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[VanitasDS76491]

Okay folks it is time to continue my tirade!!!   
 
Hinata Part II- AND HERE IS THE KICKER we've all been waiting for. The part of the story where the shy cutie that "loves" Naruto blossoms and emerges from her cocoon to be a "huge breasted babe" that her fans are screaming at the  top of their lungs "Naruto MUST GET TOGETHER with this divine goddess by any means necessary because god help us, Naruto can not live without those "enormous fun bags"!! So we get the time skip to Part II/Shippuden,yada yada yada, Gaara is saved, Naruto an co. return and they now need a third member for their squad Naruto goes through his options because they are all not available or have other duties and obligations, then he runs into Hinata............. Who hides behind a fence and can't bear to look at him and faints when in his presence for two seconds.Then we cut to the Sasuke tracking/ Sasuke versus Itachi arc where team 8 is assigned to help out team 7 track down Sasuke and Hinata is put together with Naruto. Before I continue on I want to point out a few things first. Notice how interactions between the so called "love birds" have been kept to a minimal and their "reunion" is played more for comedy than anything? I see the danger signs here and I'm pretty sure all of you did too. Hinata is not given a prominence in Naruto's life nor is she showing to have an intimate understanding of him on any level. You don't even see any panel drawn with her reassuring Naruto, Sasuke will be found to show she understands Naruto thinks the world of Sasuke. There is no indication that she inspires Naruto like Naruto inspires her. So WHAT CHANCE is Kishi giving Hinata at this point? Sure, he is lumping the two together for a mission but is he giving focus on them or giving them an emotional connection? is he indicating that Hinata can be considered an importance in Naruto's life that he values her as a person beyond a friend and a believable romance can sprout from the two of them?
 
Moving on, we now have the Pain Invasion arc, where Nagato, his six rinnegan bodies and Konan plan to take Naruto by force, and very nearly succeed. In jumps Hinata who starts a suicidal confrontation with Pain and confesses her love for Naruto and being seemly killed in front of him and Naruto goes berserk and enters his eight tailed form. Hinata's fans treat this as the divine word of god that Naruto is meant to get together with his sweetheart that was always there for him, but guess what? There was a counter balance that rendered that entire argument moot. Sakura hugged Naruto in front of the whole village in the aftermath and there was no Jealousy or even anxiety across Hinata's face. Naruto did not ask for Hinata personally to give his thoughts or answer to her confession. Again where is this chance Kishi is supposed to give Hinata in regards to love? there have been opportune moments to expand on these moments between Naruto and Hinata yet they were always absent and dismissed with no second thoughts. And let us NOT FORGET Naruto never addressed Hinata 's confession for two whole years after the fact as their "love story movie" can attest to. We now go on to the post events of the Kage Summit arc and notice again how much content I am skipping in between each of the scenes where Hinata is present. Naruto just declared that he would be the one to deal with Sasuke and requests for everyone to stay out of it. NO DIALOGUE from Hinata at all, She just stands there and lets Naruto speak, but shows no concern or even understanding that something is off about Naruto, but all of the other members are calling BS and demanding to know why. Even those that Naruto is not particularly close to argue with him on his decision and want to know his reasoning but Hinata just keeps her mouth shut. Where is the emotional connection again, I ask? where is the identification that Hinata is part of Naruto's inner world and is privy to how he feels and thinks to know something is off about him? Now skipping to the war arc Where Naruto has clones left right and centre to aid allies on the battlefield and obviously he runs into Hinata and they have a talk about how he thinks she is strong as she is. But no more than that, there was no addressing what ever feelings supposedly developed within him for Hinata and they just leave it at that. Then Neji is killed right in front of them and apparently that is meant to be the solidifying moment that they become a couple but again these last two moments are offset by another moment between Naruto and Sakura. The ET (Edo Tensei) version of Minato, NARUTO'S OWN FATHER arrives where Naruo is being treated by Sakura. He then thanks Sakura for taking care of Naruto and asks  if Sakura is Naruto's girlfriend to Which Naruto contemplates what to say and ultimately goes with "sort of". Right after Minato see Sakura's fiery temperament, he is reminded of his own wife and tells Sakura he leaves Naruto in her hands. And where is the denial and correction if Naruto did not feel that way about Sakura anymore, and is now interested in Hinata? Where is the "No this is just my squad mate and friend, the girl that I like is over there"? Or at least Naruto saying no, Sakura is not his girlfriend to keep things ambiguous if that was the intent. We then move to the last two scenes of NaruHina moments before the big wedding, where Hinata's Infinite Tsukuyomi dream is her going out with Naruto and the scene that focuses on Naruto and Hinata during Neji's funeral. And again supposedly that is meant to be interpreted as Naruto moving on from Sakura, but again the movie called "The Last" says other wise. All of this occured before the events of that movie but Naruto STILL did not notice or care about Hinata's feelings until the middle of said movie.
 
