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[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Even though he is not real, the one I feel sorry for the most is Naruto who probably got the worst part of it all. I'm sorry, Naruto. If i could change it all for you I would because unlike everyone else in your life, all I ever wanted was your happiness. I wanted you to get everything because you earned it the most.

 

James... You took the words outta my mouth, bro! YOU ROCK!!! I will gladly stand by you for sure!

[luffyq1]

Then we shall walk together. Side by side. They can call us names or accuse of it all, but at least we won't be alone. I least I have someone who feels the same as I do about this. I love the series and I love Naruto too much to allow this to be it.

Everyone else can argue over what is the "right things to do," but I don't care. We threw away the "right thing to do" when people started being more selfish about love and honor.

Even though he is not real, the one I feel sorry for the most is Naruto who probably got the worst part of it all. I'm sorry, Naruto. If i could change it all for you I would because unlike everyone else in your life, all I ever wanted was your happiness. I wanted you to get everything because you earned it the most.

having a loving wife, two beautiful children and being an hokage who gets to spend the days in his office eating ramen and surfing the internet. james, i don't see how that's bad at all. naruto is living the life. i'm happy for the guy.

[Michi]

Yeah, I just want this movie to be over with so I can move on with my life lol.

Naruto, you kittened up my life.

[Princess Iris]

having a loving wife, two beautiful children and being an hokage who gets to spend the days in his office eating ramen and surfing the internet. james, i don't see how that's bad at all. naruto is living the life. i'm happy for the guy.

So he is happy that Sakura is not happy
(probably)

PS: I really don't get whether u liked the ending or not ....
I always get confused that U r on which side

Edited by Princess Iris, 15 November 2014 - 07:15 PM.

[tricksie]

 

Keep in mind you arent walking that road alone James, I myself am still battling with where I stand when it comes with my overall feelings of the story. I acknowledge the ending, I have come to terms with how it ended, but like you I won't accept it because do to so makes me feel like I'm settling for less. I really did enjoy Naruto, but now I know that some of the things I loved about apparently weren't there. The author basically told me that It's my fault as a reader for supporting NS. All my disappointment in the last two chapters is all on me and I should just realize that my expectations for a great manga were far too high. I need to get over and accept the lackluster ending because it's canon. No, just no. If this is the case I feel that I'm a bigger Naruto fan for not accepting it. I will uphold the morals it had up until the end.

 

After reading the interview, it definitely seemed like Kishimoto was happy and that this is what he planned all along. It definitely put the blame on the NS fan for seeing something that wasn't there. I did feel awful for a little while, like I was a fool for even thinking it could end NS, but...

 

Kishimoto is selling a lie. It's a lie perpetrated by someone who has a lot of money invested in selling NH and SS as the real ending. There's a movie coming out, a cd, figurines, and who knows what else (jewelry, t-shirts and bags all come time mind). And after that, another spin off with the kids, with undoubtedly more anime and merch attached to that. 

 

Hinata has never been a first-tier character. She had no development and no stated goals other than gaining Naruto's attention. And it never worked. Naruto never thought of her that way. Ever. Proof? He told his dead father Sakura was his girfriend. 

 

The last two chapters and everything that comes after will always be driven by sales, never by story development or author's intent. Never. For me, the story ended at 698. In fact, I have a theory that Kishimoto kept writing the script as NS until the end (even with the movie in the works), then slapped on the ending to make it go towards NH. He didn't even bother to develop the pairing in his manga because those were going to be expanded on by other people in the anime/movie studio. He just wrote the ending they wanted and took the check.

 

And @James, yes, Naruto is ultimately the one who lost out. Kishimoto sold his story out.

 

We're the fans most loyal to Naruto, because we wanted what he wanted, and never wavered from that. We didn't get it wrong. Instead the story didn't do right by us or by Naruto. KonohaKitten, I'm right there with you.

 

One day in the future, after the success of the movie and the spin off is not at stake, we will hear from Kishimoto in an interview and he will admit that the pairing was to be Naruto/Sakura. From the beginning.

 

That will be the confession I'm waiting for.

