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#912974 The Naruto Agree/Disagree Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 10 June 2016 - 03:08 PM

Statement: If Hinata did die in Pain Arc with no resurrection at all,would she  have been considered as a good character because not only she didn't overstay her welcome, but she at least has a closure by confessing her love and die in the process, with the mindset of "She at least accomplish her character."

Agree or disagree?

If she did. She would have been put on a pedestal by her fans. They be saying "if Hinata had lived Naruto would've fallen in love with her and married her just for that act." Everyone else, well they wouldn't have reason to hate her because she was gone long before the ending and hopefully they would stop talking about the pairing like it was always gonna happen. So it would have been good for her popularity in the long run, for her character....better her then Neji.

 

Neji dying was a tragedy because he could not escape his fate of dying for the main branch like his father. This is despite the fact that his story is suppose to be about him finally being able to free the side branch from their fate of being slaves who die for the main branch. And then they used his death as the justification of nH happening. Hinata, people hoped her story would be her slowly becoming a confident woman...AHAHAHAHA Like her fans would allow her to do that. So yeah, dying for her man would have been better, but that doesn't mean she is a good character.




#912915 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 09 June 2016 - 02:51 PM

Neon, its like I keep saying SNS fan are the same as nH fans. nH fans like to fantasize hinata as their perfect girlfriend and put a very minor character on pedestal as flawless which the entire story is truly about. SNS want to do the same Sasuke, they just have more stuff to go off of because Sasuke is more involved in the plot. They both just use Naruto so they can have someone as an insert so they can have sex with Sasuke/Hinata. Or if women to fantasize about two hot guys having sex for SNS or for nH image they are Hinata. SNS can force people to agree with their pairing and silence those that disagree with it by threatening/calling them homophobic. While nH play the victim card whenever they are called out on their BS.

 

Lets face it. Sasuke was barely affected by anything after the ending. What he has a kid that he never interacts with and doesn't raise leaving it to the mother? He able to go on journeys imply he get into lots of awesome fight, while Naruto was stuck trying to raise two spoiled rotten brats that drain all the passion out of his life.

 

Edit the top part to for it to make more sense: Honestly the bond between Naruto and Sasuke has always been over hyped. They were barely friends in part one. Sasuke barely tolerated him for the most part. But Naruto barely had anyone care about him or acknowledge his existence at the start of the manga. So when someone did they became important to him. To the point he didn't want to loss anyone he cared about which led to his obsession with saving Sasuke. While Sasuke barely cared about anyone. So the fact he even acknowledge Naruto made him significant to Sasuke. Since he didn't care about/acknowledge anyone else in the village. The problem is the longer part 2 went on because of how little we saw of them interacting in part one the less people understood why Naruto was going to such length to save Sasuke. So kishi had to start playing up that they had this "special bond like between two brothers" which for some people sounded gay, and for other wanted it to be gay. Instead of Naruto is overprotective and possessive of the people he cares about, while Sasuke gives Naruto a modicum of respect which is more then he gives anyone else.

 

The originally the most important members of the story were Naruto and Sakura. Because Naruto is an insert for kishi. While Sakura was originally the type of girl he was into. That turned into his wife after he met her. But some of the fans became obsessed with Sasuke and Hinata so they plot slowly became solely about their wants and desires.




#912750 Who else switched over to BoruSara after NaruSaku got kicked to the curb?

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 07 June 2016 - 02:40 PM

Yes, this is the right area.

 

No. Currently, mainly because I deeply dislike Bolt. Before that, because if they refused to do it the first time. Why should I get invested in its cheap knock-off?




#912693 Would Minato Neglect Naruto?

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 07 June 2016 - 01:37 AM

The only reason he is neglecting Bolt in the manga is because this is the only drama they can think up. Conflict with the ending's pairings in a long lasting relationship. Kishimoto could have written Sasuke and Naruto as the perfect dads who kids worship them. Instead one is burnt out that leads to him neglecting his kids, and the other does not care/love about his child.