Really I need not say more. The movie was a cheap  ploy to make Naruto and Hinata's romance believable and develop properly they say.  BUT WHERE is the development during the actual manga's run? I've mentioned time and again that any moment that occurred between Naruto, and Hinata could have been and SHOULD have been expanded upon if the intention was to make them a couple through natural story progression. Where are those moments? Why was "The Last Naruto the movie" Needed if Hinata was meant to be Naruto's love interest and the developments were there? And more importantly, WHY were the actual moments from the manga outright ignored during that movie? And no, the series is not about romance is NOT AN EXCUSE and I will  EXPLICITLY explain why with my next post On NaruSaku and anime/manga couples in general And MAN will that be my magnum Opus for NaruSaku arguments

Agreed on everything you said cause I just watched a video by tyrantx on why he hates hinata and brings up good points like she's pointless and weak, cause out of the whole generation she's part of she's the weakest. He even shows examples one being the pain thing and she not showing any emotion when Neji died because of her selfishness.

[Phantom_999]

I just now realized something.

Proenders and Sakura haters keep saying that Sakura is horrible because she manipulated Naruto and lied to him. HOWEVER, they also say that Naruto never loved Sakura in the first place. Well, which is it?

You can't manipulate something that doesn't exist. So how can Sakura manipulate Naruto's feelings, but Naruto never having feelings for Sakura in the first place? Do you see the oxymoron I see?

So, there are three choices:

1. Sakura manipulated Naruto's feelings for her to get to Sasuke thus proving that Naruto had feelings for Sakura all along to be manipulated making Hinata the sloppy second; proving that Naruto never loved Hinata at all and he just settled for whatever he could get

OR

2. Naruto never loved Sakura at all like what Naruto the Last said in which he only wanted Sakura over a "rivalry game" and thus there is no way for Sakura to be a manipulator because Naruto never loved her in the first place.

or I just go with
3. Kishimoto retconned everything because he was told to and he stopped caring a long time ago thus destroying his story altogether.

 
Indeed. But I have already reasoned out in my head as to why they keep saying that and what a load of bunk it is. Simply put, they want Hinata to win, but not only that. They want her to win by absolution and ZERO PERCENT DOUBT because those that Identify with either Hinata or Naruto have their friend zoning P.T.S.D.  triggered or they find Sakura's starting personality to be annoying and unforgivable. So they keep repeating "Naruto NEVER loved Sakura and Sakura NEVER LOVED Naruto" like a mantra. They want to be SOOOO assured of their victory with NaruHina and NOT give NaruSaku fans an inch or doubt that NaruHina reigned supreme.
 
Why else do you think they say NaruHina had all of the development they ever needed in the manga but then cling onto the BS that is called "The Last, Naruto the Movie"? They can't admit Naruto and Hinata needed that retcon development to actually kick off their marriage, but they don't want us to have ANY satisfaction that Sakura falling in love with Naruto and Naruto loving Sakura all that time was possible, because then then that is admitting Sakura was the prominent love interest for the majority of the manga untill 699-700 which again they are SALTY (hahahaha!) about Sakura rejecting Naruto (at first), Naruto taking no notice of Hinata (Even now), Sakura's initial attitude and squeaky, obnoxious fan girl tendencies for Sasuke, or some combination of "all of the above". they can't admit that Naruto X Sakura fans were right ON ANYTHING because that would shatter their "fragile egos" so they repeat those arguments over and over in their minds until it becomes an obsession to them.
 
But just as you said, If Naruto never loved Sakura what feelings were there for her to manipulate on him? There would be nothing there but hey, the promise of a life time wouldn't have occurred at all. But if Sakura WAS a "manipulative thot" that was seducing Naruto to her whims and betrayed Naruto's feelings, then they are ADMITTING Naruto's feelings were real and he just "settled for Hinata".  It is either their irrational hatred for Sakura is unfounded, or they are admitting that a key factor to their argument is that NaruSaku fans were right in that Naruto's feelings for Sakura were genuine. But they don't want to admit either or, so I quote you again, "they chop off their leg so as to not shoot themselves in the foot", BUUUT in this case they "chopped off both legs" and are now a bloody, walk-less stump of upper body  

Edited by Phantom_999, 03 September 2019 - 10:37 AM.

