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Posted 03 November 2015 - 03:29 AM

What was your reaction to 631 and 663?

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Posted 03 November 2015 - 04:30 AM

What was your reaction to 631 and 663?

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Posted 03 November 2015 - 05:35 AM

mine for 663 was i STILL remember my reaction lol

 

*me reading naruto chapter 663*

me: waw sakura looks pretty

-click get to the CPR-

me: -jaw drops, eyes go wide then i yell- IT'S THE KISS OF LIFE!



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Posted 03 November 2015 - 02:07 PM

mine for 663 was i STILL remember my reaction lol
 
*me reading naruto chapter 663*
me: waw sakura looks pretty
-click get to the CPR-
me: -jaw drops, eyes go wide then i yell- IT'S THE KISS OF LIFE!

I thought that was the seal deal of NS.

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Posted 03 November 2015 - 03:24 PM

I started the series on October 2nd, 2015 so i immediately found out. I had an unbiased opinion of it because id only seen around 11 episodes when i found out. So i said cool lets see how this is gonna be worked into this anime/manga. i get to the ending of the first part of naruto and think maybe they will get more serious with NaruHina now that in shippuden they will be older. NO so much NO i'm on episode 312 and i can only remember Hinatas confession just barely because of how it was ignored immediatley.

 

It was at that point were i really started to question kishimotos motives and wether it was really bad romance writing on his part or if he wanted to take some weird approach to it. im gonna continue thinking theres some weird unexplained motive here to make sure the hours i spent binge watching and building up the image of NaruSaku, despite me knowing NaruHina was canon, werent a waste of my time.



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Posted 03 November 2015 - 05:33 PM

What was your reaction to 631 and 663?

It approximately happened like this: 

631 : What ...WHAAAAT? What's happeeenniing ??? don't  take his haaannd, you secondary character !  :argh:  :argh:  Whyyyyyy is this happening ?  :pinch:  :cry:  :cry: ...well, that won't change anything, he still loves Sakura.

 

663: the pages before the CPR scene: Yeaaah Sakura !! save hiiim! show you looovee hiiimmm !! 

the CPR scene: :jawdrops: OH GOD OOOH GOOD :heartattack: then I kept coming back to see the scene over and over again !  :love:  :love:  :love:  :love:  :love:  :love:  :love:  :love:  :love:  :love:  :love:


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Posted 03 November 2015 - 05:51 PM

Oh yeah since the website was on lockdown that day, what was you guys and gals reaction after reading chapter 699?

after seeing this image i can't sleep for 3 days straight

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Its like witnessing the impossible become possible, or like seeing ghost for real it shock you really hard. I mean who can guess after CPR and Chidori of Heart ,SS will be cannon?? never in million years seeing a garden of beautiful flowers and in blink of an eye it suddenly become a wasteland.


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Posted 03 November 2015 - 06:10 PM

/\ @yyubie, Oh that was awful. I think my heart broke. I hadn't read the spoilers, so I was utterly surprised. It was just awful. Everything after that was like sliding over a waterfall. It just kept going down, down, down. I don't even think I read the pages after that, just saw them without thinking, I was in such shock. And I haven't looked at them again. I wish I were like some people here who caught wind of the ending and refused to read it. I would have been better off.

 

As for the chapters when I thought NS was locked in, mine had to be when Naruto says to Minato that Sakura is his girlfriend and Minato approves. In fact, I couldn't believe there wasn't more blowback from the NH faction after that chapter. To me, it was a subtle confirmation of what we all knew — NS for the win.

 

Sakura was the one introduced to his father. She was the one powerful enough to be working in such close proximity to Minato. She was the one Naruto introduced as his girlfriend. And, most importantly, she was the one who received Minato's blessing. 

 

Hinata was none of those things. She was not introduced to Minato, not powerful enough to even be near them, not acknowledged by Naruto and not recognized by the people who loved Naruto the most.

 

I remember after reading that chapter it was like, 'Game Over.' No matter what happened next, this moment had been then invisible nod to NaruSaku. Kishimoto may try to push NH, and may drag out the pairing wars, but in the very end, NS would prevail. Minato's acknowledgement was a huge milestone in the story.

 

But...I was wrong. Kishimoto didn't care about consistency, only shock value. So he put in a plot device that would be important in any other plot, only to throw it out the window as a misdirect so it would make the NH ending all the more shocking. He simply didn't care about the story anymore...and we just didn't know it yet.



