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[TouKen4Life3g]

Orochimaru could be the final villain and I think he has the capability to do that. I mean what's the different between orochimaru and madara. Both of them are absorber.

Neji and chouji are not need to die simply because I don't see the point of them to die, unless naruto end in part 1.

True, but if they're still in the same path as current, then that's something to think over. You made a point though.

[Nar123]

Agree about Orochimaru, disagree about Neji and Choji

 

If Kishi was a good writer he could have done something better with those characters

Edited by Nar123, 31 January 2016 - 10:39 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I agree with Orochimaru, despite his death was anticlimactic. I would disagree on others, though they don't do much later on, which is disappointing, only makes it feel like they were meant to be dead by that point. It's no different. But still, disagree with better writing.

Next one is coming.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Statement: The whole undertones of Naruto and Sasuke yaoi-like scenes are created mainly because of the attraction of the fans, more so than Kishi really wanted to write this. It's not to say he wouldn't write bromance, but the heavy tease is really made for the fans, more so than original intention.

Agree or disagree?

[VanitasDS76491]

Statement: The whole undertones of Naruto and Sasuke yaoi-like scenes are created mainly because of the attraction of the fans, more so than Kishi really wanted to write this. It's not to say he wouldn't write bromance, but the heavy tease is really made for the fans, more so than original intention.

Agree or disagree?

Can you explain to me why Narusasu is the most popular pairing in this kitten fandom no offense? Cause this continues to baffle me.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Can you explain to me why Narusasu is the most popular pairing in this kitten fandom no offense? Cause this continues to baffle me.

Because it's a fan trend. It's just the way they work. Put it this way, majority of the time, yaoi will come in #1 in a series, because that's what they do. Don't think SN is the only one, because it's just one of them. In fact, South Park even joke about this but in reality, they are very close to home. Gintama also make fun of this as well. We have the idea in USA that "sex sells." Well, in Japan, "yaoi sells."

[NeonRanger]

After the news about that "SNS" doujinshi, I agree. South Park made the joke, but looks like the message never came across, considering now a lot of shippers that never watch SP decided to become creek shippers and loyal followers. Even Adventure Time, a lot of people on Tumblr only continue to support the series because Bubbline. 

 

There is nothing wrong with supporting homosexual ships, but it reaches a point where people only care about the ship rather than plot. Which is disappointing. I have issue with LoK, but because Korrasami is canon, any critic I make is suddenly homophobic. If Makorra was canon, you would see a lot of criticism of the plot. 

 

Back to SNS, honestly, imo, had it become canon, majority of shippers would just be as blind as SS/NH. Of course you have ones that will think critically, but this whole reaction proves otherwise. 

 

That at said I agree. The fans put so much emphasis in SN to where SP decided that this is excellent queerbaiting. Turns out that they were right. A SN doujin, based on an SN fanfic, with SN VA's, with similar characterizations, being published on SN day. There not getting money, by they are definitely getting heavy SN/ Naruto promotions. 

 

Still, I won't mind a NS AU if we're smart about it. 

[Namikaze Clan]

I never really felt any romantic undertones towards Naruto and Sasuke's relationship. Not all close male friendships are a subtext towards possible homosexuality

[Bail o' Lies]

I never really felt any romantic undertones towards Naruto and Sasuke's relationship. Not all close male friendships are a subtext towards possible homosexuality

Yeah, it really was more people who want to fantasize about two young hot guys having sex then any actual feelings those characters had.

[Bail o' Lies]

Honestly look at other fandom and you will see a similar tread. They find two hot same sex characters interact for even a second, and then suddenly they are secretly gay and have loved each other for all eternity and they are destine to be together. And anyone that disagree with that is a homophobic bigot that secretly wants to commit a holocaust on all homosexuals. Even the creator writers and actors if it doesn't happen in the story. Is either blame because of their own bigotry or pressure because of the bigoted fans. Also remember SNS is not the most popular pairing in Naruto...Kakashi/Iruka is by a long shot and how many times did those two actually talk to each other in the entire series?

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 02 February 2016 - 05:33 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So...

Do you agree or disagree that this is Kishi's idea to pull the way we saw in SN (hyperventilating and all) or this is his way to please and grasp more attention?

[Namikaze Clan]

So...
Do you agree or disagree that this is Kishi's idea to pull the way we saw in SN (hyperventilating and all) or this is his way to please and grasp more attention?

Disagree with the original statement that Kishi purposely put Yaoi undertones in some of Naruto and Sasuke's interactions.

I never felt any romantic subtext to began with

[TouKen4Life3g]

It doesn't need to be romantic. Think Free!

[rocci]

Sasunaru is made up by fujoshi.
They're Female fan that known for their dedication to their same sex pairing who always gay and not lesbian.
They're subculture among shipper subculture.
They're otaku.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Sasunaru is made up by fujoshi.
They're Female fan that known for their dedication to their same sex pairing who always gay and not lesbian.
They're subculture among shipper subculture.
They're otaku.

So you disagree.

[rocci]

So you disagree.

I don't know.
Considering how tradisionalist kishi is, he will not write gay couple.
But with how much gay undertone he write the couple and how much he favor sasuke, it's not wrong too to think he intent to make gay couple.

[Bail o' Lies]

What are we disagreeing with again? Did kishi intend to make SNS a big thing romantically? No, at least not at first. What he and his original editor wanted was rivalry turns to brotherly bond. To me he kept that till the end like NS. If anyone was pushing for the scenes to be more SNS it was probably the editors that dragged down the series. Let look at the series up until yahagi left the story was focused on Naruto for the most part and his feeling towards Sasuke was one of rivalry desire to bring him back to the village and desire to become brothers. After Yahagi left the story became increasingly Sasuke and uchiha focus and kept going on how Sasuke and Naruto were destine to fight that they were two sides of the same coin that they were soul mates that they were destine to be opposites all the focus on trying to prop up itachi yada yada yada.

 

After the last and in the Bolt movie he probably was going for SNS because to be honest what was left to the series by that point? nH ending was a mistake that destroyed the reputation of the franchise, he destroyed SS with the Gaiden, he stab NS in the back with the ending and had been burning that bridge ever since. He had to make sure the Bolt movie would be a success (at least compared to the last). No one was that interested or invested in BS. So what did he have left other than SNS!?

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 03 February 2016 - 01:33 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I disagree because I do believe he wanted to do this bromance stuff, which is ok, but I think the fact he doesn't how to stretch the series and perhaps learned that SN is so popular, he decided to go all in as in innuendo scenes, hence why people keep calling them gay. It caters to fan girls, but I don't think this is his original idea. Part 1 and early 2 were acceptable. Kage Summit Arc and up got overbearing and nonsense.

Next one is coming.

[Nar123]

It's not to say he wouldn't write bromance, but the heavy tease is really made for the fans, more so than original intention.

 

Agree, the queerbaiting was too obvious

[TouKen4Life3g]

Statement: The actual downfall and no return is the start of part 2 or even end of part 1.

Agree or disagree?