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#4501 MoonDrop04

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Posted 20 August 2016 - 11:50 PM

@moon drop
That's his "final" form.
It's so cool to the point it's acknowledge by sorachi.

Kubo is known to make cool character design.

For me, his hollow form bankai is the best.

Oh I don't mean his "mugetsu" transformation :D lol but that was cool

Um what I meant is something reminiscent to that design though. Instead of his body being covered in "getsuga", parts of his body is covered in literal "Black Metal Armor" combined with his robes and as a finishing touch he has a new "black hollow mask" with the horn features attached.

I'm more imagining a design that encompasses his symbolance with the "black sun", but a different a approach with the official "Mugetsu" version.

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Posted 21 August 2016 - 12:01 AM

I've only seen NH fans who are also IH, but with NS folks it's a bit of both.

But I don't think the situation is comparable at all..this ending didn't asspull all the ships or turn the past 15 years upside down or rip Ichigo of all he stands for. I hate when people say this is Narusaku all over again because it's not. :/

 

Well I'm speaking of course that they are throwing a fit at all that their pairing didn't happen, not the circumstances of it. I DO know the situations of the pairings are not comparable, I even noted it earlier


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Posted 21 August 2016 - 12:03 AM

Well I'm speaking of course that they are throwing a fit at all that their pairing didn't happen, not the circumstances of it. I DO know the situations of the pairings are not comparable I even noted it earlier

yeah I didn't mean to invalidate anyone's shipping feelings, it's ok to be sad. I just said that NS didn't 'lose' in the same way IR did. :P

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Posted 21 August 2016 - 12:06 AM

Yeah, that is true. :lulz:  :chuckle:


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Posted 21 August 2016 - 12:30 AM

I've only seen NH fans who are also IH, but with NS folks it's a bit of both.

But I don't think the situation is comparable at all..this ending didn't asspull all the ships or turn the past 15 years upside down or rip Ichigo of all he stands for. I hate when people say this is Narusaku all over again because it's not. :/

NaruSaku was different. It was mutual and had moments where both characters showed undeniable romantic interest. For example Sakura feeding naruto and any naruto moment really. Bleach was different. 


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Posted 21 August 2016 - 12:48 AM

Again,My Question is,  are Ichiruki fans also NH SS fansa\? if so I will SAVOR the irony and I will say to them, "WELCOME TO MY WORLD!!!!!!!"  :kukuku:  :kukuku:  :kukuku: No you all know how I felt!!!! HURTS, Doesn't it!!!!????
 
No seriously.


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Posted 21 August 2016 - 01:32 AM

t sucks that fellow NaruSaku fans are fighting each other over this but ih was gonna happen whether you liked it or not. Also aren't we supposed to be better than nh shippers?
These hardcore fans have been glued to Ichiruki for years, and saw the two main characters (male & female) have such a “good” platonic relationship and concluded that they would be “good for each other.”
 
The only scenes IR pull out for their so-called “evidence” is just their own version of what they want to be “romantic”.
IH did have all the “romantic undertones” in their scenes, but were dismissed because IR fans deemed Orihime’s one-sided feelings-- as just that, and choose to only view it as a “useless girl that won’t get noticed by Ichigo”.They falsely portrayed Ichigo as a guy that “ignores” Orihime, when they are blind to consider the circumstances/events and what is actually happening around them.
IH went through the ups & downs in the progression of the manga:
 
from Orihime’s feelings & her determination to protect Ichigo growing strongerr,
Ichigo growing in terms of accepting that Orihime has grown stronger and depending on her,
both getting closer in each arc,
from “she’s a friend of a friend” to her being a“treasured friend”,
going alongside him to protect their friends,
both exclusively promising to protect each other,
Ichigo worrying about her and always asking “Are you alright?”,
Ichigo’s reaction to Orihime proclaimed dead/or a traitor,
his determination to rise from the dead to save her,
the traumatizing events they both faced- but are able to overcome,
him coming to her defense in anything,
Orihime being brainwashed-yet still has feelings for Ichigo,
being alone in Ichigo’s house to have a conversation,
stingy Ichigo letting Orihime sit on the bed he won’t let anyone sit on,
Orihime coming to understand him more,
and to both working in sync against the enemy.
With so many other scenes that showed how they have grown; both in terms of love & friendship.
 
They are only “confident” because Bleach started with Ichigo & Rukia– thus should end with it. They apparently believe in the “color-spreads” with Ichigo & Rukia– even if Ichigo has been beside other characters. They also have been fed by SP through the anime, where they are given fillers, movies, and etc. Ichigo & Rukia do have a great relationship, but the only “romance” is seen through their assumptions of what the manga scenes are portraying.
 
