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Posted 30 October 2017 - 08:25 PM

Also back when things were far more balanced; Lee was living proof that being born a "natural genius" and simply having the Sharingan does not automatically hand Sasuke the win, resulting in Sasuke getting his rear effortlessly handed to him.

Same against Bee; Sasuke had the Mangekyo and was acting like he was going to be unbeatable and yet Bee effortlessly owns him even before using any of Gyuki's power.

I also want to point out that Pre-Timeskip Naruto was capable of keeping up with Sasuke even when he was using Level One of the Cursed Seal and his (then incomplete) Sharingan simultaneously in the beginning of their fight at the Valley of the End...without Kurama's chakra. If Naruto wasn't so distracted by his thoughts over Sasuke's betrayal, his motivations, etc., he probably could've ended the fight earlier before it escalated to the point where Naruto got his lungs punctured. 


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Posted 30 October 2017 - 08:28 PM

I also want to point out that Pre-Timeskip Naruto was capable of keeping up with Sasuke even when he was using Level One of the Cursed Seal and his (then incomplete) Sharingan simultaneously in the beginning of their fight at the Valley of the End...without Kurama's chakra. If Naruto wasn't so distracted by his thoughts over Sasuke's betrayal, his motivations, etc., he probably could've ended the fight earlier before it escalated to the point where Naruto got his lungs punctured. 

He wasn't willing to kill Sasuke, so he lost. Everyone lost in the end because of that, including the readers.



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Posted 30 October 2017 - 09:07 PM

While I do like reading the posts about the Saw stuff and Naruto's death or Sasuke's death and what not, I feel like...I don't know that these are not the characters we are talking about.

To me, the Real Naruto wouldn't just let Sasuke get away with doing what he wants, the Real Sakura would have gotten over him if not before the attempted murder, but definitly after. The Real Sasuke I don't think would easily be swayed into loving Sakura and so much more so easily just because "he lost a fight."

Are we to say that these characters convictions only apply when they want to apply, but other times seem to not exist at all? Even Naruto switches between "what I promised" to "it is not about the promise anymore." What a weird beat uh? All of a sudden Naruto changes to what his promises apply to and what they don't. Sasuke's convictions go from "I hate everyone except Naruto" to "I hate everyone except Naruto and especially Sakura whom I secretly love my whole life." Sakura goes from "I love Sasuke" to "I love Naruto and Sasuke" to "I only love Sasuke."

In my opinion, there is a much better way at handling it all. I may write something up later and put it up for you all to read. Let me gather my thoughts and give you a take I think what these real characters would do.


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Posted 30 October 2017 - 10:05 PM

For some reason the ending is bothering me again today. There's no other way to look at it than that Naruto lost and became a depressing bastard.



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Posted 30 October 2017 - 10:20 PM

Those pairings were better for part 3, because it let a lot of cheap drama be created. It would have a lot less believable for NS to be a miserable family with a son who hated Naruto.

Haha, I agree. There’s a lot of disconnect between the each of the two pairings to exploit for cheap drama. SS with Sasuke being non-existent & NH with Hinata unwilling to speak up or challenge Naruto’s periodic absences. They just don’t work.

If NS had something like this, I’d imagine Sakura calling Naruto out on it like “How you been? What’s been going on lately? The kids miss you a bunch. How can we plan this better and work this out, together?”.

Or maybe Naruto sneaking out his office while a clone does all the work so he could see kids over at GRANDPA Kizashi’s while GRANDMA Mebuki makes riceballs and udonnnn. Or maybe even bringing to their kids to work on days that aren’t so busy, letting them color on the floor and scratch his desk with permanent markers and paint and then he joins in and oops they screwed up his desk oh well :^)

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 10:23 PM

Haha, I agree. There’s a lot of disconnect between the each of the two pairings to exploit for cheap drama. SS with Sasuke being non-existent & NH with Hinata unwilling to speak up or challenge Naruto’s periodic absences. They just don’t work.

If NS had something like this, I’d imagine Sakura calling Naruto out on it like “How you been? What’s been going on lately? The kids miss you a bunch. How can we plan this better and work this out, together?”.

