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[Kagomaru]

Almost correct, except it was falsely advertised as a Team Seven movie.

[Moon_Girl]

If I recall correctly, didn't they falsely advertise "The Last" as a NS movie but then secretly changed Sakura to Hinata? I remember people talking about a huge outcry in Japan at the time over something along those lines. People went to the theaters expecting to see Naruto and Sakura, then saw it was Naruto and Hinata. A lot of people just stood up and left the movie, but they weren't allowed refunds. 

 

If I'm remembering this correctly, that's some shady business from SP and would answer why "The Last" sold better than "RtN." But it's possible I'm just misremembering since its been basically a decade. 

It was more a team seven movie. But they did hint NaruSaku. I remember someone (idk if it was a staff member or someone who was talking about it in a Japanese show) said "Sakura has become very beautiful. Surely Naruto..." Something along those lines.
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But yes, Sasuke and Kakashi were shown in the earliest trailers before we knew anything about it and the pre-orders came with Naruto and Kakashi themed bonuses. As trailers continued to come out and it became clear it was Hinata focused, people wanted refunds and were denied.
 

 

 

The Last premiered in december

The entire Japan already knew the manga ending and the Final Pairings.

But the trailers just showed Sasuke/Kakashi as if they were main character. Kishimoto himself said the movie was a Chapter 699.5 and was important to the manga. So everybody were expecting Sasuke, Sakura, SS, Kakashi and Team 7  in this movie. Not just a Hinata love story.

Road to Ninja have a similar problem at the time with the massive Sasuke, SS/NH advertisement from Traillers and the own Kishimoto who drawn some covers. Of course the entire Sasuke/SS/NH fandom back in the day destroyed RtN.

 

Boruto Movie didn't have this problem because Sasuke at the first time was the Main Character of the movie, no false pairing/character advertisement and the traillers were honest.

A lot of people were also hoping that the Last would be different. People were hoping ch 700 would be an infinite tsukiyomi thing and the Last would clear it all up and give the true ending. That's how bad people were taken aback by the ending.
But a lot of people ended up going to see the Last because once the trailers revealed it would be a Hinata centric movie, people tried to get refunds but were denied. So some went to see anyways. Some didn't think ch 700 was too bad until they saw the movie.
All I know is that a lot of people bailed the theater before the end and there was a ton of Hinata hatred in Japan. 2ch had like 2 or 3 Anti-Hinata threads going on at once. You had Japanese fans calling Naruto the 'ultimate scumbag' and such.

 

Studio Pierrot's refusal for refunds (most people bought tickets when the early trailers seemed team 7 focused and even the preorder bonuses were Naruto and Kakashi focused) is where their bloated sales come from. I remember that on Yahoo movies.jp, horrible reviews were flooding in to the Last's review page. It would have gotten 2 stars (out of five) or below if Studio Pierrot hadn't started going on full damage control and buying false reviews to try and save the ratings.

RtN had a much better and more natural rating and was well received. But the NH/SS centric trailers did hurt it. Studio Pierrot just couldn't stomach the fact that the Japanese fanbase couldn't have cared less about Hinata. SS was very popular with the girls (for some unholy reason I will never understand why. All I can think of is self inserting themselves with Sakura so they can enjoy UwU hawt emo boi) but that alone couldn't save it. Out of the big three, NH was at the absolute bottom.

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Not many people have respect for NH or Hinata these days except for a very loud extreme fandom. Probably the same as the old days. Sasuke and Sakura seem to the the new stars in the fandom. Nobody really cares for Burrito his mop sister and Hinatatas.

The Naruto 99 polls has Sakura at #3 and her fight with Sasori winning best fight. Hinatata was #10 for the character list.

I bet the series would be doing much better if the Studio Pierrot's staff could have controlled their horniness over the wet incel dream that is Hinatata.
Big boobed, has no personality or interests outside of you, shy and meek, won't talk back, pretty, puts you over literally everything else, including your own children, will be a good little housewife, quiet and obedient. That is Hinata.
And studio pierrot trying to make her like Sakura/Kushina did not help her popularity.

The fandom has been pretty much giving the proverbial finger to Kishimoto and Hinata and her stans. Sakura is still the most popular and beloved between the two. Her merch sells out long before Hinata's I saw a JP user on Twitter mention. But despite the fans being loud and clear about who they love the most, there's still Hinata bias and she gets shoved everywhere.
Apparently one cafe in Japan celebrates Hinata's birthday but not Sakura's. 

It's so weird and messed up.

[Therece]

 That's how bad people were taken aback by the ending.
But a lot of people ended up going to see the Last because once the trailers revealed it would be a Hinata centric movie, people tried to get refunds but were denied. So some went to see anyways. Some didn't think ch 700 was too bad until they saw the movie.
All I know is that a lot of people bailed the theater before the end and there was a ton of Hinata hatred in Japan. 2ch had like 2 or 3 Anti-Hinata threads going on at once. You had Japanese fans calling Naruto the 'ultimate scumbag' and such.

 

 

I don't think japonese Fandom Hates Hinata. She is a cute and harmless secondary character. They simply doens't care about her and felt deceived with The Last false advertisement.