While IH is considered by them a“fail, toxic, or delusional”, because of many reasons that are placed into their biased viewpoint of Ichihime from their hate/dislike of Hinata but Orhime isn't hinata because she has fought her own battles,gotten stronger and doesn't just worry about Ichigo but all her friends.
 
 

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Posted 21 August 2016 - 02:43 AM

I think we get it, no need to repeat the same post multiple times.

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Posted 21 August 2016 - 02:47 AM

 

Bleach honest trailer lol.



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Posted 21 August 2016 - 03:15 AM

Well, here's my thought on the current situation with its fandom:

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Its been a few days after the ending of Bleach was revealed and it feels like the outrage has not died out. It will perhaps continue on for a long while, especially since Japan has not yet received the chapter. That includes USA alas Shounen Jump Alpha. I often tell myself that I should hold off my review because theres a sense of grace period of not talking about the series in a negative way. Celebrate it. I respect that.

Though half the time, I feel like other people have this aura that has to hate others for either not liking it or act like a fan. One Youtuber was attacked for showing up late and getting ready for the finale. Oddly enough, by another YouTuber. Truth be told, when I upload my review, I got a lot thumbs down ASAP because I voiced my opinion. They probably think I did this because I want to be in-crowd. In terms of reviewing, they are right; however, when they were to tell me I never like the series, wheres your proof.

Im not offended or anything, but I think people should take it easy. Its almost like I offended a cult that its time to shut me down permanently. Haha. I imagine myself being told by that person that I wont name. I probably just go Ok and call it a day. People in here knows that I have followed Bleach longer than Naruto. I have no concrete proof, just the openings that I kept in my drive in which it would list it for 2007 since it was modified. That would mean I know Bleach for a while.

That said it doesnt mean I hate the series. I just thought the ending was really subpar and I stated my reasons ago. Now when it comes to pairing, I dont even hate the choice. In fact, it was something expected, especially when nothing was being updated in terms of relationship. However, I thought it should be either no pairing or make it canon. My gripe is the execution. Lets face it, it was really poor. If you dont agree, thats fine.

I know the outrage is based on either the ending itself or the pairing alone. Its understandable. I have recently saw an entire set displayed in a used book store as well as in Japanese form. I dont know exactly how recent it was but the selection was pretty large. I stumbled upon a guy selling something that I only caught a glimpse of it, which I only saw a paperback size. The back was white, which Bleach volumes are usually are in the backside. I couldnt confirm, I feel like a stalker if I were to check. Haha.

Everyone has their way to take out the anger and I respect that. That said Im not sure about destroying them. They can be used for donations or anything that didnt become a waste. Granted, I get some laugh about it, but I bounce back to reality and think thats crazy to do so. Whether its about pairing or more than that, the most I will do is sell them, so others can get their share.

I guess the moral I got is if you want to be liked, you have to like what the majority likes, right Suicide Squad? Being in the middle but acknowledging that its not the creators fault, youll be safe. Being honest and have a negative thing to say, prepared for the hate. For me, I just go my goodness, and move on.

As for what to do with collections, sell or donate them if you really dont want them. I done it before and I felt it was worth it. Bleach fandom is large and loud, but I understand the devotion they put in after 15 years of running. It has to end sometime, and now that it has, well, lets wait for the aftermath to settle down.

Oh and just do one-track pairing. Fairy Tail is doing it and its in the safe zone. Just haters (for whatever reasons) will say stuff but once it ends, unless Mashima is insane, I can bet that it will be smooth but a bit bumpy ride of satisfaction.



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Posted 21 August 2016 - 03:20 AM

YES ICHIHIME HAPPNED TITE KUBO DID IT RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted 21 August 2016 - 03:24 AM

Well at least Bleach ending serve as a filter in some way ... we'll see that "SOME" revealing true self of few people here is not really what i think they is .... in some way.

That's a good thing.


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Posted 21 August 2016 - 03:35 AM

YES ICHIHIME HAPPNED TITE KUBO DID IT RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Roles eyes if you call him slapping together something that wasn't really good or mutual between them right I have to wonder why people think Ichihime was the right choice? She did not at all have faith in him nor understood like Rukia did.

Its hilarious really my friend, who's a NH shipper was told by me about the storyline of bleach and the characters development. She basically said it was like the Naruto ending all over again. Rukia and Ichigo had a bond so strong they did not have time for other relationships beside themselves. She likes both NH and NaruSaku


The ending makes no sense and pissed off 90% of your fandom then I say you got your hollowed victory. The pairings might not be bad or toxic like Naruto but it still wasn't develop properly nor did they see each other as equals.

After all Rukia is with a guy that was fine with her being executed while Oriheim is with a guy who took several years to learn her first name...." And one that still calls her by her last name....." Yup such great spouses they have. They deserved better than what they were given...