[alexander]

I don't think he would ever openly admit it Tricksie. Kishimoto would literally kill his own career by admiting he deviated from his original work in order to please his supperiors and make more money. What kind of credibility and self respect an person has when they sell out their own ideals to make an profit? No... He will stay quiet. He wouldn't dare to shoot himself in the foot like that.

[Qia]

The person I actually feel the most sorry for is Sakura...and I'm not saying this just as a Sakura fan...but as a young girl who completely understands how hard it is to let go of someone you love, and someone who just identifies herself with her.  The part that's killing me about this though is that, in the end, she was never able to stand up for herself against her abuser. I wanted that for her so badly. But...the author placed his feelings before hers, and she ends up making kids for him instead. The thought has popped in my mind ever since the end of the manga, and I'm not sure how long it's going to take me to get over it. As much as I've been told that I should be happy for her because she must be...I  can;t be happy for her. I can't be happy for her because, in real life, someone in her situation would probably not be able to move on from the fact that the person that they loved didn't care if they died or not. The person in that situation would not be as comfortable as it was put forward in the manga. 

 

And then throughout the manga for her to constantly get the short end of the stick even though she's the heroine. The thought just hurts me very deeply...and I don't know how long it's going to take me to completely move on tbh. 

Edited by Qia, 15 November 2014 - 07:24 PM.

[Princess Iris]

 
After reading the interview, it definitely seemed like Kishimoto was happy and that this is what he planned all along. It definitely put the blame on the NS fan for seeing something that wasn't there. I did feel awful for a little while, like I was a fool for even thinking it could end NS, but...
 
Kishimoto is selling a lie. It's a lie perpetrated by someone who has a lot of money invested in selling NH and SS as the real ending. There's a movie coming out, a cd, figurines, and who knows what else (jewelry, t-shirts and bags all come time mind). And after that, another spin off with the kids, with undoubtedly more anime and merch attached to that. 
 
Hinata has never been a first-tier character. She had no development and no stated goals other than gaining Naruto's attention. And it never worked. Naruto never thought of her that way. Ever. Proof? He told his dead father Sakura was his girfriend. 
 
The last two chapters and everything that comes after will always be driven by sales, never by story development or author's intent. Never. For me, the story ended at 698. In fact, I have a theory that Kishimoto kept writing the script as NS until the end (even with the movie in the works), then slapped on the ending to make it go towards NH. He didn't even bother to develop the pairing in his manga because those were going to be expanded on by other people in the anime/movie studio. He just wrote the ending they wanted and took the check.
 
And @James, yes, Naruto is ultimately the one who lost out. Kishimoto sold his story out.
 
We're the fans most loyal to Naruto, because we wanted what he wanted, and never wavered from that. We didn't get it wrong. Instead the story didn't do right by us or by Naruto. KonohaKitten, I'm right there with you.
 
One day in the future, after the success of the movie and the spin off is not at stake, we will hear from Kishimoto in an interview and he will admit that the pairing was to be Naruto/Sakura. From the beginning.
 
That will be the confession I'm waiting for.

yeah I felt like that too when I saw that interview

[Michi]

The person I actually feel the most sorry for is Sakura...and I'm not saying this just as a Sakura fan...but as a young girl who completely understands how hard it is to let go of someone you love, and someone who just identifies herself with her.  The part that's killing me about this though is that, in the end, she was never able to stand up for herself against her abuser. I wanted that for her so badly. But...the author placed his feelings before hers, and she ends up making kids for him instead. The thought has popped in my mind ever since the end of the manga, and I'm not sure how long it's going to take me to get over it. As much as I've been told that I should be happy for her because she must be...I  can;t be happy for her. I can't be happy for her because, in real life, someone in her situation would probably not be able to move on from the fact that the person that they loved didn't care if they died or not. The person in that situation would not be as comfortable as it was put forward in the manga. 
 
And then throughout the manga for her to constantly get the short end of the stick even though she's the heroine. The thought just hurts me very deeply...and I don't know how long it's going to take me to completely move on tbh. 

everything right here just... on point.

brb, crying.

