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#686944 The Last: Naruto the Movie: Thread 2 aka The Last retcon: Hinata-sama the movie

Posted by AnimeGirl_123 on 05 December 2014 - 01:24 PM

New kishi interview

http://eiga.com/movie/79681/interview/

Trans:

Naruto ending up with Hinata was decided in the very early stages of the story.
Naruto being close to Sakura was a deliberate mislead, thats why the scenes of Sakura being compared to Kushina were introduced.
The Last Movie is not only the story of Naruto falling in love with Hinata, but it is the story of Sakura & Naruto parting ways.
He felt the story of Naruto falling in love with Hinata has to be propely explained, or it wouldnt be fair to the readers. Thats why the Last Movie exists.

^is this really what Kishi said?? If so I'll throw up. He just wanted to keep us interested..
If nh was decided sooo early then why was there barely any interactions?!


#678435 In the end, which was the main pairing? NH...or SS?

Posted by AnimeGirl_123 on 29 November 2014 - 08:42 AM

According to an interview, he had planned NaruSaku, but then changed his mind when he "realized" that Sakura falling out of love with Sasuke would make her a terrible woman. So yeah, it's not about money or even him being a sh*tty writer (though he is). The man is simply insane. If this is how he understands women, I feel sorry for his wife.

He decided on NH according to the interview. He only thought about NS but never did it because he thought Sakura moving on would be terrible (lol). Dumb reason.

Also, I think Kishi's main pairing would be the one to get an entire Kishi-approved 2 hour movie to itself.  That pairing is NaruHina.  Since there is apparently no SasuSaku in The Last, safe to assume NaruHina happened first.  Naruto is the main character and NaruHina is the main pairing. Simple as that.  Had NaruSaku happened (and it should have), we would have been the main pairing.




#677171 The Last: Naruto the Movie: Thread 2 aka The Last retcon: Hinata-sama the movie

Posted by AnimeGirl_123 on 28 November 2014 - 05:32 AM

I find it hard to believe he had this planned out, because otherwise he would have actually developed the NH relationship IN THE MANGA but he didn't so that's why he sold out.

I don't think he sold out, or else NH wouldn't have been planned for "quite some time".  He didn't develop NH in the manga because he sucks at romance and was embarrassed to do it. Poor excuse, I know.  But that's the reality of it. There's no evidence for the "sold out" theory.  It's an assumption.  

Apparently the neutral translators say according to the interview, that NS was just a thought at some point in time after he chose Hinata. "I decided on Hinata quite some time ago.  At one point I thought about (considered) Sakura for the role, BUT... *insert kitten reason as to why NS didn't happen* 

 

At this point I am laughing lol




#676708 The Last: Naruto the Movie: Thread 2 aka The Last retcon: Hinata-sama the movie

Posted by AnimeGirl_123 on 27 November 2014 - 07:07 PM

"Honestly, we here in Japan, our respect and gratefulness to Kishimoto is more than enough to compensate for all the imperfections of his work (Naruto) and The Last Naruto the Movie so it really doesnt matter anymore who Naruto ends up with. Were happy that Naruto got a family of his own. Maybe some are disappointed with things that are missing in the movie but not to the point that we hate it most esp. the ending. Its Kishis decision to end it like it that and we respect that. Well, that was the opinion of majority of the people I talked to about Naruto."

I think it just depends on the person.


#676087 The Last: Naruto the Movie: Thread 2 aka The Last retcon: Hinata-sama the movie

Posted by AnimeGirl_123 on 27 November 2014 - 04:40 AM

I still cant get over the NH and SS fans fighting each other.  its kittening hilarious and ironic. 




#674783 The Last: Naruto the Movie: Thread 2 aka The Last retcon: Hinata-sama the movie

Posted by AnimeGirl_123 on 26 November 2014 - 05:25 AM

Well, judging by some of things I read, it would seem like flashback won't even contain hand holding. So that would mean I should expect a lot of movie exclusive flashback?

Look, I'm not here to tell you to like or dislike. I would say this: if the focus is one thing, anyone can like it easily, especially if it's heavily focused outside the barrier of the manga. In short, you don't have to read the manga. You can see it and think for yourself. You can have anyone else with similar personality or lack there of and you may like the pairing.

Before I let you go, I will say this and I will be done. The movie is to make you believe in their market. Meaning take the bait and join in. That's why many of us and at tumblr are not buying it. That's like watching the news and believe that the country is really kitten not unless you go there and see why. And this is why I hate this movie with a passion. When it comes down to it, the only relevant characteristic is that Hinata loves Naruto. That's it. There's no need for anything because you got the premise and there you go. Everything else is all movie exclusive. The scarf, the plot, the genjutsu, and the timeline that really adds nothing at all. It's as if Kishi kitten up, he can go back to part 2 era and work from there.

