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Posted 02 July 2015 - 02:00 PM

It's like Kishi is doing to Sakura right now what he did to Hinata. Making them pathetic and meanwhile showing another woman in contrast. Remember when Hinata tripped on her rock wtf was that? He tried to mock and ridicule her, he tried to punish her for idk why, but I felt bad for her. Now he's doing the same to Sakura. When Sasuke leaves, she looks like "a puppy waiting for a treat" as someone else said it. She is a doormat and Sasuke gives her nothing, how the hell she managed to get his kitten ~ the biggest mystery there is. But it was just to create a next gen, 12 years ago Naruto &Co all sacrificed themselves to spawn of money slash kiddos. Anyway, Karin is now the only woman with dignity, the dignity that Sakura also used to have.

I got it

Kishimoto is going to say the Burrito movie is going to "answer" what couldn't be answered(which was literally everything that was said/happened in this useless pointless trash)

He said that about TL too, lmao it just created more questions.


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Posted 02 July 2015 - 02:04 PM

 
Sakura struggles to feed/raise a child on her own, pay the bills, put Sarada through Ninja academy. Add on the loan and the damages to her house. Neither Naruto nor Sasuke do anything to support her, either financially or emotionally. No wonder she faints. Im surprised she hasnt had a full blown nervous breakdown..

There was no show nor tell. It could have hit strong if they explain that or Sarada put it out there to make Sasuke feel any remorse. There was none. They got an apartment like nothing. That didn't help. It's all contrived mess. Sasuke did nothing. Nothing! Like absolute nothing! Nothing! Nothing! Nothing! Nothing! kittening NOTHING!

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Posted 02 July 2015 - 02:09 PM

lol! Salad got a hug from Sasuke, but Skutra still can't get $hit from him!

 

Also, who called that this crappy series  would end on a SS family photo? Oh yeah, this gurl.

 

And bonus, Sasuke left again! Pfft, yeah he really loves his family, I mean it's not like he's been gone for twelve years and has only seen his family for a day, so let's up and leave again.

 

This pairing is garbage, while NH is pathetic, cause.....wait for it.....it didn't even appear. Naruto gave zero kittens about his family, who were never even seen.

 

After seeing first hand how this guy tries to pass off things like love, villains, and families, I pray that Kishimoto is done with this trash series.


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Posted 02 July 2015 - 02:12 PM

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Posted 02 July 2015 - 02:12 PM

I was pretty surprised the rest of the NH family didn't even have a cameo in this last chapter. And can someone explain why we had I put up with an entire ten chapters of ChouChou's stale "are you my dad" joke?

I'm not. I think it's a sign of how little he cares for that pairing. Hinata was a side character elevated to a plot device to get people to see a movie. After her usefulness had been served, she's put back in her side-character box.

 

Think it's a fluke? Kishi is an manga artist, he knows that someone will sit down and read through all the mangas at one go. But they will be highly unlikely to reach out and watch the movie again. The mangas will stand on their own, but the movie (The Last, in particular) will be something a reader will have to make an effort to see, either through renting or streaming online. So someone coming to the franchise later on is likely never to see the movie, or have any interest.

 

Kishi doesn't care about Hinata, and he doesn't care about NH.( There was no romantic anything between them, except Hinata's stalkerish behavior on the battlefield. It just ends NH.) The point of the Gaiden is the continued story of Sasuke, not Naruto, as it has always been in the past. That's why NH is never shown...and that's why, I think, Sakura ended up with Sasuke instead of Naruto. Because Sasuke was Kishimoto's favorite. 

 

In the end of the Gaiden, Naruto becomes the side character in his own story. Just like Hinata after the Pain arc, he has to watch the happy couple with the same empty speech bubble Hinata had when Sakura hugged Naruto.  

 

The story is all about Sasuke, but it doesn't work quite right because Kishimoto can't let go of their old characters. So in the Gaiden we see Naruto still overtly caring about Sakura, Sakura still worried about Sasuke, and Sasuke still spurning them both. The triangle was never resolved, he just married off the main players. 

 

So ignore the movie. As Kishi himself said, the movie stands alone (you don't need to read the manga to understand the movie). It will never be part of the canon material, in the same way the filler episodes aren't a part of it.

