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[sushi.]

Apparently there are two ways to bring a character back;

 

+ Edo tensei

+ Flashback

 

 

I'm tired of those, in fact I want to see a glimpse of the afterlife.

[deviouslyChaotic]

I think if anything Minato will be about to disappear and say in his thoughts something like "You'll be happy Kushina, he followed your advice."

 

 

EDIT:

bolded, I think it's already reached that point. Just considering all the hints Kishi has made and all the development NaruSaku has it's just too much in my opinion to mean anything else.

 

The ONLY way I can see NaruSaku not happening is if Sakura dies and Naruto must learn to overcome his pain and not try to put the entire world under a genjutsu. and then maybe some kind of lesson about learning to move on. But if you ask me, that's a bit too f'd up for a shonen manga.

Bolded. Yess I want that to happen so badly. It's not too farfetched and I think Kishi can smoothly incorporate something like that in the manga.

Anyway, I agree with everything that you stated. You made some good points :).

 

People read too much Hinata biased sites like Narutopedia and such , there it stays written that Kishimoto never intended Sakura to be the main character but grew found of her , which is total lie , but what can you do?

If crying makes you weak than all humans are weak ... IF you are crying that means that you were tough too long ...

 

Everybody cries , everybody lies , everybody dies.. That is what makes us human ....

Yeah, you're right. There is nothing you can do about what they think of Sakura, unfortunately. They believe what they believe and no one's going to change their mind otherwise.

 

Bolded. This. ThIS. SO MUCH THIS. It's natural to cry. I don't blame Sakura for crying--she has been through a lot! I think people need ot put themselves in her shoes. If they were in any of the situations that Sakura was in, they'd be crying too  .

 

Apparently there are two ways to bring a character back;

 

+ Edo tensei

+ Flashback

 

 

I'm tired of those, in fact I want to see a glimpse of the afterlife.

Hahahaha! I feel your pain.

[T XD]

Does anyone see Minato and Naruto have one more talk about love, such as advice or good wish (take care of her) or something?

I think he'll say something to Naruto concerning Naruto himself then probably something regarding Sakura.

[arian_rad]

Zu zu zu zuuun!!!

This looks absolutely incredible. When someone like you exists for a certain ship it makes everything better. Jesus that looks good. Thanks for the amazing art again!

[arian_rad]

Does anyone see Minato and Naruto have one more talk about love, such as advice or good wish (take care of her) or something?

I think it will either come in a teasing moment for there to be some comedy to it, or while he is going to the afterlife, he has another thought about the two like he did when he thought that Sakura is eerily similar to kushina.

[Slextrem]

Zu zu zu zuuun!!!

 

LadyGT, Y U DO DIS?

 

Edited by Slextrem, 06 August 2013 - 04:41 PM.

[redragon88]

Zu zu zu zuuun!!!

 

Perfection

[DattebayoXShannaro]

 

The main issue with Sakura and Hinata is 2 fold on kishi's part, he missed opportunities to make Sakura better than he did and for Hinata he could have just expanded the story. Though there is fault for his missed time on Sakura, he missed a lot more with Hinata. I'll explain:

 

