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#81 Fyuria'sLeo

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Posted 28 May 2016 - 10:34 PM

Still no comeback? Guess I'm going to say I've won this little debate since no one's trying to argue against my posts. 

Ive sat down an read all your posts and to be quiet honest you are extremely rude towards people who are just trying to have a civil discussion. I hate politics and I dont care about this years race because everyone of the candidates arent at all great, this whole Presidential campaign has been a giant freaking meme anyway.

But back on point you are acting childish you are calling people names in a Politics thread of all places I mean I guess you are on point yourself seeing how you are acting like a 4 year old who thinks he needs to yell in order to get everyones attention. I dont care who you support but why dont you pull back a bit an look at your recent posts and notice that you are being a huge ass.

 

Also I major in History and yes some of the things you've said are correct I believe you need to pick up a book and read one for once because you have clearly been reading wikipedia for some of these, they are quiet funny to read for someone who studies history for a living.


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Posted 29 May 2016 - 12:22 AM

Ive sat down an read all your posts and to be quiet honest you are extremely rude towards people who are just trying to have a civil discussion. I hate politics and I dont care about this years race because everyone of the candidates arent at all great, this whole Presidential campaign has been a giant freaking meme anyway.

But back on point you are acting childish you are calling people names in a Politics thread of all places I mean I guess you are on point yourself seeing how you are acting like a 4 year old who thinks he needs to yell in order to get everyones attention. I dont care who you support but why dont you pull back a bit an look at your recent posts and notice that you are being a huge ass.

 

Also I major in History and yes some of the things you've said are correct I believe you need to pick up a book and read one for once because you have clearly been reading wikipedia for some of these, they are quiet funny to read for someone who studies history for a living.

I've sat down an read all your posts and to be quiet honest you are extremely rude towards people who are just trying to have a civil discussion.

 

Am I really? I'd like to know how exactly. I'm giving my two cents, and what I believe is just common sense.It's not a "debate" until you have someone of the opposing view in it. And from what I've seen of the other candidates, I find them to be quite laughable. Politics is something that in one way or another, it gets heated. This may shock you, but I'm not trying to be politically correct here. If someone's offended by my posts then it's their problem. Not mine. Political correctness is destroying Western culture whether people like to admit it or not. It still remains a fact. 

 

I hate politics and I dont care about this years race because everyone of the candidates aren't at all great, this whole Presidential campaign has been a giant freaking meme anyway.

 

I can agree. A murderer who needs to be locked away, a socialist who has no experience outside an office, and a business man. However, when I look at Trump, I at least see someone who's been successful in life, and did it without threatening people's lives, lying about it, and being caught up in an FBI investigation.

 

But back on point you are acting childish you are calling people names

 

Really? Where did I call people names? Because I'm looking through right now, and not once have I personally attacked someone. If you're referring to my comments about the Democratic party as a whole...well, I'm not going to bother correcting what I said. I stand by it.

 

I guess you are on point yourself seeing how you are acting like a 4 year old who thinks he needs to yell in order to get everyones attention. I dont care who you support but why dont you pull back a bit an look at your recent posts and notice that you are being a huge ass.

 

:lmao: Okay, whatever you say.

 

Also I major in History and yes some of the things you've said are correct I believe you need to pick up a book and read one for once because you have clearly been reading wikipedia for some of these, they are quiet funny to read for someone who studies history for a living.

 

Wikipedia? Are you serious? This is laughable. Correct me where I'm wrong, then.

 

 

EDIT: They say a picture is worth a thousand words

 

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Posted 29 May 2016 - 01:58 AM

Trump is sexist and racist, that's true.
It doesn't make him unable to become a president, it just make him unpopular for certain group.
Some said that he need to "tone down" in order to win the election.

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Posted 29 May 2016 - 03:22 AM

Trump is sexist and racist, that's true.
It doesn't make him unable to become a president, it just make him unpopular for certain group.
Some said that he need to "tone down" in order to win the election.

Name one sexist or racist thing he has said. 



