On the specifics? Probably not. Generally, oh, he can. As I said, your theory requires that we believe Kishimoto and Co. are engaging in a rather baffling and non-sensical manner. It requires accepting that these people do things in a convoluted, obtuse manner in further of questions that don’t really demand answers (even to accomplish your stated goal) and do it over the course of multiple properties instead of being direct and just doing it in the manga like they could of.
Anyone with a basic understanding of the series can grasp the enormity of what your theory demands they accept. And it’s way too much. If you’re right, more power to you. But I don’t think you are and for me, I’ll believe your theory when I see them do it.
Yes, they are. But for Boruto the manga, they are also largely irrelevant. I don’t expect the manga to spend all that much time with them because it’s not about them.
I disagree. Naruto loves paperwork more than people. It’s why Boruto is so pissed in Boruto (in the beginning anyway). So, I don’t think they’d converse. And since Sakura was fine and dandy with her husbands being AWOL for more than a decade and a non-entity in their daughter’s life, it’s hard to imagine she’d do anything about it.
We have no idea if Naruto is interested in Neji’s grave. It’s not important. He didn’t attend the one time it was shown. Wasn’t that visit during the time his kid was defacing the Hokage monument?
You’re observations and theories are riddled with stuff like this. You read intent things that aren’t trying to send the message you claim. His non-attendance at a scene that wasn’t trying to convey the message you give it. You are reading the worst possible intent into scenes that are intended to send entirely different messages. There is nothing about the TONE of that scene that remotely suggests that it’s trying to send a message that Naruto doesn't give a rip about Neji’s grave.
Speaking of that…Naruto and Hinata could talk about…..NEJI!! They both knew him. They both liked him and he had an impact on their lives.
This is a somewhat amusing charge to hurl at SS and NH, given you’re a SH fan. If conversations with Sasuke and Hinata would be one-sided because of their non-responsive personality, what would SH ever talk about?
As for the one thing you identify that SH could talk about…I respond to that below.
Yeah, it’s hard to imagine this going any better with Hinata. It doesn't show he’s a bad mate for Sakura, it shows he’s a bad mate for everyone. Which, in truth, he is. You think he’d stay for her anymore than Sakura? Especially considering that his reasons for doing so are rooted in his own need for penance.
One commonality does not a relationship make. After SH talked about that….what next? NH/SS both fought in the same war together. Why can’t they talk about that. The horrific nature of that war, is something they could discuss.
Not to say, I’m high on either NH/SS. I hate them both. But your complaints can be turned right back on your own pairing, so it’s not very persuasive.
I want to go to town on this so bad, but I cannot do so without getting into politics and I am not going to do that here.
I will say this much though….I can’t imagine why guys would hate the Tsundere trope when they have to watch male characters get decked for minor, inconsequential, or, in some cases, no reason at all. It’s generally used as humor in anime, but I don’t find it funny.
Even the Naruto/Sakura moment that opens with this thread….why did she sucker punch him? She’s the one who brought up her romantic interest in Sasuke and he gets gut punched because she’s embarrassed about something EVERYONE knows about?
I don’t blame guys for not liking this, especially when many reasonably feel that if the situation were reverse, and it were played for humor like the Tsundere frequently is, people would be outraged. But when it’s the dood getting decked we are supposed to go, AHAHA, how funny! They must hate this stuff because their a bunch of sexist kitten!
For me, it’s a piece of a character so I don’t necessarily hate Tsundere’s and, at least for manga Sakura, it’s such a small part of her character it has no impact on me. But from what I here, anime Sakura is much worse.
Yeah, somehow I don’t see the battle of the sexes being impacted regardless of how those pairings turn out.
Given that Boruto is about him and his relationships, I’m not holding my breath.
No.
It’s probably because the story is about Boruto and the main area the writer’s are trying to explore are Boruto’s crappy relationship with his dad and Boruto’s relationship with Sasuke. I wouldn't expect much NH action in a movie or manga that isn’t about them or their relationship. This is the kind of stuff I mean, about reading the worst possible interpretation into something that is trying to convey something totally different. The lack of NH focus CAN be for reasons beyond what you suggest. There is a much simpler explanation beyond your convoluted theories.
Are you familiar with the concept Occam’s Razor?
Still don’t know why he needed to show that to make NS/SH. If he did, still dunno why he didn’t do it in the manga and before they got married and had kids. It’s much easier on everyone to do it that way. Makes no sense to make multiple properties to do something that could have been done quicker, easier, and cleaner in the manga.
Lets go over everything you said:
You said:"On the specifics? Probably not. Generally, oh, he can."
No... how can you have a debate with someone with content they didn't not take the time to read ? they wouldn't even know what the debate is about... as he stated... harry4e didn't take the time to read the Boruto manga
Even with general discussion about a subject you still have to have somewhat of a little knowledge about the subject or otherwise your comments will be most likely ignorant...
You said:"As I said, your theory requires that we believe Kishimoto and Co. are engaging in a rather baffling and non-sensical manner."
