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[咲耶姫]

^ Awesome!  I'm really excited to see your translations!

 

If it can please you. I already saw a little something about Sakura on Naruto's profil in the first databook. It's not something big but still. 

It's about the scene were he transforms himself into Sasuke. 

サスケに化け、好きなサクラの心を探ろうとする。

"While being transformed into Sasuke, he's reading/feeling/searching for his beloved Sakura's mind."

Note that 心 can mean both "mind" and "heart" but I won't be biased like the SS translation and put heart when it's clear it means "mind". But I think in this case, "heart" could also fit, since he reads what her heart wanted to hear from her loved one. 

 

And I saw other passages, where Sakura is mentionned on Naruto's profil. But I didn"t translate so I don't know if she's directly invovled, or if it's just a quick mention. 

Edited by 咲耶姫, 07 December 2013 - 06:05 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Hinata's love is presented ambiguously, imo - isn't her confession even placed under encouragement in the Kizuna books?  And the databook says Naruto is the embodiment of confidence and potentital to Hinata.  But regardless of how it is presented, her bond with him is still mentioned, which was my entire point.  I'm not fussy how they present the bond so long as they mention it to begin with.
 
But yes, I certainly agree Sakura's love for Naruto, regardless of whether one thinks it is romantic or platonic in nature, far outweighs Hinata's for Naruto.  You don't need too look any further than their thoughts in 573, imo, to see which girls' feelings are more genuine; one girl is thinking of her feelings, and the other is thinking of Naruto's.
 
I think you're misundertanding me - I don't think that it makes NS any less possible to become canon.  I have zero doubt that Naruto is in love with Sakura, or that NS is the most likely at this point for endgame.  It simply annoys me (and is a bit odd to me at least) that his profile doesn't mention Sakura at all, since she is one of his most significant bonds in the series. 
 
I understand where you're coming from in a sense, since Naruto's storyline has much less to do with romance than the girls' and as the main character in an action shounen manga he is far more involved with other plot central issues, but that doesn't mean I appreciate them seemingly completely leaving out such an important bond as his with Sakura.

Oh I get it. That's ok. It's all good.

Thanks for clarifying. It's just the day of making many things seem equality is over to me in romance war as people would put it. I would have been nicer but after all the stuff we had to put up, it's a light tone of payback from me. Honestly, the story should have been obvious a long time ago, but we got caught in a illusion.

[Paptala]

 

If it can please you. I already saw a little something about Sakura on Naruto's profil in the first databook. It's not something big but still. 

It's about the scene were he transforms himself into Sasuke. 

サスケに化け、好きなサクラの心を探ろうとする。

"While being transformed into Sasuke, he's reading/feeling/searching for his beloved Sakura's mind."

Note that 心 can mean both "mind" and "heart" but I won't be biased like the SS translation and put heart when it's clear it means "mind". But I think in this case, "heart" could also fit, since he reads what her heart wanted to hear from her loved one. 

 

And I saw other passages, where Sakura is mentionned on Naruto's profil. But I didn"t translate so I don't know if she's directly invovled, or if it's just a quick mention. 

It does!  Thank you so much for sharing that bit early for me!

 

 

Oh I get it. That's ok. It's all good.

Thanks for clarifying. It's just the day of making many things seem equality is over to me in romance war as people would put it. I would have been nicer but after all the stuff we had to put up, it's a light tone of payback from me. Honestly, the story should have been obvious a long time ago, but we got caught in a illusion.

Yeah, I know what you mean.  The pairing wars can be fun sometimes, but after this long, it gets tiresome, irritating, and exhuasting trying to explain what really should be obvious to everyone - case in point, that Naruto genuinely is in love with Sakura.

[redragon88]

The romance sub-story is about Sakura's evolving feelings when it comes to Naruto and Sasuke.

 

The mistake that was made is that people assumed Hinata was part of that sub-story. She isn't. Hinata's love for Naruto is simply part of her character and thus will serve to push her growth, but it doesn't go further than that.

