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[Illnevergiveup3]

I guess Himawari could take out Ichigo if she caught him unawares. Himawari is a silent assassin with the Jyuken of a 6 year old. Wait, that explains it. She is so powerful because she was taught by Hinata-hime-sama and has her blood in her veins. A normal Hyuga 6 year old could never take Naruto out, but Hinata's daughter can!

 

Yes, I know that the scene was supposed to be comical, Analyzer. Don't bother.

 

yet it being comical doesn't take away the fact that one of Naruto's biggest dreams was made into TERRIBLE comedic relief. Or the fact that Naruto couldn't even make it to his own inauguration making him a pitiful failure in yet another category. First, Sasuke took his woman away, then his soul got took away by him "marrying" Hinata, and then his dream of being Hokage was took away by his own "daughter." Naruto, if that's his real name, is a chump. 

Edited by Illnevergiveup3, 11 November 2017 - 04:56 PM.

[VanitasDS76491]

I guess Himawari could take out Ichigo if she caught him unawares. Himawari is a silent assassin with the Jyuken of a 6 year old. Wait, that explains it. She is so powerful because she was taught by Hinata-hime-sama and has her blood in her veins. A normal Hyuga 6 year old could never take Naruto out, but Hinata's daughter can!
 
Yes, I know that the scene was supposed to be comical, Analyzer. Don't bother.

What, also hinata teach her daughter ha she's to busy being a housewife all day, also how would himawari even see him, naruto had sage mode so he could can of see him himawari doesn't have sage mode so point ichigo.

[VanitasDS76491]

yet it being comical doesn't take away the fact that one of Naruto's biggest dreams was made into TERRIBLE comedic relief. Or the fact that Naruto couldn't even make it to his own inauguration making him a pitiful failure in yet another category. First, Sasuke took his woman away, then his soul got took away by him "marrying" Hinata, and then his dream of being Hokage was took away by his own "daughter." Naruto, if that's his real name, is a chump.

Agree the biggest day in naruto's life was ruined and made a joke, naruto isn't even naruto anymore cause of those three things you said.

[Kagomaru]

 

yet it being comical doesn't take away the fact that one of Naruto's biggest dreams was made into TERRIBLE comedic relief. Or the fact that Naruto couldn't even make it to his own inauguration making him a pitiful failure in yet another category. First, Sasuke took his woman away, then his soul got took away by him "marrying" Hinata, and then his dream of being Hokage was took away by his own "daughter." Naruto, if that's his real name, is a chump. 

And Pro-enders sincerely wonder why we hate the ending.

[DrK]

The real Naruto would never have married Hinata. I don't care what Sakura does. Even if Sakura was totally offlimits, he would never have let himself be guilted by the fact this girl liked him the whole time when she didn't do kitten to save him from his loneliness. He would have smiled and said thanks and went and asked out Ino or Tenten.

Edited by DrK, 11 November 2017 - 05:46 PM.

[Shadow Wolf]

Well, to be fair and to give the guy credit...he did fight his brother Sasuke while being mostly blind while being extremely sick to the point that he should have been dead, but through sheer will power stayed alive long enough.

Sasuke didn't even beat Itachi. Itachi dropped dead.

I know this doesn't say much, but considering that Itachi basically had every handicap against him and Sasuke still couldn't match him either proves how good Itachi was or how bad Sasuke is.

It's like how Goku couldn't beat Cell. I know people want to think GOku is all powerful and all, but we many fans forget that Goku couldn't beat Cell and had trouble fighting Buu and needed tons of help with that one. Even now in the tournament he is getting his ass handed to him by Universe 6s Saiyans.
 
By the way, I saw this in my travels


By the way, Spoiler....Ichigo lost to Naruto in Death Battle.

All I can say about this DB is that Broomstick called in two facts:

1-Burrito

2-Sasuke being Naruto's closet boyfriend, hahahahahahahaha

[James S Cassidy]

I guess Himawari could take out Ichigo if she caught him unawares. Himawari is a silent assassin with the Jyuken of a 6 year old. Wait, that explains it. She is so powerful because she was taught by Hinata-hime-sama and has her blood in her veins. A normal Hyuga 6 year old could never take Naruto out, but Hinata's daughter can!

 

Yes, I know that the scene was supposed to be comical, Analyzer. Don't bother.

The whole thing has become a joke now. One big, stupid, low-class, insulting joke. It gets funnier when you realize just how hypocritical the pro-enders get just from the way they talk about especially when if it is Hinata or SS related...it is okay, but if someone else does it...it is not.

Sakura punches Naruto comically around the room: "Oh, look how abusive she is. She doesn't deserve an amazing person like Naruto. Hinata is better."
Sasuke attempts to murder both Sakura and Naruto: "Oh, Sasuke is in such turmoil that he doesn't know how to face his feelings. What a tragic hero. Don't worry Sasuke, it is okay to accpet those feelings of love and emotions. You're a good guy. People just don't understand you."

Himawari punches Naruto knocking him out and making him miss his Hokgae inaug.: "OMG Himawari is soo cute and strong just like her mommy."

