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The Senju and the Uzumaki were never that important to them, despite the passing comments about how supposedly powerful they were.

If it's not Uchiha (or Hinata)-related, it doesn't matter enough to talk about for them..

At least Kishi mention what happen to uzumaki clan and they don't go extinct just scatter. Senju is simply disappear for some reason. Does ninja Ebola kill them or some enemy kill them?

Who's them?
Only uchiha is important and that happen because of sasuke.

[sushi.]

Another plothole is Naruto's surname. Kushina was the only Uzumaki in the village right? Lol both of his parents were well known and we all know who his mom married.

[BlueStarSaber]

Another plothole is Naruto's surname. Kushina was the only Uzumaki in the village right? Lol both of his parents were well known and we all know who his mom married.

This plot-hole could have been easily avoided if ether Naruto's surname wasn't ether of his parents surname or if Kushina's surname was changed when she came to kohona in order to hide the purpose she was brought here for and Naruto was given her original surname in order to hide his parentage from villagers.

[Derock]

This plot-hole could have been easily avoided if ether Naruto's surname wasn't ether of his parents surname or if Kushina's surname was changed when she came to kohona in order to hide the purpose she was brought here for and Naruto was given her original surname in order to hide his parentage from villagers.

 

Well, the whole Naruto's family is a plothole itself because like everyone said, Masashi was adding more and more info about the Uchiha like they're the greatest discussion in the series. We don't know about the Uzumakis since they were feared for the sealing jutsus and longevity  (also big mistake on Masashi's behalf, you could had add in a sealer in the war or have Naruto learn some sealing to balance his fighting style and power, but no, we had to bring: Uchihas and their whack-ass "condition", revenge, dead people that should had stayed dead but kept for shock value, gods, a new clan to somehow bring back Byakugan to relevance and ended up with themes went out the door, pairings because a minor female suddenly gain "importance" for a movie that now is canon and a spin-off which is not doing great for the sake of popularity and money) and they was a possibility that there are a few in hiding (only we got was Nagato who is dead and Karin who is in writing-off limbo because SasuSaku had to happen and added in the "drama" for Sarada in the Gaiden). We don't even know about Minato's own family with the Namikaze.

 

... I need to unleash my plot bunny soon.

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I think some thing in naruto need to be touched in the beginning of manga like elemental ninjutsu and genjutsu in part 1 while advance jutsu, sealing jutsu, clan importance should be revealed in beginning of part 2 to pein arc.

@derock
I think the problem is, either kishi is too late to introduce them or he just make it on the fly in order to make naruto "important". Just like hamura and even the sage or sixth path.

[T XD]

The storytelling about the Uchiha clan intensely and in detailed way left no room to know more about Naruto's Uzumaki clan.

 

It's like the potential effort on telling readers about a clan was spent all on the Uchiha and not much was left from this effort on the Uzumaki clan.

[VanitasDS76491]

The storytelling about the Uchiha clan intensely and in detailed way left no room to know more about Naruto's Uzumaki clan.
 
It's like the potential effort on telling readers about a clan was spent all on the Uchiha and not much was left from this effort on the Uzumaki clan.

Or any clan that's not the Uchiha clan.

[Nate River]

The storytelling about the Uchiha clan intensely and in detailed way left no room to know more about Naruto's Uzumaki clan.

 

It's like the potential effort on telling readers about a clan was spent all on the Uchiha and not much was left from this effort on the Uzumaki clan.

 

I think this would have been a bad idea. A cynical view of this is that he totally botched the Uchiha stuff; did we want him to ruin this too? And it would have been a reason to continue the walking disaster that was Karin's character post-Kage summitt.

 

However, why did we need to know about the Uzumaki's? It's not central to anything, not even Naruto's characters. He obviously craved love and companionship as a child, but never showed any indication that it had to be from family. He never showed any drive to learn about who they were or meet them. Aside from know why he was an orphan, which we were told, there is no real need to know anything about them. They wouldn't show us anything we didn't know about him and unless they were going to replace the Uchiha as atrocity/redemption machines they don't do anything. If Naruto had show a need for family AND that it be HIS family (like Sasuke) rather than whatever bond he could forge then it might matter a little, but Naruto never placed an emphasis on biological connections.

