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Posted 16 March 2020 - 04:57 PM

But as many crazy NH fans would say. But Hinata needed to have her happy ending, is what they would say because they dont have a brain like SJWs.
Its the reason why I kill Hinata in my stories or make her go crazy because she cant be with Naruto.

good I'm the same way. Why is her happiness so important than anyone else she didn't do anything or is interesting enough to care about.take Naruto out of the picture and what does she have.
  

I prefer she dies by the Thanos snap.

 and just her no one else, or any death
 

I would have preferred neck spinning slap instead.

OR a Kratos beat down from the new God of War game.

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Posted 16 March 2020 - 04:57 PM

Yeup.
Naruto was basically the "back-up boyfriend" in the logic of NH fans.
I could argue that Hinata was the back-up GF to Naruto, but that is giving her too much credit. She was basically the "well, I don't have any other choice. This or nothing." Yeah, they make it seem like all the girls in Konoha were after his kitten, but they were underage and just worshipped him like a hero and we only see these girls in the movie and nowhere else.
Of course, even the Hinata fanatic are like "Naruto the Last is only loosely based on canon so it is NOT canon."
The one movie that makes them is the same movie they also secretly don't want to accept.

Do they actually say that james?

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Posted 17 March 2020 - 05:51 AM

good I'm the same way. Why is her happiness so important than anyone else she didn't do anything or is interesting enough to care about.take Naruto out of the picture and what does she have.
   and just her no one else, or any death
 
OR a Kratos beat down from the new God of War game.

Or Xehanort striking her with the X-blade.

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Posted 18 March 2020 - 04:11 PM

Are they actually saying it's not canon to them?

 

 

Do they actually say that james?

I have met a few. The ones I met when talked about Naruto the Last told me that it was only loosely based on canon. I mean, are you all really surprised? You don't know how many times a Hinata fanatic I'd argue with would say "where is that written? I don't remember that in the manga/movie" I then show them images or a link to the chapter in which it was shown and they usually try to hand wave it or act like it has no meaning to the overall plot.

In fact, I seem to recall the last one I argued with in a youtube comments section told me that I was blowing things out of proportion and that I was looking too deeply into the story.

I find myself collecting different excuses for why Naruto is so bad from forgetfulness to "that is not technically canon" to "translation error" to even the dreaded "this is not a romance manga." This is why I am convinced that Hinata fanatics just didn't read the manga or convinced themselves the manga went a different way. Heck, they still think Minato asked Sakura "Are you his sister?" This one was REALLY weird as I had to pull my old kanji breakdown picture from that one.


As an amusing add-on, not me, but a fellow NS shipper that is more on the facebook NS pages rather than here told me they had a convoy with a SS shipper that sad this
"Kishi proves in Naruto Gaiden genetics doesn't matter it's the person that raise you that counts."

I asked him if answered back "Oh so are you admiting Salad is NOT Sasuke and Sakura's kid and that SS is an extremely toxic relationship?" Not sure if he did, but I think the series is starting to make these pro-enders lose more and more ammunition.
 


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Posted 18 March 2020 - 07:31 PM

Oh yeah, "genetics doesn't matter ,it's who raised you that counts" but that message turned on it's head when Sarada IS actually Sakura's biological daughter and she was stupid for "doubting their blood bond anyway". Do these fans actually have any reading comprehension skills?


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Posted 18 March 2020 - 08:39 PM

Oh yeah, "genetics doesn't matter ,it's who raised you that counts" but that message turned on it's head when Sarada IS actually Sakura's biological daughter and she was stupid for "doubting their blood bond anyway". Do these fans actually have any reading comprehension skills?

 

For the fanatics? That's a big NOPE that they even have any reading comprehension skills to use.



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Posted 18 March 2020 - 08:56 PM

still wondering how Boruto and Himawari got whisker marks... and only two of them at that. 


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Posted 18 March 2020 - 09:59 PM

still wondering how Boruto and Himawari got whisker marks... and only two of them at that. 


SOMEBODY forgot that only female Jinchuriki would cause that to happen and not just Kishimoto but others who dont give a **** about the series and its canon anymore. Like the writers of The Last... XP Naruto having the Shadow Clone Jutsu before the academy, my fat ass!

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Posted 18 March 2020 - 10:06 PM

SOMEBODY forgot that only female Jinchuriki would cause that to happen and not just Kishimoto but others who dont give a **** about the series and its canon anymore. Like the writers of The Last... XP Naruto having the Shadow Clone Jutsu before the academy, my fat ass!

 

funny thing is, if Boruto got the marks with Sakura-Chan being his mother, it could have been explained away as her having some of it in her bloodstream due to getting scratched by Naruto as the Four-Tails. That would have sonewhat made sense.  Which most likely would have been the reason, since it was clear that she was originally the mother of Boruto and Naruto was the father. Some of those pictures in Chapter 700 looked swapped to me anyways. Or edited last minute. 


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Posted 18 March 2020 - 10:47 PM

hello to all, hope everyone is doing well during the outbreak, I've been doing fine, just same old same old, I'm working extra hrs at my grocery job to help out. also its been so long since I've checked in to see the state of the naruto/boruto, has it gotten any worse?


