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#18601 Midoriko

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Posted 14 December 2014 - 05:11 PM

it was the guilt trip.

 

neji tells Naruto that hinata was willing to die for him and thus his life was not his own any more.

I appreciate the answer but I understood that scene differently but in light of this ending, it's a pity.

 

 

Yeah I agree. If Neji was really the cupid for them, then they would have hook up in the manga.

But no they still needed a full movie of bullsh** to justify they "bond of ultimate love".

I don't get it.

Kishimoto is shooting himself in the foot everyday.

 

 

 

Everyone was willing to die for Naruto. Also, Hinata already risked her life for Naruto and said to him bluntly that she was not afraid to die protecting him against Pain.

How Neji was even needed for Naruto to be aware of that ?

It's all bullsh**.

This! It's truly how I understood it.

 

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Posted 14 December 2014 - 05:21 PM

Really guys this is kittening my brain so hard. I want to shout at Kishimoto right now.


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Posted 14 December 2014 - 05:32 PM

Really guys this is kittening my brain so hard. I want to shout at Kishimoto right now.

 

No use getting worked up over this. The ones who lost more are the NH fans, the relationship between Naruto and Hinata was so stranged and distant that it needed the death of a character for it to have validation ( and still didn't work hahaha) 

 


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Posted 14 December 2014 - 06:30 PM

he needed to give a valid reason for NH being happened in readers' eyes.

 

Yes. Admitting he had to off a powerful character just to give a reason for Naruto and Hinata to interact...pretty much undoes the whole plot. No matter what comes afterwards between NH, no matter how much Kishimoto swears NH had been planned, it's clear now there is no basis for development. Neji was a plot device to end the development of NS and begin the development of NH. It only validates how strong NS was. 

 

The crazy thing is out of all these interviews supposed to be supporting the movie and future, none of it helps sell more tickets or lures new fans to the series. Every interview is damage control, damage control, damage control. 



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Posted 14 December 2014 - 07:19 PM

 

Yes. Admitting he had to off a powerful character just to give a reason for Naruto and Hinata to interact...pretty much undoes the whole plot. No matter what comes afterwards between NH, no matter how much Kishimoto swears NH had been planned, it's clear now there is no basis for development. Neji was a plot device to end the development of NS and begin the development of NH. It only validates how strong NS was. 

 

The crazy thing is out of all these interviews supposed to be supporting the movie and future, none of it helps sell more tickets or lures new fans to the series. Every interview is damage control, damage control, damage control. 

Which makes me laugh more and more saying: "If you made NS canon, you could have avoided all of this. Yeah, the NH fans would be upset, but everyone else would actually say "Yeah this is Naruto" and accept the ending as truth. Even if people may have hated what couples ended up, they couldn't downright deny there wasn't anything to support it. Here, people are calling bull left and right saying "you basically just change everything just to suit a pairing choice. What a crappy ending."


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Posted 14 December 2014 - 07:24 PM

Which makes me laugh more and more saying: "If you made NS canon, you could have avoided all of this. Yeah, the NH fans would be upset, but everyone else would actually say "Yeah this is Naruto" and accept the ending as truth. Even if people may have hated what couples ended up, they couldn't downright deny there wasn't anything to support it. Here, people are calling bull left and right saying "you basically just change everything just to suit a pairing choice. What a crappy ending."


Even after Neji's death, there were hell lot of chapters to develop NH
but he did nothing & just created 631 & 662 and 675

I really hate such writers, who for sake of trolling assassinate the plot of the movie, change it's genre & bla bla bla

Even in DB4, he didn't mention anything for NaruHina

so what was his point exactly??
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Posted 14 December 2014 - 08:48 PM

Someone said it before and I will say it again if only we had the Doctor I mean he can save us that is for sure I mean SP/Kishi are the Daleks but you know much worse.

 

God Kishi needs to be shot for this but hey I know that no one in Japan will read his work after this BD which is good enough for me, knowing that he can never live up to such better writer in history he will go down as the worse Writer ever, and that is something he will live with forever I know that it may sound nasty and all that but I hope he never get another Manga out, as it will show that Japan do not like him as a writer and he messed up.