#912646 Boruto The Next Generation: Chapter 2

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 06 June 2016 - 04:28 PM

you know, i cant see this brat being any better than his father if he had a family

He would most likely be an even worst father with all his resentment.

 

Let me use what we have seen over the past year. In order to flesh out some of the characters.

 

Naruto is a brunt out dad. He got swept up in his relationship with hinata during the initial stages and quickly agreed to marry her. Once that initial rush ended and they already had a kid on the way. That's when he slowly understood how little understanding, connections, and bond there was between him and his wife. Most likely an attempt to rekindle their relationship led to the creation of his daughter. That did not help their marriage which lowly fell apart. By the time he became hokage. He was used to sleeping on the couch, because the passion of the marriage had long since dissolved.The thing is Naruto know he not spending enough time with his kids. He know he should spend more time with his family. He knows this but can't will himself enough to change because he no longer has the passion to. The thing is he and hinata should had a divorce a long time ago. The reason they didn't. They had two children together and Naruto doesn't want them to grow up in a broken home.

 

Sasuke and Sakura as far as I can tell had a one night stand. To Sasuke it was pointless sex that ended up knocking up a girl with his kid. While Sakura thought it was an act of passionate love. Leading her to think that she was married to him (maybe she is who knows) and was then left to raise his daughter as basically a single mom. With the hope if she raises his daughter well enough he would reward her with affection she so desired. Sakura does love and care about Salad. But she is still clearly upset of the fact Sasuke hasn't come home in over a decade. To see how she been raising their daughter. Sasuke see Salad as his daughter that it. He wants her looked after and is well taken care of. If she is, he does not care about her beyond that. He probably be furious if he found her on the street starving enough to maybe take care of her (or foist her on someone else)but other then that. Let Sakura raise her and let him avoid any of the child rearing. 

 

One of the most important thing to know about Bolt is. He resent the fact Naruto doesn't come home often enough to spend constant quality time with him. Now Naruto has only used his job as an excuse as to why he doesn't spend enough time with Bolt. Which has led to Bolt hating the hokage position. Everyone else on the other hand has used the fact that Naruto was a orphan to try and justify it instead. Which led him to stating that he would rather his father be dead. Then not spend time with him because he has an important job. He also think Sasuke is cool. After the movie his dream became to take up Sasuke's role as a wanderer. So he probably also think that it better to be a wanderer who has no job and never spends time with his kids. Then it is to have a job that keeps you away from you're kids. Also Salad doesn't seem to like him because he is a lazy bum that doesn't understand how great it is to have Naruto as your dad. Now then, let use this and stuff we have seen from Boruto to see how Bolt may raise his kids.

 

So using that lets imaging his marriage with Salad. Since that's who he is most likely going to end up with: He will immediately hate the idea of her being hokage once they are married. He would most like force her to give up her dream and order her to be a housewife, since both their mothers were. If she refused he would resent her for clearly being a bad mother. For clearly caring more about being hokage, then caring about the kids. He while she forced to become a housewife will taking up Sasuke's oh so important mantle of wandering around the world for years on end. Which is so much more important duty then being hokage. If his kids or wife resent this. He will point how "his father was never around for him and that he is a better father then Naruto ever was." While he is doing that "important" duty Salad is struggling between having to choose between achieving her dream of being hokage and the fact that she is basically a single mom. Except the visits where Bolt pops up to tell his kids "He's a better dad then his father ever was." Then leave again. I imaging by this point Sakura and Naruto would probably step in and help offer to raise the kids with Salad since bolt is gone. Naruto since Salad would be taking his place would suddenly have a lot of free time on his hand, while Sakura would probably have nothing else to do since Sasuke probably hasn't given her another child, and because both want to support her dream. Sasuke doesn't care and Hinata thinks "Naruto-kun." So Sakura Naruto and Salad raise Salad's children while Bolt pop in every few years to remind the kids "he is a better father then his old man ever was." Eventually one of his kids will had it and say that Naruto is more of a father then Bolt ever was. This would cause Bolt to snap and kill everyone while muttering "he is the better father."

