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Posted 07 December 2013 - 06:04 PM

No, because the problem is that you cant invest too much effort on the romantic subplot because it's a shounen, nowadays it's all forced because it can only be finished on the ending.
Look at 631 as soon as Naruto finished saying that she was more or less his gf and Sakura told him to shut up, the next scene was like nothing happened, Sakura asked Naruto how did he know he was coming, it's like the scene didnt even existed and that is ridiculous.

that's pretty crappy. Like Baka neko-san said, narusaku interaction have been on the down low. Kishi's attempts at invoking tension between pairings is ridiculous and Sakura's whole conflicted feelings have been drawn out long enough, i'd say. Kishi has a lot of loose ends to tie up -_-

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 06:10 PM

that's pretty crappy. Like Baka neko-san said, narusaku interaction have been on the down low. Kishi's attempts at invoking tension between pairings is ridiculous and Sakura's whole conflicted feelings have been drawn out long enough, i'd say. Kishi has a lot of loose ends to tie up -_-

Yep that is.
The author has to be discreet, since he killed SS off by making Sasuke look like a jerk and tried to kill her on the summit he kept literally telling the audience "i cant make them canon yet" not on a discreet manner but on a very intrusive way.

And on the recent chapters you can perceive this, he cant make Sakura shows that she still loves Sasuke because she will be certainly bashed for that like Ino and Karin looked pathetic and at the same time he's forced to hold on NaruSaku interactions to not make it canon yet.

With NaruHina it's similar, he cant make a tension with NH because making Naruto at least show romantic tones towards Hinata will destroy the fact his love for Sakura is perfect to a point that there's no other girl that can substitute her.

SS is even more ridiculous, she has all the reasons of the world to drop those feelings, but she dont because it's once again forced.

Kishi is not even a bit discreet.


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 06:14 PM

What I find funny is how so many take their opinion and think it is "fact."

"631 was a rejection from Sakura."
Wouldn't that mean that 616 is a rejection from Naruto sense he says he always wants to keep Neji in his heart; not mentioning Hinata at all?

These "perceived" realities are just plain ignorance sometimes and it is really disturbing a lot of times. It's funny how SS and Nh half the time piggy back off each other and even some SS and NH fans admit it. They have to join forces to "defeat" NS who they think is such a monster and yet we are only a fraction of their fanbases alone here in the states. I am not sad or mad, but rather laughing really hard that they truly feel like this. Are we, as small as we are, that powerful? It is kind of funny how they constantly say that "NS is dead since blah blah chapter" and yet still see us as this huge threat.

It is also funny how many will say how "obvious NH/SS is" and yet, if it is so obvious why isn't it canon by now or why like 90% of the bloody manga tells a completely different story?

"You know, Sakura is only going to end up with Naruto cause she can;t have Sasuke. That means that Naruto is her back-up plan."
Okay, but if Naruto can't have Sakura and he ends up with Hinata, wouldn't that mean Hinata is Naruto's back-up plan? While being the "fallback guy" is bad in general in my opinion, but why do these guys think that Naruto being the fallback guy for Sakura is a bad thing, but Hinata being the fallback girl for Naruto is a good thing? Isn't being the fallback love bad no matter what or do they just feel that because it is NH everything is okay? Hell, I bet if Hinata killed Sakura, did a satanic ritual around her corpse, wore Sakura's skin, and went to Naruto confessing her love saying "CALL ME SAKURA!!!!," I bet NH fans would call that true love too.

I also get it when NH/SS fans ask me like "Well, if NS is the canon pairing, why isn't it canon yet either? Why did Naruto reject her during her confession?" Fair enough, they have a point, but there is a reason for this and I can tell them why that I think a lot of NH/SS fans miss a lot of times.

If Naruto and Sakura got together at the time of Sakura's confession, then the pairing wars would be over and 615 would mean even less than it does now. The fact that Naruto didn't accept Sakura right then and there is because it would be canon by now. Hell, a lot of the moments since the hug scene could have easily pushed NS into the "canon" zone, but always fell just a little short. Maybe even being in the "almost there" zone makes it canon within itself if you think about it. 

When you get to the point where even the other characters of the show are like "Just kiss already, jesus." Yeah, they are practically canon. That is the vibe I am getting at this point in Naruto. The other characters are practically screaming it in their faces to get together already. Especially Sai.