 

This is the takeaway from the whole series: There was no resolution to the triangle. The wrong couples got married, settling for relationships that didn't make the main hero and heroine better people, but that satisfied the desire of the author (through Sasuke) and the fandom (through Hinata). But the old feelings are still there. How do we know? Because Kishimoto tells us they are, through Naruto's speech about deep down feelings being stronger than facts. 

 

I think that's Kishimoto's way of saying "Believe what you want! Peace out!" 

 

That's why there's no overt love from any of them, no overwhelming commitment. Naruto doesn't spare a thought for his family. Sasuke is never shown in domestic bliss. Sakura still tries her hardest and is still shut down in the end by Sasuke. And there never will be happiness for them in the manga. They're in relationships that don't suit them. Kishimoto never broke them out of their triangle.

 

edit: Oh yeah, I forgot: that little army of Uchiha clones means that the clan has been restored without Sasuke needing to be a baby-daddy anymore. That's the end of Sasuke need to be a family man. So in the end all of Sasuke's goals have been met, while none of Naruto's ever were. (With the Hokage goal only getting resolved after going to someone else first.)



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Posted 02 July 2015 - 02:12 PM

There was no show nor tell. It could have hit strong if they explain that or Sarada put it out there to make Sasuke feel any remorse. There was none.

 

 

Agreed, and i really wish that had happened. Unfortunately I don't think Kishimoto sees her financial hardship as anything more than a cheap throwaway gag. Just like he seems to treat Sasuke's emotional withholding towards Sakura as a running joke.



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Posted 02 July 2015 - 02:15 PM

An argument can be made that Naruto should have given more emotional support to Sakura. However, he is under absolutely no obligation to provide her financial support, friend or not. If my spouse told me they were floating cash to an old flame, I'd be absolutely 100% uncomfortable with that situation and I'm confident if the situation was reversed my partner would feel the same.

 

So much for explanation on why Sakura faints a lot for no reason, loans (what happened to that?!) and many others. God I love this series.

 

Yup. Just another case of Kishi introducing a lot of threads that are left dangling because he got swept up writing about the Uchiha.

 

It's like Kishi is doing to Sakura right now what he did to Hinata. Making them pathetic and meanwhile showing another woman in contrast. Remember when Hinata tripped on her rock wtf was that? He tried to mock and ridicule her, he tried to punish her for idk why, but I felt bad for her. Now he's doing the same to Sakura. When Sasuke leaves, she looks like "a puppy waiting for a treat" as someone else said it. She is a doormat and Sasuke gives her nothing, how the hell she managed to get his kitten ~ the biggest mystery there is. But it was just to create a next gen, 12 years ago Naruto &Co all sacrificed themselves to spawn of money slash kiddos. Anyway, Karin is now the only woman with dignity, the dignity that Sakura also used to have.

He said that about TL too, lmao it just created more questions.

 

Honestly, that panel of her blushing and looking at Sasuke longingly for a kiss is probably my least favorite panel of Sakura in all 710 chapters. It's worse, I think, than the garbage we saw in 693 and beyond. At least then, you could say she was caught up in a stressful situation. Here, she just looks like a spineless, pathetic lapdog for Sasuke. So sad how Kishi has treated her.

But you're right, it's representative of Kishi's larger inability to treat any women with dignity in his manga.



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Posted 02 July 2015 - 02:17 PM

 
 
Agreed, and i really wish that had happened. Unfortunately I don't think Kishimoto sees her financial hardship as anything more than a cheap throwaway gag. Just like he seems to treat Sasuke's emotional withholding towards Sakura as a running joke.

See, that's where you can see that Kishi really has no clue on writing because it was never implied anything between them like "They're divorced but keep in touch due to Sarada." Actually, that would have worked in comedy. But here, I don't get it. That's why it was a dud. A complete dud.

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Posted 02 July 2015 - 02:19 PM

I'm not. I think it's a sign of how little he cares for that pairing. Hinata was a side character elevated to a plot device to get people to see a movie. After her usefulness had been served, she's put back in her side-character box.

 

Think it's a fluke? Kishi is an manga artist, he knows that someone will sit down and read through all the mangas at one go. But they will be highly unlikely to reach out and watch the movie again. The mangas will stand on their own, but the movie (The Last, in particular) will be something a reader will have to make an effort to see, either through renting or streaming online. So someone coming to the franchise later on is likely never to see the movie, or have any interest.