Sakura: As the heroine, kishi has used Sakura but the degree he could have used her could have been better. Sakura did have increments of growth in part 1 and he did make good on her development in the start of part 2. Sakura was able to display her abilities and she got a major fight. However in the time she has spent onscreen, it became apparent that Sakura is a mentally driven character predominant while her physical development is secondary. Basically there were times when he could have given Sakura more attention, kinda like the early parts of part 2, with the kazekage rescue and sasuke and sai arcs. There was plenty of situations in which he could have given Sakura some physical driven development beyond Sasori. A fight between her and Kabuto would have been great back in the Sasuke and Sai arc. Another chance was for her own training back in the time Naruto was learning wind style. One of the biggest opportunities was also in the war for her to face Chiyo if it came to that. Sakura has had some great moments beyond Sasori, that is true I mean nailing the centipede in the pain arc, busting the white zetsu, and now demolishing a horde of jubbi spawn and both summoning katsuyu and healing people, she has had good moments but if anything Sakura's predominant traits for her development are mentally driven, basically her actions tend to flow with the story, this is apparent from major events like Sasuke getting the curse mark, Naruto saving her from Gaara, Sasuke running away, Naruto making the promise, her getting stronger for her team 7, the burdens and curses both her teammates faced, Sasuke's actions, the land of iron, resolving to help Naruto in the fight against obito. More or less her mental development and outlook towards the effects and actions on/caused too others, mainly team 7, is what her character is about. This is also a bit logical in a sense as Sakura was created to be the human element of team 7, this includes human weakness and emotional events. As in what was she the normal girl with no losses or inherited powers to do in a team where her 2 teammates had suffered loss and loneliness? There were times kishi could have done more with Sakura to give her more time kinda like he gave Naruto screentime for 3 training sessions while Sasuke was just given the myangeko on the fly during other fights and Sakura's herself occurred as a work in progress from the timeskip. But overall she has not been bad in other means. Heroes and Heroines do not need to be all powerhouses and able to wreak mountains, I mean now Sakura is able to shake the earth greatly and patch up many people at once, but she has been good where it counts, fulfilling the humanity she was made to represent. If it were not for anime or fillers, she would have not had some extended scenes for fighting which is at least a benefit in some aspects here (this can apply to any and all characters kinda like Asuma in the sora arc before he was axed off he really only had a small scuffle with the sound nin before they tried to kill Shikamaru and had a short encounter with Kisame, his only real fights were against Hidan who he dies against and against his own team as en edo tensei zombie but that had story purpose too.) Even then Sakura is I would say as a character who has developed over the story is 80% mentally built, 20% physically built, this is due to her events in the manga, but she still has her moments where it counts in both of them. She is definitely a mentally driven heroine but still has her own physical aspects that make her notable. Also as a side note, yes many felt her powerup was a quick random occurrence, it was not, it had a purpose, the Sannin deadlock. No matter how strong or weak Tsunade seemed to ororchimaru or Jiraya, they all had their ups and downs on each other, Kishi confirms this. I mean we see Tsunade the most in the series out of any Sannin. Sakura is able to use kage level power now, not as much as Naruto or Sasuke, but she still has her purpose to be a force of her own, this includes healing knowledge as a medical ninja. Her powerup serves a purpose, to keep that Sannin deadlock theme alive. But in all, Sakura is a good character, a mentally driven heroine who you see growing up as the story moves on, she moves from being a pure daydreaming child with no talents to a serious and committed ninja who gains respect for others and others gain respect for her peers over her mastery of medical and chakra enhanced strength.

 

