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#990563 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Phantom_999 on 06 September 2023 - 05:10 PM

There is, actually and I say this completely without bias. 1.Sasuke never leaves the village. 2. Erase all of the kitten he did towards Sakura during part 2 especially in the later parts. 3. Develop them from then on out. The stupidest kitten is not only did SasuSaku happen out of left field, it was built on the foundation of Sasuke breaking Sakura's hear by leaving in the first place and after became so indifferent to her that he has no second thoughts about killing her if she gets in his way. This may be a tough pill to swallow for us a community but it has to be said . Sasuke and Sakura would in no way be as unbelievable as they are now in the narrative if Sasuke never left in the first place and did not show all of that negativity to Sakura that would considered abusive if circumstances were different. in fact his attitude is abusive too even in part 1 but if there was development in that department then it would at least look better. I ultimately support the relationship between Naruto and Sakura because of what was shown, and not only personal preference so that has to be a two way street. IF Sakura actually had any positive development with Sasuke, then it wouldn't be an issue. But no, the authorities that confirmed their relationship took it as an easy way out for Naruto to get it on with  his "dutch wife" Hinata Hyuga and she must be his first and only love so they invalidated his feelings for Sakura and essentially a major part of his character. It ended up making him look as shallow and unsympathetic as the attempted gaslighting on what his feelings for Sakura were and we all know that is fact.




#990509 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Phantom_999 on 24 August 2023 - 02:50 PM

Kishimoto didn't try to gaslight anyone, It was Hinata's fanatics in WSJ, Studio Pierrot that see how hyped up she was in the west that gaslighted HIM AND ATTEMPTED TO GASLIGHT EVERY fan that actually read the story. They thought that the populace that appreciated Hinata Hyuga as a "submissive dutch wife" wife as much as them was WAAAAY bigger than it actually was and appealing to her was the ticket to make Naruto sell even more internationaly and stroke their egos on how how much the Hinata Hyuga community loved Hinata Hyuga. See how badly that back fired, and I just laugh at the irony of it. Kishimoto isn't some manipulative maniac with a hidden agenda, he is a man exhausted and and tired of spending so much time drawing this one series and just wanted to end it because he realizes how much time it took away from him that could be spent with his family instead which really hit him when his father passed away and he was still scribbling away in his studio. Albeit, I still wouldn't put my faith in any manga brand with his name in it anymore, but objectively everyone has to realize he was not the problem or reason with Naruto's decline, it was greed and obsessive vicarious lust for a fictional side character that actually had no impact on the plot. 




#990429 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Phantom_999 on 13 August 2023 - 09:39 PM

I know I haven't posted anything here for a long while, because like I said debating on Naruto is not making me happy anymore, so I just stopped caring. But there is one thing that we all know when objectively speaking. Shown in " The Last" Naruto did not debate or argue with Sakura when she said that he only wanted her as a trophy girlfriend to win from Sasuke, in fact he respected her opinion to not make a fuss on it and has ALWAYS considered, respected and empathized with Sakura's feelings, especially before the movie. In contrast when Hinata rejected him to go with Toneri in that exact same movie he gave up on and said "EFF everything, I have nothing going for me in my life because Hinata doesn't love me" not even considering there was a reasoning for her behavior and change of heart. So again, which love shows maturity and acceptance and which love is petty selfish and possessive. And when you think about how it was meant to portray the opposite way around, it is just down right laughable.




#989971 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Phantom_999 on 30 June 2023 - 11:16 PM

What is an underrated NS scene no one talks about?

 

One from me personally when Sakura remembered herself thanking Sasuke for saving her, and he corrected her saying it was Naruto that saved her, which she didn't really believe at first but then Sasuke assured her he was being honest and that Naruto was so fighting so desperately for her that he showed his hidden strength, to which makes her smile bashfully. And in the anime it made an extended scene of her buying Ohagi (or some sort of sweets) for Sasuke and debating whether she should give some to Naruto to which the flashback happens and then she declares YES SHE WILL. As stated moments like these are overlooked by everyone having wet dreams of Hinata or vicarious wet dreams on how Naruto deserves a shy quiet girl that will never oppose him and how poor, abused Hinata deserves to be with her crush. 

 

Side note* but I really must say for all the complaining that  done that SP extended scenes to make Hinata look better and Sakura look like a worse tsundere than she actually is animated moments like that tend to be forgotten and overlooked even in this community at times I feel.




#989970 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Phantom_999 on 30 June 2023 - 11:00 PM

I just realized something... if they hate Sakura hitting Naruto... what do they say about Winry throwing a wrench at Ed?