Everybody was expecting a Team 7 centric Movie finally with Sasuke back. Not a Hinata love story.

Hinata was really more popular than Sakura second their official and Internal polls back in 2010 - 2013 period.

Kishimoto was well aware that confession and Kage Summit Arc basically nuked Sakura's popularity and NaruSaku. He even said his editors told to him Sakura  wasn't popular at the time. 

 

 

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Even the OOC psycho Sasuke just dropped down one single Ranking in his popularity while Sakura was behind every secondary character and tied with Sai out of the TOP 10. This arc made neutral/casual fans hates NaruSaku and prefer NH.  You still have SS who dislikes NS too and remained the most popular hetero couple in fandom.

 

 

RtN had a much better and more natural rating and was well received. But the NH/SS centric trailers did hurt it. Studio Pierrot just couldn't stomach the fact that the Japanese fanbase couldn't have cared less about Hinata. SS was very popular with the girls (for some unholy reason I will never understand why. All I can think of is self inserting themselves with Sakura so they can enjoy UwU hawt emo boi) but that alone couldn't save it. Out of the big three, NH was at the absolute bottom.

Not many people have respect for NH or Hinata these days except for a very loud extreme fandom. Probably the same as the old days. Sasuke and Sakura seem to the the new stars in the fandom. Nobody really cares for Burrito his mop sister and Hinatatas.

The Naruto 99 polls has Sakura at #3 and her fight with Sasori winning best fight. Hinatata was #10 for the character list.

I bet the series would be doing much better if the Studio Pierrot's staff could have controlled their horniness over the wet incel dream that is Hinatata.
Big boobed, has no personality or interests outside of you, shy and meek, won't talk back, pretty, puts you over literally everything else, including your own children, will be a good little housewife, quiet and obedient. That is Hinata.
And studio pierrot trying to make her like Sakura/Kushina did not help her popularity. 

The fandom has been pretty much giving the proverbial finger to Kishimoto and Hinata and her stans. Sakura is still the most popular and beloved between the two. Her merch sells out long before Hinata's I saw a JP user on Twitter mention. But despite the fans being loud and clear about who they love the most, there's still Hinata bias and she gets shoved everywhere.
Apparently one cafe in Japan celebrates Hinata's birthday but not Sakura's. 

 

 

After 2014 Sakura massively increased her popularity for several reasons

 

1- Sakura gained positive active role in the War Arc/Sarada Gaiden.

2 - SS Canon and Sarada as the biggest event of the manga ending and SS fandom  grown bigger and famous than ever before. Just NaruHina/Hinata fandom as only Rival.

 

3- Half of the NaruHina fandom are just  males who likes Hinata's boobs and doesn't care to support the pairing online or Hinata. Probably a significant porcentage of NH fandom in the old times were just SS fans.
SasuSaku fans loved to use Hinata as backup argument against NaruSaku.

The SS fandom simply dropped NH after the ending.

 

4 - Sakura isn't traped in a silly love triangle, NaruSaku wasn't a threat to Hinata/NH anymore and

Sakura lost half of her Haters aside some incels.

 

5 -  Naruto/Hinata is boring and there's nothing to work on them. The Last simply finished NH.

6 - Sakura/Sasuke is much more interesting and have a lot of room to develop and blank periods to fix them. There's no surprise why people wants to know much more about Sakura and Uchiha Family than Hinata's boring family.

 

Internal  polls for merch already showed SS/Sakura destroying Hinata/NH in Japan. Sakura have much more merch, sold out products, spin off and events in Japan than Hinata ever dreammed.

The global poll only confirmed that.  Now Sasuke/Sarada/Sakura are the few things worth of attention/merchandising in Boruto Era with a big active fanbase with potential  to bring some old readers back.

 

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Funny enough Hinata only managed to enter in global TOP 10 thanks the american continent.

Hinata is only popular in the West.

 

But even in america Sakura destroyed Hinata in popularity. In Japan Hinata was out of the top 15.

Edited by Therece, 21 April 2023 - 07:07 PM.

[Moon_Girl]

Please don't spam this forum with cancer pictures. Thanks.

I already said it, yeah SS was very popular in Japan. I'm very well aware of that fact. Mostly by girls who self insert as Sakura because they like Sasuke. So naturally Sakura's popularity boomed with it. It doesn't change the fact that SS is a horrible and abusive ship that they had to retcon Sasuke into suddenly caring about Sakura romantically after stating over and over how much he didn't like her in that way. And then a post Naruto ending novel basically stating that Sasuke only got with her because Sakura wouldn't stop nagging him.


Hinata, pre-ending, no one really cared about except her fanatical fandom in the West. Yeah people found her cute but they didn't care about her much. It was post-the last that she suddenly became one of the most hated characters. As I mentioned, 2ch, basically the Japanese mother of 4chan, had 2-3 active anti-hintata threads going on at once. Naruto fans grew to hate her.
I personally went from indifference to hatred because of the western fandom. 
And considering the western fandom is one of the reasons why she was suddenly shoved into the spotlight, I guess my hatred is valid.