So if you like NH, thanks to this movie, that's fine. But know the reason why we don't decide to like it. It's opinions and we all have to respect it.

I saw that! That surprised me! XD Still, we are in for a whole bunch of other crap. 

 

Hm, that's true.  Although you would think focusing on one thing is bad because if people don't like that one thing... the movie logically won't do well. Since it's completely NH, you'd need to at least tolerate the pairing to enjoy this movie.

 

Well, I won't be buying the movie so I am technically not supporting it (ewwww never).  I'll probably watch it when it comes out online for free.  I see what you're saying and I also think many things contradict the manga. I'm just curious at how Kishi and SP will pull this off in a realistic way if that's even possible LOL. So far it seems like I am reading straight out of a bad NH fanfic. 

 

One thing is for sure... NS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NH in development. They just can't compare.




#672789 The Last: Naruto the Movie: Thread 2 aka The Last retcon: Hinata-sama the movie

Posted by AnimeGirl_123 on 24 November 2014 - 08:22 PM

From takl

 

 

 

When they were still in the academy, Iruka once asked the class to write down who they'd like to be with if the world should end. 
Most kids wrote down their families but Naruto couldn't name anyone as he didn't have a family. Hinata couldn't either as she was a black sheep in the family. 
 
Naruto: Hinata, you know, in that class to write down who we'd like to be with if the world was to end tomorrow, I couldn't write anyone cos I didn't know mum or dad...and I didn't have a friend back then.....but now I can say this clearly that I want to be with Hinata for years to come... till the day I die!
 
Naruto: when looking at Hinata I feel a tightening in my chest tebayo!
Sakura: that's what Love does.
Sakura: you liked me just because I liked Sasuke-kun, didn't u?
But as for hinata you're dead serious, huh.



#669813 The Last: Naruto the Movie: Thread 2 aka The Last retcon: Hinata-sama the movie

Posted by AnimeGirl_123 on 23 November 2014 - 07:48 AM

Do you guys think Naruto will still call Sakura, Sakura-chan? I'm sure he will up until he gets with Hinata, but do you think he will continue to call her that after he has Bolt and Himawari too?

 

I hope he doesn't stop. It's his pet name for her. ><




#668714 The Last: Naruto the Movie: Thread 2 aka The Last retcon: Hinata-sama the movie

Posted by AnimeGirl_123 on 22 November 2014 - 10:26 AM

From takl

 

Kish "ive decided on hinata (to be narutos lady) since quite a long time ago. There was a time when i wondered if i should pick sakura (for the role) but now sakura would be too thick as a woman if she had a change of heart to give it to Naruto at this stage of the game (lol). plus actually sakura is always devoted to sasuke after all, I think."

from entermix january 2015 issue .

 

^His translation.  He is an unbiased (does not ship anything) guy from Japan that has been translating on NF for a long time now.

 

 

during the Kage Summit arc? Kish didnt specify when.

ur translator skipped the bit "ここに来て now at this stage/after coming this far"
 
^​Referring to us, and Kishi did not be specific when he "thought" about NS.
 

 

and no kish says sakura has been in love with sasuke all along.

 

 
^The part about Sakura always being devoted or wholeheartedly about Sasuke is true. Meaning she never changed her feelings and never loved Naruto.
 

 

sakuras motto was 'my lifelong love' wasnt it?

「一生愛の人生よ」in rin no sho i think.

 

haha! because the truth isnt credible 4 u .

 

@ sasusaku haters, reread the part one. as a sane boy sasuke did seem to care much about saukra.

 

I've gone and read a few different translations and opinions.... It really does seem to me like NaruHina indeed was Kishi's intended pairing for a long time, even before NaruSaku. =/ Sorry guys.. He only "thought about/considered" Sakura ending up with Naruto and that was most likely after he planned for Hinata to be the one. His thought process went like this "NH -> NS -> NH". The reason he didn't do NS wasn't because of NH though. It was because of Sakura loving Sasuke for far too long in the manga already and it would make her look bad if she changed her feelings so "late".  
 
Oh that guidebook picture Hinata looks weird to me.  Her chest is... bleh.  



#666782 The Last: Naruto the Movie: Thread 2 aka The Last retcon: Hinata-sama the movie

Posted by AnimeGirl_123 on 20 November 2014 - 06:37 PM

We were looking too much into the Kushina thing.  This is simple when you think about it:

 

Kushina: Find a woman like your mother.

Minato: This girl (Sakura) reminds me of Kushina.

