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Hokage Sennin

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#984435 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Hokage Sennin on 04 June 2021 - 02:30 AM

Hey everyone. It's been 3000 six, almost seven, years. Only had the courage to come back now, expecting that I'd find a "domain for sale" page. Glad I was wrong. Though it's mightily cliche, perhaps the real good ending out of the conclusion of Naruto is the friends we made along the way. I recognize a lot of the same names here as it was in 2014. So, about a particular question...

 

So, how did YOU react to the ending?

 

Short answer: JoJo's Bizarre Adventure

 

Long answer: I felt empty, betrayed, conspirationally hopeful. Then I turned angry and disgusted with the antics of the more-angry NSers and gloating NH/SSers. It happened at a relatively mentally low time for me. I remember the following weeks and months doing the motions, eventually cloistering myself from everyone, not touching Naruto/much of fiction and social media with a ten-feet pole. Little did I know it would prepare me for how things in general will pan out from 2015-2020.

 

Naruto's ending also shattered my expectations of what a writer will or will not do. One of my last posts here is a proclamation of how sure I am that NS will be canon, a celebratory and ultimately foolish statement. Chapters 699 and 700 did an about face in Sakura's characterization and destroyed all my assumptions behind me supporting NS. Now, I still ship it conditionally. Their dynamic from the start of Shippuden up to 698 is beautiful and I maintain that it was most likely to be canon. I will be anti-NS (and also anti-NH/SS) for stories set after that.

 

That it took something like 699/700 for it to not be canon proved me right that it is what it will take for SS and consequently NH to work. I respect Kishi's prerogative as the author there, and at the same time, I'll say it is extremely poor writing. It ended up doing all of the Big Three pairings a disservice there in their different ways. For NS in particular, it is the disservice of missing a great potential story there.

 

I've been on the other side of similar shipping debates wars before (I also ship Harry/Ginny which is Harry Potter's equivalent of Naru/Hina there). The big difference was that the writing and the character development in making them canon is more competently handled. Not so much the case in Naruto.

 

I dunno what Kishi really thinks, and I continue to smell BS on him saying that NS is a red herring or whatever. If it is, I'd rather have the red herring, thank you. It was better written anyway. But! If it is not a red herring (which my gut feeling agrees with), he made Road to Ninja to be the closest thing to how he really wants Naruto to end: he was already aware at the time that he has to conclude it a different way.

 

As for Boruto, I was burned enough by the events that I couldn't bring myself to read/watch/follow it. I'm aware Boru/Sara is one of the popular pairings of the next gen. All I see, even if it becomes canon, is discount/consolatory NS. I'll leave it for newer fans to appreciate it in its own right.

 

Back to shattering my assumptions on how an author will progress a story, the aftermath of Naruto's ending gave me a very important rule regarding shipping.

 

"I'll only ship pairings if (a) I'm sure they'll not be canon or (b) the story has concluded."

 

And since it brought me a mindset that in fiction, anything goes, it paved the way for me appreciating the likes of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.

 

Meanwhile, the fans can argue about who has the more canon pairing or healthy relationship all they want while I enjoy the latest JoJo memes.

 

Anyways, if you have AU/point of divergence fanfic recommendations of the below types, I appreciate it!

1. NS-fanon alternate ending

2. Alternate ending with the canonical pairings but with better writing and character progression.

 

PS




#686916 The Last theory: Collection of Info & co.

Posted by Hokage Sennin on 05 December 2014 - 01:11 PM

This is it guys, less than a day to go...

 

Fell deeds awake, fire and slaughter!
spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered,
a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!

 

 

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Ride now, ride now! Ride to ruin, and the world’s ending!




#682133 The Last theory: Collection of Info & co.

Posted by Hokage Sennin on 02 December 2014 - 03:41 PM

 

why would I be glad about that?

seriously if single thing we doubted has been confirmed at this point..

 

- A bunch of leaked images comes out including NH's kids

Confirmed

 

- Naruto Prologue at start of movie

Confimed

 

- Hinata rubs ointment on Naruto's back

Confirmed

 

- The first love being about Hinata and NH's love story

Confirmed

 

- NH kiss

Confirmed

 

- Chapter 699 and 700 spoilers pics

Confirmed

 

- Naruto chasing after Hinata

Confirmed

 

What's next?

 

- Tobi says he's Madara

Confirmed

 

There's a time when you'll be laughed at if you disagree with this, even if you feel something's not right.

 

And then this happened...

 

- Tobi is Obito

Confirmed




#681985 The Last theory: Collection of Info & co.

Posted by Hokage Sennin on 02 December 2014 - 02:45 PM

Am I supposed to be crying over this? Cause right now, I'm laughing at that scene.




#681896 The Last theory: Collection of Info & co.

Posted by Hokage Sennin on 02 December 2014 - 12:47 PM

 

Oh, OH, OH! I remembered. So you remember how you told me that if the rumors are true than that means that the part with "Sayonara Naruto-kun" is when Hinata loses memory of Naruto...
 