Hinata: Hinata as a character, while the backstory is easily understood and the plot was able to be expanded. It never was. In the same way Kishi missed opportunities of physical growth for Sakura, There were cases where he missed Hinata entirely. The deal with Hinatas growth compared to Sakura's is, its limited. Hers is very very limited. There have been cases when Sakura has been sidelined but for Hinata, those times of being sidelined are even greater. Remember the time Sakura was basically sidelined during the Return of Itachi and search for Tsunade arc? She came back in the following when Sasuke defected, this brought forth the important promise of a lifetime scene and gave her growth in which she saw Naruto as a full friend. Hinata though, her time of importance was in the chunin exams and the moment Naruto finished pummeling Neji, that importance would end until she made another scene in the pain arc. As a side character yes Hinata is naturally not going to be expected to have as much as screentime as Sakura, the problem here though is, whenever Sakura was missing or out of the picture, it was like 3X the length for Hinata. Even then there are other side characters who have had much more important reoccuring roles that notably impact or influence others like Naruto or others significantly more then her. Characters like Shikamaru, Tsunade, Gaara, even Bee and Nagato have had more impact on Naruto than Hinata and they appear even less.  Bee spent a whole lot of time with Naruto which was important in how they could relate and also how they had the same ideals for those they cared about. Nagato even, for his one fight with Naruto and then minor sealing upon re meeting, you find that Naruto focuses on Nagato more than Hinata during the events between her defense and Nagato's story. The problem with Hinata is she had the set-up for a story which could have been expanded, could have grown into something more but she became less important in the long run. Hinata's only real correlation characters were Naruto and Neji. Shino and Kiba were her teammates but their development likewise is limited, yet you still see Kiba at least getting a fair amount of attention even for a guy with just 1 battle. The story of the Hyuga was present and open for expansion but this storyline basically ended when the Sage of the 6 paths was introduced. The Byuakgun no longer had a place of central importance in the storyline as it once could have. Neji appeared more than Hinata herself as well, his story was given a good driven path of former foe to good friend. But in terms of lasting roles, Hinata misses about 300 or so chapters of importance between the time the chunin exam fight again neji ends and until her event in the pain arc. Even then that involvement just gets nearly forced to the back. We don't see any mention or reflection of it for a long time, only a short memory from when Naruto's clone saved her. Then we get 615 but again, its quickly bypassed this time only Hinata remembering the event. I'm not speaking out of pairings here, just that with her total involvement, it is so limited its like at this point we see Hinata do something major then she just tends to only be present and stand around like the other majority cast. The main deal here is Hinata has less screentime, less screentime=less we can work with her. She is not as complex as others. If Hinata had at least the presence of Shikamaru, or team 8 itself was given more time, maybe if they got their own arc like team 10 did then it would make more sense to call Hinata a major character but she is not, she is a minor character. When Neji died, her own involvement in the plot became much more restricted. Aside from Naruto there is not much else who she correlates with. When the time comes for Sasuke to be dealt with this is her biggest downfall, she never even said a word to the guy (save in the bonds movie). Now she is just being a watcher for Sakura to keep updated on the battlefield. Hinata has a bit left in her but to call her completely important would be an understatement, she has her moments but if Kishi does not build on those then where does her development go? Where does it lead? Sakura's speech from 630 was in part because of her experience in the land of iron, even in 635 that has been built upon too from the land of iron and 540. So what is Hinata's development to be if her own moments are all but placed in the background? This is the problem with Hinata, she is too limited but as the story is now its too late, her major moment so far was 615 but if Kishi didn't build on that, if Naruto still loves Sakura, if he even gave us a hint of NS from 631 using Minato no less then whats the point of her romantic hopes of Naruto? This is the problem with Hinata, she is too limited making her a grey character. The manga is almost done, the major fights are coming, Naruto vs Sasuke is a team 7 only zone, not team 7 plus Hinata. Aside from gaining confidence and approval to lead her clan and stand beside Naruto as an acknowledged ally, I cannot see much else for her espcially when her own development from 633 feels kinda like a reversion/repeat of the stuff we know she has said for years and still has not gone much of anywhere. In fact this is where I see in part why NH is not able to work, because when Kishi is showing us the hints of NS and Naruto still loving Sakura this late, and still nothing on Hinata's end what are we to expect? Sakura cannot go over to Sasuke or it would uproot her development and just make her growth become unwarranted. It would make Naruto's promise to her unimportant, even then thats it, the promise and the development around Naruto, we see this brought up more times than Hinata even appears and we are to somehow expect Naruto to just foresake what he said to Sakura? No. just no. Hinata is a decent character but as the manga was written and we see the majority of the stuff laid out focusing mostly on NS, there cannot be a sudden shift or turn in which Hinata gets a free and convenient open pass for Naruto to like her, espcially when we see the development his love for Sakura and her concern and care for him has taken, espcially now with development showing Naruto still loves Sakura, Minato sees her like Kushina, Kushina gave a foreshadow of Naruto wanting a girlfriend like her, and Sakura starting to not trust Sasuke. Hinata's own limitation is in effect the hindrance to NH. If she was around more it would be bigger but she was not. Hinata is decent, but because she has limited attention, this makes her not as developed and in effect easier to understand because there is less content with her.

