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[jak123]

Guys,  Mortal Kombat 11 storyline was. ON. POINT. A definite inspiration of my upcoming epic (which I still hadn't started to write down).
 
Let me tease some stuff, if you guys didn't purchase the game yet:

MK11

All the time stuff and visions Raiden received back in 9 came from the game's new antagonist, Kronika, a titan God who is the mother of Shinnok and Centrion (new character/elder god). She manipulated majority of the cast in various timelines to make sure her children become the light (Centrion) and the darkness (Shinnok) whenever they battled. She also manipulated Raiden and Liu Kang's fight which was happening EVERY, single timeline, and always resulted in Liu Kang's death. Past Raiden stopped the manipulation, after realizing he was following the same dark route as his previous present self, and wanted to save Liu Kang when he fought the Revelant Liu. That ended up with Liu Kang's destiny to be fulfilled - as an elder god, by Raiden merging his powers with Revelant Liu Kang's, reviving past Liu in the process.

 

Liu Kang, at the end, killed off Kronika. There are 3 endings: 1) if you didn't lose any rounds, Liu kills off Kronika, Raiden will recognized him as the new God of Time and will help him, now mortal. Liu will then get additional assistance from Kitana to change the timelines for a better purpose (they're canon by the way), 2) Lost one round, it will just be Liu and Raiden to fix the timelines. Lost the fight: Kronika will win by decapitating Liu Kang via Fatality.

See I'm seeing the opposite reaction. People saying that the story is crap.

[Derock]

See I'm seeing the opposite reaction. People saying that the story is crap.

 

Many people said that. But there's more to it:

Reasons

I listed the following:

 

1) Kitana killed off Shao Khan. In a narrative perspective, it made sense since this was long overdue for her development because of what Shao Khan had done to her family and Edenia after finding out the truth since her debut in II. It also coincided with the second point...

 

2) Kotal Khan handed over his title as Khan to Kitana. Many fans were mad about the way the story handled him: he couldn't overpower Shao Khan twice, his second fight made him crippled before Kitana intervened. Not to mention, he was about to exterminate the Tarkartans before Jade chewed him out (still surprised Jade even hada lover and its him).

 

3) D'Vorah on a mad killing spree, she even killed off Kitana's real father, Jerrod. Fans were pissed at her for killing off the present Scorpion, aka Hazashi.

 

4) Dark Raiden suddenly disappeared when the past selves of the good guys came along.

 

5) Something about the non-canon ending of Jax. Discussion went political... I'm going to have to play him to see this.

 

6) Most of the new characters: Centrion and Geras, especially did not do much.

 

7) Frost was hyped from everyone but she didn't even do as much, just being a brat and annoying.

 

And what I'm hearing that the fans want the bad guys to win but they were low-key winning in previous games. 9 especially because the majority of the heroes like Jax, Kung Lao, and Kitana were killed off by Sindel powered up. Raiden, Johnny and Sonya were the only ones survived so it was heavily bittersweet. And Quan-Chi was the key winner because he had majority of the heroes as Revenants for Shinnok. Same thing with 10, though fans were mad that Cassie killed Shinnok.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

Many people said that. But there's more to it:

Reasons

I listed the following:

 

1) Kitana killed off Shao Khan. In a narrative perspective, it made sense since this was long overdue for her development because of what Shao Khan had done to her family and Edenia after finding out the truth since her debut in II. It also coincided with the second point...

 

2) Kotal Khan handed over his title as Khan to Kitana. Many fans were mad about the way the story handled him: he couldn't overpower Shao Khan twice, his second fight made him crippled before Kitana intervened. Not to mention, he was about to exterminate the Tarkartans before Jade chewed him out (still surprised Jade even hada lover and its him).

 

3) D'Vorah on a mad killing spree, she even killed off Kitana's real father, Jerrod. Fans were pissed at her for killing off the present Scorpion, aka Hazashi.

 

4) Dark Raiden suddenly disappeared when the past selves of the good guys came along.

 

5) Something about the non-canon ending of Jax. Discussion went political... I'm going to have to play him to see this.

 

6) Most of the new characters: Centrion and Geras, especially did not do much.

 

7) Frost was hyped from everyone but she didn't even do as much, just being a brat and annoying.

