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Posted 05 October 2013 - 07:57 PM

 

Itachi may have done what he did for the "sake of the village," but it negatively effected Sasuke to an extreme extent.  It's because of Itachi's manipulations that Sasuke left and went to Orochimaru, it's because of Itachi's ultimately ill-planned actions that Sasuke was nabbed by Tobito.  Yet, he's easily forgiven because "he meant well," but of course when Sakura does something  with good intentions, those intentions are ignored and she's bashed even though she means well.  It's ridiculous, combined with the gendered language used when "criticizing" Sakura, it's obvious that there's some double standard.

 

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She is very right you know, Sasuke is what he is now because of Itachi. He meant well in protecting Sasuke and making sure he survives , even if it meant to irradiate his whole clan in doing so. If asked why is Sakura bashed for what she did during the confession people would answer ''because she played with his feelings'' well, morgiane4 brought the elephant in the room , because what Itachi made was practically 1000 times worse ... Just saying.


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Posted 05 October 2013 - 08:21 PM

One other thing, I'd like to address the notion that Sakura is just on the same level as the rest of K11.  Honestly, that's pretty absurd.  At the very least, even if we never get to see her release her seal and see what that allows her to do, we know that at this point Sakura is able to summon Katsuyu who can protect her (and several thousand other people) from jutsu as strong as Shinra Tensei.  That alone places her at an advantage against most of the K11 (other than Naruto and perhaps Shikamaru the tactical genius), of course in the West we like to dismiss this as, we only consider offensive strategies as real strategies, but let's not forget that the ultimate goal of any battle is surviving/not being injured for long enough to send a defining blow.  She's not near Naruto or Sasuke's level (and I wouldn't want her to be), and she's not miles above all members of K11, but at this point she has the edge.


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Posted 05 October 2013 - 08:32 PM

I agree about the double standards, everyone. I think it's weird to see absolute fanboys/girls who love everything in Naruto, except Sakura.

 

I agree that there are ligimate reasons to dislike her, but her most of her flaws aren't unique to her character. Some say she is undeveloped, but I think each main character is undeveloped in different ways. And some say she still loves Sasuke, but so does Ino and Karin? Or that she hits Naruto, but honestly who hasn't?

 

I'm not saying all her flaws are seen elsewhere in the manga too, but we sometimes forget apply the same logic when judging the characters.


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Posted 05 October 2013 - 10:01 PM

 

Itachi may have done what he did for the "sake of the village," but it negatively effected Sasuke to an extreme extent.  It's because of Itachi's manipulations that Sasuke left and went to Orochimaru, it's because of Itachi's ultimately ill-planned actions that Sasuke was nabbed by Tobito.  Yet, he's easily forgiven because "he meant well," but of course when Sakura does something  with good intentions, those intentions are ignored and she's bashed even though she means well.  It's ridiculous, combined with the gendered language used when "criticizing" Sakura, it's obvious that there's some double standard.

I'm sorry but that's the plot and people like Itachi which includes me because he's an awesome ninja, the only double standard that happens with Sakura is that, she let her emotions get the best of her, and she does stupid things because of it even with the best of the intentions.
But Hinata also did something similar on the Pain arc where she did something stupid, she got worshipped as a godness and Sakura got bashed.

But i do understand why people hate her,because part 1 which she was a hateable character and i disliked her character back then.

I'll leave this quote.

" there are some who have despised Sakura for so long it would take something extremely ridiculous for her to impress them (and then it would be deemed an asspull) I am leaving that and their terrible arguments alone."


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Posted 05 October 2013 - 11:20 PM

One other thing, I'd like to address the notion that Sakura is just on the same level as the rest of K11.  Honestly, that's pretty absurd.  At the very least, even if we never get to see her release her seal and see what that allows her to do, we know that at this point Sakura is able to summon Katsuyu who can protect her (and several thousand other people) from jutsu as strong as Shinra Tensei.  That alone places her at an advantage against most of the K11 (other than Naruto and perhaps Shikamaru the tactical genius), of course in the West we like to dismiss this as, we only consider offensive strategies as real strategies, but let's not forget that the ultimate goal of any battle is surviving/not being injured for long enough to send a defining blow.  She's not near Naruto or Sasuke's level (and I wouldn't want her to be), and she's not miles above all members of K11, but at this point she has the edge.

I accept that she is not on the level of Sasuke and Naruto. I can accept Shikamaru if he is the new Tobirama. But it gets annoying when fans post numerous threads how Ino is way above Sakura because of her accomplishments during the war. Never mind the people who place Hinata above her.

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 01:51 AM

 

Can I ask have you ever seen the manga and or anime called "Love Hina?" Really, it seems like nobody has ever watched this one because if Sakura is "abusive" to Naruto and then what do you consider Narusegawa to Keitaro? Naruosegawa who hits Keitaro at least 5 times per episode and is not the only one...every female character seems to hit this guy on many occasions.

 

No, seriously. I have talked to many people about this. They find Sakura abusive, yet never think much of when Naru just punches Keitaro hundreds of times in one episode.