[VanitasDS76491]

Indeed. But I have already reasoned out in my head as to why they keep saying that and what a load of bunk it is. Simply put, they want Hinata to win, but not only that. They want her to win by absolution and ZERO PERCENT DOUBT because those that Identify with either Hinata or Naruto have their friend zoning P.T.S.D.  triggered or they find Sakura's starting personality to be annoying and unforgivable. So they keep repeating "Naruto NEVER loved Sakura and Sakura NEVER LOVED Naruto" like a mantra. They want to be SOOOO assured of their victory with NaruHina and NOT give NaruSaku fans an inch or doubt that their couple reigned supreme.
 
Why else do you think they say NaruHina had all of the development they ever needed in the manga but then cling onto the BS that is called "The Last, Naruto the Movie"? They can't admit Naruto and Hinata needed that retcon development to actually kick off their marriage, but they don't want us to have ANY satisfaction that Sakura falling in love with Naruto and Naruto loving Sakura all that time was possible, because then then that is admitting Sakura was the prominent love interest for all that time which again they are SALTY (hahahaha!) about Sakura rejecting Naruto (at first), Naruto taking no notice of Hinata (Even now), Sakura's initial attitude and squeaky, obnoxious fan girl tendencies for Sasuke, or some combination of "all of the above". they can't admit that Naruto X Sakura fans were right ON ANYTHING because that would shatter their "fragile egos" so they repeat those arguments over and over in their minds until it becomes an obsession to them.
 
But just as you said, If Naruto never loved Sakura what feelings there for her to manipulate on him? There would be nothing there, but hey the promise of a life time wouldn't have occurred at all. But if Sakura WAS a "manipulative thot" that was seducing Naruto to her whims and betrayed Naruto's feelings, then they are ADMITTING Naruto's feelings were real and he just "settled for Hinata".  It is either their irrational hatred for Sakura is unfounded, or they are admitting that a key factor to their argument is that NaruSaku fans were right in that Naruto's feelings for Sakura were genuine. But they don't want to admit either or so I quote you again, "they Chop of their leg so as to not shoot themselves in the foot", BUUUT in this case they "choped off both legs" and are now a bloody, walk-less stump of upper body  

Sounds about right.
Plus hinata should have died in her fight with neji since I'm sure her heart stopped. Plus they probably let go when hinata almost let Naruto cheat off her and risk him losing his dream where as Sakura was willing to give up her chance at being a chunin so Naruto could still get his dream. She cared about him in that moment and how much being hokage meant to him, cause really it's all Naruto had according to sakura.

[James S Cassidy]

 
Indeed. But I have already reasoned out in my head as to why they keep saying that and what a load of bunk it is. Simply put, they want Hinata to win, but not only that. They want her to win by absolution and ZERO PERCENT DOUBT because those that Identify with either Hinata or Naruto have their friend zoning P.T.S.D.  triggered or they find Sakura's starting personality to be annoying and unforgivable. So they keep repeating "Naruto NEVER loved Sakura and Sakura NEVER LOVED Naruto" like a mantra. They want to be SOOOO assured of their victory with NaruHina and NOT give NaruSaku fans an inch or doubt that NaruHina reigned supreme.
 
Why else do you think they say NaruHina had all of the development they ever needed in the manga but then cling onto the BS that is called "The Last, Naruto the Movie"? They can't admit Naruto and Hinata needed that retcon development to actually kick off their marriage, but they don't want us to have ANY satisfaction that Sakura falling in love with Naruto and Naruto loving Sakura all that time was possible, because then then that is admitting Sakura was the prominent love interest for the majority for all of the manga untill 699-700 which again they are SALTY (hahahaha!) about Sakura rejecting Naruto (at first), Naruto taking no notice of Hinata (Even now), Sakura's initial attitude and squeaky, obnoxious fan girl tendencies for Sasuke, or some combination of "all of the above". they can't admit that Naruto X Sakura fans were right ON ANYTHING because that would shatter their "fragile egos" so they repeat those arguments over and over in their minds until it becomes an obsession to them.
 
But just as you said, If Naruto never loved Sakura what feelings were there for her to manipulate on him? There would be nothing there, but hey the promise of a life time wouldn't have occurred at all. But if Sakura WAS a "manipulative thot" that was seducing Naruto to her whims and betrayed Naruto's feelings, then they are ADMITTING Naruto's feelings were real and he just "settled for Hinata".  It is either their irrational hatred for Sakura is unfounded, or they are admitting that a key factor to their argument is that NaruSaku fans were right in that Naruto's feelings for Sakura were genuine. But they don't want to admit either or, so I quote you again, "they chop off their leg so as to not shoot themselves in the foot", BUUUT in this case they "chopped off both legs" and are now a bloody, walk-less stump of upper body  

Agreed. They really don't know what they are saying.