In any case, Naruto, post ending, lost like 80% of its fandom. Only people left are people who, for some reason, like Burrito, people who still like Naruto pre ending and shippers. Most people consider Burrito to be pretty horrible. Even people who liked the Naruto ending.
 

Edited by Moon_Girl, 21 April 2023 - 02:36 AM.

[RedFaction]

I could careless about popularity. It is about quality and even NH beats SS in that department in spades.

It has been explained in detail enough so I'll keep it short. But SS is one of the worst relationships written in any media and it doesn't make Sasuke or Sakura and especially the fandom that remains look any better if their relationship is what makes the two of them more popular.

[Therece]

I could careless about popularity. It is about quality and even NH beats SS in that department in spades.
 

Exactly.
With a Simply Forehead Poke/Sarada, gaiden and some novels. Sakura/SS become  popular like never before.

Kishimoto and Jump is seeing that SS/Sakura part of the fandom always was much more bigger than the small western louder Hinata/NH part...

They will have to try to please SS and Sakura fans at this moment and ignore the kitten NH.

 

Now with SS/Sakura popularity 100% confirmed worldwide and especially in Japan, where both Sasuke/Sakura are in TOP5 and together they become much more popular than the current TOP 1 character who died 15 years ago and have no future in the franchise: Itachi.

 

They have much more room to produce "quality" material showing  SS improvement and development to milk their fans. Hardly this will save the franchise, unless Kishimoto comes backs to make himself a SS story (Like Gaiden) or another thing. But it's a good start. 

(Ikemoto is already forcing Sarada more in the story with her Mangekyo Sharingan. and probably Sakura will appear soon to train and give a Byakugou to Sarada)

Sarada is their best bet for Uchiha Clan/Sakura/Sasuke/SS original fanbases in Boruto Manga now.

Edited by Therece, 24 April 2023 - 08:31 PM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Lol I think we all know who Narutos true love was say it with me everyone.

SASUKE!!!!!

[Dalton.T.R]

Naruto X Ramen was the best pairing. All other arguments are invalid and blatantly untrue. 

[Moon_Girl]

The fact that toxic and abusive relationships get romanticized at all is extremely cringe and disgusting. I don't really have much respect for people who ship pairings like those. 

But it's sad that Sasuke and Sakura ended up outshining the main character, Naruto, in the end. Honestly, if Naruto and Sakura got together that wouldn't have happened and all three would have been equally popular.   
People still love Naruto, sure. But he kind of has taken a side seat to his OG teammates. It doesn't help that a lot of people, even those who liked the ending, thinks Burrito is trash. The series got a breath of fresh air for a spin-off manga about Sasuke and it includes Sakura and SS moments. People on twitter wouldn't shut up about the spin off for a while.
Except despite being written by a woman who is obvious a SS fan, she still wrote Sakura poorly. She had her trip over a rock and have Sasuke catch her, she had Sakura cry about how pathetic and useless she is.

Like c'mon.   We love bad@$$ Sakura. Not ditzy love interest Sakura. It's so sad that people like a self-depreciating Sakura over an upbeat and confident Sakura. She had her moments in shippuden but when she was with Naruto, she was motivated and strong and often helping Naruto up when he was down too. They supported each other and had beautiful chemistry. They were equals that uplifted each other with and without words. Made each other stronger. The ultimate power couple. It's really, really tragic that people prefer what was an almost perfect relationship to a toxic one that derailed character development and straight up twisted and changed characters at their core.

We're close to 10 years since the ending and I'm still as angry about it as I was when it was first revealed. Kishimoto will never have my support again and I'll never stop telling people why the ending is so awful. I've already shown people why the ending is so messed up and they find it hard to enjoy Naruto anymore because of it. All that background meddling from Studio Pierrot and Kishimoto's new editors and Kishimoto's lack of backbone should cost them dearly. I will be that petty person.
They cost me 10+ years of time, peace of mind and money, after all. I hate using the word 'triggered' with a passion but seeing Hinatata's, NH, Burrito and SS really triggers me because of how hard the ending hit me. It's been very hard to get over. I don't know why. But it has.

[Therece]

It doesn't help that a lot of people, even those who liked the ending, thinks Burrito is trash. The series got a breath of fresh air for a spin-off manga about Sasuke and it includes Sakura and SS moments. People on twitter wouldn't shut up about the spin off for a while
They cost me 10+ years of time, peace of mind and money, after all. I hate using the word 'triggered' with a passion but seeing Hinatata's, NH, Burrito and SS really triggers me because of how hard the ending hit me. It's been very hard to get over. I don't know why. But it has.

 

 

 NH fandom is dying and hates Borutos as well. NH doesn't have a single content, The Last ruined them in Japan and Naruto/Hinata are just ignored in Boruto.  No wonder why Sasuke/Sakura are much more famous now.

 

 

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SS/Sakura fandom is still big and strong because they were the stars of the manga ending and lives in their Fanarts, Fics and shoujo novels universe and  some fanservices in anime where  Sakura is a top kunoichi who trains Sarada and runs the Konoha hospital. They totally ignores Boruto manga like 90% of the original Naruto fanbases...