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Posted 14 December 2014 - 09:18 PM

Someone said it before and I will say it again if only we had the Doctor I mean he can save us that is for sure I mean SP/Kishi are the Daleks but you know much worse.

 

God Kishi needs to be shot for this but hey I know that no one in Japan will read his work after this BD which is good enough for me, knowing that he can never live up to such better writer in history he will go down as the worse Writer ever, and that is something he will live with forever I know that it may sound nasty and all that but I hope he never get another Manga out, as it will show that Japan do not like him as a writer and he messed up.

 

Hey I know emotions are high, but that's no excuse to even kid around about shooting anyone.



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Posted 14 December 2014 - 10:39 PM

Believe me I think Neji was the last person to me a naruhina shipper. He hated Naruto and wanted to protect Hinata. Even when Neji and him became friends I still think the last person Neji wanted his Heiress cousin to bang was the class dumbass.
Neji doesn't support NH. Neji's death does.

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Posted 14 December 2014 - 10:40 PM

 

Hey I know emotions are high, but that's no excuse to even kid around about shooting anyone.

There's no excuses to mislead fans for 15 years

Now I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with what he said, but Kishimoto is a pathetic excuse of a human being, so I understand why people have such emotions 


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Posted 14 December 2014 - 11:02 PM

Believe me I think Neji was the last person to me a naruhina shipper. He hated Naruto and wanted to protect Hinata. Even when Neji and him became friends I still think the last person Neji wanted his Heiress cousin to bang was the class dumbass.
Neji doesn't support NH. Neji's death does.

He doesn't hate naruto. And this kishimoto we are talking about. He will retcon neji character if that mean he could justify nh.

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Posted 14 December 2014 - 11:43 PM

Which makes me laugh more and more saying: "If you made NS canon, you could have avoided all of this. Yeah, the NH fans would be upset, but everyone else would actually say "Yeah this is Naruto" and accept the ending as truth. Even if people may have hated what couples ended up, they couldn't downright deny there wasn't anything to support it. Here, people are calling bull left and right saying "you basically just change everything just to suit a pairing choice. What a crappy ending."


exactly. They would have gotten over it. Hell the last movie would have likely been a better movie considering it wouldn't be so damn cheesy and we wouldn't have to recollect a lot of the kitten that didn't happen in the manga because it would all be canon with NS. Imagine the bench scene being used as a scene that tied NS together. The actual beginning for NS and not some cheesy ass flashback that didn't even happen at all. i also find it absolutely hilarious how NH fans are basically fine with all of this. Just proves that in their eyes quality means jackkitten. Theyll take whatever Kishi throws as long as NH is endgame.

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 12:21 AM

 

Yes. Admitting he had to off a powerful character just to give a reason for Naruto and Hinata to interact...pretty much undoes the whole plot. No matter what comes afterwards between NH, no matter how much Kishimoto swears NH had been planned, it's clear now there is no basis for development. Neji was a plot device to end the development of NS and begin the development of NH. It only validates how strong NS was. 

 

The crazy thing is out of all these interviews supposed to be supporting the movie and future, none of it helps sell more tickets or lures new fans to the series. Every interview is damage control, damage control, damage control. 

 

Yeah, and all Kishimoto-sensei does really with his "damage control", Tricksie, is show how much FAIL he is made of right now for letting Studio Pierrot determine the outcome of his (I repeat HIS) works, just because they wanted to reap the rewards and all that BS. Plus the idea of killing Neji off for it is BAD. Especially since I find it a weak excuse, just like when Asuma was killed to develop Shikamaru and all Shikamaru tried to do is replace Asuma, not try to surpass him... =/



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Posted 15 December 2014 - 01:44 AM

I just can't find another example when the adorable hero becomes the worst scumbag among the fans.  Has this ever happened before that wasn't intentional?



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Posted 15 December 2014 - 02:21 AM

 

 

Here: http://trang95.tumbl...kishi-interview

 

Go to this link to see the video: http://video.fc2.com...1412144qrFcrym/

Go to this link to see the summary of the video above: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3466021866
 

I can’t confirm the translation of the summary of the video, so if you don’t believe this one, go to the website, and find your own translator.