 

If Hinata was meant to be part of the romance sub-story we would have Naruto getting new feelings towards Hinata, but it never happens. At most he's very grateful for her courage. Hinata's love, like her character, are just side elements that give the story more content.

 

It was the same with Lee's love for Sakura in Part 1, it helped expand the story, but in the end it's just side content.

Edited by redragon88, 07 December 2013 - 07:42 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Yeah, I know what you mean.  The pairing wars can be fun sometimes, but after this long, it gets tiresome, irritating, and exhuasting trying to explain what really should be obvious to everyone - case in point, that Naruto genuinely is in love with Sakura.

I know, but I think the main problem is that the pairing war in here isn't truly that much, because many of them are stuck at 50% which has only one person already love one. While it's not bad, the problem is that it's unbalance. Who is causing it? NaruSaku. How? It's at 75% and over. Many pairing wars have equal level, but here, it's actually obvious. It's not like once the girl make the choice, the guy would go to her, rather one of them would go to her and the other one won't. That's not pairing war, that's just fandom. So yeah, I'm pretty much done. All I want to do is praise my pairing and help the needs.

[Kster95]

Lol I just realized something, the only reason NS seems like the unpopular choice is because NH and SS are in an alliance, they ship each other fandoms so its really just 2 fandoms vs our 1 fandom. And to be honest they rely on each other while we stick to ourselves. Anyway I dont see any bashing there but just want to say I am done aswell, I pretty much see NS being canon. And cant wait for it to happen, but not to gloat to the other fandoms but to know that the cocky ones lost. :)

[Hanabi]

^ nh and ss had some kind of war in tumblr, i heard.

Edited by Hanabi, 07 December 2013 - 08:21 AM.

[BlueStarSaber]

^ nh and ss had some kind of war in tumblr, i heard.

 

Yeah apparently it started with this post http://lunaneko14.tu...d-and-i-found-a (not trying to make anyone bash with this post, if anyone want me to remove it I will).

[Kster95]

^ nh and ss had some kind of war in tumblr, i heard.

Yeah thats where I heard this whole alliance thing, someone was trying to argue that they are on the same side so they shouldnt fight..

[Hanabi]

okay.. that post didn't make any sense to me lol...

 

from that post it sounds like ns is a formidable monster that needs 2 factions to bring it down 

Edited by Hanabi, 07 December 2013 - 12:05 PM.

[redragon88]

 

Yeah apparently it started with this post http://lunaneko14.tu...d-and-i-found-a (not trying to make anyone bash with this post, if anyone want me to remove it I will).

 

NS nearly dead after 632? I don't even understand how they come up with such conclusions.

 

I don't know whether to feel irritated or sad that people have gone into such denial.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

NS nearly dead after 632? I don't even understand how they come up with such conclusions.

 

I don't know whether to feel irritated or sad that people have gone into such denial.

I lose on "Hinata ended Naruto's crush on Sakura".

I felt baited to respond but it's just like that and move on.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 December 2013 - 03:28 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Ended crush? Well, that's new. I think. Not really. I think if the head thoughts from Hinata in 615 was in Naruto's head instead, then maybe I'll reconsider. Other than that, nope, don't see it. Naruto would be the one to let the world know what he thinks and feels, not guessing game. We're not trying to decrypt a DaVinci code.

[Psychox]

okay.. that post didn't make any sense to me lol...

 

from that post it sounds like ns is a formidable monster that needs 2 factions to bring it down 

 

Yes, it appears we are some kind of a monster that lurks under the bed or a evil monkey who lives in their closet ,pointing to be very afraid ,cause the manga is ending soon and their false hopes for which they  are clinging will crumble  . From that post a lot of people rioted ,but some are calming the others down ,because there is a plauge running  loose and it needs  to be stopped .

 

 

NS nearly dead after 632? I don't even understand how they come up with such conclusions.

 

I don't know whether to feel irritated or sad that people have gone into such denial.