Or maybe Naruto sneaking out his office while a clone does all the work so he could see kids over at GRANDPA Kizashi’s while GRANDMA Mebuki makes riceballs and udonnnn. Or maybe even bringing to their kids to work on days that aren’t so busy, letting them color on the floor and scratch his desk with permanent markers and paint and then he joins in and oops they screwed up his desk oh well :^)

And that is why NH fans love her.



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Posted 30 October 2017 - 10:23 PM

Sakura's parents would never have put up with the waiting for Sasuke kitten. They would have slapped the kitten out of her.



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Posted 30 October 2017 - 11:22 PM

For some reason the ending is bothering me again today. There's no other way to look at it than that Naruto lost and became a depressing bastard.


This is why Im a little glad Kishimoto-a man who doesnt have a clue on how to write women/romance and a team full of Hinata stans & otakus-didnt plan on how NS got together. Lord knows what he or any them wouldve done to them. I rather have my own headcanons for them, tyvm.

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 11:30 PM

You know what's funny, if it was put written/hinted clear as day that Naruto and Sakura would be/should be the final pairing then I personally might have rooted for tenten.

She doesn't get much love imo and I actually think she's the most attractive lol

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 11:33 PM

You know what's funny, if it was put written/hinted clear as day that Naruto and Sakura would be/should be the final pairing then I personally might have rooted for tenten.
She doesn't get much love imo and I actually think she's the most attractive lol

Tenten is an infinitely better character than Hinata (who is definitely the worst manga character of all time). It's no wonder Naruto developed a drinking problem after NaruHina happened. :lmao:

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 12:05 AM

He ALWAYS TRIES TO SAVE HIS LOVER WITH TALK-NO-JUTSU!! :lmao: Do yo want to reread the manga and count? :zaru:
It happened in all of part II :thumb: 
 
 

 
Not for lack of trying though am I right? :hehehe: Besides, don't YOU want to see Naruto's  a**pulls fail for once on a REAL Psychopathic killer that doesn't give 2 kittens on what he says, and not those BS "tragic monsters" with "forced down our throats sob  back stories"? :kukuku:

That would be cool to see if I didn't know the outcome, it's like Naruto doing that to joker, Freddy, Michael, pinhead, chucky and you'd get the same result only probably worse especially if pinhead shows up.

And that is why NH fans love her.

Think if galatcus showed up looking for a new Herald and goes after naruto but sees the pathetic mess he is and Sakura beats his current Herald when no one else could and galactus makes sakura he's new Herald making her so powerful and she tests her new power on hinata and sasuke.

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 12:05 AM

Tenten is an infinitely better character than Hinata (who is definitely the worst manga character of all time). It's no wonder Naruto developed a drinking problem after NaruHina happened. :lmao:

Poor Drunkuto. :sweat:


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Posted 31 October 2017 - 12:06 AM

Poor Drunkuto. :sweat:

Only good thing about that is I can use linkara's drunk to you voice for naruto.

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 12:10 AM

You know what's funny, if it was put written/hinted clear as day that Naruto and Sakura would be/should be the final pairing then I personally might have rooted for tenten.

She doesn't get much love imo and I actually think she's the most attractive lol


Tenten and Temari are underrated. They're pretty popular though, back in the days.

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 12:15 AM

Think if galatcus showed up looking for a new Herald and goes after naruto but sees the pathetic mess he is and Sakura beats his current Herald when no one else could and galactus makes sakura he's new Herald making her so powerful and she tests her new power on hinata and sasuke.

 

which Herald we talking about. The only one she may have a slim chance with is Terrax. Very slim chance.


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Posted 31 October 2017 - 06:39 AM

I also want to point out that Pre-Timeskip Naruto was capable of keeping up with Sasuke even when he was using Level One of the Cursed Seal and his (then incomplete) Sharingan simultaneously in the beginning of their fight at the Valley of the End...without Kurama's chakra. If Naruto wasn't so distracted by his thoughts over Sasuke's betrayal, his motivations, etc., he probably could've ended the fight earlier before it escalated to the point where Naruto got his lungs punctured. 

 

 

He wasn't willing to kill Sasuke, so he lost. Everyone lost in the end because of that, including the readers.