 

I've said this before elsewhere, but I believe Sakura's slow progressions at least physically were on purpose.  I've heard many on different sites say that she still isn't as strong as Naruto and Sakura, and unlike them hasn't surpassed the Sannin that trained her.  I've heard people call her Tsunade 2.0.  In my opinion, Kishimoto has been waiting for something to happen, or for the story to reach a certain point, because as many have said NS and Sakura's development has more to come.  Sakura hasn't surpassed Tsunade yet, and she still doesn't recognize herself as a full-fledged Shinobi (She still wears her forehead protector on her head).  Kishimoto hasn't given her any panels focusing on training since now, because the story hasn't reached a certain point.  He's been waiting for a certain event or for her to make contact with a certain character.  That's why he's waited so long.  It'll be awhile to see if I'm right, but right now, that's what I truly believe.

 

True, he could have done more with Hinata.  However, I believe the reason has to do with time constraints, and issues fitting her in more in the plot. 

 

Zu zu zu zuuun!!!

 

Wow, you can't tell this apart from images from the manga.  Excellent work, LadyGT.

 

Eeeeek!!!!
The reason hinata has never been focused on is because kishimoto never made her for that role. Sakuras character hasnt been lacked imo since hes done alot with her. Shes full of surprises and is a kick ass heroine.

You see, its because people expect things from hinata in the west that they think kishi has neglected her character when in fact this is how her character is. Her charscter has come to a full circle much faster than the other rookies but thats just how kishi did things.

I've never once seen anything in japanese forums including hinata and power ups or why she didnt get more screen time or why kishi neglected her. They know that shes a side character and thats it, they know her character has come to a full circle from the fans I've discussed with. Shes not orihime or rukia. These two girls are actually like heroines. I actually thought that rukia was the heroine and was shocked when I found out orihime is the heroine. They're both practically heroines. But ive never even known hinatas existance and that alone says alot. I gues its cuz my childhood friend was japanese and back in the day and I wasnt part of any western forums.

 

Sorry to defer the conversation of this thread to Bleach again, but where'd you get the fact Orihime is the heroine and not Rukia.  What source?

 

 

Well thats a nice picture there, reminds me of your other one a while back from showing Sakura and Kushina standing Naruto and Minato with the temper's in the background. I swear it would not be suprising in a future chapter if Minato is still around for a bit before disappearing but sees Naruto and Sakura then thinks of himself and Kushina, seriously if he does a thought like that and think just like us or he listened to you Kushina, he is happy. That would be enough to say case closed NS is canon, it would be hinting it just too much then and it would be so obvious, otherwise nice work, love how its detailed like the manga.

 

Oh, I saw that picture!  LadyGT did that one too?  As for moments, I'm more looking forward to a response from Sakura to Minato when he said "Take care of my son".  In chapter 631, she didn't respond to it.  I'm hoping later after Sakura comes to terms with her feelings, and Minato is leaving, she says "Leave Naruto to me." or something like that.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I do believe Minato will say one last wish for Naruto and Sakura. Sakura is a chance, but Naruto is guaranteed.

[Inferno180]

Just an awesome thought, If naruto manages to need to distribute his nine tails chakra to the allaince again, but needs to stay focused on facing obito, do you think it's possible that sakura could help him distribute it via katsyau? I mean that slug was able to withstand the effects of the 6 tailed transformation and not suffer any negative effects even just being a fission clone. Sounds like a pipe dream or a bit far out there but does anyone think its possible? I only say this so like if naruto put all the chakra he was going to distribute into one clone, that clone could be the one to help with katsyau and sakura to transmit everything again.

[Psychox]

Just an awesome thought, If naruto manages to need to distribute his nine tails chakra to the allaince again, but needs to stay focused on facing obito, do you think it's possible that sakura could help him distribute it via katsyau? I mean that slug was able to withstand the effects of the 6 tailed transformation and not suffer any negative effects even just being a fission clone. Sounds like a pipe dream or a bit far out there but does anyone think its possible? I only say this so like if naruto put all the chakra he was going to distribute into one clone, that clone could be the one to help with katsyau and sakura to transmit everything again.