 

 

...You know. I kind of want a fan comic/doujin made off of what i just wrote in order to mock the boruto manga and the pairings.




#912629 Boruto The Next Generation: Chapter 2

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 06 June 2016 - 08:01 AM

2.) Huh, no wonder he likes Sasuke so much. I guess he could tell Sasuke was just like him at that age, but still nowhere near as bad as Boruto himself is being right now. How Sasuke could possibly see young Naruto in Boruto though...yeah...shows just how screwed up in the head he must have gotten.

3&4) Yeah, and even then, it was Kakashi who handled Zabuza and it was only through Kurama's chakra that Naruto overcame Haku rather than any actual skill of their own. It wasn't really meant to be a full-on fight (at least not a normal one) as much as it was meant to be a lesson to show them just how big and dangerous the shinobi world truly was compared to the narrow view they all had while tucked away safely in Konoha where they all thought they were hot stuff to some degree.

I think Sasuke was just looking at his face saw how he looked like Naruto. Then saw how he acted around him as well as his training of the rasengan as the norm for Bolt. Making him believe that he is a more talented version of Naruto with his father determination and desire to prove himself. Despite what Salad said to him and what we have seen of him in these two chapters. That this is completely out of the norm for him. He is generally lazy, whines about his situation, and doesn't seem to care/respect his teammates (or bother getting to know them) thinking they are beneath him and only caring about his family. He is actually the worst aspects of Sasuke, Hinata, and Naruto. The reason why too many people didn't complain about this in the reviews of the movies. Was that the movie moved fast enough that you didn't have enough time to fully immerse yourself in how bratty Bolt is. Now with this manga moving at a turtle pace we are able to look at each scene on it own and fully realize what an absolute little kitten he is.

 

As for Bolt's power level and suspense in future fights. That's been thrown out the window. He already able to help the two strongest warriors take down a god at age twelve. He is absolutely stronger then his father was at his age. Hell, he might be stronger then Naruto was by the ending. Despite the fact the his is a lazy brat that apparently feels the need to cheat in order to win the chunin exams. Just because he so gifted. I'm reminded of My hero academy when All Might is fighting Deku and kaachan and he is telling kaachan that the reason why Deku growing so much is similar to in video game. Where it takes less exp to level up a character at level one then it does at level 50. In this case though instead of having to work to that level 50 Bolt like even kaachan had to. He was born at that level. While he whines and complains and does nothing. Such an interesting protagonist. How can we take any fight seriously if they are below these aliens power? Those tattoos he and that other guy had probably are power he obtained from somewhere to move their power levels to absurdity. Once again he probably be handed it like his father and mentor where handed those last minute power up by the sage. In his case because he is so gifted.




#912387 Boruto The Next Generation: Chapter 2

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 03 June 2016 - 12:40 AM

Oh good it's out....well someone already summarized what little plot their is. So just the chapter it self.

 

Well, already said this. But both Sasuke and Bolt are too thin for their height and profession. OH! Kishi is now the editor. It said on the cover page that's rare, but they must be desperate to convince people that kishi is really involve in this manga.

 

First page. The art looks more like from Naruto. Already mentioned how Sasuke face is now a mix between his old face and that face in the first chapter. It is very hit and miss if it looks good or not depending on the image. Also less problem with his eyes for his characters then last time.

 

Sasuke still looks bad, and bolt hair is really bad.

 

OK since this guy gave a loving close up of Naruto's face. It is easier to see where his and kishi art is difference and you can tell they force this guy to really work on making his art more in line with Kishimoto over the past month.

 

Yes Nos, the guy you couldn't identify. Is in fact konohamaru. God, I feel sorry for him. He think bolt is finally taking being a shinobi seriously. And he will finally be able to be his master in order to make the hokages proud. But Bolt is just using him in order to hang out with Sasuke. Bolt is a spoiled kitten. There still this weird problem. With far away characters not sure how to describe it. It took Naruto half a year to master the rasengan?