RTN Hinata acts like a complete and total kitten and even threatens Naruto with abuse: "OMG, LOOK HOW INDEPENDANT SHE IS. WHAT A ROLE MODEL FOR STRONG POWERFUL GIRLS."

Sakura obsesses over Sasuke: "Look how pathetic of a girl she is. She is so useless. Sasuke deserves to treat her like kitten."

Karin obsesses over Sasuke: "Stupid psychotic kitten"
Hinata obsesses over Naruto: "OMFG, TUR LURVE. They should totally get together."
Salad obsesses over Boruto: "OMG, it is like destiny repeated."

 

Naruto ignores Hinata in favor of Sakura: "What a scumbag he is. he should totally fall for Hinata hard."
Sasuke ignores Sakura in favor of Naruto: "Oh, he is just being shy. He is not good with love so it is okay."

Sakura ignores Sasuke in favor of Naruto: "How dare she treat Sasuke like crap. She is a whore. She needs to focus ONLY on Sasuke."

Hinata ignores everyone EXCEPT Naruto: "SHE IS SO CUTE AND SUCH A GOOD PERSON. SHE IS THE TRUE HEROINE WE ALL NEEDED."

 

If Naruto didn't want Hinata: "How dare he ignore her. He would be a terrible man if he didn't love her back. Hinata is so sweet. Naruto would be the biggest jerk if he didn't want her badly."
If Sakura didn't want Sasuke: "How dare you give up your feelings for Sasuke. You're a terrible woman. You should be ashamed of yourself."

If Naruto and Sakura loved each other: "They obviously don't know what love is. They don't understand each other. They are more like brother and sister. If Kishimoto puts them together, he is a bad writer and he should be killed."

If Sasuke and Karin loved each other: "Pfff...Karin is so unrealistic to be with Sasuke. She doesn't understand him. if Kishimoto puts them together, he should be castrated."
If Naruto and Hinata loved each other: "OMG, THIS IS WHAT WE DESERVED. THANK YOU, KISHIMOTO-SENPAI."

 

If something romantic happens between Naruto and Sakura: "Pfff, that is not love. That is just them being siblings. Naruto loves her like a sister. That is misinterpretation."

If something romantic happens between Sasuke and Karin: "Nah, they are just teammates. Doesn't mean anything. That is misinterpretation."

If something romantic happens between Sasuke and Sakura and Naruto and Hinata: "OMG THAT IS SO BEAUTIFUL AND WONDERFUL. If you don't see it, you are not reading the manga right."

If Naruto goes to the ends of the Earth for Sakura, gives her appreciation, loves her, and even saves her like a hero he is: "He really loves his sister. Anything more and it is total misinterpretation."
If Naruto goes berserk at someone hurting Sasuke: "Brothers in arms. That is how it always is."
If Sasuke saves Karin and/or Naruto: "Sasuke only saved them because he knew how important they were to the mission."
If Sasuke just holds Sakura up after she collapses: "ZOMG, SO BEAUTIFUL. HE TOTALLY LOVES HER."

If Naruto sneezes in Hinata's direction: "ZOMG, LOOK HOW NARUTO WANTS TO SHARE EVERYTHING WITH HINATA. HE TOTALLY LOVES HER."

If Naruto says he loves Sakura and expresses how much he admires her: "He doesn't know what loves is and obviously it is only a crush."

If Sasuke shows genuine concern for Karin, saves her, and actually apologises to her: "Meh, he is just trying to save face. It doesn't mean anything."

If Sasuke says he hates Sakura, doesn't care for her, and has no reason to love her, and calls her annoying: "TRUE LOVE AT IT'S FINEST. SASUKE TOTALLY LOVES SAKURA."

If Naruto ignores Hinata for years on end and doesn't get why people want him to be with Hinata: "HE TOTALLY LOVES HER. HE JUST HAS TO BE REMINDED WHO HE TRULY LOVES."

 

And lets not forget one of the most obvious that I have seen in biased.

Canon Sakura's and Ino's outfit: "What a bunch of whores showing off their tummy skin and belly-buttons like that. How disgraceful."

RTN Hinata has near full frontal boobage, heavy make-up, short shorts, and is openly sexual: "LOOK HOW INDEPENDANT SHE IS. SHE IS A STRONG WOMAN."

It is always some excuse, some reason, some bullcrap to explain why NH and SS HAD to be canon and why it makes sense. Analyzer's arguments are an example. We have Naruto show so much for Sakura, we have Sasuke say and do everything he can to get Sakura off of him, and all they keep saying is "It is all in your interpretation and not what it actually is." Naruto and Sasuke are brainwashed to love people they had no reason to love or cared to love and it is "exactly how it isuppsoed to go and it is just them being shy." Naruto can do nothing right unless he focuses on Hinata and Sakura can't do nothign right period because their hate for her is SOOOOO MASSIVE that anything they can use against her they will.

Hinata and Sasuke can do no wrong, but if Naruto and Sakura do anything against what they wanted them to do...they are the worst people on the planet and are useless.

I can't stand it. This is why I can't talk to them anymore. To them Hinata, Himawari, and Sasuke can do no wrong, but Naruto, Sakura, and Burrito are the scumbags on the planets because they get mad at or pay no attention to Hinata.
 