 

 

You know Boruto is bad when the own  NH people wants Boruto  canceled or ignored like Dragon Ball GT. .Even the Fandom who should like the new Manga with focus on NH Son and family, hates Boruto.

Boruto is killing the series and even the Pro Ending fandoms.

 

 

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That why i think a NS ending wouldn't turn Boruto any better. Maybe just a happy sensation and revenge against SS/NH after the pairing wars. But NS  would be in the same situation as NH in Boruto era with Ikemoto as a Writter. Sakura being ignored with a brat son and now unconscious in a random dimension with blocks.

Sakura end up alone is better than  Boruto manga or the shoujo fantasy with SS. But Sakura's fandom and her merch/novels would be practically pretty much dead now without Sasuke and Sarada.

 

 

he had her moments in shippuden but when she was with Naruto, she was motivated and strong and often helping Naruto up when he was down too. They supported each other and had beautiful chemistry. They were equals that uplifted each other with and without words. Made each other stronger. The ultimate power couple. It's really, really tragic that people prefer what was an almost perfect relationship to a toxic one that derailed character development and straight up twisted and changed characters at their core.

 

SS fans coundn't care less about Hinata "winning" Naruto. 

It's sad but most of girls considers Sasuke much more interesting than Naruto and Japonese people identify much more with Sasuke and Uchiha Clan than with Naruto and his generic Hokage dream.
There's no coincidence why Sasuke was the top 1, Boruto almost ruined him and now Itachi is in his place.

 

 

NaruSaku wasn't so much popular in Japan compared to SasuSaku. Sakura's confession basically nuked NaruSaku among non Shippers and fandom. I guess Kishimoto intention was to show a more mature Naruto who only will accept Sakura after she truly proved her love to him. Probably Kishi intended NaruSaku before Kage Summit.  But the fake confession shot backfired againt him and Sakura.

Sakura was really hated for various reasons at the time.
She was abadoning Sasuke, trying to manipulate Naruto into abandon Sasuke and  ignoring Hinata's feeling who sacrificed her life to Naruto not so long ago.
Japonese non Shippers and Shippers really didn't see so much problem with Sasuke/Sakura trying to kill each other give the story context compared to that poor confession. Hinata becomed more popular than Sakura.

You had this scenario between the "big three" at the time

SasuSaku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NaruSaku>>>>>>>>NaruHina

 

After Sakura's and Hinata confession

SasuSaku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NaruHina>>>>>>>>>>>NaruSaku

with both SS/NH being sister shippers against NS.

 

So Kishimoto and Editors thought  more easy choose the popular route with SS/NH

So he could make both SS Japonese and NH/SS Western shippers fandoms happy. He probably decided that around chapter 540 when he showed Sakura rejecting a love letter because of Sasuke and Hinata thiking in Naruto. The conclusion was easy compared to NS:
Sasuke finally coming back to Sakura like a sorry ass dog  and Sakura waiting for him more passionate than ever. SasuSaku already was very popular and had the entire part 1.

Kishimoto let to Pierrot explain NH transforming Naruto's feelings to Sakura into a joke and moving on to Hinata, between that he made the Kushina-Sakura red Herring  to keep the love triangle/pairing wars still alive and troll a little more.

Edited by Therece, 25 April 2023 - 06:16 AM.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

I don't want NS to happen after all this because I want NS to be part of a good story. 

[Phantom_999]

Ditto. I rather no NS at all than a NS canon done badly or at the expense of the story. Naruto could divorce Hinata and marry Sakura at this point I wouldn't give a kitten's shake about it. They've wasted my time, and I'm done wasting my money on this franchise. Even a reboot would not get me back into it at this point because that is only admitting that they effed up and are desperately money grubbing and I want no part of it.

Edited by Phantom_999, 19 June 2023 - 06:31 PM.

[Kagomaru]

Ditto. I rather no NS at all than a NS canon done badly or at the expense of the story. Naruto could divorce Hinata and marry Sakura at this point I  wouldn't give a kitten's shake about it. They've wasted my time, and I'm done wasting my money on this franchise. Even a reboot would not get me back into it at this point because that is only admitting that they effed up and are desperately money grubbing and I want no part of it.

These are my sentiments exactly. They burned all bridges of reconciliation a decade ago and they've only continued to double down on their decisions since.  It's funny because a similar situation is going with RWBY and it looks like it's on the verge of being shelved by WB, all because the writers can't stand legitimate criticism and allowed a loud minority in the fandom to bully them into canonizing a fanon ship. (Sound familiar?)

Edited by Kagomaru, 23 April 2023 - 05:10 PM.

[LuckyChi7]

I don't want NS to happen after all this because I want NS to be part of a good story. 

 

 

Honestly, I'm of the same mind set with the rate things are currently going in the fandom and recent developments in the story.    I'm honestly glad that NaruSaku didn't become canon. 

 

 

Fanom is obviously one of the best things about our community because we know how the characters truly are, the development, and everything.  

