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Posted 03 November 2013 - 06:02 PM

Well I supported HxH as well, but when it didn't happen I didn't get mad at all. In fact I think it's really the only pair I got wrong about. Anyway after the Films I went to read the books and I understand how RxH happened a bit better. Though I personally think the develop meant for HxG could have gone better and one of the only flaws of the series. Anyway I believe J.K Rolling herself compared the shipping war to cyber warfare.

 

About HxH yeah did like the idea of the pairing but RxH seems to be more likely in the later harry potter books as for HxG i kinda was a shipper of that couple when i was around the 6th book of harry potter. After that it just became a bit to dramatizing in the 7th book i felt i was reading a drama i would normally find in TV series. I don't hate the ship, however Something did felt off about HxG in the last book. :headscratch:     


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Posted 03 November 2013 - 06:06 PM

Ichigo and Orihime and Naruhina are totally different, you cant compare the 2 they literally only have 1 aspect in common. 


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Posted 03 November 2013 - 06:22 PM

 

I find it really interesting that Sakura is displayed towards the front, a larger image, just behind the OP's heroine.  Do you think it's due to the popularityy/rank of each manga or each heroine?

I think it's just that OP is more popular than Naruto in Japan, OP is the most featured on jump covers and etc...

 

One Piece > Naruto > bleach.

 

 

Well, if it's true that the Japanese readers don't engage in pairing wars in the way that Western fans do, then I would say that the pairings wars wouldn't be an issue.  Kishi isn't writing for Western readers, Japanese readers are probably monitored, and considering how popular SS is in Japan and Kishi's treatment of SS I doubt that he's all that affected.

 

Explain then Hinata's unecessary panels.

I think he's aware of Hinata and her fanbase, about SS treatment is mostly due to development and progress.


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Posted 03 November 2013 - 07:08 PM

 

1.Whats your opinion on the recent tumblr attack on the ns tag about parallels? 

 

2. If NS becomes canon do you think theres going to be  a worldwide tread in twitter and a major shut down on tumblr, Nf ,Nb, and a hate video might get popular enough to be on the news and other social medias.

 

I may be over thinking on the second one, but when you have a fan base thats this crazy and hateful anything can happen.  :sweat:

 

Bah... invaders , whining about NS fans we are guilty we are '' a plauge'' etc., Ignore button FTW! :D

I would recommend some cheese with their whine :D, more i can't provide :lol: .
 

 

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 07:19 PM

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Heroine for me is just a label given by the author for the female character.
I think.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 07:23 PM

Eh sadly no matter what happens for some people. Even when characters show a much different change in growth or power, it still won't make a difference to others. I mean Sakura's growth in power was hands down high this arc, mentality it's been good too, biggest being her not trusting Sasuke, her speech to not have naruto do it all, and her concern for him.

Yet as good as her healing is, people still call her useless. I'm kinda shocked at just why can they still claim this? I mean take away the actions hinata did with kuramas power, the air palm and rasengan strike. Now what did she honestly do on her own this arc? Barely took down a jubbi clone herself, fixed narutos shoulders, and spent a fair time acting as bonoculars for sakura. Meanwhile sakura blows away the majority of the jubbi clones, calls katsysu, uses remote healing, releases the seal with tsunade, doing a joint technique with her, and even saving shikamaru with effort from naruto and tsunade. People seriously go on saying sakura is useless or healing is boring, well Sakura's actually did things, a lot of things this arc. No matter how popular hinata is, nothing has happened to give her a major power people look for constantly in heroes. Sakura has that with her seal and healing. Healing is nessessary, heck the only reason many were able to help naruto pull obitos chakra out was because so many allaince ninja are left because sakura and tsunade were able to heal them.