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Posted 19 March 2020 - 01:35 AM

hello to all, hope everyone is doing well during the outbreak, I've been doing fine, just same old same old, I'm working extra hrs at my grocery job to help out. also its been so long since I've checked in to see the state of the naruto/boruto, has it gotten any worse?

 

I'd say so, Ultra. But that's also cool of you helping out more at your job like that, especially in these trying times.



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Posted 19 March 2020 - 02:41 AM

I have met a few. The ones I met when talked about Naruto the Last told me that it was only loosely based on canon. I mean, are you all really surprised? You don't know how many times a Hinata fanatic I'd argue with would say "where is that written? I don't remember that in the manga/movie" I then show them images or a link to the chapter in which it was shown and they usually try to hand wave it or act like it has no meaning to the overall plot.
In fact, I seem to recall the last one I argued with in a youtube comments section told me that I was blowing things out of proportion and that I was looking too deeply into the story.
I find myself collecting different excuses for why Naruto is so bad from forgetfulness to "that is not technically canon" to "translation error" to even the dreaded "this is not a romance manga." This is why I am convinced that Hinata fanatics just didn't read the manga or convinced themselves the manga went a different way. Heck, they still think Minato asked Sakura "Are you his sister?" This one was REALLY weird as I had to pull my old kanji breakdown picture from that one.
As an amusing add-on, not me, but a fellow NS shipper that is more on the facebook NS pages rather than here told me they had a convoy with a SS shipper that sad this
"Kishi proves in Naruto Gaiden genetics doesn't matter it's the person that raise you that counts."
I asked him if answered back "Oh so are you admiting Salad is NOT Sasuke and Sakura's kid and that SS is an extremely toxic relationship?" Not sure if he did, but I think the series is starting to make these pro-enders lose more and more ammunition.

Wow and they say we are stubborn when you show them panels from the series.

still wondering how Boruto and Himawari got whisker marks... and only two of them at that.

That still makes no sense since hinata never had a tailed beast in her cause that's how Naruto got his.

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Posted 19 March 2020 - 02:43 AM

funny thing is, if Boruto got the marks with Sakura-Chan being his mother, it could have been explained away as her having some of it in her bloodstream due to getting scratched by Naruto as the Four-Tails. That would have sonewhat made sense.  Which most likely would have been the reason, since it was clear that she was originally the mother of Boruto and Naruto was the father. Some of those pictures in Chapter 700 looked swapped to me anyways. Or edited last minute.

why not just turn bolt into shinachiku in that case.
  

hello to all, hope everyone is doing well during the outbreak, I've been doing fine, just same old same old, I'm working extra hrs at my grocery job to help out. also its been so long since I've checked in to see the state of the naruto/boruto, has it gotten any worse?

You to huh I hear you it's rough.

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Posted 19 March 2020 - 08:08 PM

Oh yeah, "genetics doesn't matter ,it's who raised you that counts" but that message turned on it's head when Sarada IS actually Sakura's biological daughter and she was stupid for "doubting their blood bond anyway". Do these fans actually have any reading comprehension skills?

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Kishimoto has as much idea about genetics as Toriyama does about time travel.

 

SOMEBODY forgot that only female Jinchuriki would cause that to happen and not just Kishimoto but others who dont give a **** about the series and its canon anymore. Like the writers of The Last... XP Naruto having the Shadow Clone Jutsu before the academy, my fat ass!

There was another way to get whiskers marks and that was by LITERALLY EATING flesh from Kurama himself. This is how the Gold and Silver brothers got their whiskers marks because they were swallowed by Kurama and lived by eating his stomach lining which was said to be toxic, but they were so badass that they powered through it and actually absorbed some of his chakra.

I think they just added the whiskers so they can definitely say that they were Naruto's and Hinata's kid. Of course, if we remember, when asked why non of NH's kids had the byakugan Kishimoto replied "I forgot" is very telling that the entire series is a retcon.

They don't know how genetics works and really just use it to explain why some people have special powers and others don't. It's funny that in a series about underdogs and overcoming privileged with hardwork....they sure used the "this is a genetic pass down" ALOT as an excuse. Even Naruto who is by far THE MOST privileged in the entire village. He is related to every single Hokage in the village, he is taught by some of the best teachers in the world, and he was given so many power-ups that it was the only way he could compete.

Like plague of gripes said....characters like Naruto and Goku would be KILLED instantly in say the JoJo's universe because they are so damn stupid that a simple mind game can beat them.

 


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Posted 20 March 2020 - 08:27 AM

still wondering how Boruto and Himawari got whisker marks... and only two of them at that. 

They needed something that says, "Yes, these are Naruto and Hinata's kids," especially the daughter.


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Posted 20 March 2020 - 02:11 PM

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Kishimoto has as much idea about genetics as Toriyama does about time travel.
 