 

 

yet it being comical doesn't take away the fact that one of Naruto's biggest dreams was made into TERRIBLE comedic relief. Or the fact that Naruto couldn't even make it to his own inauguration making him a pitiful failure in yet another category. First, Sasuke took his woman away, then his soul got took away by him "marrying" Hinata, and then his dream of being Hokage was took away by his own "daughter." Naruto, if that's his real name, is a chump. 

Which was a shallow dream in the first place too. Naruto only wanted to be Hokage for attention seeking. To be popular. He didn't want to be hokage to be a good leader and in fact knew nothing about being a leader.

Naruto Shippuden should have been about him understanding and growing to be the hero and leader that he should have been...and instead we get "SASKEEEEHHHHH"

Obvious Bias is Obvious

[DrK]

If Sakura didn't want Sasuke: "How dare you give up your feelings for Sasuke. You're a terrible woman. You should be ashamed of yourself."

When I first read the terrible woman thing, I thought it had to be a fake interview, because it was just so ridiculous. Surely he would never imply that any woman that gave up on a man is terrible. That would just be awful for his reputation and make people hate him so he would never say something like that.

 

Then I thought about it more and realized what he meant. A woman isn't terrible for giving up on a man, that's ridiculous as I stated above. However, a woman is terrible if they give up on Sasuke after he was just redeemed. Come on! He's good now. How can you quit so close to the finish line? Sakura was almost terrible. It's a good thing she saved herself.

 

The problem is, I'm not sure that this second interpretation is any less disgusting. Maybe if Sakura didn't have such a beautiful relationship with Naruto, it would have been significantly less so. But the way things played out, it's just as bad.

[James S Cassidy]

When I first read the terrible woman thing, I thought it had to be a fake interview, because it was just so ridiculous. Surely he would never imply that any woman that gave up on a man is terrible. That would just be awful for his reputation and make people hate him so he would never say something like that.

 

Then I thought about it more and realized what he meant. A woman isn't terrible for giving up on a man, that's ridiculous as I stated above. However, a woman is terrible if they give up on Sasuke after he was just redeemed. Come on! He's good now. How can you quit so close to the finish line? Sakura was almost terrible. It's a good thing she saved herself.

 

The problem is, I'm not sure that this second interpretation is any less disgusting. Maybe if Sakura didn't have such a beautiful relationship with Naruto, it would have been significantly less so. But the way things played out, it's just as bad.

 

He didn't say "give up" he said "moved on" as in loving him. The question was was why didn't Sakura get over her crush for Sasuke. Not about giving up on saving him which seems to be the confusion. She can still love him, but stop being IN LOVE with him. How does that make her a terrible woman? Especially when your supposed "love for him" is not a reason for him to give up on being evil. Naruto's love for him was his reason to stop being an kitten.

 

They really have a loose definition of the term "good" don't they? If he "stops trying to murder you" it is apparently being a "good man." Not that he treats you like an equal, not that he treats you with love and respect, not that he is always there for you; this does not make you a good man apparently. No, what makes Sasuke a good man was that he accepted Sakura as in "not worth killing and tolerable." That's it.

"He is good now."

He is not a "good" father, is that not a reason to leave him or fall out of love?
He is not a "good" husband, is that not a reason to leave him or fall out of love?
He is not a "good" provider even though he is more than capable of doing, is that not a reason to leave him or fall out of love?

Being a good father, being a good husband, being a loving person, making you happy, and not cheating on your wife...none of these make you a good man. Only the fact that you don't want to kill your own wife anymore. That is what makes you a good man.

I have seen people get divorces over less. I recently saw a couple get a divorce because they weren't giving each other enough attention.

 

And again, it is perfectly okay for Naruto and Sasuke to change their hearts in a moments notice, but if Sakura and Hinata change their hearts it is unrealistic. What does that make Karin's and Ino's feeling then? Ino moved on, does that make her a terrible woman? In fact, I could argue that the only reason why she got with Sai was because he looked like Sasuke. Does that make her a good woman to be with someone under false pretenses?

Why was it okay for Naruto to "move on," but not okay for Sakura to "move on?"

 

"Well, Naruto's love was a rivalry game because he wanted to beat Sasuke."

So what does that make Ino and Sakura fighting over Sasuke about? Wasn't that a rivalry game? They even say this outright in the Chuning exams.
What does that make Naruto trying to hokage? Wasn't that a rivalry game to be popular over Sasuke as well?

Why does all this logic ONLY apply to NS and not to anything else that is similar or almost exactly the same in context?

 

Sorry, but to me, it is not a good reason. Especially when they keep calling Sakura a terrible woman for how obsessive she is over Sasuke. She is a terrible woman if she stayed, but she is also a terrible woman if she goes. Damned if you do, Damned if you don't. Even the pro-enders have no respect for her even when she did exactly what they wanted her to do.

Although, in the Naruto world, people can easily be forgiven for mass genocide, mass murder, and more just by being sorry for 5 seconds and saying "I won't do it again."