[VanitasDS76491]

I don't want NS to happen after all this because I want NS to be part of a good story. 

same i make my own ns canon cause them being canon now would mean nothing and have no impact

 

These are my sentiments exactly. They burned all bridges of reconciliation a decade ago and they've only continued to double down on their decisions since.  It's funny because a similar situation is going with RWBY and it looks like it's on the verge of being shelved by WB, all because the writers can't stand legitimate criticism and allowed a loud minority in the fandom to bully them into canonizing a fanon ship. (Sound familiar?)

at least they did yang and blake better than nh plus Monty said romance has to be earned 

[totherpage95]

Something i noticed at the recent sakura matsuri in dc was that there was some popularity for naruto's orange adult outfit with his long hair which is something I'm pretty sure only is a fan design so I get the feeling at least some naruto fans reject how naruto's canon adult hair looks

[Phantom_999]

The short hair is just awful to look at. That's all I'm saying.

[VanitasDS76491]

Something i noticed at the recent sakura matsuri in dc was that there was some popularity for naruto's orange adult outfit with his long hair which is something I'm pretty sure only is a fan design so I get the feeling at least some naruto fans reject how naruto's canon adult hair looks

the hair on canon naruto is god awful though some how ichigo's end look was way better

 

The short hair is just awful to look at. That's all I'm saying.

agreed it's to short

[BlueStarSaber]

It's still much better than everything that Ikemoto created in his Boruto manga who ruined Sasuke/Naruto popularity and the sales as well.
 
 
Anyway aside the bad writing in Kage Summit Arc to the entire Team 7.
In my opinion this is the Arc who made Kishimoto seriously consider to remove NaruSaku from his final plans thanks to his stupid strategy. Same thing happened in Sarada Gaiden when in less than two weeks he confirmed Sakura-Sarada are biological mother-daughter and turned the Karin thing a red herring.
But NS never was a red herring.
 
He had some type of plan for NaruSaku until he went full retarded adding a fourth element in the love triangle thing with Hinata's confession
Sakura received a lot of hate and backlash with her confession to Naruto, including in JAPAN. The place who loved Sakura the most. (Unlike the Sakura's ending when two SasuSaku scenes were ranked as the best TOP 5 shippuuden moments and everybody got angry with the simply insinuating that Sarada wasn't Sakura's daughter.)
 
The fact that Sakura's confession was after Hinata's "pure" confession only made the situation worst for Kishimoto and NaruSaku.  Sakura was abandoning Sasuke, lying/manipulate Naruto and still ignoring Hinata's feelings.  Kishimoto was questioned a lot of times what he wanted to achieve with that stupid second confession and the third in manga.  Probably the editors just told him to forget NS since this could generate even more backlash against Sakura and him from audience and SS/NH fans.
 
Thats why he said in a interview, he would make Sakura a bad woman for abandoning Sasuke. Now seeing Sakura popular like never before as "Mrs uchiha" with much more room to develop SS/Sakura/Sasuke, milk their fans and still try to revive some part of the franchise..
Kishimoto is now certain that was the best choice.    :

 

Quite a few things you said I want to adress just haven't had time to say until now.

That's not saying much stories like retusden may not be as bad as boruto with its cyborgs and its still bad and stupid for its cringe romance and dinosaur plotline. Plus retsuden sales have not shown any signs to recover that popularity or sales.

Yeah I'm not convinced kishimoto was considering to heavily to remove narusaku as canon at this point, given how kushina and her relationship to minato was very familiar to how sakura was to naruto. Plus chapter 663 was title the real end implying ns and sk was what he wanted to do.

Earliest I can say was around 540 with that letter she got, though ss wasn't portrayed in a positive light there despite what the fandom might think. Other than that around the time the last went into production.

Same with gaiden, given how it was a tie in to the upcoming boruto movie, I'm not fully convinced production was done weekly while ongoing and the last chapter was probably made before the huge backlash by the meltdown reaction from the ss fans.

Well we at least agree on that, despite kishimoto's damage controled interviews saying otherwise. Frankly I blame the editors for that one, given he didn't think much of hinata and that iruka would of been more impactful in that situation.

What the forehead poke and the rescue scene they hardly make up for the baggage of every other moment those two had in part 2.

Just because the narusaku confession was controversial doesn't mean that narusaku should of been considered out for the count. Its not Sakura's fault that naruto never responded to the confession hinata made in her selfish moment.

As for whether or not she multiplied naruto frankly I think she was being honest of loving naruto whether she realised it or not, the only part she was lying was not caring about sasuke which she still does at the time. Heck kishimoto said he was portraying an honest girl in that confession with the naruto part.

Th only problem is that it never had a follow-up to the confession where it makes it clear that she does indeed love naruto and is not mutilating him and that while it's clear she does still cares about sasuke just not in a romantic.

Though regardless of how how controversial the confession is, it is nowhere near as bad as sasuke's murder attempts on sakura. Which should of been the end of the ship and frankly her not fighting back I think did alot more damage to her reputation.

This of course was probably ruined by the editors agenda for hinata which eventually they got to kishimoto by the time of the list's production and his father passing. But given his wife's reaction I doubt narusaku was considered dead after the confession.