Although, it comes down to one simple fact that I keep pointing out to them. If they truly hate Sakura that much because she manipulated Naruto, then they inadvertently admit that NaruSaku SHOULD have been the canon pairing because all the issues they have with Sakura could be solved by having her and Naruto together and her confession would not be viewed as her being a manipulator, but her as trying to save him.

That's what they never seem to want to understand about themselves. Even they subconsciously admit that NaruSaku was a better option than their pairing choice as pushing Naruto to Hinata makes everything else seem bad.

P.S. Notice how they have no issue with Sakura manipulating Naruto to be with Hinata.
 

[Phantom_999]

That just shows nucking futs they. Sakura ACTUALLY DID them that huge favour and they STILL call her useless.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Face it I think many, not all Hinata fans are all kittened in the head, or maybe their mommies didn't love them enough, I mean good god what the hell do they want anyway from Sakura to bend over and let Naruto kitten her when she was 12, because oh poor Naruto he had a hard life.

 

Well boo kittening hoo everyone has a hard life, that doesn't give Naruto a free pass for people to kiss his ass.

[James S Cassidy]

Face it I think many, not all Hinata fans are all kittened in the head, or maybe their mommies didn't love them enough, I mean good god what the hell do they want anyway from Sakura to bend over and let Naruto kitten her when she was 12, because oh poor Naruto he had a hard life.

 

Well boo kittening hoo everyone has a hard life, that doesn't give Naruto a free pass for people to kiss his ass.

Like I keep saying...in any other circumstance...a Hinata-like character is seen as not that great of character. How many anime are there where the shy girl character that loved the main since the beginning is not taken seriously or ignored because the main guy loves the main girl? Not even talking about a shy side character either.

Naruto is a bloody unicorn. It is the ONLY example I know where that kind of character gets more love than even the main character themselves.

The worst part is just how much in denial the other side is. Sakura gets brushed through with a fine tooth comb while Hinata gets a pass on everything. Even so far as having her fans make-up information to praise,

I literally saw a comment that said (no joke):
"If Hinata didn't help Naruto when Neji died, they would have lost the war. Hinata single-handedly won the Fourth Shinobi War."

 

[TheFirstEvil100]

Like I keep saying...in any other circumstance...a Hinata-like character is seen as not that great of character. How many anime are there where the shy girl character that loved the main since the beginning is not taken seriously or ignored because the main guy loves the main girl? Not even talking about a shy side character either.

Naruto is a bloody unicorn. It is the ONLY example I know where that kind of character gets more love than even the main character themselves.

The worst part is just how much in denial the other side is. Sakura gets brushed through with a fine tooth comb while Hinata gets a pass on everything. Even so far as having her fans make-up information to praise,

I literally saw a comment that said (no joke):
"If Hinata didn't help Naruto when Neji died, they would have lost the war. Hinata single-handedly won the Fourth Shinobi War."

Oh, I agree I think TyranntX said it best in his video it's because Hinata has big boobs, which as we know many nH fans used a lot back in the day as a reason to why Naruto should pick Hinata, again I wish I knew what makes Hinata, so God damn special. Because to me, I see nothing but a selfish girl, because that's what Hinata is James.

 

Again I think others on the site have said it best. "Hinata is submissive and will do what males want," I mean look when Naruto missed his daughters birthday did Hinata scream at him yell at Naruto. No, she didn't, and I think that's what they love about Hinata because once again Hinata thinks Naruto can't do anything wrong.

 

Yeah, Hinata fans always make kitten up so Hinata can seem better than she really is, and I find that sad. I mean come on we all know Hinata sucks even her very own Teacher said she sucks not to mention again what she did in part one her fans think it's cute not seeing the bad it would have done, but with Sakura nope she's a pink hair kitten.

 

At least Sakura cares about Naruto dream Hinata's dream is to have Naruto inside her.

 

WTF you have got yo be kidding me right James? Please tell me this is some kind of joke please,

[James S Cassidy]

WTF you have got yo be kidding me right James? Please tell me this is some kind of joke please,

No, I am not kidding.
I can find it if you really want to see it.
 

[TheFirstEvil100]

No, I am not kidding.
I can find it if you really want to see it.
 

Na I'm good I bet you answered them laughing at their stupidity.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

WTF? What has Hinata ever done to deserve this? She is like Timmy from Secret of Nimh 2.