 

And what I'm hearing that the fans want the bad guys to win but they were low-key winning in previous games. 9 especially because the majority of the heroes like Jax, Kung Lao, and Kitana were killed off by Sindel powered up. Raiden, Johnny and Sonya were the only ones survived so it was heavily bittersweet. And Quan-Chi was the key winner because he had majority of the heroes as Revenants for Shinnok. Same thing with 10, though fans were mad that Cassie killed Shinnok.

 

Thank you, Derock. Honestly, I liked a lot of MK11's story, especially considering it showed anything is possible in the long run now, and how the events of the past all rolled into what we got in the story with Kronika's debut.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I dunno if it was brought up, but what are some ideas for differences that people would want from, say, the Uchiha massacre and Itachi's involvement in it. I've been talking to my partner/co-creator for The Demon Within, Kurt, about wanting to think of a different approach to it, and he wasn't sure why I wanted to do it, and I just want to find some other reasons besides Itachi feeling obligated to do it as long as Sasuke was spared and such, considering part of it contradicts what he was about, being someone who didn't like violence and all that. I just wanna know what could be a good way to go about it, considering that sometimes, Kurt doesn't see some of the flaws of the ending to an extent, and sometimes made me feel he assumes we hate the ending because of the fact NS didn't become canon, even if it's more than that.

[Phantom_999]

How about Obito was using Sasuke's life as a bargaining chip? Like he didn't kidnap Sasuke but coerced Itachi into the Massacre by heavily implying he could kill Sasuke any time any where?

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

How about Obito was using Sasuke's life as a bargaining chip? Like he didn't kidnap Sasuke but coerced Itachi into the Massacre by heavily implying he could kill Sasuke any time any where?

 

I know I wanted to consider having Obito not be the masked man but to have it be a surviving Madara himself. That's one approach besides the possibility of Danzo trying to use Kotoamatsukami as another thought, but I'll be working on it with Kurt and also thinking of stuff. I do appreciate some suggestions.

[Derock]

Off topic for a sec, check out the My Hero Academia thread, I posted some pics including a selfie with Izuku's English VA and an autographed Izuku Pop figurine.

 

So... I went to Fan Expo 2019 here in Dallas. Found these two and more.

 

 

My Hero Academia is all of the rage in the anime stuff. Naruto stuff is prominent but no sequel trash shown at all (exclude 2 fanarts and 1 Hinata fanart). No Boruto stuff shown, Hinata is not visible at all in retail booths, so stuff I saw was Naruto, Kakashi, Sakura, Sasuke, and others like Itachi, Gaara, Lee and I even saw stuff of Jiraiya and Minato.

[Nostradamus]

Hinata just doesn't sell.

She would if they would've made an actual life size sex doll of her. Then she would fly off the shelves.

Edited by Nostradamus, 04 May 2019 - 02:56 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Peter Principal, she was a popular dark-horse, but she didn't have enough to actually be a main line. By not only making her part of the main line but the sole core and focus on the story; she collapsed.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Peter Principal, she was a popular dark-horse, but she didn't have enough to actually be a main line. By not only making her part of the main line but the sole core and focus on the story; she collapsed.

 

And the series failed in the process too.

[LuckyChi7]

you know the crazy thing is that his next manga is gonna be debuting this week... it's not a matter of speculating now it's that a first chapter is dropping pretty much after four-five years. 

 

Anyway, I came across this on reddit, and thought it was worth sharing: 

 

[Nostradamus]

you know the crazy thing is that his next manga is gonna be debuting this week... it's not a matter of speculating now it's that a first chapter is dropping pretty much after four-five years. 

 

Anyway, I came across this on reddit, and thought it was worth sharing: 

 

That sounds like a man overworked for years.

[Phantom_999]

Well for me, that ending was nothing but a Black Hole of seething rage that will never collapse, so there

 

And I'm sure there are still many that feel as I do

Edited by Phantom_999, 06 May 2019 - 01:00 PM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Off topic for a sec, check out the My Hero Academia thread, I posted some pics including a selfie with Izuku's English VA and an autographed Izuku Pop figurine.

 

So... I went to Fan Expo 2019 here in Dallas. Found these two and more.

 

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My Hero Academia is all of the rage in the anime stuff. Naruto stuff is prominent but no sequel trash shown at all (exclude 2 fanarts and 1 Hinata fanart). No Boruto stuff shown, Hinata is not visible at all in retail booths, so stuff I saw was Naruto, Kakashi, Sakura, Sasuke, and others like Itachi, Gaara, Lee and I even saw stuff of Jiraiya and Minato.