What he said in that interview was disgusting and double standard about girls can't move on from their crushes buy guys cab and feels more like cheap damage control to the mess of the canon couples he did.

It was the wrong decision to make to make sakura Mrs uhchia and not everyone who voted for sakura in that popularity poll did because they were ss shippers and would rather see stuff like tsunade's training of her. And all ss has shown in manga sales is half of what boruto does on average last I checked.

 

 
 
The fact remains the same no matter who some of you try to ignore data.

NS wasn't so much profitable compared to SS/NH when you consider the only novel focused in NS relationship that was Road to Ninja, not even the Movie/Novel was enough to save NaruSaku popularity at the time from the fiasco Kage Summit Arc and the huge backlash Sakura received in Japan. Maybe this was decisive to Kishimoto/Editors kill NS at the end.

Replace Hinata with Sakura as Naruto's housewife and Boruto's series is still kitten.
Sakura is popular like never before both worldwide and in Japan even without  the NS fandom who died, disbanded or even hates Sakura after the manga ending.

Even as old NS sympatizer, I'm not desilusional. But if some of you still wants to live inside a NaruSaku bubble in this forum, Makes really no differences.

 

One thing I think you didn't consider to account in terms of novel sales pre the ending and post ending is that all the novels before the ending are adaptions of non canon stories to the franchise.

Which as I belived Namaenashhas said were probably limited in how many they were selling. As most fans who weren't die hard probably did not want to buy novels of movies that weren't canon regardless of which ships they were portraying.

Novels and movies post ending are considered to be canon so they are more likely to attract higher sales because they are being promoted to fans as important to understand what's going on at the time, so they are more naturally going to get more sales regardless of who is canon.

The fact that now the sales of these canon stories have gone into such a decline that they barley just above non canon novel sales from over a decade ago isn't that impressive.

No one is saying we want sakura to replace hinata's role in boruto and the story would be good. Frankly I doubt we would of gotten boruto, because that series was written with nh and ss in mind not narusaku which would require different dynamics.

Not everyone who voted for sakura was an ss shipper, you had genreal fans, multi shippers, ns fans, female fans in general and anti ss sakura fan voting for her for various reasons. Also most narusaku fans don't hate sakura they just hate how she is written with sasuke.

Frankly it's sometimes hard to tell if you were a old ns sympatizer, because you keep insisting that narusaku would never be popular and that only ss can make sakura popular. When that was what made her so hated in the first place. I'm pretty sure everyone is aware that currently most sakura fans active right now are ss fans because of the current canon timeline, but that does not mean we think its good or that successful long term for the series or character.

 

I don't think japonese Fandom Hates Hinata. She is a cute and harmless secondary character. They simply doens't care about her and felt deceived with The Last false advertisement.
Everybody was expecting a Team 7 centric Movie finally with Sasuke back. Not a Hinata love story.
Hinata was really more popular than Sakura second their official and Internal polls back in 2010 - 2013 period.
Kishimoto was well aware that confession and Kage Summit Arc basically nuked Sakura's popularity and NaruSaku. He even said his editors told to him Sakura  wasn't popular at the time. 
 
 
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Even the OOC psycho Sasuke just dropped down one single Ranking in his popularity while Sakura was behind every secondary character and tied with Sai out of the TOP 10. This arc made neutral/casual fans hates NaruSaku and prefer NH.  You still have SS who dislikes NS too and remained the most popular hetero couple in fandom.
 
 
After 2014 Sakura massively increased her popularity for several reasons

 
1- Sakura gained positive active role in the War Arc/Sarada Gaiden.
2 - SS Canon and Sarada as the biggest event of the manga ending and SS fandom  grown bigger and famous than ever before. Just NaruHina/Hinata fandom as only Rival.

 
3- Half of the NaruHina fandom are just  males who likes Hinata's boobs and doesn't care to support the pairing online or Hinata. Probably a significant porcentage of NH fandom in the old times were just SS fans.
SasuSaku fans loved to use Hinata as backup argument against NaruSaku.
The SS fandom simply dropped NH after the ending.
 
4 - Sakura isn't traped in a silly love triangle, NaruSaku wasn't a threat to Hinata/NH anymore and
Sakura lost half of her Haters aside some incels.
 
5 -  Naruto/Hinata is boring and there's nothing to work on them. The Last simply finished NH.
6 - Sakura/Sasuke is much more interesting and have a lot of room to develop and blank periods to fix them. There's no surprise why people wants to know much more about Sakura and Uchiha Family than Hinata's boring family.
 
Internal  polls for merch already showed SS/Sakura destroying Hinata/NH in Japan. Sakura have much more merch, sold out products, spin off and events in Japan than Hinata ever dreammed.
The global poll only confirmed that.  Now Sasuke/Sarada/Sakura are the few things worth of attention/merchandising in Boruto Era with a big active fanbase with potential  to bring some old readers back.
 

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Funny enough Hinata only managed to enter in global TOP 10 thanks the american continent.

Hinata is only popular in the West.
 
But even in america Sakura destroyed Hinata in popularity. In Japan Hinata was out of the top 15.