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Posted 03 November 2015 - 06:39 PM

I started the series on October 2nd, 2015 so i immediately found out. I had an unbiased opinion of it because id only seen around 11 episodes when i found out. So i said cool lets see how this is gonna be worked into this anime/manga. i get to the ending of the first part of naruto and think maybe they will get more serious with NaruHina now that in shippuden they will be older. NO so much NO i'm on episode 312 and i can only remember Hinatas confession just barely because of how it was ignored immediatley.
 
It was at that point were i really started to question kishimotos motives and wether it was really bad romance writing on his part or if he wanted to take some weird approach to it. im gonna continue thinking theres some weird unexplained motive here to make sure the hours i spent binge watching and building up the image of NaruSaku, despite me knowing NaruHina was canon, werent a waste of my time.

Are you just started it? How long do you take to finish reading the manga?

Well, why do you think kishimoto wife thought NS will be the end pairing and not nh/ss.

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Posted 03 November 2015 - 07:22 PM

I'm glad I'm not the only one with those reactions when I first saw those significant panels. I WAS expecting NH/SS at FIRST because of the hand holding scene, and Hinata's long-term crush on Naruto, and I thought....It's not realistic for Kishimoto to give a big backslap to a character who's been admiring Naruto for 700 chapters even if NaruSaku made most sense. Being mean to a character who has no romantic interests in any other character besides Naruto? I didn't think that would happen at first (it didn't happen.) But then Naruto got CPR and also Sakura met Minato, and Sakura noticing how horrible Sasuke is, etc.

 

He definitely didn't intend SS, for sure. But why did Kishi add the Hinata "I Love You" +Pein arc scene in the first place and why Hinata, if he didn't intend NH?

 

 

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The ones who say they expected nh/ss ( the majority of the Naruto fandom, sadly ) also claim it was obvious and they saw it as early as chap 200s you must be stupid to not have seen it ................. Conclusion: don't waste your time on them


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Posted 03 November 2015 - 09:36 PM

It approximately happened like this: 

631 : What ...WHAAAAT? What's happeeenniing ??? don't  take his haaannd, you secondary character !  :argh:  :argh:  Whyyyyyy is this happening ?  :pinch:  :cry:  :cry: ...well, that won't change anything, he still loves Sakura.

 

663: the pages before the CPR scene: Yeaaah Sakura !! save hiiim! show you looovee hiiimmm !! 

the CPR scene: :jawdrops: OH GOD OOOH GOOD :heartattack: then I kept coming back to see the scene over and over again !  :love:  :love:  :love:  :love:  :love:  :love:  :love:  :love:  :love:  :love:  :love:

the handhold with hinata was 615



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Posted 03 November 2015 - 11:06 PM

I feel like anyone who might have expected it was lying this whole time about being apart of this fraction of the fandom

 

I'm glad I'm not the only one with those reactions when I first saw those significant panels. I WAS expecting NH/SS at FIRST because of the hand holding scene, and Hinata's long-term crush on Naruto, and I thought....It's not realistic for Kishimoto to give a big backslap to a character who's been admiring Naruto for 700 chapters even if NaruSaku made most sense. Being mean to a character who has no romantic interests in any other character besides Naruto? I didn't think that would happen at first (it didn't happen.) But then Naruto got CPR and also Sakura met Minato, and Sakura noticing how horrible Sasuke is, etc.

 

He definitely didn't intend SS, for sure. But why did Kishi add the Hinata "I Love You" +Pein arc scene in the first place and why Hinata, if he didn't intend NH?

 

@Mangareader and Toby

 

Let's be clear!

It's NOT that Naruhina was 'obvious' or that Hinata was SOOOOO in LURVEEE and worthy of Naruto's love or that the plot seemed to lead into this sappy ending...

 

Just it had become increasingly clear that Kishimoto was a sh*thead and didn't give a kitten about his story. :hm:

 

 

/\ @yyubie, Oh that was awful. I think my heart broke. I hadn't read the spoilers, so I was utterly surprised. It was just awful. Everything after that was like sliding over a waterfall. It just kept going down, down, down. I don't even think I read the pages after that, just saw them without thinking, I was in such shock. And I haven't looked at them again. I wish I were like some people here who caught wind of the ending and refused to read it. I would have been better off.

 

As for the chapters when I thought NS was locked in, mine had to be when Naruto says to Minato that Sakura is his girlfriend and Minato approves. In fact, I couldn't believe there wasn't more blowback from the NH faction after that chapter. To me, it was a subtle confirmation of what we all knew — NS for the win.

 

Sakura was the one introduced to his father. She was the one powerful enough to be working in such close proximity to Minato. She was the one Naruto introduced as his girlfriend. And, most importantly, she was the one who received Minato's blessing. 