I don't know why you are in disbelief that Kishimoto won't engage in baffling behavior when he has shown to do so in the past, If you are consistently reading what he says in his interviews he loves making red herrings in story and he loves to tease fans with story plots to keep you guessing (NaruSaku)
So I fail to see how you find it so profound that Kishimoto will engage in baffling behavior when he has done so in the past and now he is doing it again with the Boruto manga,
You need to understand that Kishimoto writes each and everyone of the plots in Naruto with a 2nd meaning, each plot in Naruto always has a 2nd meaning and message instead of just one about it and that's what the phrase "Read underneath the underneath" means, You cannot be a superficial reader if you want to fully understand the story of the Naruto manga,
For example-> Kishimoto made us think NaruSaku was going to be cannon at the end of shippuden, but then he made NaruHina cannon that was the first meaning of that plot, but really NaruHina was ONLY made cannon so that NaruSaku can be the end pairing, the fact that Kishimoto made NaruHina's relationship doing horribly and making Naruto go to Sarada and Sakura is telling us that Naruto should have been with Sakura all along and that is the 2nd message and that's "Read underneath the underneath" NaruHina was only made cannon so that the NaruSaku ship can begin,
If you NaruSaku fans TRULY UNDERSTOOD KISHIMOTO'S WRITING STYLE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE GIVEN UP SO EASILY ON NARUSAKU!!!
And NONE of the plots in Naruto Kishimoto writes are non-sensical, you just lack the ability to see the true and deeper reason for everything and every plot he writes, for every plot he writes there is always a hidden meaning than what the surface of what he writes shows such as:
Most of the problem I have with people is that they dismiss this line "Read underneath the underneath" that line is the key to reading Naruto..
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/7/8
Kishimoto later repeated this on an interview.. don't ask me which or where it is .. since is early Naruto stuff that I think is lost now.. due to most of this was on free web accounts..
Still that lines opens a whole new world how to interpret Naruto. Many are hang up on the door and never get into Naruto as a whole and those who are branded lunatics..
People think what I say is crazy and that I'm making it up .. but yet they hardly scratch the surface of what Kishimoto hid in the story or his systematic numerical order..
Kishimoto only has done 2 segments of Naruto and there still a third coming up.. call Boruto.. Yet most think Boruto is a totally different storyline and can't understand that is another segment..
Until people start to realize Kishimoto's pattern of writing they are gonna be at lost and think what is now is correct and don't understand that is just the beginning of the end..
Kishimoto has laid out this beautifully that he already told the major influence in Boruto are gonna be human clones.. yet most are not even aware of that lol..
Again.. understand see/read underneath the underneath.. and don't fall for obvious traps..
If you believe everything Kishimoto has said to be true and then you never understood what he said in the manga.. Kishimoto even explained it with graphics since Naruto fell x2 for the same trap..
You are just rephrasing the same thing.. all over is a trap whether you wanna see it or not its a trap.. since Naruto has not told Sakura the truth of chapter 3..
It amazing how Kishimoto plays with lies and truth and people like you fall for the lie easily..
You said:"It requires accepting that these people do things in a convoluted, obtuse manner in further of questions that don’t really demand answers (even to accomplish your stated goal) and do it over the course of multiple properties instead of being direct and just doing it in the manga like they could of."
As I've explained within my theory:http://www.narusaku....showtopic=15890
The Naruto Manga isn't a simple Manga likewise it isn't written to be simple, All the plots that Kishimoto writes in the Naruto Manga are all convoluted and obtuse, that's his style of writing he intended for his Manga to be that way, his "Read underneath the underneath" concept in the Naruto manga is convoluted and obtuse, like i've stated above, there is always a 2nd meaning and message to every plot written in Naruto which is again a convoluted, obtuse manner so therefore that goes against your argument of "It requires accepting that these people do things in a convoluted, obtuse manner " and debunks it because Kishimoto has ALWAYS written the Naruto Story that way, WHICH MEANS YOU'VE ACCEPTED THAT THEY WRITE THE STORY IN A CONVOLUTED, OBTUSE MANNER, You can't be a superficial reader to be able to fully grasp and understand the concepts and messages the Naruto plots try to convey to the reader.
You as a reader don't have to demand answers if you understand the writing pattern of a author and if you do you will expect what the author will write next and won't have a need to demand answers on what he/she will write next.
Naruto and Sakura's relationship HAS been developed over multiple properties, Movies, Novels, and Anime, the purpose of that was to further enhance and show what both Naruto and Sakura meant to each other and how deeply connected they were, It is true that Naruto decided to marry Hinata at the end of Naruto Shippuden but that's when you NaruSaku fans gave up on Naruto and NaruSaku but that was a wrong move and a MAJOR Mistake because you didn't see the true reason why Kishimoto paired Naruto With Hinata, it was to show that Naruto wasn't compatible with Hinata even though she wanted him, but you NaruSaku fans failed to see that because most of you are Superficial readers... who has dismissed Kishimoto's Naruto concept "Read underneath the underneath" which once again means there is a 2nd meaning and message to every plot Kishimoto writes if you NaruSaku fans truly understood that you would have know that that wasn't the end of NaruSaku.