 

In addition, I hated that he got to meet Minato and Kushina the way he did. The tragedy of death is its permanence. But not in Naruto. The series went into over drive to resolve characters hang-ups about people who died. I hatedt hat. It cheapened the concept. 

 

The whole reason the Uchiha ended up with the focus they did is because Naruto's story largely ended when he beat Pain. He was accept by the village and he could have been named Hokage right then. I think introducing  Uzumaki and that point would at best be pointless and worst be Uchiha 2.0. If Naruto had been defined by a need to know his bio family early on then doing it would be fine, but he wasn't. 

[Derock]

You have to understand, this IS (well, WAS) Naruto's story. He's the titular character for crying out loud. That role, we NEEDED the background information so they can provide the audience, us, why he's the titular character in the first place.  Added that info and some relevance in the story, since we were spoon fed with a ton full of background for the secondary main character's family, we could've at least have some sort of balance. 

[Nate River]

You have to understand, this IS (well, WAS) Naruto's story. He's the titular character for crying out loud. That role, we NEEDED the background information so they can provide the audience, us, why he's the titular character in the first place.  Added that info and some relevance in the story, since we were spoon fed with a ton full of background for the secondary main character's family, we could've at least have some sort of balance.

Yes, and his two main goals were to gain the village's respect/acceptance and become Hokage. He effectively accomplished both when he beat Pain. 

 

He obviously wanted to end his loneliness, but never seemed to require meeting the family. Simply being told about them and their accomplishments meets that goal and if you want emotional impact, a flashback (which was used) or a Gaiden is sufficient. We needed to know why Naruto had Kyuubi and why he was left alone. Have him meet his parents or even talking about the extended family is not necessary to either. I would be fine with a short side-treck into this if that is all it was, but an extended trek like we got with the Uchiha? Again, what would that accomplish and how would that no sideline the actual plot? I see running into similar problems the Uchiha coverage caused.

 

I still do not understand why, given who Naruto is as a person and his motivations, why learning about the Uzumaki, in great detail, is needed? It was never information Naruto sought. If it was something he cared very much about and had been seeking on his journey, then yes, it matters. But it wasn't. Hell, even in the Gaiden with Sarada he emphasizes bond over blood. Besides satisying curiosity, what does it do?

 

I think after Pain is when Naruto should have run down (and caught up with Sasuke) and had their fight. Besides that, there was nothing left for Naruto to do. The one thing they could have done was test the mettle of his philosophy, but that chance has been there the whole time. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Where's my chapter!?

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@nate
Clan matter for reader and story later, that's why naruto family name (uzumaki) become a big deal when it's turnout uzumaki is a not a regular family name but a powerful clan name which never brought up until pain invasion arc.

Oh that's why sakura getting hate and Hinata getting the love.

I agree with derok, naruto is a main character that thing should be revealed or kishi should never make that uzumaki is a special clan Eventhough sealing technique always a spiral(uzumaki). Turnout that naruto is a chosen one and neji is right

Anyway, how can I stop the notification to my email?

[Derock]

Where's my chapter!?

 

If you are talking about my work, I haven't even started yet...

 

But you meant the actual manga, well, I'm guessing the translators got fed up, they are not paying attention to it, which is good news.

 

Now, if we can persuade a certain officials...

[T XD]

Where's my chapter!?

Any minute now to start some card duel.
 

@nate
Clan matter for reader and story later, that's why naruto family name (uzumaki) become a big deal when it's turnout uzumaki is a not a regular family name but a powerful clan name which never brought up until pain invasion arc.
 
Oh that's why sakura getting hate and Hinata getting the love.
 
I agree with derok, naruto is a main character that thing should be revealed or kishi should never make that uzumaki is a special clan Eventhough sealing technique always a spiral(uzumaki). Turnout that naruto is a chosen one and neji is right
 
Anyway, how can I stop the notification to my email?

