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#26761 hisaberpie

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 10:52 PM

Well good news is I'm 93% finished with my book, and this was the only thing going through my mind while I was writing it... 
 

 
 
 
Yeah real red herring Kishi honestly...


Kishi butchered sai and yamato too.. the two guys actually trying to get naruto and sakura together..

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Posted 22 May 2018 - 12:10 AM

Pretty much.
Think about this for a second this is a dude who said "I don't know how to defeat Madara."
Every other topic everyone talks about?
Kekkei Genkai? Not really planned. He was originally going to make the Byakugan an offshoot of the Sharingan, but then decided to make it his own thing.
The Konoha 11? Not really much to them. Saw them as background characters and was going to kill most of them off before the time skip, but due to popular demand kept them on.
4th Hokage? I know he planned for a very long time that he was Naruto's father, but I don;t believe he was ever going to reveal that fact let alone have him in the story.
Every other idea in the story he has a "I didn't plan for it, it just happened that way."
But when it comes to NH and SS: the radicals want me to believe that "Yeah, it was all planned from the beginning. In fact, before I even thought of the concept of Naruto, NaruHina and SasuSaku  was always my highest priority. All the bad writing? Totally planned to fool you since the very beginning."
He can't figure out how to defeat his the main villain within months of writing them, but he knows exactly how his so called "favorite pairing" is going to happen and construct an elaborate hoax to show how 15 years of writing was a misdirection? Man, talk about a massive conspiracy theory. It would be easier, and more believable, to say that NH and SS was a retcon because his editors demanded he change it.


I think Jugo's curse mode got reconed as a kekkei genkai, which granted I could actually see being a genic curse from his clan working to be honest, however it was done so poorly you don't really buy it.

Honestly I wish the three eyes remain sperated from each other as to how they got connected to each other was ridiculous. Like how to get the rinnegan by being reincarnations of the sages sons and having the DNA of both being the best example. Wished it just remained as being etheir a random, a descendent of the sages or even his direct reincarnation occurrence. I kinda thought the sharingan and byakugan connection would of later to have been revealed to propergander set up by the second hokage to undermine the uchia I'm order to keep them in check and such.

If I recall I think kishimoto wanted to do more mission arcs with team 7 to develop them slowly and at the same introduce some side characters , but his editors told him to some big tornment or exam arc which is what we ended up with. Granted I think we all loved the Chunin exams arc, but team 7 were not creamy ready for it namely sakura.

I think neji and chouji were originally suppose to die, but kept on like said and only chouji of the two had any real development in part 2. Does feel like that shino, chouji, neji & kiba were going to die in part 1, while hinata and maybe kankuro would die in part 2. Heck the only side characters I think he would of developed would of been gaara, shikamaru and rock Lee.

I think the 4th was meant for a prequel series instead we got boruto.

There is no way it was planned form the begging not when the bridge scene, the hug and road to ninja happened.

He could of just said "I originally wanted Narusaku to become a couple, but I changed my mind and decided on naruhina and sasusaku", instead he nope it was planned al along no matter how stupid it sounds

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Posted 22 May 2018 - 12:19 AM

He could of just said "I originally wanted Narusaku to become a couple, but I changed my mind and decided on naruhina and sasusaku", instead he nope it was planned al along no matter how stupid it sounds

 

"I planned NH and SS from the beginning, but somehow I never planned on how to actually write them getting together or for that matter why they would get together.....but it was all planned from the beginning....believe it."

 


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Posted 22 May 2018 - 12:34 AM

You know what always got me about Kishi was when he said this,  "I'm not good with writing romance.."  if we're talking about NaruHina and SasuSaku without a shadow of a doubt, but  that condricts his statements because of one couple in particular MinaKushi.

 

 

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Of course you're capable of writing a good romance Kishi and MinaKushi shows that it's there, but honestly stick to your guns and don't chicken out like you did when it came to the final portion of the manga.