 

 

that's pretty crappy. Like Baka neko-san said, narusaku interaction have been on the down low. Kishi's attempts at invoking tension between pairings is ridiculous and Sakura's whole conflicted feelings have been drawn out long enough, i'd say. Kishi has a lot of loose ends to tie up -_-

 

Actually, I find this method a lot easier to swallow than say a long standing Harem manga. Take all the moments you know of in the pairing drama in the Naruto manga. Now multiply that by 11 and make alot more frequent to the point that it happens a good 5 times per volume, or 10 times per anime episode. Now make that a central point of the whole plot. Got that? Good. Now the couple does get together till maybe the 3rd to last to last volume or the last episode of the anime.

By the second episode/volume, you and every character in the show are practically screaming at the top of their lungs "JUST DO IT ALREADY!!!!!"


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 06:15 PM

Yep that is.
The author has to be discreet, since he killed SS off by making Sasuke look like a jerk and tried to kill her on the summit he kept literally telling the audience "i cant make them canon yet" not on a discreet manner but on a very intrusive way.

yet after all this fiasco, SS fans keep claiming that SS and NH are canon pairings, what does that tell abt them -_- how could they think that stabbing the girl who loves you is loving her back ? Those fans must have a very twisted sense of romance

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 06:21 PM

What I find funny is how so many take their opinion and think it is "fact."
"631 was a rejection from Sakura."
Wouldn't that mean that 616 is a rejection from Naruto sense he says he always wants to keep Neji in his heart; not mentioning Hinata at all?
These "perceived" realities are just plain ignorance sometimes and it is really disturbing a lot of times. It's funny how SS and Nh half the time piggy back off each other and even some SS and NH fans admit it. They have to join forces to "defeat" NS who they think is such a monster and yet we are only a fraction of their fanbases alone here in the states. I am not sad or mad, but rather laughing really hard that they truly feel like this. Are we, as small as we are, that powerful? It is kind of funny how they constantly say that "NS is dead since blah blah chapter" and yet still see us as this huge threat.
It is also funny how many will say how "obvious NH/SS is" and yet, if it is so obvious why isn't it canon by now or why like 90% of the bloody manga tells a completely different story?
"You know, Sakura is only going to end up with Naruto cause she can;t have Sasuke. That means that Naruto is her back-up plan."
Okay, but if Naruto can't have Sakura and he ends up with Hinata, wouldn't that mean Hinata is Naruto's back-up plan? While being the "fallback guy" is bad in general in my opinion, but why do these guys think that Naruto being the fallback guy for Sakura is a bad thing, but Hinata being the fallback girl for Naruto is a good thing? Isn't being the fallback love bad no matter what or do they just feel that because it is NH everything is okay? Hell, I bet if Hinata killed Sakura, did a satanic ritual around her corpse, wore Sakura's skin, and went to Naruto confessing her love saying "CALL ME SAKURA!!!!," I bet NH fans would call that true love too.
I also get it when NH/SS fans ask me like "Well, if NS is the canon pairing, why isn't it canon yet either? Why did Naruto reject her during her confession?" Fair enough, they have a point, but there is a reason for this and I can tell them why that I think a lot of NH/SS fans miss a lot of times.
If Naruto and Sakura got together at the time of Sakura's confession, then the pairing wars would be over and 615 would mean even less than it does now. The fact that Naruto didn't accept Sakura right then and there is because it would be canon by now. Hell, a lot of the moments since the hug scene could have easily pushed NS into the "canon" zone, but always fell just a little short. Maybe even being in the "almost there" zone makes it canon within itself if you think about it. 
When you get to the point where even the other characters of the show are like "Just kiss already, jesus." Yeah, they are practically canon. That is the vibe I am getting at this point in Naruto. The other characters are practically screaming it in their faces to get together already. Especially Sai.

yes, so many characters in the manga want them to get together. The fact is they already act like an old married couple. Sakura straightening him out, Naruto whining at Sakura. All those subtle glances, sincere smiles. I mean, come on. How much more obvious could NS get ?

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 06:21 PM

@James

ijoc.pngDouble standards at it finnest, Naruto holding Hinata's hand is a sign of true love but when Sakura hugs Naruto it's just friendship.

They put all their effort on trying to give an answer to NS claims but end up forgetting that what they say goes totally against what they believe.

That's why on their rants they claim argument A to say that it's not love but on the same situation with different characters for some reason the argument A it's not valid.