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Posted 18 June 2016 - 12:50 PM

Name one sexist or racist thing he has said. 

That banning mostly Arabic people from entering America, however I do agree on controlled imagination
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Posted 18 June 2016 - 09:02 PM

That banning mostly Arabic people from entering America, however I do agree on controlled imagination

I mean you just have to google it and a big bunch of tweets comes up, like how is this even a question even if you don't agree he's racist this is what he's famous for so it's not hard to find..

 

But Dalton I don't think you are any less racist than Trump, thus explaining is kinda futile? - sorry if my impression is wrong but you look like the kind of guy who digs the confederate flag and stuff so even with the link I gave I don't think you'd get it. x)


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Posted 18 June 2016 - 09:42 PM

That banning mostly Arabic people from entering America, however I do agree on controlled imagination

 

You're right. We need to bring in a bunch of Arabics so their beliefs will be implemented in america so we can ban gay marriage, make homosexualism a crime and force woman to wear burkas, just like in so many arab controlled countries. God bless multiculturalism


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Posted 20 June 2016 - 04:28 PM

That banning mostly Arabic people from entering America, however I do agree on controlled imagination

 

 

What would controlled immigration look like?

 

I imagine I'm significantly closer to your position than Dalton's.

 

The problem for me is that I have no faith in the State to enforce controlled immigration. They don't do it now with Mexican and South American immigration. They do next to nothing to try and remove those that overstay Visa's. Officials have admitted they cannot effectively screen people coming over from Syria and the San Bernandino shooting leads me to believe that even if they could they wouldn't try. Moreover, Obama's rather unprecedented application of proprietorial discretion (which really amounts to not enforcing the laws he doesn't like) means that no matter what limitations or protocol are put in place I have no faith that they'll be followed.

 

People who want the current ones enforced are routinely called racists and bigots. its virtually assumed that anyone, especially on the right, who want ANY type of limitations on immigration or simply want current law enforced are arguing in bad faith and it's really just because they hate Latinos. or Islam or Arabs....It can't possible be for any other reason and they can't possible be arguing in good faith.

 

What's the use of debating or negotiating with people assume the worst of you and your motivations.



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Posted 21 June 2016 - 01:44 PM

 
 
What would controlled immigration look like?
 
I imagine I'm significantly closer to your position than Dalton's.
 
The problem for me is that I have no faith in the State to enforce controlled immigration. They don't do it now with Mexican and South American immigration. They do next to nothing to try and remove those that overstay Visa's. Officials have admitted they cannot effectively screen people coming over from Syria and the San Bernandino shooting leads me to believe that even if they could they wouldn't try. Moreover, Obama's rather unprecedented application of proprietorial discretion (which really amounts to not enforcing the laws he doesn't like) means that no matter what limitations or protocol are put in place I have no faith that they'll be followed.
 
People who want the current ones enforced are routinely called racists and bigots. its virtually assumed that anyone, especially on the right, who want ANY type of limitations on immigration or simply want current law enforced are arguing in bad faith and it's really just because they hate Latinos. or Islam or Arabs....It can't possible be for any other reason and they can't possible be arguing in good faith.
 
What's the use of debating or negotiating with people assume the worst of you and your motivations.

I'm of the same opinion actually I just don't have faith in the state enough to actually follow and enforce laws on the books.

1.) I would at least cut the cost that people spend to get the proper migrant papers, and be vetted by several agencies including International law enforcement agencies before they even set foot in the states.

I also think that we should enforce the laws on the actual books and kick out any political leader that puts special interests groups above the American people. Migrant groups that favors illegals.

End the idea that illegals should be granted special protection because they broke our laws they deserve no special protections.
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Posted 21 June 2016 - 01:51 PM

I mean you just have to google it and a big bunch of tweets comes up, like how is this even a question even if you don't agree he's racist this is what he's famous for so it's not hard to find..
 