Notification of what exactly ? Replies, posts posted in specific threads, etc.

Edited by T XD, 02 June 2017 - 08:12 AM.

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Any minute now to start some card duel.
 
Notification of what exactly ? Replies, posts posted in specific threads, etc.

Yes, something like that. It send into my email. How can I stop it?

[Nostradamus]

Yes, something like that. It send into my email. How can I stop it?

In the top right corner, left click on your username, click on "My Settings" then on the left side you have "Notification Options" click on that and select or deselect whatever options you like. Then click "Save Changes" which is located on the bottom.

Edited by Nostradamus, 02 June 2017 - 11:44 AM.

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@nostradamus
Thanks, I will check it right away.

[VanitasDS76491]

You have to understand, this IS (well, WAS) Naruto's story. He's the titular character for crying out loud. That role, we NEEDED the background information so they can provide the audience, us, why he's the titular character in the first place.  Added that info and some relevance in the story, since we were spoon fed with a ton full of background for the secondary main character's family, we could've at least have some sort of balance.

Kingdom hearts did this better with sora being the focus and Riku is given fair screen time but the focus is still on sora.

[Nate River]

@nate
Clan matter for reader and story later, that's why naruto family name (uzumaki) become a big deal when it's turnout uzumaki is a not a regular family name but a powerful clan name which never brought up until pain invasion arc.

Oh that's why sakura getting hate and Hinata getting the love.

I agree with derok, naruto is a main character that thing should be revealed or kishi should never make that uzumaki is a special clan Eventhough sealing technique always a spiral(uzumaki). Turnout that naruto is a chosen one and neji is right

Anyway, how can I stop the notification to my email?

 

@nate
Clan matter for reader and story later, that's why naruto family name (uzumaki) become a big deal when it's turnout uzumaki is a not a regular family name but a powerful clan name which never brought up until pain invasion arc.

Oh that's why sakura getting hate and Hinata getting the love.

I agree with derok, naruto is a main character that thing should be revealed or kishi should never make that uzumaki is a special clan Eventhough sealing technique always a spiral(uzumaki). Turnout that naruto is a chosen one and neji is right

Anyway, how can I stop the notification to my email?

 

Okay. He came from a powerful clan and the series said so. Short of tying it into major plot threads, why is simply saying so not enough? Why did it need to do more? What does the series and characters get for doing so?

[Shadow1275]

 

 

Okay. He came from a powerful clan and the series said so. Short of tying it into major plot threads, why is simply saying so not enough? Why did it need to do more? What does the series and characters get for doing so?

It pretty much destroyed the key dynamic of the series= Hard Work vs. Raw Talent.

 

The Superman Clan was always more Sasuke's thing. Naruto was just some idiot who didn't give up and learned by sheer perseverence. 

 

Then we learn that his father was the Fourth Hokage and his Mother was from some super clan with superhuman strength and stamina. Then we learned that Senju and Uchiha were descended from the sons of the Six sage.

 

I would have much prefferred Naruto being just some hard working idiot bc the way he worked around the talent gaps for the techniques he learned were actually pretty brilliant. Like when he learned the Rasengan in three days bc he used his clones to spread out the work. I didn't really like Naruto (The Character) until the Chunin Exam arc. That was when the Knucklehead started to win me over through his sheer willpower to push through.

 

Hell If I wrote Naruto I would have had him cast off the ninetails and use his own power so he'd be more in line of Minato. Fukk the whole Sage of Six Paths Prophecy Superman bull. Ppl like Goku bc he found ways to win using his own power, which he worked hard for. 

 

 

Just look at him, there's a Hero I can get behind.

 

Really the dynamic focused on Naruto was that Power given is easily corrupted. Power EARNED is respected. But into Part 2 however, we get the whole Six sage paths thing where The senju were masters of body and the uchiha got his eyes. This smashes the hard work dynamic. Though i still like Minato and Kushina.

Edited by Shadow1275, 03 June 2017 - 09:45 PM.