Seriously though, we all think Obito is such a horrible person, but at this point in time I think we all can agree that at least...AT LEAST...Obito never treated Rin or his love for her with such disrespect and that his love for her was stronger than his own existence. It is childish and god aweful horrible, but at least he truly did love Rin with all his heart and never waivered by petty bullcrap from people. The dude even sacrificed himself for her and at least RIn was smart enough to know and realize hoe great a perosn he really was BEFORE the mind raping from Madara.

I actually think Obito is a better character than Sasuke and Naruto combined because at least he didn't wimp out on his true convictions.



 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 11 November 2017 - 08:56 PM.

[DrK]

Yeah, I meant give up romantically.

 

Kishimoto made no effort at all to show that Sasuke thought Sakura was special ever. Why did he want her instead of Karin? He didn't explain it. I mean, Sasuke loves Naruto, and Karin acts way more like Naruto around him than Sakura does. Karin also has superior genetics, being an Uzumaki as Naruto is. Karin is also not tied down to Konoha as Sakura is. Sasuke activated an eye power on behalf of Karin. The Uchiha eye powers are associated with a great need or great emotion. So he had a great need for or felt something strongly towards Karin. Every indicator says he would want to go with Karin. It is as nonsensical as Sakura continuing to love Sasuke, or Sasuke loving Sakura even a teeny tiny bit.

 

Seriously, what is wrong with pro enders? How can you POSSIBLY think he planned this?

Edited by DrK, 11 November 2017 - 08:44 PM.

[VanitasDS76491]

The real Naruto would never have married Hinata. I don't care what Sakura does. Even if Sakura was totally offlimits, he would never have let himself be guilted by the fact this girl liked him the whole time when she didn't do kitten to save him from his loneliness. He would have smiled and said thanks and went and asked out Ino or Tenten.

Maybe in that genjutsu created a another personality in naruto one that hinata made and the real naruto is trapped in his mind and dying.
  

The whole thing has become a joke now. One big, stupid, low-class, insulting joke. It gets funnier when you realize just how hypocritical the pro-enders get just from the way they talk about especially when if it is Hinata or SS related...it is okay, but if someone else does it...it is not.Sakura punches Naruto comically around the room: "Oh, look how abusive she is. She doesn't deserve an amazing person like Naruto. Hinata is better."Sasuke attempts to murder both Sakura and Naruto: "Oh, Sasuke is in such turmoil that he doesn't know how to face his feelings. What a tragic hero. Don't worry Sasuke, it is okay to accpet those feelings of love and emotions. You're a good guy. People just don't understand you."
Himawari punches Naruto knocking him out and making him miss his Hokgae inaug.: "OMG Himawari is soo cute and strong just like her mommy."
RTN Hinata acts like a complete and total kitten and even threatens Naruto with abuse: "OMG, LOOK HOW INDEPENDANT SHE IS. WHAT A ROLE MODEL FOR STRONG POWERFUL GIRLS."
Sakura obsesses over Sasuke: "Look how pathetic of a girl she is. She is so useless. Sasuke deserves to treat her like kitten."
Karin obsesses over Sasuke: "Stupid psychotic kitten"Hinata obsesses over Naruto: "OMFG, TUR LURVE. They should totally get together."Salad obsesses over Boruto: "OMG, it is like destiny repeated."
 
Naruto ignores Hinata in favor of Sakura: "What a scumbag he is. he should totally fall for Hinata hard."Sasuke ignores Sakura in favor of Naruto: "Oh, he is just being shy. He is not good with love so it is okay."
Sakura ignores Sasuke in favor of Naruto: "How dare she treat Sasuke like crap. She is a whore. She needs to focus ONLY on Sasuke."
Hinata ignores everyone EXCEPT Naruto: "SHE IS SO CUTE AND SUCH A GOOD PERSON. SHE IS THE TRUE HEROINE WE ALL NEEDED."
 
If Naruto didn't want Hinata: "How dare he ignore her. He would be a terrible man if he didn't love her back. Hinata is so sweet. Naruto would be the biggest jerk if he didn't want her badly."If Sakura didn't want Sasuke: "How dare you give up your feelings for Sasuke. You're a terrible woman. You should be ashamed of yourself."If Naruto and Sakura loved each other: "They obviously don't know what love is. They don't understand each other. They are more like brother and sister. If Kishimoto puts them together, he is a bad writer and he should be killed."
If Sasuke and Karin loved each other: "Pfff...Karin is so unrealistic to be with Sasuke. She doesn't understand him. if Kishimoto puts them together, he should be castrated."If Naruto and Hinata loved each other: "OMG, THIS IS WHAT WE DESERVED. THANK YOU, KISHIMOTO-SENPAI."
 