You said:"Anyone with a basic understanding of the series can grasp the enormity of what your theory demands they accept. And it’s way too much. If you’re right, more power to you. But I don’t think you are and for me, I’ll believe your theory when I see them do it."
Again... You're not suppose to have a basic understanding of the Naruto manga series if you want to fully grasp and understand the concepts the Naruto plots try to convey to the reader.
Everything and every plot in the Naruto series is more than what it appears to be, there is always a 2nd meaning a message to every plot in the Naruto series hence "Read underneath the underneath"
So no since you are claiming you only have a BASIC UNDERSTANDING of the Naruto Manga series you do NOT grasp the enormity of what my theory is demanding for you guys to accept, And it's not way too much for you to accept as you think because Kishimoto has planned for Naruto and Sakura to be paired together romantically at the 3rd and final segment of the Naruto series the Boruto manga, And since you guys are already NaruSaku fans you pretty much accepted the pairing outcome of what will happen at the end of the Boruto manga so there is really nothing more for you to accept.
And this theory is completely right I'm sure of it, because it follows Kishimoto's writing pattern, So because the theory understands Kishimoto's writing style, you will expect what he will write next, and that is NaruSaku.
You said:"Yes, they are. But for Boruto the manga, they are also largely irrelevant. I don’t expect the manga to spend all that much time with them because it’s not about them."
ARE YOU FUUCKING KIDDING ME ?!!
The plot of the Boruto manga is being progressed by the terrible state of the current status of NarutoXHinata and SasukeXSakura's "romantic" relationship
Naruto is a absentee father who neglects his family life in favor of spending time on his dream of being Hokage, there is a chain and domino effect with this situation, Boruto doesn't have a father figure to guide and raise him, Hinata doesn't have a man to spend time with, The reason she married Naruto was because she wanted to be by his side, but since they are separated they are not so it's not the marriage Hinata envisioned to have with Naruto so Hinata has a pretty compelling reason to dump Naruto.
Sasuke has been acting as Naruto's replacement of Boruto's father of the family, He has been keeping a watchful and vigilant eye on Boruto and Himawari Something Hinata wishes Naruto would be doing which is inevitably cause Hinata to start looking at Sasuke in a new way which is the opportunistic moment for Sasuke to get romantically involved with Hinata.
Sarada's family life parallels with Boruto's, She also has a absentee father who neglects his family life in favor of spending time on his atonement journey as a way of penance for his past crimes, again there is a chain and domino effect with this situation, Sarada doesn't have a father figure to guide and raise him, Sakura doesn't have a man to spend time with, The reason she married Naruto was because she wanted to be by his side, but since they are separated they are not so it's not the marriage Sakura envisioned to have with Sasuke so Sakura has a pretty compelling reason to dump Sasuke.
Naruto has been acting as Sasuke's replacement of Sarada's father of the family, He has been keeping a watchful and vigilant eye on Sarada and Sakura Something Sakura wishes Sasuke would be doing which is inevitably cause Sakura to start looking at Naruto in a new way which is the opportunistic moment for Naruto to get romantically involved with Sakura.
The members of these 2 families are spliting apart and going their separate ways, Boruto, Himawari and Hinata will be going to be with Sasuke, And Sarada and Sakura will be going to be with Naruto, and that's how the NaruSaku and SasuHina ships start in the Boruto manga, Do you see now ? Boruto is the key to the SasuHina ship and Sarada is the Key to the NaruSaku ship.
How could you have ignored the obvious significance NaruHina and SasuSaku has on the story plot progression in the Boruto Manga ? you must be like harry4e who didn't read and watch the Boruto manga and Boruto movie which shows obvious signs that NaruHina and SasuSaku marriages are gradually breaking apart, which is why you are in heavy disbelief that my theory that NaruSaku and SasuHina will happen in the Boruto manga, please start reading it now.
Do you understand now ? even if Naruto and Sakura are married to someone else there is always going to something that draws Sakura and Naruto together and that's the message Kishimoto is trying to convey, Sakura will always be the woman Naruto will go to no matter what happens.
You said:"I disagree. Naruto loves paperwork more than people. It’s why Boruto is so pissed in Boruto (in the beginning anyway). So, I don’t think they’d converse. And since Sakura was fine and dandy with her husbands being AWOL for more than a decade and a non-entity in their daughter’s life, it’s hard to imagine she’d do anything about it."
FALSE! The paper work Naruto works on in his Hokage office ensures the survival of the PEOPLE of the leaf village, the paper work is for the people so I guess your argument gets thrown out the window,
But you are absolutely right that it gets Boruto pissed because apparently Naruto has time for everyone else even carrying grannies on his back except for his family, and this is whats killing Naruto's romantic relationship with Hinata dooming it to a horrible demise.
And this is NOT the facial expression of a wife who is fine and dandy with her husband going AWOL for more than a decade and a non entity in their daughter's life:
Again you are dismissing the "Read underneath the underneath" concept, these are all clear indications that the only reason SasuSaku was made cannon so that the NaruSaku ship can truly start, Sarada idolizing Naruto because their dreams are the same, Sakura being grateful to Naruto for taking care of her daughter while Sasuke wont, connect the dots man SasuSaku is NaruSaku in the making.