 

Kishi doesn't care about Hinata, and he doesn't care about NH.( There was no romantic anything between them, except Hinata's stalkerish behavior on the battlefield. It just ends NH.) The point of the Gaiden is the continued story of Sasuke, not Naruto, as it has always been in the past. That's why NH is never shown...and that's why, I think, Sakura ended up with Sasuke instead of Naruto. Because Sasuke was Kishimoto's favorite. 

 

In the end of the Gaiden, Naruto becomes the side character in his own story. Just like Hinata after the Pain arc, he has to watch the happy couple with the same empty speech bubble Hinata had when Sakura hugged Naruto.  

 

The story is all about Sasuke, but it doesn't work quite right because Kishimoto can't let go of their old characters. So in the Gaiden we see Naruto still overtly caring about Sakura, Sakura still worried about Sasuke, and Sasuke still spurning them both. The triangle was never resolved, he just married off the main players. 

 

So ignore the movie. As Kishi himself said, the movie stands alone (you don't need to read the manga to understand the movie). It will never be part of the canon material, in the same way the filler episodes aren't a part of it.

 

This is the takeaway from the whole series: There was no resolution to the triangle. The wrong couples got married, settling for relationships that didn't make the main hero and heroine better people, but that satisfied the desire of the author (through Sasuke) and the fandom (through Hinata). But the old feelings are still there. How do we know? Because Kishimoto tells us they are, through Naruto's speech about deep down feelings being stronger than facts. 

 

I think that's Kishimoto's way of saying "Believe what you want! Peace out!" 

 

That's why there's no overt love from any of them, no overwhelming commitment. Naruto doesn't spare a thought for his family. Sasuke is never shown in domestic bliss. Sakura still tries her hardest and is still shut down in the end by Sasuke. And there never will be happiness for them in the manga. They're in relationships that don't suit them. Kishimoto never broke them out of their triangle.

 

edit: Oh yeah, I forgot: that little army of Uchiha clones means that the clan has been restored without Sasuke needing to be a baby-daddy anymore. That's the end of Sasuke need to be a family man. So in the end all of Sasuke's goals have been met, while none of Naruto's ever were. (With the Hokage goal only getting resolved after going to someone else first.)

 

I feel like there is so much here I want to reply to, but your post is a depressingly true account of Naruto and Gaiden and I just can't bring myself to respond at length. I feel like I've been duped. I confess that I've never liked Sasuke as a character, and I didn't start reading Naruto because of Sasuke and had he been advertised and focused on as the protagonist from the outset I wouldn't have gotten past the first volume. I'm not sure when it became his story, but I just feel like a sucker at this point.

 

And you are so right: the main pairing should make each other better. That's what good, functioning couples do in real life. They push each other and challenge each other and become better people and better partners. That's absolutely not the case with NH or SS.



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Posted 02 July 2015 - 02:23 PM

How thirsty was Sakura for Sasuke's kitten to travel around with her "friend" Karin when she was nine months pregnant?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted 02 July 2015 - 02:25 PM

I'm not. I think it's a sign of how little he cares for that pairing. Hinata was a side character elevated to a plot device to get people to see a movie. After her usefulness had been served, she's put back in her side-character box.

 

Think it's a fluke? Kishi is an manga artist, he knows that someone will sit down and read through all the mangas at one go. But they will be highly unlikely to reach out and watch the movie again. The mangas will stand on their own, but the movie (The Last, in particular) will be something a reader will have to make an effort to see, either through renting or streaming online. So someone coming to the franchise later on is likely never to see the movie, or have any interest.

 

Kishi doesn't care about Hinata, and he doesn't care about NH.( There was no romantic anything between them, except Hinata's stalkerish behavior on the battlefield. It just ends NH.) The point of the Gaiden is the continued story of Sasuke, not Naruto, as it has always been in the past. That's why NH is never shown...and that's why, I think, Sakura ended up with Sasuke instead of Naruto. Because Sasuke was Kishimoto's favorite. 

 

In the end of the Gaiden, Naruto becomes the side character in his own story. Just like Hinata after the Pain arc, he has to watch the happy couple with the same empty speech bubble Hinata had when Sakura hugged Naruto.  