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Posted 22 May 2018 - 12:35 AM

"I planned NH and SS from the beginning, but somehow I never planned on how to actually write them getting together or for that matter why they would get together.....but it was all planned from the beginning....believe it."


The entire ending was a money grabbing scam. Kishimoto gave up on naruto so you can see naruto giving up on sakura, sasuke, his ninja way and just enduring everything thats wrong in his life.

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Posted 22 May 2018 - 02:25 PM

There was so much potential that was just thrown away. Kekkei tota is one of them that Im pretty interested in. Onoki has dust release, which is one. And one is mentioned in Gaara Hiden. But we don't get any background. Thats one thing im pretty pissed about.


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Posted 22 May 2018 - 04:25 PM

 

"I planned NH and SS from the beginning, but somehow I never planned on how to actually write them getting together or for that matter why they would get together.....but it was all planned from the beginning....believe it."

 

If he changed his mind, then he would have at least tried to build up NH somewhat towards the end. It was NS until 699. That's some hack writing.



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Posted 22 May 2018 - 05:42 PM

Pretty much.

Think about this for a second this is a dude who said "I don't know how to defeat Madara."

Every other topic everyone talks about?
Kekkei Genkai? Not really planned. He was originally going to make the Byakugan an offshoot of the Sharingan, but then decided to make it his own thing.
The Konoha 11? Not really much to them. Saw them as background characters and was going to kill most of them off before the time skip, but due to popular demand kept them on.
4th Hokage? I know he planned for a very long time that he was Naruto's father, but I don;t believe he was ever going to reveal that fact let alone have him in the story.

Every other idea in the story he has a "I didn't plan for it, it just happened that way."

But when it comes to NH and SS: the radicals want me to believe that "Yeah, it was all planned from the beginning. In fact, before I even thought of the concept of Naruto, NaruHina and SasuSaku  was always my highest priority. All the bad writing? Totally planned to fool you since the very beginning."

He can't figure out how to defeat his the main villain within months of writing them, but he knows exactly how his so called "favorite pairing" is going to happen and construct an elaborate hoax to show how 15 years of writing was a misdirection? Man, talk about a massive conspiracy theory. It would be easier, and more believable, to say that NH and SS was a retcon because his editors demanded he change it.
 

It would have been one thing if most of the stuff in Naruto he did plan and then turn over his head. Knowing that he planned virtually nothing from the series and did what his editors told him to makes me want to pull my hair out. It's no wonder it fell apart: Kishi had NO vision for the story. Heck, he didn't even think to make the story of Naruto about ninja in the first place. This more than the pairing debacle made me lose most of my respect for him and gives me no confidence for his new manga. 

 

Well good news is I'm 93% finished with my book, and this was the only thing going through my mind while I was writing it... 

 

 

 

 

Yeah real red herring Kishi honestly... 

Kishi does not understand the difference between a red herring and a lie.

 

 

"I planned NH and SS from the beginning, but somehow I never planned on how to actually write them getting together or for that matter why they would get together.....but it was all planned from the beginning....believe it."

 

It's even more amazing that he decided "I will give several hints Naruto and Sakura will get together and put genuine effort into it, all the while ignoring NH."



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Posted 23 May 2018 - 08:45 PM

Yeah seriously, What he pulled was not a red herring, it was a complete lie. For one reason, Hinata never existed until chapter 37 of the manga, and before that the plan was to have her as a civillian, not a ninja. Lastly he DID NOT WRITE THE "HINATA GETS LAID MOVIE", nor did he  write the last 2 chapters of Naruto if I recall correctly, so there was no red herring for anything. He just gave up on what he wanted to write and many ideas weren't even his own


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#26770 LuckyChi7

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Posted 25 May 2018 - 07:33 PM

This was such an amazing moment, and still one of the better moments post pain arc content

 

 

 

 

it just sucks that the negative from the ending and "THE LAST"  :down:  affects this too...


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