You said:"We have no idea if Naruto is interested in Neji’s grave. It’s not important. He didn’t attend the one time it was shown. Wasn’t that visit during the time his kid was defacing the Hokage monument?"
Well the fact that Naruto NEVER VISITS Neji's grave is a pretty good indicator that he isn't interested, And the fact that EVEN YOU are saying that Naruto didn't attend the one time it was shown clearly means you acknowledge that he isn't interested in visiting Neji's grave either but here you are saying "We have no idea if Naruto is interested in Neji's grave." 
You make perfect sense man!!
Now you are asking if it the visit was during the time Naruto's son Boruto was defacing the Hokage monument ? the fact that you are saying that you have no Idea if Naruto is interested in Neji's grave and asking if it was during the time Boruto defaced the Hokage monument clearly indicates that you didn't read chapter 700
You said:"You’re observations and theories are riddled with stuff like this. You read intent things that aren’t trying to send the message you claim. His non-attendance at a scene that wasn’t trying to convey the message you give it. You are reading the worst possible intent into scenes that are intended to send entirely different messages. There is nothing about the TONE of that scene that remotely suggests that it’s trying to send a message that Naruto doesn't give a rip about Neji’s grave."
Because based on the arguments you presented in this topic you lack observation skills and unable to see things beyond a shallow point of view, You don't have the ability to see hidden messages which is why you are unable to grasp a understanding of Kishimoto's "Read underneath the underneath" concept It is the key to fully understanding the plots of the Naruto Manga series as I said there is always a 2nd message and meaning to EACH plot in the Naruto manga series, The Naruto series might not be for you
And Naruto's NON-ATTENDANCE at that scene of Hinata and Himawari visiting Neji's grave WAS trying to convey the message that not only Naruto doesn't have time to spend with Hinata he doesn't share the same interest that she does Kishimoto is CLEARLY hinting to the readers that Naruto and Hinata ARE NOT a good match for each other but you won't see that because you lack the ability to see hidden messages
And how was that Scene intended to send a entirely different message ? that scene was clearly created to show that Naruto and Hinata are not closely together and the disparity between them, Again you can't see that Kishimoto is telling us that Naruto and Hinata just weren't meant to be even though Hinata wanted to marry Naruto
It's been hinted even at chapter 700 that Naruto and Hinata wasn't having a strong marriage, Not only that we didn't see them together in the epilogue or in the ongoing gaiden so far we have to take into account Himawari's words to her mom in front of Neji's grave in the epilogue (With Naruto and Boruto nowhere to be seen)
"Next time we can come together with big brother and daddy ??"
This implies the Uzumaki family never visits the grave together as such, Maybe because they are a shattered family with disconnected parents, They imply Himawari misses Boruto and maybe that she doesn't see her brother frequently, How is that possible if they're supposedly living together with their parents ? Heavy Heavy implications that their family doesn't connect as one, horrible marriage.
And how is there nothing about the TONE of that scene that remotely suggests that it’s trying to send a message that Naruto doesn't give a rip about Neji’s grave ? the fact that NARUTO ISN'T THERE and the fact that Himawari wants Naruto to come there with her and Hinata one day CLEARLY MEANS HE HASN'T SHOWN INTEREST IN COMING NEJI'S GRAVE IN THE PAST AND PRESENT AND QUITE LIKELY THE FUTURE IS A GOOD INDICATOR THAT NARUTO ISN'T INTERESTED IN VISITING NEJI'S GRAVE!!
And Naruto was married to Hinata and had the kids Boruto and Himawari LONG BEFORE he became Hokage so he had plenty more time PRIOR to becoming Hokage to visit Neji's grave but the fact that Himawari is saying "Next time we can come together with big brother and daddy" CLEARLY means he has NEVER visited Neji's grave with Hinata and Himawari which CLEARLY MEANS AGAIN THAT HE'S NOT INTERESTED!!!
You said:"Speaking of that…Naruto and Hinata could talk about…..NEJI!! They both knew him. They both liked him and he had an impact on their lives."
And so could Sasuke and Hinata talk about about Neji, because Sasuke and Hinata knows what it's like to lose a older brother who protected them and always made sure they were getting stronger, Sasuke and Hinata would have a mutual understanding with each other because of this and they would be able to talk about BOTH ITACHI AND NEJI as oppose to just Naruto and Hinata just talking about Neji, I hope you can see that Sasuke and Hinata have a deeper connection to each other than NarutoXHinata, Sasuke and Hinata just haven't realized it yet because they haven't had a chance to get close.
You said:"This is a somewhat amusing charge to hurl at SS and NH, given you’re a SH fan. If conversations with Sasuke and Hinata would be one-sided because of their non-responsive personality, what would SH ever talk about?"
Are we watching the same Naruto series ? Since when does Sasuke have a non-responsive personality ? please point to a time where Sasuke has never attacked physically or raged at someone verbally who insulted his clan, attacked his friends, or insulted his friends ? does "I will revive the Uchiha clan" quote of his ring a bell ? that is CLEARY a responsive action but here you are saying he has a Non-responsive personality ? if you don't know anything about Sasuke than just don't speak about him at all.