 

Maybe a sign of things going wrong was actually there...

"I'll bring you back even if I have to break every bone in your body!"

*proceeds to hold back, even when Sasuke shows several times how dangerous and serious he is*
 

You know what's funny, if it was put written/hinted clear as day that Naruto and Sakura would be/should be the final pairing then I personally might have rooted for tenten.

She doesn't get much love imo and I actually think she's the most attractive lol

Heck, I prefer virtually every other girl over Hinata, primarily because they have actual personalities.


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Posted 31 October 2017 - 08:00 AM

Sasuke was a villain for most of the story. Bad things should happen to the villain.

I was watching this video and the last few minutes (12 minute mark) struck a chord with me. Terry Brooks talks about the aftermath of a transgression. He says, "You do something wrong, then again and again till you are so far gone, that you have no shot at redemption. Yet there are people who say "I found God" or "My wife forgave me. 

 

Feels like a direct shot at Kishi's writing.


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Posted 31 October 2017 - 09:26 AM

which Herald we talking about. The only one she may have a slim chance with is Terrax. Very slim chance.


I'm going off an hulk and the agents of smash episode where she-hulk was made galactus Herald after she beat terrax, well let's just say for this situation she beats him and is made galactus herlad.

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 01:06 PM

Possible, but by that time. No one will really care.

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Nah I don't he'd care enough to try. It wouldn't matter much if he did anyways..

I think there would still be some old readers of the manga that would still be interested if Kishimoto said such thing after several years.
 

Is it true? Any latest interviews that negates the ending? I'm not sure and frankly, if there is such thing, I doubt old fans would really care.

Regardless, I think it will not be a smart move for Kishimoto to undo NH/SS. The damage has been done and it is impossible to bring back his loyal fans that brought large financial support to his work (i.e. fans who enjoy a good story telling, NS fans included).

Whatever he plan to do next, he should not belittle his remaining fans anymore (NH/SS --the minority who supports his work financially). Yes, he made absurd comments about NS fandom during the heyday of this manga ending. What he got afterwards (i.e. NS fans leaving him behind) is a consequence to his own action. However, it should just stop there.

If he ever work on Naruto again, he'd need to start from the beginning and gain the loyalty of his readers the same way he gain loyalty from NS fans in the past 15 years before the ending. I'm not sure how it'll work, so good luck to him (note: I sincerely mean it).

Original Naruto manga went through ups and downs in the past 15 years of its run in terms of story telling. There were some periods where the story quality stalled or declined, but Kishi was lucky there are loyal fans (NS fandom included) who support him financially as far as manga goes.

Look at Gaiden and where it stood. Look at Volume 1 of Boruto manga, and subsequently Volume 2 and 3.

If I'm the analyst at the production house, the moment I see key indicators went down after Volume 64 of the original run, I'd flag out immediately. Look at the historical figures before Volume 64 vs Volume 64 onward. The decline warrants serious evaluation in the way the story was being produced. The rest is history. They all learn the lessons in the hardest way possible (i.e. fans leaving the series and we don't know whether they've reached rock bottom). All thanks to choosing to the loud minority instead of being consistent with the established story structure.

I don't think he'll undo NH and SS cause, like you said, the damage has been done. The result had hit and the majority don't care much after several years later from now.

Yup. There are interviews that show the weak decisions he made regarding pairings. I don't have the links. I've read the interviews from links a while ago here in the forums. Maybe any person here would give us one of the links if they want to after reading this post.

For example, he said he felt pity for Hinata which is why he got her together with Naruto, he said about SS that it's toxic, and he said about The Last that it wasn't his idea and the love shown in the movie.

At the end of the day, it's clear as the noon day sun, and what every true Naruto fan think, that he never planned any of this anytime earlier in the manga, and that NS was the intended pairing on the route to become canon like it's shown in the manga which NS's route was also the known process that most manga do with their canon pairings.


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Posted 31 October 2017 - 01:48 PM

I didn't even know what a tsundere was or that it was even a thing until I read on virtually every corner and space of the internet that Sakura was a tsundere.

It was actually kinda weird how much it was stated that Sakura is a tsundere, it was even written on my bathroom wall...




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