 

Ed and Al were not ostracized an in their hometown and there was no "cool sexy bad boy rival" for Winry to drool over at first. I assume at least.

 

Besides overall from what I gather FMA is not as polarizing as Naruto on a fundamental level and the characters are nowhere near as debated. if anything there is just flame wars on which FMA is "better".

 

 

With all story ideas. Maybe.

 

How Naruto treats him at first is more person who ruined his life by: killing his parents, having him turned into Kurama's container, and helping Itachi kill the uchiha clan starting his best friends revenge obsession. Who he wants to defeat and just thinks is a rambling lunatic that needs to be stopped.

 

Then that page happened. From that point on, he is the big brother Naruto never had. People forget the first part because of the "coolest guy" moment.

 

Him knowing who he was before may have helped or he would have always just thought of him as a big bro.

 

The problem with Naruto and Obito is its not laid out why and how Naruto's opinion of him changed that the audiences would actually be willing to grasp.

 

My problem is the double standard of it rather than there being more reasons for Naruto to sympathize with Obito than just a desire of being hokage. Naruto ultimately sympathized with Nagato for wanting to achieve peace but was betrayed by the very person he was seeking an alliance with and had a sadistic choice to make regarding his best friend which said best friend made for him by committing suicide. Gaara was hated and unloved by his entire village, and unlike Naruto, had multiple assassination attempts on him. Naruto ultimately sympathized with both of them, both of them yet did not call either of them "coolest guy" just because they are similar. And in fact Obito had it easy compared to all three of them, he had a family and a normal childhood but ultimately decided life was worthless because he witnessed the love of his life killed by his (last second) best friend which is completely disproportionate to the actions he responded with yet he is one Naruto calls a "cool guy". Naruto understood Nagato and Gaara when he heard about their back stories but he could not forgive Nagato even then, and threatened Gaara that he will kill him if the former tries to take away those he loves even if he acknowledges Gaara had the harder life. Even if it represents Naruto's character development supposedly the execution of it was just terrible since Naruto said that while the same panel displays a full landscape of corpses in the middle of the war. That completely contradicts the meaning of the message if you ask me. Also again, If Naruto was willing to be all loving and all forgiving to the one that ruined his life and created the very first war he experienced just because he was whiny and petty enough to justify the world is rotten and should be molded in the image he wanted just because he never got to kiss his "unrequited love" (because that is all it boils down to in the end), then Naruto had a poor showing of trying to change anything again now didn't he. Sure we are too caught up on Naruto calling Obito the "coolest guy", but honestly the actions he took and the reasoning for it are hardly justified compared to the above examples isn't it. Oh and Obito as Tobi told Naruto about the the truth of the Uchiha massacre. You don't see Naruto calling Itachi the "coolest guy" either.




#989906 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Phantom_999 on 21 June 2023 - 07:34 AM

The fact that Obito wanted to be hokage before excuses his actions in Naruto's eyes? Not believable, and I found it more annoying than anything. And again as the ending showed, Naruto supports the ninja system which apparently is the root cause of everything makes the moral message even more garbage. 




#989898 Boku No Hero Academia

Posted by Phantom_999 on 19 June 2023 - 06:59 PM

Oh that's an idea! :yes: Yeah I feel that writing and drawing manga continuously at this point will take an even heavier toll on him so yeah he could probably leave the heavy lifting to his assistants and team to draw and he drafts the plot




#989893 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Phantom_999 on 19 June 2023 - 04:10 AM

"Hot" individual's actions are always excused. That is a trend I always notice in fictional works. Not the right mindset, I know but Sasuke has always had his choices and deeds defended because he is a handsome pretty boy.




#989886 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Phantom_999 on 18 June 2023 - 07:08 PM

Oh god found a video on how fans reacted to the new dragon ball z budokai tenkaichi 4 game, and in many, they take the piss out of how Naruto fans still haven't got a new game. All they have is Connections.
 
I've just found the video it is funny.
 