And the fact that i've pointed out above and many of my topics on these forums in the past that Sasuke and Hinata have experienced VERY SIMILAR life scenarios CLEARLY MEANS they would have a mutual understanding with eachother, WHEN TWO PEOPLE HAVE A MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING FOR EACH OTHER IT IS NEVER ONE SIDED IN THE RELATIONSHIP!!! LIKEWISE THEIR CONVERSATIONS WOULD NEVER BE ONE SIDED!!!
You said:"Yeah, it’s hard to imagine this going any better with Hinata. It doesn't show he’s a bad mate for Sakura, it shows he’s a bad mate for everyone. Which, in truth, he is. You think he’d stay for her anymore than Sakura? Especially considering that his reasons for doing so are rooted in his own need for penance."
ARE YOU FUUCKING KIDDING ME ?
ok now you are crossing the line, I don't take kindly to people who attack or insult my SasukeXHinata pairing
How the hell won't the conversations Sasuke and Hinata have be any better than the conversations Sasuke and Sakura have ?
There are plenty of things that Sasuke and Hinata can converse about, their conversations will hold much more weight than Sasuke and Sakura's conversations lets go over it:
As I've pointed out above Sasuke and Hinata have experienced similar life situations which AGAIN means THEY WOULD HAVE A MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING WITH EACH OTHER IF THEY EVER TALKED!!
If Sasuke And Hinata were at the Leaf Villages graveyard together instead of it being Sasuke And Sakura, both Sasuke and Hinata would be able to BOTH discuss how their lives were with their older brothers that they have lost which means they share the same exact pain WHICH CLEARLY MEANS THAT SASUKE AND HINATA'S CONVERSATIONS WILL BE MUCH BETTER AND MEANINGFUL THAN SASUKE AND SAKURA'S CONVERSATIONS, What sibling has Sakura lost ? therefore she wouldn't be able to truly understand Sasuke's pain like Hinata could, So if Sasuke and Hinata visit their deceased brothers gravestones daily they will ALWAYS have something to talk about with each other daily EVERYDAY that is one way that will keep them eternally close to each other. this means they will always be eternally connected because they share the same pain
And the fact that Both Sasuke and Hinata visits their brothers gravestones which BOTH of them coincidentally happens to be at the Leaf Villages graveyard Sasuke would inevitably stay with Hinata MUCH MORE THAN SAKURA BECAUSE UNLIKE SAKURA SASUKE AND HINATA CAN ACTUALLY DEVELOP A RELATIONSHIP OF COMPASSION AND UNDERSTANDING!!
You said:"One commonality does not a relationship make. After SH talked about that….what next? NH/SS both fought in the same war together. Why can’t they talk about that. The horrific nature of that war, is something they could discuss."
ARE YOU FUUCKING KIDDING ME ?
There are PLENTY of things Sasuke and Hinata can talk about with each other besides discussing about there deceased brothers lets go over it:
The Byakugan Can Evolve Into The Sharingan
The Byakugan can evolve into the Sharingan if the Byakugan user experiences extreme despair such as losing a important and loved person
Sasuke can spend time with Hinata and train her to teach her how to unlock the sharingan since he knows how it activates, But logically Hinata should have already unlocked the Sharingan after witnessing the death of her beloved brother Neji right in front of her but I guess Kishimoto forgot to give her the sharingan at that scene so i guess that was omitted, Kishimoto has shown many times to forget giving his characters eye powers,hence forgetting to give Boruto the byakugan
Yes Hinata should be able to unlock the Sharingan just like Hagoromo did, because Hinata is a decedent of Hamura who is the brother of Hagoromo who shares the same amount of Otsutsuki DNA since they were both born from the same mother (Kaguya) Since Hinata is a Hyuga who is a decedent of the Otsutsuki Clan branch that lived on the moon she should be almost pure Otsutsuki Because The Hyuga clan never married people outside of their clan so they mated with members of their clan preserving their Otsutsuki DNA so Since the Hyuga clan has the HIGHEST amount of Otsutsuki DNA Hinata should be able to unlock all of there abilities, the fact that she already has the Byakugan which is a Otsutsuki clan ability is evidence.
Even though the Kaguya/Hagoromo/Hamura arc was filler it was intended to give some lore on the origins of the Byakugan, Sharingan, And Rinnegan, And since it showed us that the Byakugan can evolve in the Sharingan that means Hinata is capable of Unlocking the Sharingan.
Also listen to Neji's words about the Origins of the Uchiha Clan
So if the Uchiha Clan originated from the Hyuga clan that would mean that the Uchiha were Hyuga's at one point meaning they originally had the Byakugan but later mutated into the Sharingan when they became Uchiha, this is evidence that the Byakugan can evolve into the Sharingan.
This also means that Sasuke would no longer be the last Uchiha with the Sharingan therefore meaning Hinata would have been the BETTER candidate to become Sasuke's Wife instead of Sakura
So this proves that their is PLENTY of things Sasuke and Hinata can talk about, Also Sasuke and Hinata fought in the same war together so they ALSO could talk about that to, especially since both of their older brothers died in that very same war.