Naruto: Not everything mom said is going according to plan.

 

Chapter 691 frightened me, although I didn't say anything when it came out.

 

I'm going to say NS was disregarded after the Kage Summit/Sakura's confession.  Because according to the interview Kishi is pretty much saying he's gone this far and having Sakura "switch" would be terrible.  The whole confession was mocking Sakura switching over to Naruto, so it was in the manga (what he said in the interview).  She would be "fickle" if she did that.

 

Of course many of us don't agree with Kishi's perspective... but I rest my case.

 

So what? Sakura shouldn't interact with Naruto nor think about him after Kishimoto made up his mind about NH/SS? All those panels are not romantic, we were interprating them as romantic hints because we thought NS was end game back then. 

As for the rest,it's either pairing tease, or either us looking too deep, or either Kishi was still not decided on the pairing until 615 which is highly unlikey since it was almost the end. The thing is that we'll never know when he made up his mind since there was always pairing tease to every ship, when it was not NS? it was NH or SS when it was neither NH or SS it was NS. 

It hurts.... The whole CPR moment was beautiful.  Kishi wrote this knowing Naruto would end up with Hinata. I'm convinced he knew it would be NH throughout the entire war arc.

 

The time he thought about NS was probably during the beginning of part two.  So we were not wrong in thinking NS could happen from back then.

 

 

 

Yeah, the logic here is just a friggin mess. 

 

The only one in the whole manga who ends up with their foreshadowed pairing is ShikaTema. Yet Sakura's the one who's a terrible woman for having a change of heart. When literally everyone else did. Including the main character. 

 

And right, any pairing could have been developed, at any time and in such a way that all characters were respected. Hell, he could've even tried to make Sasuke a decent guy so he could win over some of the NS ship to the pairing. But nope.

 

I don't think I'll ever understand what happened here, what was going through Kishimoto's mind.

 

I will say, however, that I don't buy that it all went according to some grand NH plan. I think the only plan he had was to milk the pairing wars for all he could, then just end it on whatever looks the most promising for a future series. I think he sold out, and these interviews about having it all mapped out are just a cover-your-*ss story.

Exactly.  Kishi apparently made up his mind long ago on pairings yet continued to tease NS.  That's just cruel.  

I'm not sure I believe the sold out theory anymore... It came from Kishi's mouth that he himself planned NH long ago and that he decided not to go with NS for bullsh** reasons.  I just wish we knew EXACTLY what point he decided to go with NH and bail on NS.  What I honestly got was he planned NH first (maybe not from the get go but before NS), then considered NS, but reverted back to NH. Again, for reasons that make no sense at all. I guess Naruto is terrible for moving on to Hinata after... 699 CHAPTERS. Talk about "coming this far" and then "suddenly switching over", you literally had Naruto loving Sakura until the last chapter of the series Kishi! Smh.




#665096 The Last: Naruto the Movie: Thread 2 aka The Last retcon: Hinata-sama the movie

Posted by AnimeGirl_123 on 19 November 2014 - 09:23 AM

I hope no one actually believes this movie will benefit NS in any way or that the finale was the infinite tsukuyomi. Apparently I can't disagree in the actual theory thread, so I'll say my piece here.
 

Don't get your hopes up again. The ending was the ending and any other source material will correlate with that. Just because NaruSaku's not canon doesn't mean we have to abandon everything that it stood for.  You can accept Kishi's choice while also still honoring your own perspective.  That's all I'll say on the matter.

I agree with this.  The movie is going to show how NH happened. Probably SS too. Kishimoto would not end his 15 year manga in a genjutsu and this manga is meant for 12-13 year olds.  I'm honestly just trying to be tolerate of these pairings at this point because I don't want the series ruined for me... being tolerate of SS is a lot harder than NH though.  Those murder attempts... >_> 

Really don't get your hopes up with this movie.  Ever since the NH CD cover came out that should have been a sign to keep expectations low.

 

BTW from NF

 

btw the Naruto movie website updated
 
 
From what I can read -
 
Media information (November 15 - November 23)
(Regarding The Last movie)
 
Magazines
 
11/17 (Monday) - Weekly Shonen Jump… info/introduction of the work
11/19 (Wednesday) - TV Pia - Interview (Junko Takeuchi)
11/20 (Thursday) - Entamikusu - Interview (Kishimoto Masashi-sensei) - Naruto Special Edition/Feature
11/22 (Saturday) - Weekly Shonen Jump - info/introduction of the work, list of public theaters

 

^So we should be getting a REAL Junko interview!

And from takL (trust worthy source)
 

apparently the film hasnt done yet due to kishs constant redpenciling ...