How can I find this offensive? I’m not a Naruto fan lol. I’m a FORMER Naruto fan. Have been for the last 9 years


#989817 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Phantom_999 on 14 June 2023 - 06:07 AM

I feel that even beyond ignoring Sakura in terms of fights Kishi was just ignoring her in general. That is what the issue is for fans. While you can't downplay Sakura's significance to the plot the fact remains that she disappears from the plot for chapters and chapters at a time too, and while her bonds to Naruto and Sasuke is what arguably holds them together there is not enough focus on that aspect. Kishi focused on Naruto and Sasuke's bond to almost the exclusion of everything else, and that is what hurts the story because you can't revolve a theme on bonds and emotional connection but make that story only about the bond and emotional connection between two people and leave everyone else out as an after thought, that is just contradictory and I've said a million times and I WILL say a million times more, Naruto and Sasuke's bond is not believable or functional as a friendship or anything meaningful if you look at RL friendships or even friendships in other WSJ series. I've said so before but Gaara seems like more of a genuine friend to Naruto because it shows how Naruto's influence impacted him and how it affected and changed him for the better and he even shows gestures showing he considers Naruto his friend when he pulls Naruto's hand towards his own for a handshake. That gets brushed aside for Naruto's so called brotherhood with Sasuke which boils down to Naruto wants Sasuke back home with him BECAUSE HE SAYS SO, and Sasuke clearly did not value friendship or familial bonds with anyone outside of his blood family because avenging them is all that matters and not even Naruto holds that much water by comparison at least at the time. I'm going off tangent here but my point is that if there was focus on Sakura more, even the emotional aspects of it, there wouldn't be this opinion that she is useless I feel. There is too much emphasis on fight scenes and not much else for a FC to be considered strong when that is clearly not the case with a huge example I can think of is the dichotomy between MCU Black Widow and Captain Marvel for instance.




#989803 Black Clover

Posted by Phantom_999 on 13 June 2023 - 04:21 PM

Waiting for an epic comeback!!!!

 

and also




#989745 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Phantom_999 on 07 June 2023 - 11:48 PM

That's true Naruto and Sasuke DID connect initially, but obviously not enough to make a believable friendship that would entail Naruto's obsession with Sasuke and Sasuke did not value it enough to change his mind. That is also what I have issue with, it is not really treated like a friendship in the sense that you could actually feel any camaraderie them. Looking at other shonen series, in WSJ especially and their so called "friendship" comes across as demented. Besides When I said that they never actually connected, I meant that in childhood they sympathized with each other in secret but never reached out or talked to eachother DESPITE knowing just how lonely the other boy is, so again how believable is their so called bond? And I agree on the the target demographic thing and how by nature it is contradictory to the message he wanted to portray, BUUUT my point on the matter is that again if he wanted to do that message he should have committed to it or not write it at all. I suppose he did realize he wrote himself into a corner at some point which is why he abolished the idea, meaning he had to end the series as a whole or continue it. I think he should have ended the series then and not consider any future sequels or projects if he REAALLY wanted to go for the world peace thing. Either way he did not commit, and that is what is so wrong with the series in many aspects.




#989742 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Phantom_999 on 07 June 2023 - 02:59 PM

I wouldn't be so critical and negative about Naruto's unrealistic and overhyped ideals of bringing world peace if it weren't for the fact that he is a complete hypocrite and liar about it. He hasn't changed anything during his position as hokage. and let's not forget that " IF I CAN'T BJ MY BEST FRIEND THAT I NEVER ACTUALLY CONNECTED TO, I RATHER NOT LIVE ANYMORE." mentality H rather do a double suicide with Sasuke than change the world for the better like he promised the villain disillusioned by the ninja system and did what they did because of it. I'm not calling him incompetent for bringing a childish unrealistic goal into the story, more than I am calling him incompetent for not carrying it out. And also regarding any double standards that involve Sasuke. WHICH IS EVERYTHING. Plus let's not forget the bane of any good story, written or otherwise. When you let real life biases get in the way of writing it the way you want.




#989727 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Phantom_999 on 06 June 2023 - 06:24 PM

I'm assuming that like in Japan, Sakura is probably very popular in NA and the west in general. It's only that her haters tend to be VERY VERY vocal about it . I could be wrong but maybe that could be the case from the look of the popularity polls. Either that or Sakura isn't hated so much anymore because Naruto already married Hinata. Although that depends on how large the fan base still is. 

 


I get sick when people defend Hinata saying "Naruto's hand is so warm."
 
the context of it BEING that she had that thought RIGHT AFTER her cousin was killed DEFENDING her from being killed for trying to take a fatal blow for Naruto. Objectively looking at it can you see how selfish that is? You can't spare a thought for your own family doing a selfless act for you, and can only think how nice and warm and big your crush's hand is?  She also clearly hasn't learned her lesson from how counterproductive meat shielding for someone else is.



#989616 Naruto: Alternative The Last (Doujinshi)

Posted by Phantom_999 on 24 May 2023 - 06:18 AM

Yeah canon material. Without Hinata he lost his will to live or even give a kitten about anyone. This is why viewers called him the worst scumbag, this contradictory behavior to his canon nature that had fans rooting for him in the first place