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Posted 21 August 2016 - 03:42 AM

I respect everyone but is it me or is just looking good together is all it takes for people to love them in top pairing? I mean no disrespect but I feel like chemistry is no requirement.

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Posted 21 August 2016 - 03:45 AM

I respect everyone but is it me or is just looking good together is all it takes for people to love them in top pairing? I mean no disrespect but I feel like chemistry is no requirement.

No it's not just you I though Orihime had more chemistry with Isihda than she did with Ichigo. Ichigo had more chemistry with Rukia in my opinion and I shipped Ichigo X Orihime as a crack pairing. I didn't think it would actually happen because of how strong he developed the bond between Ichigo and Rukia...."
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Posted 21 August 2016 - 04:27 AM

Guys I cant believe IchiRuki happened.


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Posted 21 August 2016 - 04:31 AM

To be fair Ishihime was plausible, and I did feel Kubo ship them too a degree, he did draw this color page from chapter 298 going hmm..

 

 

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Posted 21 August 2016 - 04:40 AM

i stopped watching bleach long time ago. im not caught up with it. but i just heard about it today after watching fornever world's video about the ending. i was shocked when i heard it ended with pairings and people breaking their disks. i had no idea what was going on and didn't know who ended up with who. i googled it out of curiosity. and i thought tite kubo was gonna avoid the same thing that happened to naruto but here it is. anyway if it was gonna end with pairings, i always thought it was ichihime that made more sense. i can't really remember why but i it was sometime during hueco mundo arc where he saved orihime. and i think orihime was actually the only one who showed any romantic feelings in the manga and it was toward ichigo. she even tried to kiss him. yes ichigo did not show romantic feelings toward her, how could this have happened? i don't know. this is not a romance manga so it make sense if kubo did not want to show the romance side of it. i saw one of tite kubo's interview from long ago and he was asked if he had to pair ichigo with one of them who would it be. he said it was orihime, but i exactly can't remember his explanation. he said something along the lines that ichigo and rukia are just friends. and i agree with that, that's exactly what i saw between ichigo and rukia. just friendship and comradery no matter how many times they spend together. so im not surprised he ended it this way and i would not have been surprised if it ended with ichiruki either. i know ichiruki have a bigger fanbase than ichiime and i can understand that, i'm not against it. i'd been perfectly fine if he ended with rukia. they did have a strong bond after all. but i just didn't think it was romantic. i know there are a lot of ichiruki fans here and i can see that it parallels narusaku but i can differentiate between romantic love and friendship. i apologized if i offended any ichiruki fans who here, i know you are all upset and i know that feeling well. i just got a little excited when i saw the bleach ending, i didn't think it was gonna end it with the pairings. no hard feelings that's all


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Posted 21 August 2016 - 04:54 AM

i stopped watching bleach long time ago. im not caught up with it. but i just heard about it today after watching fornever world's video about the ending. i was shocked when i heard it ended with pairings and people breaking their disks. i had no idea what was going on and didn't know who ended up with who. i googled it out of curiosity. and i thought tite kubo was gonna avoid the same thing that happened to naruto but here it is. anyway if it was gonna end with pairings, i always thought it was ichihime that made more sense. i can't really remember why but i it was sometime during hueco mundo arc where he saved orihime. and i think orihime was actually the only one who showed any romantic feelings in the manga and it was toward ichigo. she even tried to kiss him. yes ichigo did not show romantic feelings toward her, how could this have happened? i don't know. this is not a romance manga so it make sense if kubo did not want to show the romance side of it. i saw one of tite kubo's interview from long ago and he was asked if he had to pair ichigo with one of them who would it be. he said it was orihime, but i exactly can't remember his explanation. he said something along the lines that ichigo and rukia are just friends. and i agree with that, that's exactly what i saw between ichigo and rukia. just friendship and comradery no matter how many times they spend together. so im not surprised he ended it this way and i would not have been surprised if it ended with ichiruki either. i know ichiruki have a bigger fanbase than ichiime and i can understand that, i'm not against it. i'd been perfectly fine if he ended with rukia. they did have a strong bond after all. but i just didn't think it was romantic. i know there are a lot of ichiruki fans here and i can see that it parallels narusaku but i can differentiate between romantic love and friendship. i apologized if i offended any ichiruki fans who here, i know you are all upset and i know that feeling well. i just got a little excited when i saw the bleach ending, i didn't think it was gonna end it with the pairings. no hard feelings that's all

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Posted 21 August 2016 - 04:56 AM

don't worry im not a subscriber or a fan of fornever world. i hate him after what he said about the naruto ending. i just ran into his video randomly on the sidebar and was curious to watch it


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