You said:"Not to say, I’m high on either NH/SS. I hate them both. But your complaints can be turned right back on your own pairing, so it’s not very persuasive."
Isn't it ironic that you claim to not be "High" on either NaruHina or SasuSaku and hate them both, But yet you are going to great lengths to Debunk NaruSaku and SasuHina within this topic to make NaruHina and SasuSaku look better in comparison,
And no my complaints about NaruHina and SasuSaku not being compatible pairing fits CAN NOT BE TURNED RIGHT BACK ON MY OWN PAIRING SASUHINA because as I've said and proven above there are MUCH MORE reasons for NaruSaku and SasuHina to be together as romantic pairings compared to NaruHina and SasuSaku currently
You said:"I want to go to town on this so bad, but I cannot do so without getting into politics and I am not going to do that here."
Don't, Because politics are completely irrelevant in this topic
You said:"I will say this much though….I can’t imagine why guys would hate the Tsundere trope when they have to watch male characters get decked for minor, inconsequential, or, in some cases, no reason at all. It’s generally used as humor in anime, but I don’t find it funny."
Again... Tsundere trope is akin to feminism, and at least 70% of males worldwide HATE AND DESPISE feminism, for thousands of years since the dawn of mankind there has always been a social standard that the men are stronger and the women are weaker, that social order was arisen due to Women being significantly weaker physically and less intelligent than men it's scientifically proven but women do not want to accept that fact... so because of that women have been oppressed for thousands of years due to being viewed as the weaker Sex, but when women formed feminism which emboldens women to be a strong and independent woman that challenges the authority and dominance of the male gender, the balance of power is shifting women are beginning to gain more power than a man so when strong female anime characters are introduced it just reminds the male viewers that women are starting to rise to power
Women are able to accuse men of rape now in days and get away with it without any form of consequence, so when Sakura viciously and violently hits Naruto constantly without any sort or form of consequence or Naruto hitting her back in retaliation it is a swift reminder to male viewers that women can get away with anything and it's infuriating to watch,
This is according to the reasons from alot of males of why they hate Sakura and Tsundere female character types in general
You said:"Even the Naruto/Sakura moment that opens with this thread….why did she sucker punch him? She’s the one who brought up her romantic interest in Sasuke and he gets gut punched because she’s embarrassed about something EVERYONE knows about?"
Because at that moment Naruto and Sakura were walking together alone under a sun set which can be considered a romantic setting for a environment, Sakura was probably enjoying spending her time with Naruto during that walk but she had to hide that fact by giving the diversion that she still likes Sasuke, Sakura is known for not being honest with her feelings hence the fake confession she gave to Naruto, But he had to point out with his big mouth calling her out on her feelings for Sasuke, She really didn't want to talk about Sasuke she just wanted to give Naruto a Distraction to hide her true feelings Naruto ruined the moment and got punched for it, I'm not saying I like Sakura physically assaulting Naruto but that was clearly the reason why she hit him
Also you have to question, Why is Naruto spending so much time with Sakura ? this filler arc is suppose to animate the "Sasuke Shiden" Novel and the Novel takes place during the time Naruto was RECENTLY married to Hinata, Surely if Naruto was TRUELY CONCERNED about Hinata's feelings for him he would have known and felt that spending time with another woman (Sakura) would make her sad and jealous, this heavily implies that Hinata's feelings are not that big of a importance to Naruto.
No matter what happens to Naruto and Sakura including who they marry, Naruto and Sakura will always be drawn to each other.
You said:"I don’t blame guys for not liking this, especially when many reasonably feel that if the situation were reverse, and it were played for humor like the Tsundere frequently is, people would be outraged. But when it’s the dood getting decked we are supposed to go, AHAHA, how funny! They must hate this stuff because their a bunch of sexist kitten!"
This relates back to feminism, I will tell you right now, A man has EVERY right to hit a woman back if she hits him first, if you want to act like a man you get treated like one, If a woman hits a man first that means she is challenging that man to a fight and if you challenge a person to a fight that means you are accepting the conditions of the fight which includes accepting the physical strength advantage of a man, and if you don't want to be hit by a man then why challenge one to a fight ? that will put you in unnecessary danger that wont end well for you
And you better not hold back ANY strength when fighting a woman because you need to let them know the difference between the genders so that the woman who assaulted you first will be demoralized from striking you again.
I don't get outraged when I see a man and a woman fight, because I am a professionally trained fighter and we are taught that strength isn't the only factor in a fight
Any person who gets outraged when they see a man hit a woman back in retaliation for hitting him first needs to be beaten to a bloody pulp, because when we make women feel they can get away with anything that will only promote more crime among the women gender, women will be like "I can hit a man but they can't hit me back ? cool! let me hit who ever the hell I want even OLD men but they wont hit me back or defend themselves from me because I'm a girl!" When you don't give someone consequences that will only embolden them to commit more crime and wrong doings because they think nothing will happen to them.