 

The story is all about Sasuke, but it doesn't work quite right because Kishimoto can't let go of their old characters. So in the Gaiden we see Naruto still overtly caring about Sakura, Sakura still worried about Sasuke, and Sasuke still spurning them both. The triangle was never resolved, he just married off the main players. 

 

So ignore the movie. As Kishi himself said, the movie stands alone (you don't need to read the manga to understand the movie). It will never be part of the canon material, in the same way the filler episodes aren't a part of it.

 

This is the takeaway from the whole series: There was no resolution to the triangle. The wrong couples got married, settling for relationships that didn't make the main hero and heroine better people, but that satisfied the desire of the author (through Sasuke) and the fandom (through Hinata). But the old feelings are still there. How do we know? Because Kishimoto tells us they are, through Naruto's speech about deep down feelings being stronger than facts. 

 

I think that's Kishimoto's way of saying "Believe what you want! Peace out!" 

 

That's why there's no overt love from any of them, no overwhelming commitment. Naruto doesn't spare a thought for his family. Sasuke is never shown in domestic bliss. Sakura still tries her hardest and is still shut down in the end by Sasuke. And there never will be happiness for them in the manga. They're in relationships that don't suit them. Kishimoto never broke them out of their triangle.

 

edit: Oh yeah, I forgot: that little army of Uchiha clones means that the clan has been restored without Sasuke needing to be a baby-daddy anymore. That's the end of Sasuke need to be a family man. So in the end all of Sasuke's goals have been met, while none of Naruto's ever were. (With the Hokage goal only getting resolved after going to someone else first.)

 

I don't think there's anything else that needs to be said, Tricks, since you nailed it. And seeing Ino try to flirt with Sasuke shows that NO ONE IS REALLY HAPPY IN THE ENDING AND THAT THIS ENDING NEEDS TO BURN.



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Posted 02 July 2015 - 02:27 PM

And MAL just keep going lower. I don't even care about it, but it was amusing to see it go down. It was 7.74 yesterday. Chapter 1 made it go to 7.86. Then it went lower by chapter 3. Chapter 4 made it go up. Chapter 6 made it lower. Chapter 9 made it a lot lower. This one is taking it home.

But anyway, rating don't matter. It's just amusing. I don't see that badly happening to Fairy Tail Zero...

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Posted 02 July 2015 - 02:28 PM

How thirsty was Sakura for Sasuke's kitten to travel around with her "friend" Karin when she was nine months pregnant?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sometimes I feel like you're taking the rest of the anger to NnT even though realistically, they're not offensive at all. They're alright. But yes, unbelievable.

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Posted 02 July 2015 - 02:29 PM

It...It's over...

 

It's about time.


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Posted 02 July 2015 - 02:32 PM

Lmao, I honestly can not see how Naruto and Sakura both wave off Sasuke's bullsh*t so easily. But I really can't blame them when it seems like everybody just lets him do whatever the f**ck he wants :zaru:
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Posted 02 July 2015 - 02:32 PM

 

I don't think there's anything else that needs to be said, Tricks, since you nailed it. And seeing Ino try to flirt with Sasuke shows that NO ONE IS REALLY HAPPY IN THE ENDING AND THAT THIS ENDING NEEDS TO BURN.

 

I thought that was absurd. Like, it's not enough that your IT dream was Sai and Sasuke fighting over you, or that you married the Sasuke-replacement. But you're still calling out for Sasuke-kuuuun?

 

Tricksie is right, this who manga was about Sasuke. I just wish I realized that sooner.



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Posted 02 July 2015 - 02:35 PM

Cant believe some of u saying NS didn't happen because of Sakura. SMH


 


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Posted 02 July 2015 - 02:37 PM

I still can't believe Sasuke got free pass again. What makes it worse is that he answered Sarada's question if he feels connected and he's like "yeah..." I was waiting for Sarada to have big ass eyes after Sasuke said that connection kitten that really makes Sarada selfish unintentionally. It's nothing wrong with that but like in A Troll in Central Park, it was done horribly to hit the family matters.

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Posted 02 July 2015 - 02:38 PM

Cant believe some of u saying NS didn't happen because of Sakura. SMH

kitten Sakura. I'm sorry but kitten her.

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Posted 02 July 2015 - 02:44 PM

Cant believe some of u saying NS didn't happen because of Sakura. SMH

wait what?( I haven't read the past 6 pages)


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