 

Hinata was none of those things. She was not introduced to Minato, not powerful enough to even be near them, not acknowledged by Naruto and not recognized by the people who loved Naruto the most.

 

I remember after reading that chapter it was like, 'Game Over.' No matter what happened next, this moment had been then invisible nod to NaruSaku. Kishimoto may try to push NH, and may drag out the pairing wars, but in the very end, NS would prevail. Minato's acknowledgement was a huge milestone in the story.

 

But...I was wrong. Kishimoto didn't care about consistency, only shock value. So he put in a plot device that would be important in any other plot, only to throw it out the window as a misdirect so it would make the NH ending all the more shocking. He simply didn't care about the story anymore...and we just didn't know it yet.

 

Oh my... My poor, poor Tricksie... I totally understand... :shake:

 

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Posted 04 November 2015 - 07:08 AM

I still haven't read the last two chapters :cry: Seeing Sakura with Sasuke just gives me a terrible heartache :confused:

But in all honesty, 'that' time was when the strength of our fandom was tested. It seemed terrible at first. Just like all the edos would turn into ashes and blow away, it felt the same way for NS. Everything blown to ashes and dust and gone with wind! We deserved to rejoice. We deserved to win. We deserved a happy ending but we got absolutely NONE of these. The whole fandom was a mess! But know what? It all turned the fandom into something that no other fandom could ever be. Everyone uniited for one...singular purpose...NS! Justice for the pairing that we all once cherished. Funny how a fictional pair managed to give birth to something like this. We suffered in pain, agony, felt betrayed, but the way things took a turn over here, it was beautiful! Each one could relate to the other over here and everyone was doing their best to raise each others spirits! Mods, users, everyone....I can't find words now that I remember those moments. It was almost like a disaster-hit place scenario. Things torn and tattered and some lost to the time but people helping each other through the mess. Sticking together, offering support, bandaging others wounds, helping others suffering in agony! Those moments truly were the times when fandom stood together. In all honesty, never have I been in a community like this before. The fandom prevailed, and it still does, stronger than ever! We lost some of us, but I hope we'll have them back one day! This community truly is amazing!

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Posted 04 November 2015 - 07:58 AM

To be honest I never really wanted Hinata to end up with Naruto not because i hate her character but because i hate her fanbase.

 

But getting it from a story perspective hinata is a non existent in the manga for the most part.

 

The first time she appeared was the chunin exam arc where her purpose in the story was not to start up her romance with naruto. It was to be the nice kind girl that was friendly to naruto, so when she got beaten up by neji it would motivate us and Naruto for that fight in the exam, and to give naruto motivation for his training with jiraiya.

 

Next time she appeared was at the end of part one when naruto was leaving neji suggested that she go see naruto and kiba tells him and us that she once tried visiting him in the hospitable but fainted and hasn't see or tried to talked to him for 3 months while he waited for jiraiya.

 

First time we see her in part two it just to reestablish the other teams and how they grown in the past 2 1/2 years.

 

Then she and Naruto are finally on a team and actually have to pair up with yamato but more or less they have alone time to bond. What is her reason for being pair up with him for the story during the hunt for itachi arc? When Kabuto appears she can tell us how far orochimaru cells have infected his body...no really that is it.

 

Now to be honest it not require for a love interest to be major part of the story. As long as she expresses Her Love of her feeling towards him and he acknowledges those feeling then it all good.

 

Now saying that lets get to Hinata's love confession and Naruto reaction towards it. Hinata charges in and attacks Pain Naruto says she should run because there is now way of her being able to beat him and Pain will likely kill her. She agrees says she is selfish then tells him her feeling towards him. He is shocked into silence, and she charges then seem to die. Now I think we all agree by now that the reason she did that is because she couldn't bare the thought of Naruto or her dying with out him knowing of her feeling towards him. She her love confession was basically a suicide note. Now Naruto after that incident does not talk to hinata about it at all and makes no clue to the reader if he even acknowledge the confession in anyway after. So her confession was rejected.

 

After that Sakura had her confession (where naruto has a conversation about it and that confession had some importance to the plot) and for the most part the war arc is basically was a ping pong between NS and nH moment between the two (somewhat). That is until Neji death.

 

Neji's death was basically Hinata true big moment her cousin died and she "inspired" Naruto (with the help of kurama) so at that time you could consider her one chance of her taking over the heroine status (in theory). But does anyone remember how that went? She about 2-3 chapter where she was important then we had a sasuke arc and then by 15 chapters after her big moment sakura had her big speech and was back in the reins of indisputable heroine status.  Then Minato asked if she was Naruto girlfriend which naruto said more or less and she did not say no to. Then Minato her compared her to his wife.