[Tiller]

Guys the truth is we don't need to love Kishimoto. We don't need to kiss the ground he walks on, or pretend he is perfect. We can enjoy the aspects of the world he created, without having to believe all the BS he is feeding everyone else. That's what I'm doing. I'm enjoying what I want from this story and rejecting the rest.

 

Don't really care what anyone else thinks, I'm not here to kiss Kishimoto's ass. He made a lot of mistakes, long before this ending.

[tricksie]

I don't think he would ever openly admit it Tricksie. Kishimoto would literally kill his own career by admiting he deviated from his original work in order to please his supperiors and make more money. What kind of credibility and self respect an person has when they sell out their own ideals to make an profit? No... He will stay quiet. He wouldn't dare to shoot himself in the foot like that.

 

I was thinking like with JK Rowling admitting that HarryxHermione would have been well suited or better suited.

 

Kishimoto set up an ending specifically to shock. He's going to be asked about it for a long time to come, especially if he starts to do  other projects.

 

You're right though, I don't think he'll say anything opening about it now, not with everything coming out. It absolutely would be shooting himself in the foot and killing off the buzz he's worked so hard to create. But one day I bet it will come out that the manga could have easily gone a different way.

[TsukiChan ♥]

I have a great plan..

what if link_papa saw the reactions of most of the naruto fans that disliked the ending? and saw the death threats and mean things NH and SS fans did to a lof of people?

[Princess Iris]

.. since, he was directing to NS fans,
I said ..same might have been SS/NH's reaction if the ending were NS

[LuckyChi7]

I don't think he would ever openly admit it Tricksie. Kishimoto would literally kill his own career by admiting he deviated from his original work in order to please his supperiors and make more money. What kind of credibility and self respect an person has when they sell out their own ideals to make an profit? No... He will stay quiet. He wouldn't dare to shoot himself in the foot like that.

 

Let's not forget JK rowling admited that Harry and Hermione should've gotten together. Even though there hints of Ron and Hermione, I think it would've made sense for Harry and Hermione to get together. So not getting anyone's hopes up, but she openly said it then there's a chance Kishi could do the same thing with Naruto and Sakura. 

[TsukiChan ♥]

.. since, he was directing to NS fans,
I said ..same might have been SS/NH's reaction if the ending were NS

 

But less people would call BS on that ending

It's so obvious from the beginning that it was gonna be NS

This is the first shonen I've seen where the hero doesn't get with the girl he actually wants and is badass, instead get with the irrelevant Mary Sue character that loves him for 0 reasons

 

its been what? a week? and I still feel as though the ending was kitten, sorry people who are getting used to it, but I won't ever get used to it

 

It's always Hinata to SP and now even the ending is messed up :/ I dont get it whats so good about her?

[James S Cassidy]

 

James... You took the words outta my mouth, bro! YOU ROCK!!! I will gladly stand by you for sure!

Thanks, but I am no more amazing than you.
 

 

The person I actually feel the most sorry for is Sakura...and I'm not saying this just as a Sakura fan...but as a young girl who completely understands how hard it is to let go of someone you love, and someone who just identifies herself with her.  The part that's killing me about this though is that, in the end, she was never able to stand up for herself against her abuser. I wanted that for her so badly. But...the author placed his feelings before hers, and she ends up making kids for him instead. The thought has popped in my mind ever since the end of the manga, and I'm not sure how long it's going to take me to get over it. As much as I've been told that I should be happy for her because she must be...I  can;t be happy for her. I can't be happy for her because, in real life, someone in her situation would probably not be able to move on from the fact that the person that they loved didn't care if they died or not. The person in that situation would not be as comfortable as it was put forward in the manga. 

 

And then throughout the manga for her to constantly get the short end of the stick even though she's the heroine. The thought just hurts me very deeply...and I don't know how long it's going to take me to completely move on tbh. 

I think me and you have something in common, Qia. We know how it feels to be them. You for Sakura and me for Naruto. I can't relate to Sakura all that much because...well, I am a male. I am not a female and I am not even going to try and begin to understand. That is fine by me. I am not sexist or anything, just know that we are different. For Naruto, though, I see a lot of myself him and maybe that is why I feel like...Naruto isn't happy.