 

Great thought ,it would be awesome if it happens . You are right about the slug its a tough cookie . Maybe something like chakra transfer via Sakura to the slug?

[LadyGT]

^ thank you very much guys! I'm really glad you liked it!

I was thinking about RTN lately, and I find it funny how Kishimoto made both Minato and Kushina tease and comment about Sakura in the movie, it was already an hint of their "girlfriend" approval
I'm just glad Kishimoto confirmed it again in chapter 631 since people keep saying RTN is not Canon.

I have a question! ( still RTN themed)
Am I the only one who never imagined for one of Sakura's parent to be blonde? I was really surprised when I saw Mebuki and Kizashi for the first time, I didn't expect Sakura's mother to be blonde, I always thought she would be the one with pink hair ahah I'm really happy with their design, once again Kishi surprised us all!

[TouKen4Life3g]

^ thank you very much guys! I'm really glad you liked it!

I was thinking about RTN lately, and I find it funny how Kishimoto made both Minato and Kushina tease and comment about Sakura in the movie, it was already an hint of their "girlfriend" approval
I'm just glad Kishimoto confirmed it again in chapter 631 since people keep saying RTN is not Canon.

I have a question! ( still RTN themed)
Am I the only one who never imagined for one of Sakura's parent to be blonde? I was really surprised when I saw Mebuki and Kizashi for the first time, I didn't expect Sakura's mother to be blonde, I always thought she would be the one with pink hair ahah I'm really happy with their design, once again Kishi surprised us all!

I'll be honest, I'm surprised as you were. It's as if the anime designed it on purpose. Heck, the characteristic on the father is a bit surprising. I mean isn't that a strange coincidence.

You know what would be funny? Say Kushina comes back to life. Then suddenly Kushina beat the crap out of Minato for leaving her in afterlife alone. Naruto looks scared and Sakura tells herself, "How scary... I have never seen anyone to be this scary to a guy." Many of K9 members just stares at her and Sakura just says, "W-what?" Kind of remind me in FT, Happy and his dad is like teasing that Charlie and her mother, which she doesn't know, were too identical so they just keep jotting down the similarities.

Oh and yes, the movie tease has brought to the manga. So awesome and I feel that it's not over yet. Expect more. I can feel it.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 06 August 2013 - 10:10 PM.

[arian_rad]

I'll be honest, I'm surprised as you were. It's as if the anime designed it on purpose. Heck, the characteristic on the father is a bit surprising. I mean isn't that a strange coincidence.

You know what would be funny? Say Kushina comes back to life. Then suddenly Kushina beat the crap out of Minato for leaving her in afterlife alone. Naruto looks scared and Sakura tells herself, "How scary... I have never seen anyone to be this scary to a guy." Many of K9 members just stares at her and Sakura just says, "W-what?" Kind of remind me in FT, Happy and his dad is like teasing that Charlie and her mother, which she doesn't know, were too identical so they just keep jotting down the similarities.

Oh and yes, the movie tease has brought to the manga. So awesome and I feel that it's not over yet. Expect more. I can feel it.

The studio recently seem to be huge NaruSaku fans for some huge reason. Thinking they actually might know something we don't.

[T XD]

Mebuki is like Sakura but has blonde hair, and Kizashi is like Naruto but has pink hair. I like how the similarities in her parents are shared from both Naruto and Sakura XD

Edited by T XD, 07 August 2013 - 12:39 AM.

[Inferno180]

^ thank you very much guys! I'm really glad you liked it!

I was thinking about RTN lately, and I find it funny how Kishimoto made both Minato and Kushina tease and comment about Sakura in the movie, it was already an hint of their "girlfriend" approval
I'm just glad Kishimoto confirmed it again in chapter 631 since people keep saying RTN is not Canon.