It's like a battle setup in wow, when I played the game years ago, there was always a simple battle formation out of 3 roles people could take:

Damage made the majority, the fighters, were split between melee and ranged. Melee took up close action with the tank or defenders, around him and the bad guy. Rouges would be behind the bosses to backstab them. Other times minions would be around so we would need to split up. Ranged simply stood back at mid range or longer to strike from afar. Usually heavy armor melee fighters stood upfront or around the enemy with the tank (usually warriors, paladins, and death knights)

Tanks were heavily armored and endured a lot of punishment, they needed enemies to focus on them so while the fought, everyone else was protected. Enemy on tanks, damage can strike them down while the enemy focused on the tank. Tanks still did some good damage, but they needed to endure lots of hits. Sometimes other tanks were around to switch out if one got too much on them.

Last role was obvious, the healers. Healers healed, buffed, and impeded enemies with debuffs form time to time. Healers had different specialties too like area healing, removing certain effects, or in limited cases, providing limited support. Some tanks had a designated a healer to only watch them. Healers always stood in back and moved with damage and tank of forces.

No raid bosses were just wear them down with overbearing power, it took strategy. I'm not saying the current fight was like a raid in wow but everyone in these things for wow has a job or role to do, the same is said in the current situation as sakura put it before. Her best is to heal people and she did that, even if she didn't get to join the rasengan strike. Her efforts with tsunade saved many others to enable that chakra tug of war.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 07:24 PM

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Heroine for me is just a label given by the author for the female character.
I think.

there are some who does it well, like pandora hearts. kishi is just not good at developing girls. he just sees them as girl hormones most of the time.

@hanabi Wait so Orihime is Heroine? If so then there was 2 mistakes in that NH image. LOL Orihime and Sakura <3

I'm not sure, not a reader of bleach. but i heard she appears more than rukia..

Come to think of it, what is considered heroine in many people? A person that participate in the battlefield or just being a female character with a status of main character/love interest?

for me its rather simple.. the first girl we see/ girl with the most screentime


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Posted 03 November 2013 - 07:32 PM

Well, to each of their own with heroine, but I do like what you guys say.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 08:35 PM

I might be a slowpoke on this, but sakura and naruto are very alike  :P

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 08:37 PM

Eh sadly no matter what happens for some people. Even when characters show a much different change in growth or power, it still won't make a difference to others. I mean Sakura's growth in power was hands down high this arc, mentality it's been good too, biggest being her not trusting Sasuke, her speech to not have naruto do it all, and her concern for him.

Yet as good as her healing is, people still call her useless. I'm kinda shocked at just why can they still claim this? I mean take away the actions hinata did with kuramas power, the air palm and rasengan strike. Now what did she honestly do on her own this arc? Barely took down a jubbi clone herself, fixed narutos shoulders, and spent a fair time acting as bonoculars for sakura. Meanwhile sakura blows away the majority of the jubbi clones, calls katsysu, uses remote healing, releases the seal with tsunade, doing a joint technique with her, and even saving shikamaru with effort from naruto and tsunade. People seriously go on saying sakura is useless or healing is boring, well Sakura's actually did things, a lot of things this arc. No matter how popular hinata is, nothing has happened to give her a major power people look for constantly in heroes. Sakura has that with her seal and healing. Healing is nessessary, heck the only reason many were able to help naruto pull obitos chakra out was because so many allaince ninja are left because sakura and tsunade were able to heal them.

It's like a battle setup in wow, when I played the game years ago, there was always a simple battle formation out of 3 roles people could take:

Damage made the majority, the fighters, were split between melee and ranged. Melee took up close action with the tank or defenders, around him and the bad guy. Rouges would be behind the bosses to backstab them. Other times minions would be around so we would need to split up. Ranged simply stood back at mid range or longer to strike from afar. Usually heavy armor melee fighters stood upfront or around the enemy with the tank (usually warriors, paladins, and death knights)

Tanks were heavily armored and endured a lot of punishment, they needed enemies to focus on them so while the fought, everyone else was protected. Enemy on tanks, damage can strike them down while the enemy focused on the tank. Tanks still did some good damage, but they needed to endure lots of hits. Sometimes other tanks were around to switch out if one got too much on them.