[jak123]

"If Hinata didn't help Naruto when Neji died, they would have lost the war. Hinata single-handedly won the Fourth Shinobi War."

 

[Dalton.T.R]

Again, literally recreating NaruSaku. I don't know why you guys even bother going to the NH sites anymore other than to just make yourselves angry. All you're doing is kicking a dead horse that's been dead for five years now and is nothing but skeletal remains. There's nothing left to talk about.
 
Seriously, I'm completely open to chatting with you guys to get the characters how they should be. I won't write exact copies, but I can make something far better than the original NaruSaku we shipped back in the day.

[Yyubie]

@Dalton T.R

Just in case you didn't know , Kishi's new manga is out. This is the thread :

http://www.narusaku....c=16477&page=10

[VanitasDS76491]

Like I keep saying...in any other circumstance...a Hinata-like character is seen as not that great of character. How many anime are there where the shy girl character that loved the main since the beginning is not taken seriously or ignored because the main guy loves the main girl? Not even talking about a shy side character either.
Naruto is a bloody unicorn. It is the ONLY example I know where that kind of character gets more love than even the main character themselves.
The worst part is just how much in denial the other side is. Sakura gets brushed through with a fine tooth comb while Hinata gets a pass on everything. Even so far as having her fans make-up information to praise,
I literally saw a comment that said (no joke):
"If Hinata didn't help Naruto when Neji died, they would have lost the war. Hinata single-handedly won the Fourth Shinobi War."

Really that comment is a thing cause I remember hinata doing jack kitten in the war and to counter that neji thing notice hinata looks like she doesn't give a kitten her cousin just died.
  

Oh, I agree I think TyranntX said it best in his video it's because Hinata has big boobs, which as we know many nH fans used a lot back in the day as a reason to why Naruto should pick Hinata, again I wish I knew what makes Hinata, so God damn special. Because to me, I see nothing but a selfish girl, because that's what Hinata is James.
 
Again I think others on the site have said it best. "Hinata is submissive and will do what males want," I mean look when Naruto missed his daughters birthday did Hinata scream at him yell at Naruto. No, she didn't, and I think that's what they love about Hinata because once again Hinata thinks Naruto can't do anything wrong.
 
Yeah, Hinata fans always make kitten up so Hinata can seem better than she really is, and I find that sad. I mean come on we all know Hinata sucks even her very own Teacher said she sucks not to mention again what she did in part one her fans think it's cute not seeing the bad it would have done, but with Sakura nope she's a pink hair kitten.
 
At least Sakura cares about Naruto dream Hinata's dream is to have Naruto inside her.
 
WTF you have got yo be kidding me right James? Please tell me this is some kind of joke please,

You notice that video tyrannt made on hinata is gone?
But your right even kunerai said hinata is weak and she should have died to neji cause I remember her heart stopping plus like tyrannt said Naruto beating neji would have a bigger impact.

[VanitasDS76491]

Guys the next death battle is hiei vs Sasuke. I'm really really hoping hiei wins.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

@Dalton T.R

Just in case you didn't know , Kishi's new manga is out. This is the thread :

http://www.narusaku....c=16477&page=10

[VanitasDS76491]

Agreed why waste our time when he no doubt will make the same mistake with Naruto.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Agreed. They really don't know what they are saying.

Although, it comes down to one simple fact that I keep pointing out to them. If they truly hate Sakura that much because she manipulated Naruto, then they inadvertently admit that NaruSaku SHOULD have been the canon pairing because all the issues they have with Sakura could be solved by having her and Naruto together and her confession would not be viewed as her being a manipulator, but her as trying to save him.

That's what they never seem to want to understand about themselves. Even they subconsciously admit that NaruSaku was a better option than their pairing choice as pushing Naruto to Hinata makes everything else seem bad.

P.S. Notice how they have no issue with Sakura manipulating Naruto to be with Hinata.\

 

Yeah. It just shows how hypocritical they are deep down, and how it seems to come down to just wish fulfillment for them, with the guys imagining themselves in Naruto's shoes and the girls imagining themselves in Hinata's shoes. But I always felt it was hating Sakura because of the fact she was "in the way", even if they like to claim she never was if "The Last" is anything to go off of.

 

And you can tell The Last was meant to show how full of crap their couple was and how things ended up being crap since them because of it. It was like a subconscious screw you and screw this series by Kishimoto in the end.

[totherpage95]

https://youtu.be/pE3sQDJ677o

gotta love this part in the anime. and people still watch this and go "well naruhina is still so much better".  and then they have the gall to make a nh movie about how hinata was there for him in the beginning so naruto never was so lonely he might have gone and started killing to feel alive