But Dalton I don't think you are any less racist than Trump, thus explaining is kinda futile? - sorry if my impression is wrong but you look like the kind of guy who digs the confederate flag and stuff so even with the link I gave I don't think you'd get it. x)

Hey, I dig the confederate flag ;) since I see it mostly as a rebels and southern thing. ;) I mean come on I have a Duke of Hazards Avatar that features the General Lee and Confederate Flag on top of the car... 😂 My Mexican cousin in law would laugh if you call me a racist because I also wave a little Mexican flag next to it lol to show us as a big mixed race southern family. She also knows I would never let anyone bad mouth my little second cousin. Her whole family came over here the right way and just got their citizenship papers in 2006 before she married my cousin. We were so proud of her and her family when they told us we even threw a party. :)

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Posted 21 June 2016 - 11:36 PM


I'm of the same opinion actually I just don't have faith in the state enough to actually follow and enforce laws on the books.

1.) I would at least cut the cost that people spend to get the proper migrant papers, and be vetted by several agencies including International law enforcement agencies before they even set foot in the states. 

 

Yes. It is incredibly expensive and time consuming (often taking thousands of dollars and years) for those who want to be here legally to come over. I'm all for making it easier for those who wish to be here and genuinely want to be Americans. 

 

One of my friends in law school was a Jordanian immigrant. I forget the time it took him, but it was not short. He resented the fact that others who didn't have to do what he did to get here were pushing to go to the front of the line. 

 

Given how the immigration code has been built and how complicated it is, I'm in favor of scrapping and starting over. It's much like the tax code in that it's been built and modified over generations in response to specific circumstances, which has resulted in it being a complicated mess without a ton of coherence.
 



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Posted 22 June 2016 - 11:59 AM

 
Yes. It is incredibly expensive and time consuming (often taking thousands of dollars and years) for those who want to be here legally to come over. I'm all for making it easier for those who wish to be here and genuinely want to be Americans. 
 
One of my friends in law school was a Jordanian immigrant. I forget the time it took him, but it was not short. He resented the fact that others who didn't have to do what he did to get here were pushing to go to the front of the line. 
 
Given how the immigration code has been built and how complicated it is, I'm in favor of scrapping and starting over. It's much like the tax code in that it's been built and modified over generations in response to specific circumstances, which has resulted in it being a complicated mess without a ton of coherence.
 

The cousin I mentioned above also stated it was really expensive thankfully her family runs a small business that helped fund them during that time. I also would make things a lot simpler too much like the tax code the process has gotten too big and bloated to understand properly.

I'm also in favor of closing tax loopholes for wealthy individuals like private jets being tax write offs etc That's just stupid they get to write a luxury item and turn it in too credits and scraping things to start over again. I mean Today after Tomorrow made a joke about the tax laws in the movie. One of characters said basically said while looking for books to burn "Hey guys their is a whole section of unnecessary tax laws that can be burned over here."

Edited by Ryriena, 22 June 2016 - 12:02 PM.

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Posted 24 June 2016 - 12:49 PM

England's public has voted for the Brexit with 51.8%, while Scotland and Norther Ireland have voted against it. David Cameron wants to step down. This all b/c of the whole immigration issue. Have thought about any other possible consequences with this decision? Now European countries can place tariffs on British exports and renegotiate major trade agreements. Scotland will leave the UK for sure this time. The country depends on financial support from Bruessel. Absolute chaos going on right now in the EU. The British Pound has already made a massive dip.


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Posted 24 June 2016 - 01:21 PM

It's worth noting that those who voted to leave are in the 50+ bracket. Unlike those in the 35-younger bracket, they have less to deal with the future since they're of the older generation. Instead it's the UK youth who gets saddled with the burden.

I really gotta wonder what the Queen thinks about all of this. I feel that despite the hands-off aproach the monarch takes, now really is a good time more than ever for her to speak in this time of uncertainty and anxiety.

P.S.: Nate, you're abstaining from the election this year, right?

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Posted 24 June 2016 - 02:02 PM

The youth seems to be more concerned with bending knee to the EU overlords rather then respecting their own country sovereignty.