Last role was obvious, the healers. Healers healed, buffed, and impeded enemies with debuffs form time to time. Healers had different specialties too like area healing, removing certain effects, or in limited cases, providing limited support. Some tanks had a designated a healer to only watch them. Healers always stood in back and moved with damage and tank of forces.

No raid bosses were just wear them down with overbearing power, it took strategy. I'm not saying the current fight was like a raid in wow but everyone in these things for wow has a job or role to do, the same is said in the current situation as sakura put it before. Her best is to heal people and she did that, even if she didn't get to join the rasengan strike. Her efforts with tsunade saved many others to enable that chakra tug of war.

Naruto is the tank, healer, rogue and ranged at the same time.


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Posted 03 November 2013 - 08:37 PM

I might be a slowpoke on this, but sakura and naruto are very alike  :P

sasori fight

Well Kakashi said it best about her. Plus she "hates to lose".

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 08:40 PM

HARRY X HERMOINE SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED!! but that war was bad....very

 

@hanabi Wait so Orihime is Heroine? If so then there was 2 mistakes in that NH image. LOL Orihime and Sakura <3

 

Wow, a little case of shipper's angst, Baka chan?  I feel for you man.  I wanted them to get together too at the beginning.  I just accepted HarryXGinny in the end.

 

there are some who does it well, like pandora hearts. kishi is just not good at developing girls. he just sees them as girl hormones most of the time.

 

I'm not sure, not a reader of bleach. but i heard she appears more than rukia..

 

for me its rather simple.. the first girl we see/ girl with the most screentime

 

Lies!  Rukia has had way more screen time.

 

@ns4life
Heroine for me is just a label given by the author for the female character.
I think.

 

I can believe that.  Example:  Orihime in Bleach. Even though she is called the heroine.  For her, it really is just a title.



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Posted 03 November 2013 - 08:53 PM

About Bleach, I get the impression that there are two, if not possibly falls down as Yu Yu Hakusho situation. That said I sometimes feel that the author drew her due to body. Lol. Oh man...

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 08:55 PM

Naruto is the tank, healer, rogue and ranged at the same time.


That's why I always believe that naruto>sasukeh IF not for kishi decision to make naruto vs sasuke the last fight in this manga.
I mean all of sasuke battle, he always run out of chakra.
With naruto, he always running out of weapon, with the exception of garra fight.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 09:06 PM

Come to think of it, what is considered heroine in many people? A person that participate in the battlefield or just being a female character with a status of main character/love interest?

 

It depends. Heroines like Sakura, Winry and Tokine play a more supporting/encouraging role to the hero, while still getting their own individual development, but only Sakura and Tokine actually fight, Then there are heroines that have the role of central character, like Maka, who had a strong influence on the development of other characters, while still being an active participant on the battlefield and not technically speaking a 'love interest'. Or, a heroine might be a female character who is a driving force in the plot, like Alice from Pandora Hearts.  Or maybe they are heroine in name only. I don't define a heroine in any one way, because they can play different roles that vary story to story.

 

I kind of feel like I didn't explain that very well. :confused: Hopefully you get what I mean, my brain is so fried right now.



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Posted 03 November 2013 - 09:07 PM

 
It depends. Heroines like Sakura, Winry and Tokine play a more supporting/encouraging role to the hero, while still getting their own individual development, but only Sakura and Tokine actually fight, Then there are heroines that have the role of central character, like Maka, who had a strong influence on the development of other characters, while still being an active participant on the battlefield and not technically speaking a 'love interest'. Or, a heroine might be a female character who is a driving force in the plot, like Alice from Pandora Hearts.  Or maybe they are heroine in name only. I don't define a heroine in any one way, because they can play different roles that vary story to story.
 
I kind of feel like I didn't explain that very well. :confused: Hopefully you get what I mean, my brain is so fried right now.