 

And here comes salad. Wow! That isn't a way to sit in that outfit! She basically already has no skirt. So she just flashing everything down there. Also later another inappropriate pose. Then again any pose you take in that outfit would be inappropriate for her age. Also Bolt is some super genius that mastered the rasengan in a short amount of time to beat his kitten dad. He can also throw it. Oh Salad is saying her dad is "Strict as ever" nice to see the passed few month she been able to finally form a relationship despite the fact he seems to hardly spend a day at home.

 

What the? They reversed the hokages on the mountain? Or is that a mirror?

 

OH god sakura still looks like crap especially with that hair! Can't wait for nH to boast about the improved art but mock us because she still looks like crap.

 

The art has improved but it still has problems and still feels very flat & lifeless. It is obvious that they heard all the complaints about the artwork and force this guy to one improve his art in general and two make his artwork look more like Kishimoto's. Story still crap. Since it just copying the movie point for point. Over all this isn't going to bring back the fans who left the series because of either last year or because of that first chapter. But it may keep some of the pro enders around that are still left. It basically just stop the series from dying because of this chapter but it will still be suffering a slow death for the next few months if not years. I still find it funny they force Kishimoto into the editors position. He basically just there to convince people he more involved with this manga and all he is really doing right now is basically telling/ordering this guy how to draw more like him.




#912340 Boruto The Next Generation: Chapter 2

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 02 June 2016 - 05:50 PM

I just checked it out. And I have some questions.

Who the bloody hell is the guy from page 7?

On page 12 am I the only one that finds Sarada's pose let's say inappropriate or it's just me?

Anything in that outfit would be inappropriate.

Not sure who you're looking at but if your talking about the guy with the..."Afro" not sure what to call it. That is Konohamaru.




#912333 Boruto The Next Generation: Chapter 2

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 02 June 2016 - 05:15 PM

Judging by progression as I've stated in the other thread, I don't think we're gonna get new content until probably in like the last few pages of Chapter 7  won't be until December if this is the pace we're going at. 

 

Content wise not much happened since it's from the movie. 

 

 

Artwork has improved so I guess I'll give the chapter that.  

I'm gonna wait for the translation before i really read the chapter but the art work has improve, but there still the problem of the characters being too unnaturally thin.

 

 I shall repeat this over and over again. This starting off copying the movie when their manga is a monthly release was the dumbest thing they could have done. At least having some original content before going into the movie -like say just doing their genin exam-. 

 

The movie is 96 minutes. If 12 every chapter from here on out? May 1:20, June 2:32. July 3:44, August 4:56, September 5:68, October 6:70, November 7:82, December 8:94 and 9 will be when we actually get into the new crap at that rate. Which will be... January of next year.




#912234 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 01 June 2016 - 02:19 PM

It's somewhat fascinating that guy came here to attack this site and it's members just out of the blue like that. I was even contacted by a couple of random SS fans on my intsagram account the last couple of days to try to explain to me how my refusal to support SS was wrong. And how I don't understand the manga or a good love story. I immediately shot them both down with logic that they couldn't refute, to the point they were speechless.

 

I wonder if this is all stemming from the direction the franchise is heading? That some pro-enders just feel the need to blame somebody since things don't look so good right now, and who better to the blame on than NS fans and anti-enders. 

They are most likely disappointed with how bolt is going so far, and have probably gotten the leak that the plot of chapter 2 is just more of the bolt movie. This once a month manga gives them too much time to think about basically their has been no story so far. They need someone to blame. So blame us because they believe that if kishi was still writing this story (which he technically is since they are just copying the movie) it would have been better. And they want to blame us for him leaving the series. Despite the fact he said for years he was getting tired of the series and he wanted to move on to something else. And one of the major reason he did want to move on from the series was the fact that people hated the character the was based off of his wife and kept sending fan mail about how much they hated her. If anything the anti only moved him from depressed and tired/done to annoyed/angry and done with the series.