 

they havent finished the film and they are racing against time to make the screening date. same as when they did RTN.

kish is heavily involved in the film.

 

anime movies are always like that. 

still not so pressed as the Space Battleship Yamato 2199 which is to be released on the same date as "the last"

 

 im just reporting what the anime directer tweeted.

 

 

Hexa (another trust worthy source)

 

Kishimoto gained the title of "script supervisor" for The Last. Looking at the credits for RtN, it doesn't seem to me like he had that title.

 

 

From takL again, in a thread placing bets if Naruto and Hinata will kiss (vomit)
 

one of the anime staff tweeted that they were embarassed with the movie as they werent used to draw romantic scenes but battles

haha i expect kissing scenes at least.
i hope he wont let toneri beat him to it.
 
before i forget where i saw it which i always do, 
 
the tweet says their editor said "abashing naruto" and they instantly knew he was talking about the movie. naruto (anime) team are experienced in doing battle scenes and unused to romantic scenes.

 

 

Just reporting for on topic stuff.  With things like this... is why I am saying to really keep your hopes down.




#664106 The Last: Naruto the Movie: Thread 2 aka The Last retcon: Hinata-sama the movie

Posted by AnimeGirl_123 on 18 November 2014 - 02:50 AM

Remember the viz translation?
 
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Sakura's not trying or wanting to make you hers! She only wants to save you!
 
Then in 699 she asks to go with him on his journey like a child.
 
Lolwut?


That doesn't mean she stopped loving him. Just because you aren't looking for a relationship with someone doesn't mean you don't love them. Sakura couldn't see herself with Sasuke at that time because he did so many bad things. She wanted to save him, but that doesn't mean she didn't love him. Her ending up with him when he's good again is proof of that.

As for Naruto I think what Liliac is saying is not that he never loved Sakura.. But that he was able to move on more easily for whatever reason and that reason could be his feelings weren't developed much since the Pein arc. At least not seriously. With Sakura we got her thinking about Sasuke over lover nin and then a second confession. Hinata... Ugh. We don't need to expand on that. But for Naruto we got a girlfriend JOKE and him lightly scolding Sasuke for putting Sakura in a genjutsu. Seriously what's the comparison? :/


#663324 The Last: Naruto the Movie: Thread 2 aka The Last retcon: Hinata-sama the movie

Posted by AnimeGirl_123 on 17 November 2014 - 07:33 AM

Definitely Kishi's assistant. Has been confirmed to be the real deal by multiple trust worthy sources already and Kubo Tite (Bleach creator) follows him/her (link_papa). 

 

Well honestly even if it is pretty unprofessional to say something like that, he/she is also human.  link_papa was harassed alot by fellow NS fans on twitter to the point he/she had to tweet in English twice to accept that Kishi is the creator.  =/ I saw it with my own eyes, the amount of NS tweets Kishi's assistant got.

 

Although Sakura showed signs of moving onto Naruto.. how could he/she think we questioned her feelings for Sasuke? Meh.

 

By the way, Kishi's assistant also mentions Naruto and Sakura here too

 

ダイレクトメッセージで、ちと笑ってしまったのが、猫、猫、猫、猫、ナルト、サクラ、ナルトとサクラ、ナルトとサクラ、ナルトとサクラ、と画像貼ってあった時は 吹いた(^_^;) 好きなんだろうなー

https://twitter.com/...845516087144448

 

Not sure what it means though~




#662140 The Last: Naruto the Movie: Thread 2 aka The Last retcon: Hinata-sama the movie

Posted by AnimeGirl_123 on 16 November 2014 - 12:28 AM

Why? 

Because you can't get an accurate search result using the characters NAMES. they generate results that have nothing to do with pairings. -___-'
Just like OUR search engines. Same thing.

Look which is it:

Did Kishi sell out because NH/SS are more popular in Japan (the west doesnt matter to them) OR is NS more popular and Kishi purposely intended/always wanted NH/SS? Can't have both.




#662098 The Last: Naruto the Movie: Thread 2 aka The Last retcon: Hinata-sama the movie

Posted by AnimeGirl_123 on 15 November 2014 - 11:48 PM

Not even Kishimoto himself knows what he is saying.

Nobody knows what anyone is saying anymore....XDDDDDD

Well no cause he made NH/SS canon so he totally lost it XD
 

 

And... no proof k.

....just search the internet.

 

サスサク

ナルヒナ

ナルサク

You have to use those.  If you search by their names then it's flawed because other results will come up with just their names that doesn't have to do with the pairing.

Look Im an NS fan but Im not going to be biased and say that NS is more popular in Japan than SS. thats stupid. SS has always been more popular. but its debatable when it comes to NH and NS.