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[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I think pulling Kaguya so early in the end was its downfall. She should have been a long movie villain that the Uzumaki family had to defeat. Imagine Naruto, Sakura, Shinachiku, and Hanami joining as a family to defeat Kaguya. Maybe even have Sasuke's family join in too. You can even have Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke have a moment of "Stand back, kids. Let us show you that your parents are not to be trifled with."

Kaguya and Toneri should have been the big bosses with maybe the kids taking on Toneri and Team 7 taking on Kaguya. This way you can show both the parents and kids being badasses. I don't know. Pulling basically the "God of Shinobi" right at the end of the manga was such a waste of potential. Kaguya should have been the big bad in the movie with Toneri trying to revive her and Madara the big bad of the manga.

It would have been perfect. No romance drama BS with Toneri falling for Hinata out of nowhere. Actually make Toneri a REAL villain.

You could also do like side stories for the side characters like Rock Lee, Ten-Ten, and such and taken it anywhere.

So many possibilities, and infinite world he could have made, and like Toriyama, Kishimoto just blows his entire load in a single moment.

All because "He didn't know how Madara should be defeated"

 

I know that in the long run, at least Toriyama figured out a way to have Kid Buu defeated when he proved too powerful in a lot of ways for Goku and Vegeta. Even Super Buu was getting knocked around after Goku and Vegeta had fused into Vegito to fight him, plus he had trouble with Gohan when he attained his Mystic state, only winning when he absorbed Gohan into him.

[VanitasDS76491]

I know that in the long run, at least Toriyama figured out a way to have Kid Buu defeated when he proved too powerful in a lot of ways for Goku and Vegeta. Even Super Buu was getting knocked around after Goku and Vegeta had fused into Vegito to fight him, plus he had trouble with Gohan when he attained his Mystic state, only winning when he absorbed Gohan into him.

Your a kitten writer of you can't figure out how to finish off your villains. At least Nomura had a way to beat xehanort.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Your a kitten writer of you can't figure out how to finish off your villains. At least Nomura had a way to beat xehanort.

 

Exactly! As I said, even Akira Toriyama had a way to defeat Kid Buu, and I'm sure if things were different, he'd have had a way for Goku and Vegeta to beat Super Buu. Even in comic books, big bads get a way to be defeated, even if it isn't easy. It's just how Kishimoto pushed himself too far, and his editors didn't do a damn thing to help there too!

[Phantom_999]

I think pulling Kaguya so early in the end was its downfall. She should have been a long movie villain that the Uzumaki family had to defeat. Imagine Naruto, Sakura, Shinachiku, and Hanami joining as a family to defeat Kaguya. Maybe even have Sasuke's family join in too. You can even have Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke have a moment of "Stand back, kids. Let us show you that your parents are not to be trifled with."

Kaguya and Toneri should have been the big bosses with maybe the kids taking on Toneri and Team 7 taking on Kaguya. This way you can show both the parents and kids being badasses. I don't know. Pulling basically the "God of Shinobi" right at the end of the manga was such a waste of potential. Kaguya should have been the big bad in the movie with Toneri trying to revive her and Madara the big bad of the manga.

It would have been perfect. No romance drama BS with Toneri falling for Hinata out of nowhere. Actually make Toneri a REAL villain.

You could also do like side stories for the side characters like Rock Lee, Ten-Ten, and such and taken it anywhere.

So many possibilities, and infinite world he could have made, and like Toriyama, Kishimoto just blows his entire load in a single moment.

All because "He didn't know how Madara should be defeated"

 

Yeah that would have been an interesting thought.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

Yeah that would have been an interesting thought.

 

It really is!

[VanitasDS76491]

Exactly! As I said, even Akira Toriyama had a way to defeat Kid Buu, and I'm sure if things were different, he'd have had a way for Goku and Vegeta to beat Super Buu. Even in comic books, big bads get a way to be defeated, even if it isn't easy. It's just how Kishimoto pushed himself too far, and his editors didn't do a damn thing to help there too!

True hell Darkseid has been beat and that's not easy to do same with doctor doom, galactus, venom, apocalypse, mangeto. Or the anti montior from crisis on infinite earths.
Kubo and I think hiro are guilty of not knowing how to defeat there villains.
Think in the pain save it should have been iruka instead of hinata to step in, I mean iruka had an established connection to that was more believable. Plus it's not like iruka would be unwilling to sacrifice himself for Naruto cause he did that in the first chapter.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

Naruto needs to be kitten slapped by Vito Corleone.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

I just found out Kobe Bryant died.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Think in the pain save it should have been iruka instead of hinata to step in, I mean iruka had an established connection to that was more believable. Plus it's not like iruka would be unwilling to sacrifice himself for Naruto cause he did that in the first chapter.

A random villager who treated Naruto badly as a kid, but had since learned his lesson and wanted to atone would have been a better and more meaningful option than Hinatatas.

[VanitasDS76491]

Naruto needs to be kitten slapped by Vito Corleone.

Any slap will do.
Dude remind is amazing and Kairi is so fun to play.

[VanitasDS76491]

A random villager who treated Naruto badly as a kid, but had since learned his lesson and wanted to atone would have been a better and more meaningful option than Hinatatas.

Agreed plus we saw Naruto and iruka bond in the first chapter and it meant more than his nonexistent bond with hinata plus iruka would be in character and not selfish like hinata would be.

[DrK]

I just found out Kobe Bryant died.

Same. Blows my mind. Absolute last person I expected to hear about dying.

[VanitasDS76491]

I just found out Kobe Bryant died.

Him and one of his daughters too.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

A random villager who treated Naruto badly as a kid, but had since learned his lesson and wanted to atone would have been a better and more meaningful option than Hinatatas.