#912154 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 31 May 2016 - 12:11 PM

You can't ... "THE" heroes of neutrality and boredom of justice will protect them. If you know what i mean .... moar debate for them!!!! even if their point doesn't make sense .... hey ... at least not boring, that's what they wanted. It's best to ignore them.

They aren't debating or bringing another side to the argument. They are just here troll, and gloat. Since their pairing "won." They believe they are in the right and are morally superior because they are respecting Kishimoto's "authorial intent." There is no debating them because it's in one ear and out the other. I actually understand the bases of nH fan position. They didn't care about the plot because Naruto is just a guilty please made for kids, and the reason they kept reading it was because hinata was their ideal woman. She is quite, obedient, had a sexy body with huge breast, submissive, and was completely and utterly fanatically devotional to her man. They hate Sakura cause she represent all the woman that didn't immediately spread their legs for them despite being such "nice guys."




#912151 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 31 May 2016 - 11:38 AM

Aw none of them were any of my posts. I'm some what sad i wasn't one of the ones not included in that. Then again "hall of anal devastation" sound incredibly homophobic. So can we use that to get one of the mods to delete these post and block his account? We already are stuck with the db troll. Do we really have to suffer another one.

 

Also what does it say about a group that they literally went to a site. So they could stalk it in order to get post so they can make a slideshow of over 500 images to gloat. Kind of creepy.




#912082 How Would Sakura Have Acted In This Situation?

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 29 May 2016 - 08:56 PM

Imagine if Naruto had gotten hurt so badly that he couldn't circulate Chakra anymore in one of his limbs, regardless of having the Nine-Tailed Fox sealed inside of him. How would the other ninja react? 

 

I'm asking for fanfiction reasons...and I'm curious to see what others would think of the situation. I think it would've been an interesting read, and a better ending to the story than the one we got. But that's just me. 

That happened in the manga.

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#912062 Boruto The Next Generation: Chapter 1

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 29 May 2016 - 09:07 AM

At this point , if you were the writer of boruto manga what would you do to raise sale and popularity of this manga back like what naruto manga used to be long ago??

First do not just copy the movie plot for the first few chapters.

Second look back at Naruto and try seeing the morals lesson it was trying to give and try to expand upon it.

Third try seeing it there were any unresolved plot point that weren't concluded in Naruto i could expand upon.

Fourth try to see what conflict/problem would rise up in the world because of the ending.

Fifth look at everything that has come out since the ending to look for the same thing that I did in the Naruto manga.

Sixth try to figure out with what I have gather what direction the story should take. 

Seventh make an outline for the story's plot points.

Eight have kishimoto and others look at the outline for thoughts and further ideas.

Ninth meet the artist and editor and establish some ground rule.

Tenth look at the artist and see what he wants to draw and his drawing skills

Twelfth through twenty is just constantly telling that guy to improve his ability with drawing characters.

Twenty-First see what the editor wants out of this story.

Twenty-Second realize that all the stuff i gather after all that only works if the ending was NS cause that's what the kittening manga was setting up for until the last minute.

Twenty-Third tell the higher ups this and tell them if SP wants nH so bad they should just do it themselves since they been fighting for it for over the past decade.

Twenty-Fourth they refuse i avoid working on this train wreck and have them pass the buck onto the next guy.

Twenty-Fifth use what I have gather to make my own way onto the manga industry without trying to piggyback on Boruto's failing ship.

Twenty-Sixth make my story the new Naruto fans are looking for with similar but improve morals lessons and without the baggage of everything that happened after the ending.




#911944 New Boruto Manga?

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 27 May 2016 - 08:29 AM

He has another job working as the chief editors of another one of shueisha magazines. So why should he demote himself just to work on this failing knock off? It is beneath him. Now, Kishimoto is the supervisor in hopes that it would convince fans to stay, By making them believe that he is still keeping an eye on this knock off. That reviewer thunderlord-or-whatever even said at best what kishimoto might be doing: "walks in looks around says "OK guys good work" and leaves." And he is a nH fan.