If something romantic happens between Naruto and Sakura: "Pfff, that is not love. That is just them being siblings. Naruto loves her like a sister. That is misinterpretation."
If something romantic happens between Sasuke and Karin: "Nah, they are just teammates. Doesn't mean anything. That is misinterpretation."
If something romantic happens between Sasuke and Sakura and Naruto and Hinata: "OMG THAT IS SO BEAUTIFUL AND WONDERFUL. If you don't see it, you are not reading the manga right."If Naruto goes to the ends of the Earth for Sakura, gives her appreciation, loves her, and even saves her like a hero he is: "He really loves his sister. Anything more and it is total misinterpretation."If Naruto goes berserk at someone hurting Sasuke: "Brothers in arms. That is how it always is."If Sasuke saves Karin and/or Naruto: "Sasuke only saved them because he knew how important they were to the mission."If Sasuke just holds Sakura up after she collapses: "ZOMG, SO BEAUTIFUL. HE TOTALLY LOVES HER."
If Naruto sneezes in Hinata's direction: "ZOMG, LOOK HOW NARUTO WANTS TO SHARE EVERYTHING WITH HINATA. HE TOTALLY LOVES HER."If Naruto says he loves Sakura and expresses how much he admires her: "He doesn't know what loves is and obviously it is only a crush."
If Sasuke shows genuine concern for Karin, saves her, and actually apologises to her: "Meh, he is just trying to save face. It doesn't mean anything."
If Sasuke says he hates Sakura, doesn't care for her, and has no reason to love her, and calls her annoying: "TRUE LOVE AT IT'S FINEST. SASUKE TOTALLY LOVES SAKURA."
If Naruto ignores Hinata for years on end and doesn't get why people want him to be with Hinata: "HE TOTALLY LOVES HER. HE JUST HAS TO BE REMINDED WHO HE TRULY LOVES."
 
And lets not forget one of the most obvious that I have seen in biased.Canon Sakura's and Ino's outfit: "What a bunch of whores showing off their tummy skin and belly-buttons like that. How disgraceful."
RTN Hinata has near full frontal boobage, heavy make-up, short shorts, and is openly sexual: "LOOK HOW INDEPENDANT SHE IS. SHE IS A STRONG WOMAN."
It is always some excuse, some reason, some bullcrap to explain why NH and SS HAD to be canon and why it makes sense. Analyzer's arguments are an example. We have Naruto show so much for Sakura, we have Sasuke say and do everything he can to get Sakura off of him, and all they keep saying is "It is all in your interpretation and not what it actually is." Naruto and Sasuke are brainwashed to love people they had no reason to love or cared to love and it is "exactly how it isuppsoed to go and it is just them being shy." Naruto can do nothing right unless he focuses on Hinata and Sakura can't do nothign right period because their hate for her is SOOOOO MASSIVE that anything they can use against her they will.
Hinata and Sasuke can do no wrong, but if Naruto and Sakura do anything against what they wanted them to do...they are the worst people on the planet and are useless.
I can't stand it. This is why I can't talk to them anymore. To them Hinata, Himawari, and Sasuke can do no wrong, but Naruto, Sakura, and Burrito are the scumbags on the planets because they get mad at or pay no attention to Hinata.
 
 


Which was a shallow dream in the first place too. Naruto only wanted to be Hokage for attention seeking. To be popular. He didn't want to be hokage to be a good leader and in fact knew nothing about being a leader.
Naruto Shippuden should have been about him understanding and growing to be the hero and leader that he should have been...and instead we get "SASKEEEEHHHHH"
Obvious Bias is Obvious

That's the best reason for why pro enders suck and nothing and are so jaded they won't listen, and if one of us leaves an argument a face to face one they will think they won til say a punch in the face and say no cause you won't listen. Or better when they keep ranting on that they are right just text them shut up in all caps like the critic in his phantom of the Opera review did to the chart guys.
But seriously well done James on how the pro enders think.

[James S Cassidy]

Yeah, I meant give up romantically.

 

Kishimoto made no effort at all to show that Sasuke thought Sakura was special ever. Why did he want her instead of Karin? He didn't explain it. I mean, Sasuke loves Naruto, and Karin acts way more like Naruto around him than Sakura does. Karin also has superior genetics, being an Uzumaki as Naruto is. Karin is also not tied down to Konoha as Sakura is. Sasuke activated an eye power on behalf of Karin. The Uchiha eye powers are associated with a great need or great emotion. So he had a great need for or felt something strongly towards Karin. Every indicator says he would want to go with Karin. It is as nonsensical as Sakura continuing to love Sasuke, or Sasuke loving Sakura even a teeny tiny bit.

 

Seriously, what is wrong with pro enders? How can you POSSIBLY think he planned this?

 

A lot, but the biggest issue is that they were only focused on Hinata. Not even Naruto and Hinata because that would imply they look at Naruto as a character. No, all they cared about was Hinata and what Hinata deserved. Nothing else mattered. SS became canon? Just a byproduct to get Sakura out of the way...nothing more.

The more they tried to explain the worse it got.

Could Naruto just have moved on from Sakura? Yes, but they had to go the extra mile and explain that his love for Sakura was simply for rivalry and that his true love was Hinata. It was not enough to just say "Naruto got over Sakura and was just happy that she was happy." No, they had to kill the aspect that NS ever existed in the first place because Naruto had to love Hinata and ONLY Hinata. She was the ONLY girl that he had to think about. Thinking of any girl in any other way is what made Naruto a bad person. "It was nothing." And yet, Karin still loves Sasuke, but admitted to giving him up for his so-called "happiness." So why couldn't Naruto did that with Sakura.

No, to them, Naruto lovin Sakura in anyway was sacrilege and needed to be destroyed. They didn't just kill of NS, they brutally murdered it to get revenge because Hinata had to be the best.