Well, I personally think it has something else to do with it... Remember canon-Hinata's words? "Once this war is over, I'll stop once and for all" aka she will stop chasing after him, after she has been by his side in this war, and since the presumption that this movie is RTN skeleton-based, it could be that at the end of it, to symbolize Hinata's words from canon, the same way they did with Jiraiya's in RTN, that "Sayonara, Naruto-kun" might be Hinata's final thoughts in regards to Naruto aka the "Once this war is over, I'll stop once and for all [chasing you]".

 

 

And that's when Naruto will start chasing her. True love indeed. :zaru:




#679563 The Last theory: Collection of Info & co.

Posted by Hokage Sennin on 30 November 2014 - 07:38 AM

I consider NS canon if they will make Hinata like Sakura to pair her with Naruto. The only fault that happened in this case is that Sakura is not popular.




#673703 The Last theory: Collection of Info & co.

Posted by Hokage Sennin on 25 November 2014 - 02:30 PM

Wait wait... If these spoilers are correct, then this invalidates 437

Wow so much retconning

 

Gives me even more conviction to consider 699/700 and the last as a separate work of fiction from everything preceding them.




#661525 The Last theory: Collection of Info & co.

Posted by Hokage Sennin on 15 November 2014 - 07:39 AM

If we assume that Bolt is Naruto and Sakura's child, this can explain his whiskers, if it's not an inheritable trait:

 

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Edit: If it turns out to be the case, expect Himawari to be Toneri's daughter.




#652952 Going Forward: A New Pledge for Heaven & Earth

Posted by Hokage Sennin on 09 November 2014 - 12:34 PM

A toast to the best pairing that never was. Wishing the best! :happy:




#650921 Why I feel the alleged ch. 700 is fake

Posted by Hokage Sennin on 08 November 2014 - 09:56 AM

Hold it!

 

I have accepted this ending and what transpired, but it didn't change my opinion that it is a lolwut crappy development. At the least, he should have connected at how Naruto got over Sakura and ended up with Hinata, and Sasuke eventually changing for the better, and more of the others. But, while I'm thinking of the possible reasons, I suddenly felt like we're reacting like Luke Triton in the Layton x Ace Attorney game when he saw the Professor

Layton crossover game spoiler!

 

The point is, while what OP posted is unlikely, they cannot be completely ruled out (admittedly it's like only your fingernails are preventing you from falling down a deep chasm).

 

It really doesn't just add up. It's either Kishi just simply gave up on the series and gave in for the $$$, or (again, unlikely) he had one final trick under his sleeve, one last troll to make. If Kishi really cares about his reputation as an author and has a long term view on how he wants to be known, ch700 is a grand gamble that will make him come down either as a textbook case of what a mangaka should not be like or the biggest genius in recent manga history. Look underneath the underneath.

 

The best candidate would be a chapter 701(!) in Nov. 10. It has to be long (like 50+ pages) because Kishi has a lot of explaining to do.

 

I just really hope, for the sake of good storytelling, that the latter is true. Even if the canon ships stay, it's fine. Just resolve the loose ends!




#648909 an alternate ending?

Posted by Hokage Sennin on 07 November 2014 - 03:14 PM

 
I guess you are a NaruHina and SasuSaku fan?
 
You would do the same if it was NaruSaku and SasuHIna or NaruSaku and SasuIno.
 

 

I have expected better than this...

 

Kishi chose this, so he better stand by his word. And I would do the same regardless of canon pairing.

 

Even if he realized his storytelling mistake and made an alternate ending, it wouldn't be the same anymore.




#514894 Naruto 664

Posted by Hokage Sennin on 12 February 2014 - 11:56 AM

An okay chapter, Madara successfully got the Kyuubi of Minato, and he's practically telling them "Where's your god now?". Minato and co. are running out of options, and screwed royally they are becoming.

 

But!

 

Rikudou's Tools passed by Madara, and he dismisses it as an afterthought. This could ultimately not bide well for Madara in the end, as who knows what ace is up in its sleeve, with Team Gai grabbing ahold of those artifacts. We can expect Tenten to do her thing with them... As it is said, the turtle will beat a resting hare.

 

---

 

My prediction for 665+666

 

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-Mine! -Ok, lolz.

 

(Edit: The other italicized texts aside from the caption are supposed to be bolded as well, but they're not --- at least in my machine ---)




#514164 Naruto 663

Posted by Hokage Sennin on 08 February 2014 - 05:58 AM

 

Good thing is many NS fans are acknowledging its just CPR, we aren't making this into our version of 615, we know its just CPR, I mean its really the first screentime naruto and sakura are mouth to mouth and there is a bit of reason why we are happy but unlike the extreme NS fans or anyone that just hates NS, the point of this moment isnt the CPR.

 

The point of this moment is not the medical stuff she is doing, its the reaction she gives him in this state, the inner thoughts about supporting his dream and promising/doing anything in her power to make sure naruto survives. Thats the point of the moment, yet many fans on all ends would either miss or ignore this. Its not the CPR we like, its the thoughts towards naruto sakura gives.

 

It's not what you do for Naruto that is important. It's how strongly you feel about him that counts.