Actually many of them were not that happy with her being the centre of the movie, replacing sakura and being the main reason neji died.

https://chatte-georg...arity-neji-hyu/

https://movies.yahoo...er_id=&sort=lrf

There was only one popularity poll in 2010 to 2013 and that was the 7 popular poll, the first one since the second arc of part 2 and frankly I don't think it was realiable to have enough data on to replace sakura with hinata.

They had a smear campaign against her that at the time. Only showing the hate and not the support she had.

Sakura sakura was in 12 place in the sixth poll as well so she remain consistent in that regard. In the west maybe, but in Japan narusaku was still regarded as the pairing expected to be canon. Plus road to ninja and the minikushi parallels gave narusaku a boast at the time.

Sakura's role in the war arc was mixed and everyone outside ss hated the ss scenes, most which were toxic like 693 which shouldnof been the final death flag for this ship. They are only talked about because they were canon otherwise I doubt they be regarded so popular.

We know that ss and nh had an unholy alliance against ns, problem is for the ss fandom by doing so undermined sakura's status as heroine and was replaced with hinata.  They pretty much helped a fandom who hated sakura undermine her.

While narusaku did not happen you have quite a fair share now saying it would of been better than nh and ss. Given the bad writing for both ships.

There is nothing interesting written about ss post ending, just bad fan fic with sakura acting like a fangirl and ignoring all the issues with that came with the ship.

While sakura merch is selling well, that still did not help sell retsuden manga volumes given how the first one only sold half the amount a bourot volume does these days last I checked.


 

Exactly.
With a Simply Forehead Poke/Sarada, gaiden and some novels. Sakura/SS become  popular like never before.
Kishimoto and Jump is seeing that SS/Sakura part of the fandom always was much more bigger than the small western louder Hinata/NH part...
They will have to try to please SS and Sakura fans at this moment and ignore the kitten NH.
 
Now with SS/Sakura popularity 100% confirmed worldwide and especially in Japan, where both Sasuke/Sakura are in TOP5 and together they become much more popular than the current TOP 1 character who died 15 years ago and have no future in the franchise: Itachi.
 
They have much more room to produce "quality" material showing  SS improvement and development to milk their fans. Hardly this will save the franchise, unless Kishimoto comes backs to make himself a SS story (Like Gaiden) or another thing. But it's a good start. 
(Ikemoto is already forcing Sarada more in the story with her Mangekyo Sharingan. and probably Sakura will appear soon to train and give a Byakugou to Sarada)
Sarada is their best bet for Uchiha Clan/Sakura/Sasuke/SS original fanbases in Boruto Manga now.

 

Those gaiden stories suck and were controversial they might of been popular with shippers, but they weren't that well received by non shippers.

Heck there was a huge backlash to when ss become canon not just ns shippers. Heck here are some reactions from Japan.

https://chatte-georg...ruto-the-movie/

Plus frankly I doubt they can ignore the nh fandom while boruto is still ongoing. Like I said before not everyone world wide voted sakura because of ss. Also in Japan there was a poll of couples they wanted broken up and ss was in there with nh reported by chruchyroll. So I dount Japan has universal popularity for ss.

https://www.crunchyr...iately-break-up


Also I don't kishimoto writing ss will do any good given his writing beforehand, Also he is not positive about the couple in his interviews. Many did not like how sadara got the ms calling it a dumb reckon on how the powers worked.

 

NH fandom is dying and hates Borutos as well. NH doesn't have a single content, The Last ruined them in Japan and Naruto/Hinata are just ignored in Boruto.  No wonder why Sasuke/Sakura are much more famous now.  

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  SS/Sakura fandom is still big and strong because they were the stars of the manga ending and lives in their Fanarts, Fics and shoujo novels universe and  some fanservices in anime where  Sakura is a top kunoichi who trains Sarada and runs the Konoha hospital. They totally ignores Boruto manga like 90% of the original Naruto fanbases...  You know Boruto is bad when the own  NH people wants Boruto  canceled or ignored like Dragon Ball GT. .Even the Fandom who should like the new Manga with focus on NH Son and family, hates Boruto.Boruto is killing the series and even the Pro Ending fandoms.  