The whole reason seems more like "We had to make Hinata look good" however there wasn;t enough to make her look good, so instead of raising her bar...they lowered everyone else's including Naruto who wouldn't give up on Sasuke no matter what, but whines and wants the world to be destroyed because HInata broke up with him.This is why NH and SS are still together even if it seems like they are miserable because you can't break up NH. The NH pro-enders wouldn't allow it and they would positively freak if this ever happened.

It reminds me of the Cloud and Aerith vs Cloud and Tifa fans. The Cloud and Aerith fans are so adament about them being together that Cloud is never allowed to be with anyone else despite Aerith being dead. Even if Aerith loves another man, coughZackcough, Cloud is not allowed to get over Aerith. It is ridiculous.

[Phantom_999]

The whole thing has become a joke now. One big, stupid, low-class, insulting joke. It gets funnier when you realize just how hypocritical the pro-enders get just from the way they talk about especially when if it is Hinata or SS related...it is okay, but if someone else does it...it is not.

 

Sakura punches Naruto comically around the room: "Oh, look how abusive she is. She doesn't deserve an amazing person like Naruto. Hinata is better."

Sasuke attempts to murder both Sakura and Naruto: "Oh, Sasuke is in such turmoil that he doesn't know how to face his feelings. What a tragic hero. Don't worry Sasuke, it is okay to accpet those feelings of love and emotions. You're a good guy. People just don't understand you."

Himawari punches Naruto knocking him out and making him miss his Hokgae inaug.: "OMG Himawari is soo cute and strong just like her mommy."

RTN Hinata acts like a complete and total kitten and even threatens Naruto with abuse: "OMG, LOOK HOW INDEPENDANT SHE IS. WHAT A ROLE MODEL FOR STRONG POWERFUL GIRLS."

 

Sakura obsesses over Sasuke: "Look how pathetic of a girl she is. She is so useless. Sasuke deserves to treat her like kitten."

Karin obsesses over Sasuke: "Stupid psychotic kitten"

Hinata obsesses over Naruto: "OMFG, TUR LURVE. They should totally get together."

Salad obsesses over Boruto: "OMG, it is like destiny repeated."

 

Naruto ignores Hinata in favor of Sakura: "What a scumbag he is. he should totally fall for Hinata hard."

Sasuke ignores Sakura in favor of Naruto: "Oh, he is just being shy. He is not good with love so it is okay."

Sakura ignores Sasuke in favor of Naruto: "How dare she treat Sasuke like crap. She is a whore. She needs to focus ONLY on Sasuke."

Hinata ignores everyone EXCEPT Naruto: "SHE IS SO CUTE AND SUCH A GOOD PERSON. SHE IS THE TRUE HEROINE WE ALL NEEDED."

 

If Naruto didn't want Hinata: "How dare he ignore her. He would be a terrible man if he didn't love her back. Hinata is so sweet. Naruto would be the biggest jerk if he didn't want her badly."

If Sakura didn't want Sasuke: "How dare you give up your feelings for Sasuke. You're a terrible woman. You should be ashamed of yourself."

 

If Naruto and Sakura loved each other: "They obviously don't know what love is. They don't understand each other. They are more like brother and sister. If Kishimoto puts them together, he is a bad writer and he should be killed."

If Sasuke and Karin loved each other: "Pfff...Karin is so unrealistic to be with Sasuke. She doesn't understand him. if Kishimoto puts them together, he should be castrated."

If Naruto and Hinata loved each other: "OMG, THIS IS WHAT WE DESERVED. THANK YOU, KISHIMOTO-SENPAI."

 

If something romantic happens between Naruto and Sakura: "Pfff, that is not love. That is just them being siblings. Naruto loves her like a sister. That is misinterpretation."

If something romantic happens between Sasuke and Karin: "Nah, they are just teammates. Doesn't mean anything. That is misinterpretation."

If something romantic happens between Sasuke and Sakura and Naruto and Hinata: "OMG THAT IS SO BEAUTIFUL AND WONDERFUL. If you don't see it, you are not reading the manga right."

 

If Naruto goes to the ends of the Earth for Sakura, gives her appreciation, loves her, and even saves her like a hero he is: "He really loves his sister. Anything more and it is total misinterpretation."

If Naruto goes berserk at someone hurting Sasuke: "Brothers in arms. That is how it always is."

If Sasuke saves Karin and/or Naruto: "Sasuke only saved them because he knew how important they were to the mission."

If Sasuke just holds Sakura up after she collapses: "ZOMG, SO BEAUTIFUL. HE TOTALLY LOVES HER."

If Naruto sneezes in Hinata's direction: "ZOMG, LOOK HOW NARUTO WANTS TO SHARE EVERYTHING WITH HINATA. HE TOTALLY LOVES HER."

 

If Naruto says he loves Sakura and expresses how much he admires her: "He doesn't know what loves is and obviously it is only a crush."

If Sasuke shows genuine concern for Karin, saves her, and actually apologises to her: "Meh, he is just trying to save face. It doesn't mean anything."