 

Its both actually. The conclusion is that Sakura blushed at Sasuke ,screamed his name therefore she loves him and Naruto will never be loved so... yeah . When refuted they bail out or start bashing you .

That's why when Sakura was worried about Naruto in the chapter when she entered his heart and gave her all to save Shikamaru ''Naruto needs you...'' the same people began bashing her for that sole purpose ,because their otp's  is sunk lower than Titanic after 631 . Its pure anger , grasping at straws just to bring down NS . It died back in 468/9 , 540, 615 - 631 happens just a joke ,632 ....

I don't know what to say anymore .


 

[Shashank95]

Yes, it appears we are some kind of a monster that lurks under the bed or a evil monkey who lives in their closet ,pointing to be very afraid ,cause the manga is ending soon and their false hopes for which they  are clinging will crumble  . From that post a lot of people rioted ,but some are calming the others down ,because there is a plauge running  loose and it needs  to be stopped .
 

 
Its both actually. The conclusion is that Sakura blushed at Sasuke ,screamed his name therefore she loves him and Naruto will never be loved so... yeah . When refuted they bail out or start bashing you .
That's why when Sakura was worried about Naruto in the chapter when she entered his heart and gave her all to save Shikamaru ''Naruto needs you...'' the same people began bashing her for that sole purpose ,because their otp's  is sunk lower than Titanic after 631 . Its pure anger , grasping at straws just to bring down NS . It died back in 468/9 , 540, 615 - 631 happens just a joke ,632 ....
I don't know what to say anymore .

why is it that the other fandoms find the need to bash Narusaku to keep their pairing afloat ?! It's funny sometimes reading the reasons they give to justify that Narusaku is done.

[Hanabi]

the most ridiculous thing i heard is sakura ignoring naruto after sasuke came back. coz she was happy sasuke was back and called his name first before naruto. never mind sakura had a real talk with naruto about her battle capabilities, she's the only one to worry about naruto when he shield everyone with the cloak, or that she thought about him one whole chapter when shikamaru was going to die.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

^ @ Hanabi: Selective reading is all I can say. I truly don't know how anyone can read something and just filter out the parts that don't fit their preconceived notions or stubborn bias, you just can't see or experience the whole story that way, and all they do is set themselves up for disappointment. It's like saying Sakura will be the one to save Sasuke out of her undying love for him, when the story emphasizes Naruto's brotherly love for Sasuke and firmly sets him up for the role of 'saving' Sasuke. It undermines and ignores a huge plot point of the manga, all because of favor for a pairing. And it's the same thing with twisting Sakura's motives and such to make her out to be manipulative and completely Sasuke centric, acting as if all the development between her and Naruto does not exist or is simply played for comic relief. 

[Shashank95]

So do you guys think that Kishi is doing a good job with the romantic sub plot ?

[BakeNeko-Chan]

@ Shashank95

 

I think he's done decently. But I do think it was a mistake on his part to keep Naruto and Sakura apart as long as he did, and while I don't mind Sakura's conflict over her feelings, Kishimoto has dragged it out longer than I would have, not to mention the poor handling of 615, which I do believe was intended it part to incite tension in the pairings. I would also prefer he do less telling and more showing, which would be the parallels, placed there to 'tell' the audience the direction the pairings will go (NaruSaku), at the sacrifice of interaction between Naruto and Sakura, which would be the 'showing'. Granted, there have been some moments, but not enough in my opinion, to make up for the long separation they've had in this arc.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

So do you guys think that Kishi is doing a good job with the romantic sub plot ?

No, because the problem is that you cant invest too much effort on the romantic subplot because it's a shounen, nowadays it's all forced because it can only be finished on the ending.

Look at 631 as soon as Naruto finished saying that she was more or less his gf and Sakura told him to shut up, the next scene was like nothing happened, Sakura asked Naruto how did he know he was coming, it's like the scene didnt even existed and that is ridiculous.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 December 2013 - 05:58 PM.