 

Yes, this might be a time of uncertanty, or even chaos, but the alternative is just worse. The EU is a dying state that would just drag UK down. They couldn't even make their own choices anymore. The migrant crisis is a prime example. For the first time in quite a while, the british will put the interests of their own people ahead of others that are not even of their own country.

 

And now, it seems it's only a matter of time. How long will the EU last now that their backbone has chosen to leave?


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Posted 24 June 2016 - 02:07 PM

The youth seems to be more concerned with bending knee to the EU overlords rather then respecting their own country sovereignty.

 

Yes, this might be a time of uncertanty, or even chaos, but the alternative is just worse. The EU is a dying state that would just drag UK down. They couldn't even make their own choices anymore. The migrant crisis is a prime example. For the first time in quite a while, the british will put the interests of their own people ahead of others that are not even of their own country.

 

And now, it seems it's only a matter of time. How long will the EU last now that their backbone has chosen to leave?

The answer is not very long.

 

Thing is, the UK has a very strong stand alone economy, possibly the strongest next to the U.S. They can survive without trade fairly easily.

 

Oh, and also, on the account of Trump being "sexist" or "racist" you guys should check out Hillary's background. She's at the very least ten times worse. 


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Posted 24 June 2016 - 02:58 PM

I'd argue Hillary is worse because she has had the chance to be so. She's been a politician for a long while.

 

The time Trump said "I'm gonna bomb the kitten out of them, and kill their families" (meaning Syrian people and the relatives of terrorists) - Hillary actually did that. And she beats around the bush about it too.

 

But if Trump becomes president, then he will be worse.


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Posted 24 June 2016 - 03:00 PM

I'd argue Hillary is worse because she has had the chance to be so. She's been a politician for a long while.

 

The time Trump said "I'm gonna bomb the kitten out of them, and kill their families" (meaning Syrian people and the relatives of terrorists) - Hillary actually did that. And she beats around the bush about it too.

 

But if Trump becomes president, then he will be worse.

 

At least Trump wants friendly relations with Russia. Hillary, the way she is, would likely be more interested in starting a second cold war.


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Posted 24 June 2016 - 03:12 PM

I'd argue Hillary is worse because she has had the chance to be so. She's been a politician for a long while.

 

The time Trump said "I'm gonna bomb the kitten out of them, and kill their families" (meaning Syrian people and the relatives of terrorists) - Hillary actually did that. And she beats around the bush about it too.

 

But if Trump becomes president, then he will be worse.

He didn't say he was going to go out of is way to kill innocent people. He said he would attack the families of known terrorists, which isn't a terribly bad idea for what I would like to assume are obvious reasons.

 

To be honest, we need to show these Islamic terrorists just what can happen to their culture and religion when they mess with stronger countries that have superb military powers. Attack them culturally, religiously, and make them see their "agenda" is really hopeless. 

 

Hillary Clinton couldn't give a rats' ass about the American people or our allies.. She's using her voters, and she knows they're blind or even stupid enough to back very single thing she does. Hell, countries the U.S is enemies with are backing her and sending her money. Saudi Arabia, China, and Iran just to name a few. Is that someone you want in the White House? I'd think not. 

 

In fact, that should speak volumes about her itself.

 

@ Alexander

 

That's actually what the left wants. They fail to realize that if the U.S and Russia were to go to war, the two countries could literally destroy all life on the planet. 


Edited by Dalton.T.R, 24 June 2016 - 03:14 PM.


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Posted 24 June 2016 - 04:29 PM

No he doesn't just wanna target families, he wants to bomb the kitten out of ISIS, that is a direct quote. But that's no good unless their headquarters are in the desert or something. They blend in with the crowd, and they have slaves and hostages. Ntm, ISIS is a group that is spread -not gathered in one spot. Bomb one place you kill 100 people and 10 of them are terrorists..

 

US has been bombing the kitten out of terrorists(some that they trained) for decades. What good did that do? But it killed a lot of innocent blood which is unforgivable to me. So besides being a human being it is a useless and expensive thing to do.

 

But I fail to see reason behind killing familymembers of terrorists. Forget that they are actually innocent, what kind of strategy is that?


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