I feel like people are lying to me saying that Naruto is happy with the ending of this manga. I just feel like this isn't what he really wanted. He kind of just...forced into this situation. Now this movie is going to make it worse for him and it almost seems like he has no control. Everything doesn't feel right.

Do you feel the same for Sakura?
 

 

After reading the interview, it definitely seemed like Kishimoto was happy and that this is what he planned all along. It definitely put the blame on the NS fan for seeing something that wasn't there. I did feel awful for a little while, like I was a fool for even thinking it could end NS, but...

 

Kishimoto is selling a lie. It's a lie perpetrated by someone who has a lot of money invested in selling NH and SS as the real ending. There's a movie coming out, a cd, figurines, and who knows what else (jewelry, t-shirts and bags all come time mind). And after that, another spin off with the kids, with undoubtedly more anime and merch attached to that. 

 

Hinata has never been a first-tier character. She had no development and no stated goals other than gaining Naruto's attention. And it never worked. Naruto never thought of her that way. Ever. Proof? He told his dead father Sakura was his girfriend. 

 

The last two chapters and everything that comes after will always be driven by sales, never by story development or author's intent. Never. For me, the story ended at 698. In fact, I have a theory that Kishimoto kept writing the script as NS until the end (even with the movie in the works), then slapped on the ending to make it go towards NH. He didn't even bother to develop the pairing in his manga because those were going to be expanded on by other people in the anime/movie studio. He just wrote the ending they wanted and took the check.

 

And @James, yes, Naruto is ultimately the one who lost out. Kishimoto sold his story out.

 

We're the fans most loyal to Naruto, because we wanted what he wanted, and never wavered from that. We didn't get it wrong. Instead the story didn't do right by us or by Naruto. KonohaKitten, I'm right there with you.

 

One day in the future, after the success of the movie and the spin off is not at stake, we will hear from Kishimoto in an interview and he will admit that the pairing was to be Naruto/Sakura. From the beginning.

 

That will be the confession I'm waiting for.

I don't know, Tricksie. I don't feel like I can trust anything Kishimoto says anymore because looking back a good 80% of everything he said never seemed to happen at all. Yeah, we got some things, but others...I don't know. Whatever happened to all the stuff he said? What happened to Sakura being the heroine or getting her own arc? What happened to Shinachiku? What happened to a lot of things? He didn't even keep his promise of revealing Kakashi's face.

I don't know if I can ever trust what Kishimoto says anymore and if he does say something I am going to expect the opposite from him. He could say in interviews that he was happy with the ending, but how can I trust that THAT was the truth? I don't even know anymore and that is what is disturbing me the most. I almost want the Naruto fandom to rise up and take back the manga for ourselves making a world wide multiple ending that let's everyone win. It feels like Kishimoto is telling "You have dreams? Well, give up. You're never going to get everything you want so settle for whatever you can get. Whatever makes other happy is your own concern."

Maybe one day, kishimoto would admit in hindsight. Maybe not, but either way I can not and will not accept the ending as it is. People can say what they want, but all they can use is words.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Thanks, but I am no more amazing than you.

 

Dude, I'm not at your level, James. X-D 

[Princess Iris]

 
But less people would call BS on that ending
It's so obvious from the beginning that it was gonna be NS
This is the first shonen I've seen where the hero doesn't get with the girl he actually wants and is badass, instead get with the irrelevant Mary Sue character that loves him for 0 reasons
 
its been what? a week? and I still feel as though the ending was bullsh**, sorry people who are getting used to it, but I won't ever get used to it
 
It's always Hinata to SP and now even the ending is messed up :/ I dont get it whats so good about her?

well I think in the experiment to do something differrnt he did this

just to make people laugh hard at him

and SP loves Hinata

they devote her ..I really feel like I can see a Hinata temple in that studio

[Tiller]

I'm not a watcher of the anime, but looking at some things on youtube I found this and thought it was about right. A few changes and it could answer the question about the ending really well.

 

[James S Cassidy]

 

Dude, I'm not at your level, James. X-D 

Nah, you are at my level. You just have to see it. I am no better than anyone else here and I rather it be that way. I am not some god or all knowing power. I am just like you. A person who feels and loves just the same.

If you want, stand on shoulders and be higher.