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  That why i think a NS ending wouldn't turn Boruto any better. Maybe just a happy sensation and revenge against SS/NH after the pairing wars. But NS  would be in the same situation as NH in Boruto era with Ikemoto as a Writter. Sakura being ignored with a brat son and now unconscious in a random dimension with blocks.Sakura end up alone is better than  Boruto manga or the shoujo fantasy with SS. But Sakura's fandom and her merch/novels would be practically pretty much dead now without Sasuke and Sarada.   SS fans coundn't care less about Hinata "winning" Naruto. It's sad but most of girls considers Sasuke much more interesting than Naruto and Japonese people identify much more with Sasuke and Uchiha Clan than with Naruto and his generic Hokage dream.There's no coincidence why Sasuke was the top 1, Boruto almost ruined him and now Itachi is in his place.  NaruSaku wasn't so much popular in Japan compared to SasuSaku. Sakura's confession basically nuked NaruSaku among non Shippers and fandom. I guess Kishimoto intention was to show a more mature Naruto who only will accept Sakura after she truly proved her love to him. Probably Kishi intended NaruSaku before Kage Summit.  But the fake confession shot backfired againt him and Sakura.Sakura was really hated for various reasons at the time.She was abadoning Sasuke, trying to manipulate Naruto into abandon Sasuke and  ignoring Hinata's feeling who sacrificed her life to Naruto not so long ago.Japonese non Shippers and Shippers really didn't see so much problem with Sasuke/Sakura trying to kill each other give the story context compared to that poor confession. Hinata becomed more popular than Sakura.You had this scenario between the "big three" at the timeSasuSaku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NaruSaku>>>>>>>>NaruHina After Sakura's and Hinata confessionSasuSaku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NaruHina>>>>>>>>>>>NaruSakuwith both SS/NH being sister shippers against NS. So Kishimoto and Editors thought  more easy choose the popular route with SS/NHSo he could make both SS Japonese and NH/SS Western shippers fandoms happy. He probably decided that around chapter 540 when he showed Sakura rejecting a love letter because of Sasuke and Hinata thiking in Naruto. The conclusion was easy compared to NS:Sasuke finally coming back to Sakura like a sorry ass dog  and Sakura waiting for him more passionate than ever. SasuSaku already was very popular and had the entire part 1.Kishimoto let to Pierrot explain NH transforming Naruto's feelings to Sakura into a joke and moving on to Hinata, between that he made the Kushina-Sakura red Herring  to keep the love triangle/pairing wars still alive and troll a little more.

SS is just as ignored in boruto, heck sakura hasn't appealed in over 30 chapters, if retusden and filler wasn't a thing we wouldn't see her at all. SS wasn't even the focus of the ending if anything it was naruto and sasuke and later naruto and boruto.

Just because ss is still active doesn't mean its going to revive the series, all is happening is that they are losing half of the boruto fandom if nh shippers are dropping it and those who don't give a dang about ships.

Pretty much everyone hates it execpt for a few diehards who think the time skip will change things which I doubt it will.

We don't know how a narusaku ending or spin of series would or not do well because it didn't happen. For all we know beside getting raging raging nh and ss fans, other would of been fine with it as long as it was written well. Like I said before I have seen many non shippers say ns would of been better than ss and nh.

The boruto story is only being told as it was, because the canon set up nh and ss. A narusaku story would have to been written entirely different.

I'm pretty sure sakura would sell well regardless of who she is or isn't with, as some sakura fans only ship ss because its canon.

Just because sasuke at times is more popular than naruto, doesn't mean he should take the spotlight from him. Given how in the worldwide poll he ranked higher than sasuke. Narusaku was considered the golden paring, the couple execpted to become canon even by ss fans at the time.

Plus frankly no matter how controversial the confession scene was, it was no way near as bad as sasuke trying outright kill sakura in cold blood. You say the confession nuked narusaku, but ss should of be erased from existence from ever happening after that.

Though like I said a follow-up to the confession could of fixed that for narusaku. Her moving on from sasuke would of been way better for her character, especially after the murder attempts and him wanting to destory the leaf.

Also she was trying help naruto getting him to stop chasing sasuke because now he was regarded as a terrorist who everyone had decided to kill.

Hinata's confession was selfish and suicidal, given how all she did was say she liked naruto charged in nearly got killed, gave naruto guilt and nearly went nine tail if not for his dad.

If you have looked at the link I posted above from chatte's blog you will see that was not entirely the case with the Japan fandom. Frankly any self respecting fan should not be okay with what happened with ss regardless of context because it does not justify it.

More like the editors pushing it on kishimoto. Like I said before about, doesn't really portray ss in a positive light given how unhappy she looks, also 635 with her fake smile.

I don't care how popular they were in part 1, part 2 destoryed any chance of them reasonably being a couple. That red herring thing was just a damge control exuse, given his wife reaction.

Edited by BlueStarSaber, 26 April 2023 - 12:16 AM.

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Frankly it's sometimes hard to tell if you were a old ns sympatizer, because you keep insisting that narusaku would never be popular and that only ss can make sakura popular. When that was what made her so hated in the first place. I'm pretty sure everyone is aware that currently most sakura fans active right now are ss fans because of the current canon timeline, but that does not mean we think its good or that successful long term for the series or character.

 

 

Sakura is my favorite female character. i will like her either in a SS relationship, NS relationship or alone.

Most of the current Sakura's fans have to enjoy or at least accept SS...

 

SS didn't ruined my enjoyement with Sakura's character. Simply as that.  She is very good post ending. Even the Haters admits that and have to use the old Kage Summit Arc moments to hates on her.

NaruSaku could be more popular without that bad writing in Kage Summit Arc and the Pierrot's fanatical Hinata fans. But what is done is done. SS Fandom and the current Sakura fans finally showed how Hinata is far away to be considered  popular to Kishimoto and Pierrot.

 

About Boruto you need to change  the Mangaka and the entire plot. 

Just look the pathetic situation of NH and Hinata.

Edited by Therece, 26 April 2023 - 08:43 PM.