You said:"For me, it’s a piece of a character so I don’t necessarily hate Tsundere’s and, at least for manga Sakura, it’s such a small part of her character it has no impact on me. But from what I here, anime Sakura is much worse."
Your right on this one, Sakura's violent tenancies are a small part of her character manga wise, Because Sakura has only hit Naruto once in the Manga the Anime is whats making her look like a Violent enraged ape that attacks anything over the slightest provocation, Studio Pierrot has drastically altered and exaggerated her Violent personality for a reason still unknown to this day,
But I will tell you that the altercation and exaggeration Studio Pierrot made to Sakura's violent personality is beneficial to the NaruSaku pairing, Because in many cultures in the world a woman hitting a man when he makes a mistake is viewed as a sign of deep affection and love for that male because the woman couldn't bear to see something horrible happen to that man, So it's telling alot of the viewers that Sakura deeply cares for Naruto more than anything else, Sasuke has committed FAR worse atrocities than Naruto so why doesn't Sakura hit him if she's supposedly in love with him ? See there you go this is a indication that Sakura's feelings for Naruto are MUCH stronger.
You said:"Yeah, somehow I don’t see the battle of the sexes being impacted regardless of how those pairings turn out."
??? Hell yes the battle of sexes are being impacted by the NaruHina and SasuSaku pairing, Do you have any Idea how much Women in the world are pissed that NaruHina and SasuSaku happened ? Because NaruHina and SasuSaku are completely against everything feminism stands for lets go over it:
NaruHina
It represents the working husband and submissive and subservient wife relationship where a woman bends to a mans every will and obeys his every command, Such as Naruto telling Hinata to stay at home all day and raise the kids while he gets to freely roam around the world and do as he pleases burdening her with all of the work and she is completely ok with it! And many woman now in days are against that relationship dynamic woman want to ascend beyond that of being the nurturer gender they want the same rights and privilages as a man so NaruHina is very unpopular amoung women world wide especially in Japan where the women there are fighting for equal rights which is also apart of the reason why NaruHina is doing deplorably horrible in the Naruto pairing pollings Japan.
SasuSaku
It represents the abusive domestic violence relationship where a woman is suppose to stay by a mans side NO MATTER how much the man physically abuses and assaults the woman, the woman has no mind or will of her own she only exist to to belong to the man and take what ever he gives to here physical abuse included, SasuSasu is hated MUCH WORSE than NaruHina, Because in the past and even to this day women have been physically abused by their spouses for often times no reason at all, So when Sasuke physically abuses Sakura it is a swift reminder of those abusive relationships, Some women viewers might even be in a relationship like that so it is clear why this relationship isn't popular amoung women, Because this will make women worry some if they would ever be in a relationship like that one day
However many men like NaruHina and SasuSaku because it represents male dominance, so there is like a faction of male Naruto fans (Dominant Males), and a faction of female Naruto fans (Feminist) both debating on both sides of why NaruHina and SasuSaku should and should have not happen which is clearly a battle of the sexes.
You said:"Given that Boruto is about him and his relationships, I’m not holding my breath."
You are absolutely wrong!
According to Ukyo Kodachi And Masashi Kishimoto the writers of the Boruto story plot, the new Boruto manga series will revolve around the story of the protagonist Boruto and HYUGA PRINCESS HINATA, both Boruto and Hinata are being Hinted to be the main characters of this storyline, Here is the report given BY Kishimoto and Ukyo Kodachi:
http://www.vinerepor...ninjas/9377.htm
Boruto is half Hyuga with hyuga abilities such as the byakugan, and what better person to train him with the Hyuga techs and considered amoung the strongest of the Hyuga ? his mother Hinata that means that he will have a trainer in addition to his other one Sasuke, this could inevitably cause Sasuke and Hinata to cross paths because they both spend time to train him and and they can train Boruto together and thus Sasuke and Hinata can establish a relationship footing from there :)
Do you understand by now ? Naruto Part 2 (Shippuden) was about the Sharingan development Now Naruto Part 3 (Boruto Manga) is about the Byakugan development, Sasuke was the main antagonist of Naruto Part 2 (Shippuden) and Naruto and Sakura had to team up to bring him to the good side, Now in Naruto Part 3 (Boruto Manga) Naruto is going to be the main antagonist and now Sasuke and Hinata is going to team up to bring him back to the good side, it is heavily implied that Naruto is going to be the final villain of the Boruto manga after all the theme of the Boruto manga is Boruto surpassing his father.
You said:"No.
It’s probably because the story is about Boruto and the main area the writer’s are trying to explore are Boruto’s crappy relationship with his dad and Boruto’s relationship with Sasuke. I wouldn't expect much NH action in a movie or manga that isn’t about them or their relationship. This is the kind of stuff I mean, about reading the worst possible interpretation into something that is trying to convey something totally different. The lack of NH focus CAN be for reasons beyond what you suggest. There is a much simpler explanation beyond your convoluted theories.
Are you familiar with the concept Occam’s Razor?"