 

Agreed plus we saw Naruto and iruka bond in the first chapter and it meant more than his nonexistent bond with hinata plus iruka would be in character and not selfish like hinata would be.

 

Exactly why I am thinking during Nagato's attack on the Leaf Village for revenge AND to try to claim Naruto and Kurama that Iruka would be the one to cause Naruto to go super berserk, even if his bonds with Kurama would be very different at this point in The Demon Within than in canon.

[VanitasDS76491]

Exactly why I am thinking during Nagato's attack on the Leaf Village for revenge AND to try to claim Naruto and Kurama that Iruka would be the one to cause Naruto to go super berserk, even if his bonds with Kurama would be very different at this point in The Demon Within than in canon.

Iruka has more impact in the story than hinata.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Iruka has more impact in the story than hinata.

 

Yep, and I even mention too that in TDW, since Naruto isn't traveling with Jiraiya to train to fight the Akatsuki, but while Jiraiya is in the village when he isn't gathering intel or also feeling guilty (since we know his running is because of the guilt he feels obviously for thinking he failed Minato, Hiruzen, and by proxy Naruto by turning his back on his godson), that Naruto gets help in other ways, like from Iruka, on stuff like better controlling his chakra. I just wanna remind people of how Iruka is a father figure for Naruto after he accepted him, considering when Naruto learned he was a Jinchuriki for Kurama, he assumed Iruka hated him because of that, and that's why he kept failing him even as hard as he tried to pass the graduation exams.

 

And we know even with his intentions at times as a teacher, Iruka did fail in some areas with Naruto (like that flashback of Sasuke and Naruto in the academy where he only really admonished Naruto when Sasuke deserved it too because of how he was acting over their sparring match debacle), but accepting him even if he was a Jinchuriki, and even if Kurama killed his parents (unwillingly mind you), that is something he NEVER failed in. And comparable to Kakashi and Jiraiya, but up with Fukasaku, Iruka believed in Naruto the most, even when it wasn't always shown.

 

That is just something I wanted The Demon Within to remind us of, besides just to tell a different story than the canon told us and to "fix" the mistakes in a sense too.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Ramen guy had done
More for Naruto than Hinata at the point that Pain attacked.

[tricksie]

Ramen guy had done
More for Naruto than Hinata at the point that Pain attacked.

omg yes! 

[Phantom_999]

I, in fact don't recall anything Hinata has done of worth for Naruto despite being his "intended love interest from the beginning". Even when she "inspires" him to win against Neji was pushing it because Naruto was not really only driven to defend Hinata's honor but to call Neji out on his thinking that failures remaining failures for the rest of their lives and everything you are is determined by fate and how you were born since he (Naruto) is someone that directly opposes that mentality. Nothing Hinata has ever done for Naruto has impacted him in any meaningful manner.
 
What was that? Her confession and getting nearly killed by pain SAVED HIM? More like was going "get everyone killed" if it wasn't for Minato's "fail safe". Not to mention that is just the typical Shonen MC mentality of cherishing friends/family above all else and seeing said friends/family hurt or killed pisses them off more than anything. It didn't even HAVE TO BE Hinata and we would get the same result. Seeing  Iruka, or Sakura getting stabbed would probably have made him despair even more being his two most precious ones in the vicinity ATM.
 
And confession? CONFESSION? Wasn't it established in their "tying the knot and baby-making movie" That Naruto NARDO "gave no effs" about Hinata's confession? He was surrounded by girls throwing them selves at him and Sakura (but who cares about her am I right?)   *sarcasm* but Hinata is left by her lonesome. Sakura asks Nardo to walk Hinata home and his response, "Why should I do that?". So Hinata straight up poured her heart out to him and tells him the "L" word and it still flies over his head. So what was that about Naruto "realizing his feelings for Hinata" when she confessed?
 
So again. WHAT has Hinata done to motivate or Inspire Naruto AT ALL? AT ANY TIME?
 
*cricket*

Edited by Phantom_999, 22 February 2020 - 01:39 PM.

[VanitasDS76491]

I, in fact don't recall anything Hinata has done of worth for Naruto despite being his "intended love interest from the beginning". Even when she "inspires" him to win against Neji was pushing it because Naruto was not really only driven to defend Hinata's honor but to call Neji out on failures remaining failures for the rest of their lives and everything you are is determined by fate and how you were born since he (Naruto) is someone that directly opposes that mentality. Nothing Hinata has ever done for Naruto has impacted him in any meaningful manner.
 
What was that? Her confession and getting nearly killed by pain SAVED HIM? More like was going "get everyone killed" if it wasn't for Minato's "fail safe". Not to mention that is just the typical Shonen MC mentality of cherishing friends/family and seeing said friends/family hurt or killed pisses them off more than anything. It didn't even HAVE TO BE Hinata and we could get the same result. Seeing  Iruka, or Sakura would probably have made him despair even more being his two most precious ones in the vicinity ATM.
 
And Confession? Wasn't it established in their "tying the knot and baby-making" movie That Naruto NARDO "gave no effs" about Hinata's confession? He was surrounded by girls throwing them selves and Sakura (but who cares about her am I right?)   *sarcasm* but Hinata is left by her lonesome. Sakura asks Nardo to walk  Hinata home and his response, "Why?". So Hinata straight up poured her heart out to him and tells him the "L" word and it still flies over his head. So what was that about Naruto "realizing his feelings for Hinata when she confessed?
 
So again. WHAT has Hinata done to motivate or Inspire Naruto AT ALL? AT ANY TIME?
 
*cricket*

Well said on everything you said cause it's true. Plus if naruto gave a kitten about the confession he wouldn't have waited two years or needed that dumb genjustu to see her memory, sorry I will not let that kittening genjustu dream go.