They keep throwing stones on the NS house but forgot that the NH and SS houses are abandoned.


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 06:23 PM

Also the only reason Kishi has NH moments is because i think he wants to squeeze as much as possible out of the huge Hinata and NH fan bases.

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 06:26 PM

@James
ijoc.pngDouble standards at it finnest, Naruto holding Hinata's hand is a sign of true love but when Sakura hugs Naruto it's just friendship.
They put too much effort on trying to give an answer to NS claims but end up forgetting that what they say goes totally against what they believe.
That's why on their rants they claim argument A to say that it's not love but on the the situation with different characters for some reason the argument A it's not valid.

then there's the bridal style save. Naruto saved sakura from Sasuke similar to his father, while SS fans use the bridal save that Sasuke made when fighting gaara.

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 06:27 PM

then there's the bridal style save. Naruto saved sakura from Sasuke similar to his father, while SS fans use the bridal save that Sasuke made when fighting gaara.

 

And yet, Sasuke didn't really save her. XD He just "caught" her.


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 06:28 PM

Yeah apparently it started with this post http://lunaneko14.tu...d-and-i-found-a (not trying to make anyone bash with this post, if anyone want me to remove it I will).


So NH kept SS alive even though NH didn't get mucy until the Pain arc? And Nh was in the way of NS? Lol laughable. None of this can be taken seriously...

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 06:30 PM

And yet, Sasuke didn't really save her. XD He just "caught" her.

i was ROFLMAO when i read that retort XD :-P

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 06:53 PM

So do you guys think that Kishi is doing a good job with the romantic sub plot ?

To tell you the truth, that depends. If you go by the true intentions of Kishi, then yes he has done good. If you go with the fans, then it's shaky to decide. The last thing I need is have one to be a pedestal and switch around love. Honestly, if Naruto had those, I would say no. These are major flaws of love triangle to me.

 
And yet, Sasuke didn't really save her. XD He just "caught" her.

Yeah, if I remember right, the position she was in was like the only way to catch. Can't pull her up from her shirt, you can't tackle grab her, or you can't use Kunai since it's not baggy enough or she wasn't in right position. Yeah....

Hell, both bridal save from Naruto (movie is included) has no real reason why he did that save.

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 07:05 PM

Yeah, if I remember right, the position she was in was like the only way to catch. Can't pull her up from her shirt, you can't tackle grab her, or you can't use Kunai since it's not baggy enough or she wasn't in right position. Yeah....

Hell, both bridal save from Naruto (movie is included) has no real reason why he did that save.

ijoc.pngHe didnt saved her, it doesnt matter the position he did, it wasnt a save.
Naruto was the one who saved her and Sasuke told this to Sakura.


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 07:07 PM

ijoc.pngHe didnt saved her, it doesnt matter the position he did, it wasnt a save.
Naruto was the one who saved her and Sasuke told this to Sakura.

Oh I know, I was following up from they were saying.

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 07:10 PM

It was a moment-save, not a situation-save. :P Sasuke saved her that one moment, then told Naruto only he could do it, because she was still in danger. XD


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 08:02 PM

It was a moment-save, not a situation-save. :P Sasuke saved her that one moment, then told Naruto only he could do it, because she was still in danger. XD

 

Yes....he saved her clothes not getting dirty by not letting her hit the ground.


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 08:27 PM

I haven't been keeping up with the manga.

Is NaruSaku canon yet


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 08:31 PM

I haven't been keeping up with the manga.

Is NaruSaku canon yet

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 08:35 PM

No.

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 09:08 PM

the most ridiculous thing i heard is sakura ignoring naruto after sasuke came back. coz she was happy sasuke was back and called his name first before naruto. never mind sakura had a real talk with naruto about her battle capabilities, she's the only one to worry about naruto when he shield everyone with the cloak, or that she thought about him one whole chapter when shikamaru was going to die.

 

That's what they want or believe ,i don't know. It appears that they will never concede  that Sakura will be over Sasuke and that  red herring Kishi used during Sakura's  confession to Naruto, that also 540 was the horrific dead of NaruSaku, 615 was the next, 632 the last, actually it looks like NS has died quite a lot of times :zaru:  , believe it . We have so many lives , its ridiculous , cats got nothing against us :D.

@James, Too bad however that no matter how many their  numbers ,Naruto plot >their desires.


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