If Sasuke says he hates Sakura, doesn't care for her, and has no reason to love her, and calls her annoying: "TRUE LOVE AT IT'S FINEST. SASUKE TOTALLY LOVES SAKURA."

If Naruto ignores Hinata for years on end and doesn't get why people want him to be with Hinata: "HE TOTALLY LOVES HER. HE JUST HAS TO BE REMINDED WHO HE TRULY LOVES."

 

And lets not forget one of the most obvious that I have seen in biased.

 

Canon Sakura's and Ino's outfit: "What a bunch of whores showing off their tummy skin and belly-buttons like that. How disgraceful."

RTN Hinata has near full frontal boobage, heavy make-up, short shorts, and is openly sexual: "LOOK HOW INDEPENDANT SHE IS. SHE IS A STRONG WOMAN."

 

It is always some excuse, some reason, some bullcrap to explain why NH and SS HAD to be canon and why it makes sense. Analyzer's arguments are an example. We have Naruto show so much for Sakura, we have Sasuke say and do everything he can to get Sakura off of him, and all they keep saying is "It is all in your interpretation and not what it actually is." Naruto and Sasuke are brainwashed to love people they had no reason to love or cared to love and it is "exactly how it isuppsoed to go and it is just them being shy." Naruto can do nothing right unless he focuses on Hinata and Sakura can't do nothign right period because their hate for her is SOOOOO MASSIVE that anything they can use against her they will.

 

Hinata and Sasuke can do no wrong, but if Naruto and Sakura do anything against what they wanted them to do...they are the worst people on the planet and are useless.

 

I can't stand it. This is why I can't talk to them anymore. To them Hinata, Himawari, and Sasuke can do no wrong, but Naruto, Sakura, and Burrito are the scumbags on the planets because they get mad at or pay no attention to Hinata.

 

 

Which was a shallow dream in the first place too. Naruto only wanted to be Hokage for attention seeking. To be popular. He didn't want to be hokage to be a good leader and in fact knew nothing about being a leader.

 

Naruto Shippuden should have been about him understanding and growing to be the hero and leader that he should have been...and instead we get "SASKEEEEHHHHH"

Obvious Bias is Obvious

 

AND THAT IS BY NO STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION. You actually SEE that hypocrisy     

Edited by Phantom_999, 11 November 2017 - 09:10 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

 

 

 

AND THAT IS BY NO STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION. You actually SEE that hypocrisy     

 

No joke. It is too stupid to make up.

[VanitasDS76491]

Yeah, I meant give up romantically.
 
Kishimoto made no effort at all to show that Sasuke thought Sakura was special ever. Why did he want her instead of Karin? He didn't explain it. I mean, Sasuke loves Naruto, and Karin acts way more like Naruto around him than Sakura does. Karin also has superior genetics, being an Uzumaki as Naruto is. Karin is also not tied down to Konoha as Sakura is. Sasuke activated an eye power on behalf of Karin. The Uchiha eye powers are associated with a great need or great emotion. So he had a great need for or felt something strongly towards Karin. Every indicator says he would want to go with Karin. It is as nonsensical as Sakura continuing to love Sasuke, or Sasuke loving Sakura even a teeny tiny bit.
 
Seriously, what is wrong with pro enders? How can you POSSIBLY think he planned this?

The man never explained anything in the last half.
That's as planned out as harvest from the culling in the new 52 storyline in teen titans. No one planned this kitten out if their are so many illogical counters and is a kittening mess. Like I said naruto has three different versions, the art work, the dialogue and kishi, all three are telling different stories.

[VanitasDS76491]

A lot, but the biggest issue is that they were only focused on Hinata. Not even Naruto and Hinata because that would imply they look at Naruto as a character. No, all they cared about was Hinata and what Hinata deserved. Nothing else mattered. SS became canon? Just a byproduct to get Sakura out of the way...nothing more.
The more they tried to explain the worse it got.
Could Naruto just have moved on from Sakura? Yes, but they had to go the extra mile and explain that his love for Sakura was simply for rivalry and that his true love was Hinata. It was not enough to just say "Naruto got over Sakura and was just happy that she was happy." No, they had to kill the aspect that NS ever existed in the first place because Naruto had to love Hinata and ONLY Hinata. She was the ONLY girl that he had to think about. Thinking of any girl in any other way is what made Naruto a bad person. "It was nothing." And yet, Karin still loves Sasuke, but admitted to giving him up for his so-called "happiness." So why couldn't Naruto did that with Sakura.
No, to them, Naruto lovin Sakura in anyway was sacrilege and needed to be destroyed. They didn't just kill of NS, they brutally murdered it to get revenge because Hinata had to be the best.

The whole reason seems more like "We had to make Hinata look good" however there wasn;t enough to make her look good, so instead of raising her bar...they lowered everyone else's including Naruto who wouldn't give up on Sasuke no matter what, but whines and wants the world to be destroyed because HInata broke up with him.This is why NH and SS are still together even if it seems like they are miserable because you can't break up NH. The NH pro-enders wouldn't allow it and they would positively freak if this ever happened.
It reminds me of the Cloud and Aerith vs Cloud and Tifa fans. The Cloud and Aerith fans are so adament about them being together that Cloud is never allowed to be with anyone else despite Aerith being dead. Even if Aerith loves another man, coughZackcough, Cloud is not allowed to get over Aerith. It is ridiculous.