Yep, a lot of people just want to pretend the ending and new stuff don't exist outside of bad fanfiction.

 

Hinata just doesn't sell.

She would if they would've made an actual life size sex doll of her. Then she would fly off the shelves.

While her slobbering fans may be loud online, I doubt most of them these days would risk getting outed as a NHer in real life now that they know they're truly the minority among the fan base.

[Bail o' Lies]

And the series failed in the process too.

When making such a dramatic changes to the story as they did; it tends to cause a lot of "landmines" to spring up. Kishi both notices and realized they were there years ago; which is why he wanted to avoid going down this path in the first place. However, SP and his editors spent years convincing everyone their were no such landmines, that any worries were all in kishi's head, and that it was really a instant golden road of success greater then the solid bridge kishi had been building for fifteen years. They then convinced everyone they should race across said "golden road" with reckless abandonment of caution, and preceded to set off. Every. Single. One of. Those. Landmines.

 

Yep, a lot of people just want to pretend the ending and new stuff don't exist outside of bad fanfiction.

 

While her slobbering fans may be loud online, I doubt most of them these days would risk getting outed as a NHer in real life now that they know they're truly the minority among the fan base.

Well, years have gone by since then, and Naruto has long since lost what was left of its popularity and relevance. Not helped that their paring is now connected to Boruto. Where for the first 50 episodes...and repeatedly shown for several years Naruto neglected his family since he was in a loveless marriage. Now they are stuck with an endless filler anime that is boring everyone, and a monthly manga that constantly refuses to start.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 10 May 2019 - 08:48 AM.

[KClaws_2]

Yep, a lot of people just want to pretend the ending and new stuff don't exist outside of bad fanfiction.

 

While her slobbering fans may be loud online, I doubt most of them these days would risk getting outed as a NHer in real life now that they know they're truly the minority among the fan base.

As I said, the loudest voices on the internet do not always reflect reality. In fact, it's usually the opposite (hence why the need to be so loud)

 

This kind of reminds me recently of what happened with Captain Marvel. It was a big trend to bash on both the character and Brie Larson herself over a statement that was well-intentioned at worst. These fools were convinced CM was going to bomb big time, claiming "SJWs can't afford movie tickets" (based on WHAT?). Everywhere you searched on youtube, a video would pop up talking about how CM would be a disaster and Brie would ruin the MCU.

 

And next thing you know, the movie makes a billion dollars (I think it's STILL in the Top 5, even with Endgame already out), and Alita Battle Angel doesn't do so hot despite them pushing it (that is not a black mark on ABA, mind you. It just goes to show that just because a loud group pushes for something doesn't mean it reflects what the public at large is into).

 

And these fools still won't leave both the character and BL alone...kind of like how NHers would bash Sakura to kingdom come and gloss over her good points. Whatever legitimate criticism there is gets lost in the sheer lunacy of it all.

[jak123]

As I said, the loudest voices on the internet do not always reflect reality. In fact, it's usually the opposite (hence why the need to be so loud)

 

This kind of reminds me recently of what happened with Captain Marvel. It was a big trend to bash on both the character and Brie Larson herself over a statement that was well-intentioned at worst. These fools were convinced CM was going to bomb big time, claiming "SJWs can't afford movie tickets" (based on WHAT?). Everywhere you searched on youtube, a video would pop up talking about how CM would be a disaster and Brie would ruin the MCU.

 

And next thing you know, the movie makes a billion dollars (I think it's STILL in the Top 5, even with Endgame already out), and Alita Battle Angel doesn't do so hot despite them pushing it (that is not a black mark on ABA, mind you. It just goes to show that just because a loud group pushes for something doesn't mean it reflects what the public at large is into).

 

And these fools still won't leave both the character and BL alone...kind of like how NHers would bash Sakura to kingdom come and gloss over her good points. Whatever legitimate criticism there is gets lost in the sheer lunacy of it all.

Oh please. Well-intented. She was just being your typical "progressive" celebrity who thinks kittening on "the white man" would get her brownie points. If there wasn't a backlash, she would have never tried to clarify her comments. Brie Larson's portrayal is so poor and they want her to be the new focus of the MCU. 