 

The final time she ever had a shot of importance in the story was when Naruto was dying. What happened? Kiba told her to look with her white eyes to see how naruto doing. She did realized her was dying and immediately started running and then almost immediately trip on a rock and fell and didn't get up laying there begged ghost neji to look over Naruto. While she was doing that Sakura was fighting to keep Naruto alive even reaching into his chest to pump his heart and giving him cpr.

 

Last time we see her before the end she is just standing some where getting caught up in the IT. We don't even know if she tried to go after gaara or if she gave and just waited around to see what would happen.

 

Also one more thing Kushina when talking to Naruto when he was battling kurama gave a list of commands she gave to him when her and minato were dying. Naruto once the battle was over immediately went over the list to see how he was doing with all her commands. When his dad was disappearing he then told his dad how he was doing on the list so he can tell kushina how naruto is doing. So clearly that list instantly became important to him because it represented his mother's love and concern towards him. One of the thing on the list "avoid weird girl and find a girl like your mother." Why would Naruto who seem to really consider this list really important suddenly abandon it the same reason why he abandon his mother scarf in the last. It basically pro NS and anti nH. So you must throw away his feeling towards his mother and make it so that hinata was the first and only person who ever loved him and she is the only person he truly loves.

 

That the problem with her if she was in the background and just married Naruto at the end it would have been tolerable. But instead they are trying to justify the ending by playing up her importance which she just doesn't have in the story. Not only that but by doing so it brings up Naruto interaction and bond with Sakura (since they are trying to remove her from the heroine status) which in comparison come off as better overall and more believable. 

 

In short nH isn't believable because the story doesn't point toward it. It point towards another pairing.


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 04 November 2015 - 08:13 AM.


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Posted 04 November 2015 - 08:37 AM

/\ @yyubie, Oh that was awful. I think my heart broke. I hadn't read the spoilers, so I was utterly surprised. It was just awful. Everything after that was like sliding over a waterfall. It just kept going down, down, down. I don't even think I read the pages after that, just saw them without thinking, I was in such shock. And I haven't looked at them again. I wish I were like some people here who caught wind of the ending and refused to read it. I would have been better off.

 

As for the chapters when I thought NS was locked in, mine had to be when Naruto says to Minato that Sakura is his girlfriend and Minato approves. In fact, I couldn't believe there wasn't more blowback from the NH faction after that chapter. To me, it was a subtle confirmation of what we all knew — NS for the win.

 

Sakura was the one introduced to his father. She was the one powerful enough to be working in such close proximity to Minato. She was the one Naruto introduced as his girlfriend. And, most importantly, she was the one who received Minato's blessing. 

 

Hinata was none of those things. She was not introduced to Minato, not powerful enough to even be near them, not acknowledged by Naruto and not recognized by the people who loved Naruto the most.

 

I remember after reading that chapter it was like, 'Game Over.' No matter what happened next, this moment had been then invisible nod to NaruSaku. Kishimoto may try to push NH, and may drag out the pairing wars, but in the very end, NS would prevail. Minato's acknowledgement was a huge milestone in the story.

 

But...I was wrong. Kishimoto didn't care about consistency, only shock value. So he put in a plot device that would be important in any other plot, only to throw it out the window as a misdirect so it would make the NH ending all the more shocking. He simply didn't care about the story anymore...and we just didn't know it yet.

It really was tricksie. Most people saw it that way, which why Naruto is in such a decline since the ending has happened. Since anyone could see that the story was all but leading to NS end if anything or an open ending at worst. The only one who didn't were the nH fans who didn't want their fantasy of them using Naruto as a insert character to fantasize about having that beautiful perfectly obedient woman they always wanted. They didn't want to lose that fantasy, which is why they got so aggressive the closer to the end we got,  why they gloated when it was finish, and why the so furiously defend it to the death when everyone bashes it.

 

Let face it even kishimoto probably hates the ending the only reason he doesn't come out and say it is he is a coward who following order and he doesn't want to lose the little face he has left. The reason he went with the ending is as far as everyone at jump was concerned Naruto was their big international money maker, so to keep that cash flow going after the manga ended they wanted to find out what international people wanted Naruto to end on. They found the nH youtube reviewers and saw their views and thought that they were the voice for (the biggest consumer nation in the world) US's Naruto fanbase. Without that misunderstanding nH would have never had happened.


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 04 November 2015 - 08:42 AM.


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Posted 04 November 2015 - 08:45 AM

Honestly if someone really wants to get kishmoto attention become a famous reviewer of his manga on youtube apparently.