Again... the Boruto manga is being progressed by the current terrible state the NaruHina and SasuSaku "Romantic" relationships are, You are absolutely right the writer's of the Boruto manga are trying to explore Boruto's crappy relationship with his dad and Boruto's relationship with Sasuke, that's one of the Key signs of how this manga is progressing you have to see and understand where the progression is leading, it's pretty obvious where it's leading to, Boruto will cut ties with his real biological father in exchange for a new one who actually is similar to him (Sasuke) And it has been stated that Himawari loves spending time with her older brother (Boruto) which means that she will be spending alot of time with Boruto AND Sasuke and Hinata seems to love spending time with her daughter Himawari which means she will be spending time with Boruto, Himawari, And Sasuke, the new relationship will be Sasuke, Boruto, Himawari, And Hinata, this is where the manga is leading, the Uzumaki family is going their separate ways from Naruto whilst Naruto is going his separate ways from his family to raise and train Sarada with Sakura, I've clarified this so many times but yet you either don't understand or just don't like how NaruSaku will be done in the Boruto manga
And definitely do NOT expect much NaruHina action in the Boruto manga chapters, because it's finished their relationship is falling apart as shown in the Boruto manga and the Boruto movie, Naruto and Hinata live very different lives their professions in life makes no room for a family life as shown this is the message Kishimoto is trying to convey: (What you want is not always best for you) meaning even though Hinata wanted Naruto, Naruto just isn't around to satisfy her so it's not the marriage she envisioned, this parallels with Sakura
Even though Sasuke and Hinata will get very close to each other in the Boruto manga they probably wont have a child together because Sasuke would probably say something along the lines like this to Boruto "Boruto I love your mother but were not going to have a child together because your the best Son I could ever ask for and Himawari is the best daughter Hinata could ever ask for" But it's very obvious that at the end of the Boruto manga Boruto and Sarada will marry each other and be the ones to give birth to the very first Byakusharingan child
This is clearly the interpretation of the message Kishimoto is trying to convey to the readers of the Boruto manga, The families of NaruHina and SasuSaku are breaking apart, each member of these 2 families are going their separate ways, which is Boruto no longer staying by Naruto's side and will now stay by Sasuke's side, And Sarada is no longer staying by Sasuke's side and will now stay by Naruto's side, it's pretty obvious that they are and it was implied that they are at the end of (Boruto Naruto the Movie) Where Boruto wants to be a Ninja just Like Sasuke and Sarada said she wants to be a Ninja just like Naruto, 
This is clearly the reason why their is a lack of focus with the NaruHina relationship because in the Boruto manga it's back to NaruSaku focus, because I will repeat once again, Boruto is the key to SasukeXHinata happening, And Sarada is the key to NarutoXSakura happening, It is very simple explanation of how NaruSaku and SasuHina will happen in the Boruto manga, and if you still find this convoluted then well I don't know how else to explain it because this is seemingly the only highly possible way NaruSaku and SasuHina will happen in the Boruto manga.
You said:"Still don’t know why he needed to show that to make NS/SH. If he did, still dunno why he didn’t do it in the manga and before they got married and had kids. It’s much easier on everyone to do it that way. Makes no sense to make multiple properties to do something that could have been done quicker, easier, and cleaner in the manga."
Because Kishimoto is trying to convey this message to the readers "What you want is not always the best thing for you" Third segment (Boruto Manga) is not about Sakura getting to Naruto, it's about Sakura learning to compare what is to live with Sasuke and see how different it is to being with Naruto and wishing it was Naruto not Sasuke..As well for Hinata to realize that even if she gotten Naruto she is no where near to reaching him..Its more realizing they are with the wrong person even though they wanted them.. and this is why Kishimoto is showing this to sakura and hinata because he wants to show Sakura that Naruto was best for her all long, And Kishimoto wants to show Hinata that Sasuke was best for her all along, why do you think Kishimoto is having Sasuke and Hinata spend time in the Boruto manga ? because he wants Hinata to learn more about Sasuke so that she can compare what it is to be with him instead of Naruto
And Kishimoto is doing it in the Manga, the Boruto manga is just a continuation OF THE NARUTO MANGA! is it not ? and like I said he wanted Naruto to marry Hinata and have kids with her and he wanted Sasuke to marry Sakura and have kids with her because again he wants Sakura to compare what it is to live with Sasuke and see how different it is to being with Naruto and wishing it was Naruto and not Sasuke, Part of the premise of Naruto Part 2 (Naruto Shippuden) was for Hinata and Sakura to get the man that they always wanted, And Naruto Part 3 (Boruto Manga) will be about Hinata and Sakura learning about the consequences of the men that they chose to marry hence the message Kishimoto wants to convey "What you want is not always the best thing for you"
The popularity is what is making the Naruto story line so extended and prolonged, Us the Naruto fans are to blame because we are making this Anime series so profitable that we are giving Kishimoto and Studio Pierrot compelling reason to milk the series as a cash cow, if the Naruto series wasn't so Popular the Naruto story would have ended quicker and easier without the need of multiple properties, but regardless how the story is being prolonged it is being lead to the ending of what we wanted all along NaruSaku.
but regardless it's still examples of Hinata being able to speak her mind.