So are cloud and aerith fans nh and Cloud and Tifa fans NS?
Cause I'm a cloud and Tifa fan as they have more to them and crisis core Bascially outlined zack and aerith relationship even when zack died.
You watch tfs ff7 abridged cause it's so funny?
Or ichigo and rukia too.
Go play crisis core if you haven't cause that's all zack and aerith especially after angeal died.

[DrK]

Could Naruto just have moved on from Sakura? Yes, but they had to go the extra mile and explain that his love for Sakura was simply for rivalry and that his true love was Hinata. It was not enough to just say "Naruto got over Sakura and was just happy that she was happy." No, they had to kill the aspect that NS ever existed in the first place because Naruto had to love Hinata and ONLY Hinata. She was the ONLY girl that he had to think about. Thinking of any girl in any other way is what made Naruto a bad person. "It was nothing." And yet, Karin still loves Sasuke, but admitted to giving him up for his so-called "happiness." So why couldn't Naruto did that with Sakura.

I talked about this in a thread on the general forum a bit... Basically, I think Kishimoto didn't want Naruto to "lose", by having Sakura pick Sasuke over him but wanted Hinata to get him, so he made Sakura miserable with Sasuke for that reason. If she's unhappy with Sasuke, then Naruto looks better because it looks like Sakura obviously made the wrong decision and was stupid. This would also apply to the scenario where Naruto selflessly gives her up and would call more attention to the whole situation. He had to sweep his love for Sakura under the rug entirely to do this garbage that they ended up doing.

Edited by DrK, 11 November 2017 - 09:28 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

I talked about this in a thread on the general forum a bit... Basically, I think Kishimoto didn't want Naruto to "lose", by having Sakura pick Sasuke over him but wanted Hinata to get him, so he made Sakura miserable with Sasuke for that reason. If she's unhappy with Sasuke, then Naruto looks better because it looks like Sakura obviously made the wrong decision and was stupid. This would also apply to the scenario where Naruto selflessly gives her up and would call more attention to the whole situation. He had to sweep his love for Sakura under the rug entirely to do this garbage that they ended up doing.

Well, if that is the truth, then Kishimoto and the pro-enders really don't understand each other. So does that mean even the pro-ender Analyzer's analysis is also mere "misinterpretation?" huh?

[DrK]

Well, if that is the truth, then Kishimoto and the pro-enders really don't understand each other. So does that mean even the pro-ender Analyzer's analysis is also mere "misinterpretation?" huh?

If the pro enders really believe Kishimoto's intent with the Gaiden was to show how happy and healthy their relationship was, they're more crazy than Sakura is right now.

 

Yes, they took a picture together. One where they look completely miserable. And had a miserable family dinner. Woohoo. Can you feel the love tonight?

 

No. No, you can't.

 

There is no happy Team 7 if Sasuke marries Sakura. Naruto will be miserable for obvious reasons, Sakura will be miserable because Sasuke doesn't care, and Sasuke will be miserable because you have to make him out of character to even have him make that decision. Can anyone here even imagine Sasuke doing with Sakura what married couples do? A proposal from Sasuke to Sakura? "I want you to help me revive the Uchiha clan." *Proceeds to only have a single daughter and no son, so the Uchiha clan will surely die out within 2 generations* "Mission complete."

 

It's interesting how it's like we have this unspoken agreement that "miserable" is the word to use when talking about the ultimate fate of the principal canon characters.

Edited by DrK, 11 November 2017 - 09:57 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

No joke. It is too stupid to make up.

 

Unfortunately, the stupidity and hypocrisy continue to shine forth, which is what irks me the most of all, James. @_@ And Kishimoto is just REALLLLLLLY not helping his case.

 

 

If the pro enders really believe Kishimoto's intent with the Gaiden was to show how happy and healthy their relationship was, they're more crazy than Sakura is right now.

 

Yes, they took a picture together. One where they look completely miserable. And had a miserable family dinner. Woohoo. Can you feel the love tonight?

 

No. No, you can't.

 

There is no happy Team 7 if Sasuke marries Sakura. Naruto will be miserable for obvious reasons, Sakura will be miserable because Sasuke doesn't care, and Sasuke will be miserable because you have to make him out of character to even have him make that decision. Can anyone here even imagine Sasuke doing with Sakura what married couples do? A proposal from Sasuke to Sakura? "I want you to help me revive the Uchiha clan." *Proceeds to only have a single daughter and no son, so the Uchiha clan will surely die out within 2 generations* "Mission complete."

 

It's interesting how it's like we have this unspoken agreement that "miserable" is the word to use when talking about the ultimate fate of the principal canon characters.

 

Thank you, DrK. *claps*  And let's face it, we all know Sasuke's heart truly belongs to Karin, since the DNA test Sarada took shows Karin is her biological mother, even if it is hinted she asked Sakura to raise her so that Orochimaru couldn't get Sarada due to her having the Uchiha Sharingan and Uzumaki chakra, even if that's gonna be ignored... XP