 

BA Alita was infinitely better than Captain Marvel was. So was Shazam. You don't seem to understand that it had a lot of crutches. Captain Marvel had Disney marketing. The weekend it opened, many theaters were only showing that. So normal people who don't follow the news and go to see movies weekly really had no choices. (My local theater that I always frequent included only showed it the entire first weekend.) It was marketed as a MUST SEE to Endgame, but in reality you don't need to see it to know what's going on in Endgame at all so that was false advertisement. Once people realized they were being fooled, it saw a huge dip in sales the second week. There are pictures of sold out theaters with no one in them either. On top of the fact that Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel is one of the most poorly written characters in the comics. She was way better as Miss Marvel and Warbird. TLJ was crap as well and it made money. You don't seem to understand that no matter what, these big properties are gonna make money because they have name recognition behind them. 

Edited by jak123, 07 May 2019 - 04:02 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

When making such a dramatic changes to the story as they did; it tends to cause a lot of "landmines" to spring up. Kishi both notices and realized they were there years ago; which is why he wanted to avoid going down this path in the first place. However, SP and his editors spent years convincing everyone their were no such landmines, that any worries were all in kishi's head, and that it was really a instant golden road of success greater then the solid bridge kishi had been building for fifteen years. They then convinced everyone they should race across said "golden road" with reckless abandonment of caution, and preceded to set off. Every. Single. One of. Those. Landmines.

 

And I know I've seen many series I like take too many big risks to do dramatic changes and it fails, especially when it comes to other things like romance, how characters are, dropping plot points, etc. It leads to landmines as you said, Bail, and you're right. It also feels like for Kishimoto too that he was just down on himself too because of his dad's death, and that made things too easy for him when Studio Pierrot and his later editors wanted to take the helm in many ways to make what THEY wanted Naruto as a series to be, and look what happened!

[ultranx]

As I said, the loudest voices on the internet do not always reflect reality. In fact, it's usually the opposite (hence why the need to be so loud)

 

This kind of reminds me recently of what happened with Captain Marvel. It was a big trend to bash on both the character and Brie Larson herself over a statement that was well-intentioned at worst. These fools were convinced CM was going to bomb big time, claiming "SJWs can't afford movie tickets" (based on WHAT?). Everywhere you searched on youtube, a video would pop up talking about how CM would be a disaster and Brie would ruin the MCU.

 

And next thing you know, the movie makes a billion dollars (I think it's STILL in the Top 5, even with Endgame already out), and Alita Battle Angel doesn't do so hot despite them pushing it (that is not a black mark on ABA, mind you. It just goes to show that just because a loud group pushes for something doesn't mean it reflects what the public at large is into).

 

And these fools still won't leave both the character and BL alone...kind of like how NHers would bash Sakura to kingdom come and gloss over her good points. Whatever legitimate criticism there is gets lost in the sheer lunacy of it all.

......you do know there were empty theaters at captain marvel and disney actually bought out alot of the tickets to make sure it would do well right?

 

not only that, they changed the way rotten tomatoes does reviews then spammed positive reviews and rigged it in their favor, so all the real reviewers moved to metacritic.

Edited by ultranx, 07 May 2019 - 05:01 PM.

[RulesofNature]

You don't seem to understand that no matter what, these big properties are gonna make money because they have name recognition behind them. 

 

Except for Solo, but that seems to illustrate a point here. TLJ did great at the beginning due to the hype from TFA, but the negative word of mouth caused there to be fewer repeat viewings and a $700 million dollar frop from that movie. People in the industry generally hold it to have underperformed at the box office, combined with a drop in video and merch sales. Solo then lost Star Wars money in theaters.

 

Captain Marvel isn't going to instantly kill the MCU. Endgame is going off of Infinity Wars' hype, not Captain Marvel's. BUT considering the reaction to her movie ranges from "it's okay" to "it's bad," makes her status as the new face of the franchise questionable and people do point out how inconsequential she was in Endgame. Heck, the rumors of there being two cuts of the movie based on CM's reception could very well be true here.

 

BUT if people lose faith in the brand, then it's over. Just look at Naruto. TLJ shook audiences, and people are noticeably less hyped for episode 9. One bad film isn't going to kill the MCU, but if they release more movies in line with CM there could be a noticeable drop in sales. And of course, people could just be done with the MCU after Endgame, seeing it as the final chapter and any further movies would be a step down. Parodies, such as Airplane! and Blazing Saddles, have also ended genres by having it so audiences couldn't take them seriously anymore. Only time will tell what happens with Marvel.

 

It's also worth noting one film critic has said that sometimes they have to give softball reviews to maintain access with regards to CM, and at least one film director has said the same thing about (and that most of Hollywood secretly hates) TLJ.