I have a question! ( still RTN themed)
Am I the only one who never imagined for one of Sakura's parent to be blonde? I was really surprised when I saw Mebuki and Kizashi for the first time, I didn't expect Sakura's mother to be blonde, I always thought she would be the one with pink hair ahah I'm really happy with their design, once again Kishi surprised us all!

 

Actually a bit of funny triva for you Lady GT, this is more NaruSaku stuff that doesn't really matter in the long run but is still true:

 

Just as Naruto is like both his parents and Sakura was confirmed to be like Kushina, there are also traits Sakura has with Minato:

-both are normal people not from any type of clan

-both are very smart

-both considered prodigies in their respective talents, Minato for his speed and space-time techniques and Sakura for her chakra control and medical expertise.

-both studied under a sannin.

 

And one more, concerning the parents of Naruto and Sakura:

-Both Naruto and Sakura have parents whose names start with an M and K

-Both Naruto and Sakura have a blond and red (color family of red) haired parent. Minato and Meubeki are blond, Kushina and Kizashi are close in red and pink

-Both these traits belong to the opposite gendered parent of both Naruto and Sakura's parents, ex Minato is male, name begins with M, has blond hair opposite Meubeki who has these traits but is female. Same conditions for Kushina and Kizashi.

 

Isn't it funny? Stuff like this does not matter in the long run or help the pairing but its still true!

[T XD]

@ Inferno 180: They don't matter, but they make the pairing more enjoyable. That's how it is for me XD

Edited by T XD, 07 August 2013 - 12:50 AM.

[pharix]

oh but I'm SURE Kishi just did that by accident! /rolleyes

[redragon88]

Hey, check this out:
 
http://yellow-and-pi...airing-in-japan

 

So I heard Kishimoto has stated that NaruSaku is the most popular ship in Japan, but a while ago I saw a post that proved that wrong (well, at least that’s what I thought). They typed in NaruSaku, NaruHina and SasuSaku in japanese in google search and it showed that NaruHina and SasuSaku have a lot more results.

 

Well, too bad that those aren’t the official shipping names in Japan.

 

I got that idea when I saw in the NaLu tag (Natsu and Lucy from Fairy Tail) a text post that said that NaLu isn’t the shipping name in Japan. It’s NatsuLu (if I remember it correctly) and I thought maybe that’s the same with Narusaku, NaruHina and SasuSaku…

 

And I was right!

 

When you search さすさく (SasuSaku) it has 77.200 results

 

ナルヒナ (NaruHina) has 55.200 results

 

and ナルサク (NaruSaku) has only 47.600 results.

 

Seems like SasuSaku and NaruHina are way more popular in Japan, just like in the western countries, right? Well, how about we don’t use the western shipping names and type in instead:

 

サスケとサクラ (Sasuke and Sakura) - it has 1.350.000 results. This already proves that these cannot be the official shipping names in Japan.

 

ナルトとヒナタ (Naruto and Hinata) has 510.000 results. A bit more than a half million. That’s already a lot more than when you type “NaruHina" in japanese.

 

But when you search ナルトとサクラ (Naruto and Sakura) it has 2.850.000 results. SasuSaku is not even half as popular as NaruSaku. NaruHina is not even worth talking about. The numbers speak for themselves.

 

So cheer up guys! I know we have a hard time on tumblr because we are the smallest fandom here but we have support from Japan, where the manga actually comes from. They understand the manga way better. They would for example never call Sakura abusive because she hits Naruto, they know it’s for comedy. Also, western countries always tend to look for romance in a story (especially girls) but Naruto is not a shoujo manga where it’s about girls getting the guys they love. And something tells me they are way more mature fandoms or have you ever seen someone from there who has been bashing others on the internet because of their OTPs? Btw, you can check all of this yourself. I put it this way because I can’t take screenshots with my PC. And next time, don’t question what Kishimoto states himself.

 

 

Edited by redragon88, 07 August 2013 - 01:32 AM.

[Liu bie]

Zu zu zu zuuun!!!

This give me a good feeling about Narusaku. Now I will need a drawing in the oppose side Kushina encorage Naruto and Minato encorage Sakura and my life is complete.