1.When Kishimoto first created Naruto he was inspired by a roadside ramen stall, he wanted to write about a youth eating ramen. his theme is considered questionable, bujt in the end it still became serialized while under doubts.

2.The fourth’s appearance was inspired by carelessly jumbling up kiba and akamaru’s combination. and so naruto father’s image was set.

3.Before the chunnin exams, Kishimoto originally wanted to draw a few more missions, but to ask him to illustrate the whole ninjaverse at one go, kishi says it is very stressful to have to do so many characters, so he asked his assistant for help, and the assistant created Lee using reference from Jackie Chan. 

4.In Akatsuki Kishimoto’s fav is Hidan. Kishi was told that the image of Shikamaru smoking can’t possible be animated on TV, but Kishi did it anyway. He tried to make Hidan look not as intidimating


5.Kishi feel that Jiraiya’s death was spectacular, therefore if he was edo tensei, it would be hard to draw naruto’s reaction. that’s why jiraiya did not re-appear.

6.Kishi is troubled by Sakura’s popularity among the readers. While he was drawing covers, it was easy drawing naruto and sasuke, but for sakura kishi have to spend more time re-drawing and adjusting, worrying that he might draw her ugly. sakura’s family is not revealed because of popularity reasons, but hinata with low number of appearances were consistently popular with the readers, kishi once had the idea to change hinata to the heroine. 


7.he let neji die for naruto and hinata to be closer, that’s how hinata brought her daughter to visit his grave in chapter 700. naruto’s son boruto and neji is the same meaning, this is all intended early on.


8. before naruto KO enemies kishi would use several different angle shots to show the same move, this is inspired by jackie chan’s martial arts film. also when doing KO scenes kishi don’t like to draw the character faces, he feel that revealing faces will dimish the impact of the body moving and the artwork.


9.At the end when Naruto and Sasuke fight, the original intention is that they finish while holding hands, but kishi changed his mind and cut their hands, making a more gory ending.


10.When NARUTO ends, Kishi introduces next year’s movie and naruto exibition 2015, revealing that orochimaru, kabuto, and lesser characters will be re-appearing in the boruto series, to finish the main plot. then kishi says he will be relaxing for the time bring, call an assistant to discuss about the new series. it is unclear whether the new series will still be centered around ninjas or around a totally new theme.

EDIT: A translator i trust, also said Kishi said this:

1)Kakashi got more popular than Naruto so he had to decrease his appearance
2)This 15 years he suffered because of Sasuke and Sakura

3)To make Hinata look more like Naruto’s heroine, Neji had to die like a cupid (to which the interviewer caution, can we air this??)

 

 

Thank you both so much! But omg, I cannot believe he admitted to this!!! -__-

 

It's funny though, I was debating with two of my friends who are diehard NaruHina fans, who admit that the NH is forced. When debating, one even admitted that NaruSaku was there and should have happened. :P They still like NaruHina though, but I know all of us NaruSaku fans are not delusional for believing in our ship! It was blatantly there. 


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Posted 15 December 2014 - 03:03 AM

Chatte has it best at her blog, guys;
 
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You can seriously tell Sakura is thinking "Goddammit, why did Naruto believe me when I said his feelings for me were only because of his rivalry to Sasuke...? What is WRONG with me?!"


"Why did Naruto chose Hinata over me?"

I feel bad for Sakura, she looks ugly in the second pic.

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 03:22 AM

"Why did Naruto chose Hinata over me?"

I feel bad for Sakura, she looks ugly in the second pic.

What's the most beautiful she has ever looked in the Manga?

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 03:25 AM

What's the most beautiful she has ever looked in the Manga?


When she's smiling. Except the time when she faked smile during the arrival of Sasuke.

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 03:30 AM

What's the most beautiful she has ever looked in the Manga?

 

This would be good in it's own thread....

 

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 03:36 AM

When she's smiling. Except the time when she faked smile during the arrival of Sasuke.

Yeah. That's when I thought SasuSaku was dead.

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