There was another way to get whiskers marks and that was by LITERALLY EATING flesh from Kurama himself. This is how the Gold and Silver brothers got their whiskers marks because they were swallowed by Kurama and lived by eating his stomach lining which was said to be toxic, but they were so badass that they powered through it and actually absorbed some of his chakra.
I think they just added the whiskers so they can definitely say that they were Naruto's and Hinata's kid. Of course, if we remember, when asked why non of NH's kids had the byakugan Kishimoto replied "I forgot" is very telling that the entire series is a retcon.
They don't know how genetics works and really just use it to explain why some people have special powers and others don't. It's funny that in a series about underdogs and overcoming privileged with hardwork....they sure used the "this is a genetic pass down" ALOT as an excuse. Even Naruto who is by far THE MOST privileged in the entire village. He is related to every single Hokage in the village, he is taught by some of the best teachers in the world, and he was given so many power-ups that it was the only way he could compete.
Like plague of gripes said....characters like Naruto and Goku would be KILLED instantly in say the JoJo's universe because they are so damn stupid that a simple mind game can beat them.

Trained by the best teachers ha no he hardly had any training the whole series the most he trained with was the toads and killer bee.

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Posted 20 March 2020 - 05:36 PM

Trained by the best teachers ha no he hardly had any training the whole series the most he trained with was the toads and killer bee.


Both of which whose training he ditched early because of his hero complex.


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Posted 21 March 2020 - 02:11 AM

Both of which whose training he ditched early because of his hero complex.


So really Naruto had next to training and survived by luck God that's dumb again power Rangers jungle fury did this better the Rangers learned pretty much in every episode and that was only 32 episodes

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Posted 21 March 2020 - 03:42 AM

Trained by the best teachers ha no he hardly had any training the whole series the most he trained with was the toads and killer bee.

Okay, probably bad wording...best ninja? He had access to train with the best ninja in the world? Kakashi was said to be so good he mastered 1000 jutsu, was said to be as smart as shikamaru, have senses as good as Kiba, and more....and yet he never once utilized Kakashi's knowledge. He met and was godson to Jiraiya who was greater than Hokage level and had tons of skills. He met Killer Bee who was said to be powerful too and while he appeared as an idiot was actually an unorthodox ninja. He is genetically related to several ninja gods, and was even the reincarnation of one and ended up marrying back into his own family.

He was supposed to have the bloodline advantages of the Uzumaki, said to be one of the strongest clans in Konoha yet somehow got wiped out.

Of course, Naruto is not exactly "best student" either as he is stupid, lazy, and could not care less about what being a ninja is. He just want attention.

Going back, Naruto should have died at least several times in part 1. Naruto also should have lost in the chunnin exams twice.
 


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Posted 21 March 2020 - 05:14 PM

Okay, probably bad wording...best ninja? He had access to train with the best ninja in the world? Kakashi was said to be so good he mastered 1000 jutsu, was said to be as smart as shikamaru, have senses as good as Kiba, and more....and yet he never once utilized Kakashi's knowledge. He met and was godson to Jiraiya who was greater than Hokage level and had tons of skills. He met Killer Bee who was said to be powerful too and while he appeared as an idiot was actually an unorthodox ninja. He is genetically related to several ninja gods, and was even the reincarnation of one and ended up marrying back into his own family.

He was supposed to have the bloodline advantages of the Uzumaki, said to be one of the strongest clans in Konoha yet somehow got wiped out.

Of course, Naruto is not exactly "best student" either as he is stupid, lazy, and could not care less about what being a ninja is. He just want attention.

Going back, Naruto should have died at least several times in part 1. Naruto also should have lost in the chunnin exams twice.

 

Too bad that writing sucked on a lot of that. And also how everyone else tried to mold him to be a ninja THEY thought was the best way, given some of Naruto's experiences led him to want to follow his own path before that got tossed out the window, and how it turned out when he didn't seem to change a damn thing about the ninja world.

 

In terms of many battles, it was either dumb luck, unpredictability, or something else that helped Naruto quite a bit in Part 1, James, like how he was panicked enough to fart when fighting Kiba, but also how in the fight, he used unpredictability to get the best of him at times, like tricking him with the Transformation Jutsu into thinking Kiba had kayoed Akamaru instead of Naruto, so he'd take Akamaru out of the fight. Or with Neji, how even when Naruto used Kurama's chakra to release his Tenketsu after Neji sealed them with the 8 Trigrams 64 Palms, that Naruto's tenacity and willingness to never give up helped him win when he tricked Neji with a Shadow Clone, and then broke his fingernails into the dirt to be able to win.

 

Personally, I never liked the idea of Naruto and Sasuke's reincarnation concept. It takes away from who they are. That's why for my fanfic, I tweaked it that they're descendants to Ashura and Indra, with Naruto indirectly being one and Sasuke being directly. The idea of it too is that, since it seemed to be forgotten, Naruto may be related to all of this stuff, but that he actually has his own kind of growth, his own way to become stronger regardless of his ancestry.

 

It's like with Jon Kent in modern DC comics. Even if he's the son of Superman, Jon is different from Clark in how his growth with his powers has been. While Clark had years to get adjusted, Jon hasn't had as much time, and initially, he has a hard time using his powers effectively until he receives training to get the handle on them from Damian Wayne. That's the approach I want to take to explain Naruto and his growth in my fanfic.






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