Is THAT why Sakura Spends more time with Naruto than Sasuke, pre chapter 699 and 700?
Guilt keeps Sasuke away from the village? Is THAT WHY he reports to Naruto and just leaves without visiting his daughter and the daughter's mother?
Seriously do these people even UNDERSTAND the meaning of parental neglect, and have they truly experienced it? These are
really the escapist type of fans either way, honestly Huh? This was from the comment section:
"Okay, as something of a Naruto apologist, I've been talking about this a bit in Woolie's playthrough, so basically copy-pasting my reply to someone who brought this up there; Naruto was never actually about these hard work themes people remember it being.
The very first episode establishes Naruto is special, and that pays off (properly) in the Wave arc. Naruto won his preliminary fight by sheer luck, and he won his fight versus Neji by using the Kyuubi's chakra. The only dudes in Naruto for whom the importance of hard work, and effort trumping talent, were core parts of their characters, were Might Guy (who got PRETTY DAMN FAR, to be honest) and Rock Lee, who's most memorable scene is of him getting kittening destroyed by someone who just happens to have better powers (not long after getting KOed by the Sound genin, another bad matchup for him). Naruto is about the importance of positive social interaction (aka the power of friendship), loneliness and not letting your kitten life make you a bad person, and people who think otherwise are remembering things wrong. Hard work was only ever as important in Naruto as it is in almost all shonen series (you need to work hard to get stronger and learn new techniques, but you better hope your special or your kittened).
Adding a bit more detail, the emotional core of the Wave Arc was about ninja not having to be emotionless killers, and Naruto starting to get his head around his importance of friends schtick, which would conveniently resonate deeply with many later villains. The Chunin Exam is a bit harder to psychoanalyze, as it doesn't have such convenient philosophizing to wrap it up, but it again focuses on people who have let their kitten childhoods define them (Gaara, Negi, to a lesser extent in this arc Sasuke) with Orochimaru serving as an example of what they could become, or something?"
Also:
"Holy crap...This video just made me realize something. Naruto's central message wasn't that people can overcome talent with hard work, its that personal talent and skill are meaningless compared to the power of solid networking. Seriously. The only reason why Naruto became Hokage in the end, despite being a talent-less idiot, is because his parents (and by extension himself) knew the right people. A virtual deluge of gods, super ninja, politicians and tailed beasts lined up to prop him up or train him because he or his family 'had an in' with them at one point or the other. They couldn't even be considered allies (since their job is less to support Naruto and more to single-handedly pull him up) and are instead the direct source of all and any success or power that Naruto ever had. Heck, the only reason he turned god-mode in the end is because he manged to sway Kurama to his side and create a connection by improving their relationship over time. When they say that Asura got strong because of people around him while Indra was strong in his own right, I'm guessing this is what they meant. The fact that NONE of this was achieved by Naruto himself IS the point. They are seriously saying that KNOWING the right people is more important than being a capable person.
...This...This disappoints me. I'm disappointed in Naruto now."
This too:
"The problems kicked into high gear when they went to the exams immediately after the waves arc. They put underdeveloped characters in a situation that they had no business being in yet. The team is dysfunctional except for the rare moments that they do work together. Sakura is dead weight that only knows book smarts, Sasuke while capable needs to work on his ego, and Naruto needs to work on his basics and fundamentals instead of being bailed out by luck or the fox. If I was kakashi I wouldn't even bring up the chunin exams and proceed to whip them into shape, heck I would have sent them back to the academy during the bell test. They get constant passes for all of their bad habits and don't learn anything. Heck If I wrote Naruto I would have had them fail brutally in the forest of death and have them come to terms with their shortcomings and improve together as a team. Naruto and Sasuke could have grown to be close friends and eventually like brothers, Sakura could actually talk to Sasuke and slowly build something up, and Sakura could slowly develop respect for Naruto. When the chunin exams come again in the next six months or year they end up doing pretty good to show their growth. But nope they're rushed through and get all these power ups and become gods in the end and in Sakura's case wasted potential."
I assume this was talking about neji's past:
"According to some very early supplemental materials that were neeever referenced in the main series, around the start of the series the Cloud village (the dudes who broke the treaty) are actually the strongest village, whereas Jesus-kun's village is in third place at best. Also, the Cloud village was until recently allied against the Leaf and the weakest village with the second strongest village and the closest competition for the position of 3rd strongest village. (Though back at the time of that war, Jesus-kun's village was the strongest of them)
My point is basically that Cloud probably wouldn't have made that move if they didn't know they could get away from it, but the show itself never makes an effort to communicate that fact."
Thoughts
My thoughts? These comments only prove what I've been saying all along. Naruto's themes and morals mean NOTHING.
Looking at the first comment's "psychoanalysis" on the themes just proves either way the messages were never there or ended up not even being bothered to be addressed. have you seen ANY problem of the ninja system and what it does to people being fixed or even addressed? NOPE Nardo is just sitting on his @$$ all day continuing the cycle and then drowning the stress away with sake drinks.
Second comment has a point and ultimately what I feel is the main problem of protagoinsts being blunt, un-thoughtful simpletons with the goal of being some sort of grand political figure. Being capable of beating up enemies means nothing if you want to be a leader of any kind i.e. Naruto and Black Clover. having characters progress by being stronger but not improving their intelligence, social or political skills to actually be prepared for the position is not sending the right message to kids
And the rest? Well I don't see what they are getting but again those are just writing problems that people neglect or don't bother thinking about.
Ultimately this just proves a comment I've stated earlier. the writing is meant to sound
deep and philisophical but when the chips are down Kishimoto couldn't measure up and address what he wanted to write because he was too busy playing yes man to the company and not drawing what he wanted. And eventually he even gave up on the core premise of the series of a boy born with an unusual and tragic circumstance trying to win the approval of all who shunned him to some sort of jesus figure destined to make world peace and he didn't EVEN ACHIEVE THAT. These are the reasons I hated the series so, NaruSaku was just the last straw because that was the only reason I bothered even tolerating with the series until the end. I thought that if at least Naruto married the girl he was always in love with, and who in turn was starting to warm up to him, understand him and was being progressively sweeter to him and and giving constant emotional support, then the ending wouldn't be so bad, and I didn't even get that. So I said EFF this KITTEN, I've wasted at least ten years of my life on this and I did not even get a satisfactory ending. this garbage was nothing but a disappointment.
P.S. I threw away all my collected tankobon of the series into the recycling bin, and
I felt sorry for for my recycling bin
Edited by Phantom_999, 12 December 2018 - 01:00 AM.