Ah, this is a good explanation. Thanks.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 09:07 PM

Eh sadly no matter what happens for some people. Even when characters show a much different change in growth or power, it still won't make a difference to others. I mean Sakura's growth in power was hands down high this arc, mentality it's been good too, biggest being her not trusting Sasuke, her speech to not have naruto do it all, and her concern for him.
Yet as good as her healing is, people still call her useless. I'm kinda shocked at just why can they still claim this? I mean take away the actions hinata did with kuramas power, the air palm and rasengan strike. Now what did she honestly do on her own this arc? Barely took down a jubbi clone herself, fixed narutos shoulders, and spent a fair time acting as bonoculars for sakura. Meanwhile sakura blows away the majority of the jubbi clones, calls katsysu, uses remote healing, releases the seal with tsunade, doing a joint technique with her, and even saving shikamaru with effort from naruto and tsunade. People seriously go on saying sakura is useless or healing is boring, well Sakura's actually did things, a lot of things this arc. No matter how popular hinata is, nothing has happened to give her a major power people look for constantly in heroes. Sakura has that with her seal and healing. Healing is nessessary, heck the only reason many were able to help naruto pull obitos chakra out was because so many allaince ninja are left because sakura and tsunade were able to heal them.
It's like a battle setup in wow, when I played the game years ago, there was always a simple battle formation out of 3 roles people could take:
Damage made the majority, the fighters, were split between melee and ranged. Melee took up close action with the tank or defenders, around him and the bad guy. Rouges would be behind the bosses to backstab them. Other times minions would be around so we would need to split up. Ranged simply stood back at mid range or longer to strike from afar. Usually heavy armor melee fighters stood upfront or around the enemy with the tank (usually warriors, paladins, and death knights)
Tanks were heavily armored and endured a lot of punishment, they needed enemies to focus on them so while the fought, everyone else was protected. Enemy on tanks, damage can strike them down while the enemy focused on the tank. Tanks still did some good damage, but they needed to endure lots of hits. Sometimes other tanks were around to switch out if one got too much on them.
Last role was obvious, the healers. Healers healed, buffed, and impeded enemies with debuffs form time to time. Healers had different specialties too like area healing, removing certain effects, or in limited cases, providing limited support. Some tanks had a designated a healer to only watch them. Healers always stood in back and moved with damage and tank of forces.
No raid bosses were just wear them down with overbearing power, it took strategy. I'm not saying the current fight was like a raid in wow but everyone in these things for wow has a job or role to do, the same is said in the current situation as sakura put it before. Her best is to heal people and she did that, even if she didn't get to join the rasengan strike. Her efforts with tsunade saved many others to enable that chakra tug of war.


Man you are spot on. I play an MMORPG and one of my characters is a healer and I end up saving my friend who I usually play with I end up saving him with it. Not to mention with my of characters I get saved by healers as well when I do heroics and Flashpoints.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 09:17 PM

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Maka is what sakura should be if she become the protagonist/central/lead character. I mean in soul eater itself, maka always pick as a plain girl without interesting feature(doesn't have boob for example lol :P ).
And she has the narusasu relationship with krona.
And event until the main series end, the author never show maka mother. And she's the lead XD.
And naruto type (black star). And shikamaru splitting in two (ox and Harvard kun).

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I always see that bleach try to become the successor of yuyu haku so.
And naruto is the true dragon ball spiritual successor.
While onepiece make it's own standard. Wow.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 09:24 PM

I guess so. One thing about Shounen is there always a transformation from something inside whether it's born with or given. I wonder if anyone noticed that. I guess that's why One Piece is "different".

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 09:36 PM

 

Wow, a little case of shipper's angst, Baka chan?  I feel for you man.  I wanted them to get together too at the beginning.  I just accepted HarryXGinny in the end.

 

 

Lies!  Rukia has had way more screen time.

 

 

I can believe that.  Example:  Orihime in Bleach. Even though she is called the heroine.  For her, it really is just a title.

HxH was my all time favourite shipping.....I used to be in those heated shipping wars. LOL but when HxH didn't happen I just stopped watching Harry Potter. A lot of people share my pain. Although Orihime is my fav character from bleac rukia has had more screen time. But Orihime ftw.



 





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