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Posted 04 November 2015 - 12:31 PM

Honestly, in part one it was a viable ship just like NS was a ship with development that could work for a ending paring, but once part two came along and saw the bonding of both Naruto and Sakura I would have said not in a million years would Naruto suddenly fall magically in love with Hinata in the last few chapters of the manga.
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Posted 06 November 2015 - 04:07 AM

Honestly, in part one it was a viable ship just like NS was a ship with development that could work for a ending paring, but once part two came along and saw the bonding of both Naruto and Sakura I would have said not in a million years would Naruto suddenly fall magically in love with Hinata in the last few chapters of the manga.


More people watched Part 1 than Part 2
Most NH/SS moments were part 1 in particular Hinata's fight against Neji and Hinata calling Naruto a "proud failure" and I recall she was the first and only person to do that to his face (besides Iruka) not even Kakashi, Sasuke or Sakura did. Sakura thought it a lot but she never said it to motivate Naruto. Hinata also said she joined the Chuunin exams b/c she wanted to see if she could CHANGE (unlike most of her fans, Hinata sees her low self confidence as a BAD thing) Hinata was most similar to Naruto; kept getting back up even though she suffered 1000 wounds from Neji. Then all her development stopped.

Once part 2 happened, Hinata just became a side character whose entire character revolved around her crush on Naruto, I was so disappointed. Also that Sasori vs Sakura fight made me like Sakura more, like wow at that point Sakura was so similar to Naruto. Kept getting back up after suffering 1000 wounds from Sasori. Very Naruto-like. I had the feeling Hinata's part 1 integrity jumped inside part 2 Sakura. Like, they switched places.....controversal opinion I guess


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Posted 06 November 2015 - 11:32 PM

What was your reaction to 631 

That's an interesting question... I feel like I got a good laugh from that because the world was pissed off that Minato wasn't even aware of Hinata. On the other hand Sakura didn't deny it so it's kinda hard to say she didn't have any feelings for Naruto at all (or rather Kishimoto's hand wave technique) 

 

and 663?

Another good laugh because the world got pissed off again that Sakura made contact with Naruto's lips before Hinata could and more to the point refused to see it as anything more then a friend saving a friend despite A. If Hinata does it, it's probably game set match for them and B. I thought Sakura didn't care that much about Naruto, not after what I constantly heard from the opposition. I did however feel quite relieved when I first read this chapter because it showed just how far Sakura had come from when she was first introduced 

 

Looking back at this one though, what the heck was the significance of even showing Hinata? Her words meant nothing and her failing to reach Naruto meant nothing, so it was basically wasted panel time that could have been used elsewhere. And you know what, I probably actually might find the ending a tad better if Hinata (despite lack of logic) was the one to save Naruto, much to the chagrin of the fans clamoring Sakura would ditch Naruto in a heartbeat had she known Sasuke was also on deaths door


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Posted 07 November 2015 - 08:02 AM

Who would have thought after CPR scene which makes me sure that NS is 100% confirm end game, kishi still try to tease and instigating more pairing wars :confused:

SS moment

I mean yeah really?? after sasuke trying to cut madara together with sakura in two while she act as a decoy? after that many murder attempt? No matter how wild and crazy my brain imagination even if i lived for another century i would never have guess sasuke will do this. After seeing that scene my faith/confidence in NS decrease by about 35%.

 

And then the next week just after that chapter the next one come with another SS moment in color cover

SS riding horse full color

Yeah my logical side trying to convince myself its just a damn cover theres nothing to worry about but i must admit i can't lie its a bad omen for NS.

 

And then after than come Kakakshi inner speech for all his team 7 member, and for sakura he said its no longer love, even if she has feelings for sasuke its probably different feelings. I feel so relieve after this, once again i have full faith in NS.

 

And then sakura desperately confess her love for sasuke for the second time in front of naruto face i mean how can you do that? how can you confess in front of another guy and just ignore his feelings by confessing to sasuke? its must have been hurt like hell for naruto hearing sakura just ignore him and confess to sasuke in front of him. Once again i count this as SS moment and again i feel depress knowing its near the end of this manga, but sasuke replied with chidori of heart through genjutsu. :sweat: :argh: :lmao:

 

You know after all this time i feel kishi toy with my feelings, i felt he is shaking me right and left. Its like when you ask something to someone for example i ask A and he replied 'i don't know ask B', then i ask B and again he replied 'I don't know ask C', then i come to C and ask him but he replied with 'I don't know ask A' :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: .

NS moment, then SS moment, next NS moment, then after that SS moment again and again jessus christ, why why can't that sack of bull**** make up his mind and make it clear. I can't express or describe how mad i was back there.


Edited by Yyubie, 07 November 2015 - 08:06 AM.

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