 

Well as a matter of fact I did. I liked the manga quite a bit actually. Look, the point of my rant is not saying Sakura is abusive of Naruto but to inform people that to say all female on male violence is for comedy is sexist. With an emphasis on ALL. when we laugh at all males getting hit by females we subconsciously laugh at the irony that a male is getting abused by a "so-called weaker" female and therefore is a wimp. Sure I understand it's  for laughs and that Sakura is far from the worst case, but I am just informing that women and men who just wave this stuff off as 100% comedy are insulting themselves, That's all I'm getting at. if you still miss my point I'd be happy to explain further, though I'm personally viewing my explanation as easy to understand.


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Posted 06 October 2013 - 01:55 AM

I'm sorry but that's the plot and people like Itachi which includes me because he's an awesome ninja, the only double standard that happens with Sakura is that, she let her emotions get the best of her, and she does stupid things because of it even with the best of the intentions.
But Hinata also did something similar on the Pain arc where she did something stupid, she got worshipped as a godness and Sakura got bashed.

But i do understand why people hate her,because part 1 which she was a hateable character and i disliked her character back then.

I'll leave this quote.

" there are some who have despised Sakura for so long it would take something extremely ridiculous for her to impress them (and then it would be deemed an asspull) I am leaving that and their terrible arguments alone."

 

You can like Itachi, that's besides the point, I never said that I dislike him.

 

The point you're missing is that far more people are willing to take plot, and manga facts, trust them, and give Itachi the benefit of the doubt, while those same people are often unlikely to do the same with Sakura, and will dismiss those facts when they are presented, despite the fact that the Sakura has not done anything anywhere near the level of Itachi.  The fandom is ready and willing to forget and forgive how manipulative Itachi was, but will not do the same for Sakura, despite the fact that Itachi was largely successful, and that his were extremely detrimental.  That is the double standard I'm discussing.



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 10:44 AM

Well as a matter of fact I did. I liked the manga quite a bit actually. Look, the point of my rant is not saying Sakura is abusive of Naruto but to inform people that to say all female on male violence is for comedy is sexist. With an emphasis on ALL. when we laugh at all males getting hit by females we subconsciously laugh at the irony that a male is getting abused by a "so-called weaker" female and therefore is a wimp. Sure I understand it's  for laughs and that Sakura is far from the worst case, but I am just informing that women and men who just wave this stuff off as 100% comedy are insulting themselves, That's all I'm getting at. if you still miss my point I'd be happy to explain further, though I'm personally viewing my explanation as easy to understand.

 

 

No, I get -or at least I think I do- your point. To consider abuse is good, acceptable or even funny if it is made by a female on a man it is sexist and demeaning to both, men and women.

 

It reminds me in Urusei Yatsura (by Rumiko Takahashi. Have you read Ranma, Inu Yasha or Rin-Ne? All are Takahashi works), main character Ataru prides in having never hit a girl, and everyone commenting how noble is that. Once a male character -Nagisa- was challenged to a fair fight by the girl he liked -Ryuunosuke-, but he was unable to fight seriously -much to Ryunosuke's anger- because he could not hurt the person he loved. Still, in this series girls beat -and in the instance of Lum, fry with electricity- guys they like the whole time, and nobody ever calls them on it -and often it is implied or outright stated the male got it coming. Why? Because he is male, of course!-.

 

Trouble is, I can not stop disregarding it like comedy using violence like a source of laughs because that is what it is. I can not take it seriously much like I can not take seriously violence on Tom & Jerry or the Loony Toons. It is not meant to be taken seriously. How many times has Homer throttled Bart? And nobody calls him on it because it is to be taken comedically. However, when his father told him he was an accident, it was not played out for laughs. Homer was resentful and his father remorseful (and when Marge reminded her husband he tells the same things to Bart, he replied that, when he does it, it is funny... what is the point).

 

I understand others can find it unamusing or even offensive... but it is a comedical trope in this kind of stories. If you begin to think how it would seem in a realistic setting, you also can begin to deconstruct everything on the series. And I -usually- hate deconstructions. To me, it is a matter of accepting the workings of a series or reading something else (in case of finding it stupid, unrealistic or offensive). Do not try to insert reality in something it is not intended to be realistic because it will not end up well.

 

After all, there are series where abuse is treated like a serious matter, not matter the sex of the abuser and the abused persons. In Great Teacher Onizuka, Noburu was daily abused by Anko and it was not treated like right, acceptable or funny. And she was not her girlfriend, either (coincidentally, when Anko DID fall in love with Noboru she did not hit him again, and she provided her two lackeys bothering him).

 

However, oftenn I find people condemning a tsundere character like abusive and kitteny, but exhonerating another characters who are just so much or more abusive than the characters the hate.

 

Anyway, if someone thinks Sakura is more violent than your average tsundere, I present you... Kaori Makimura from City hunter

 

http://www.mangaread...ity-hunter.html

 

I have no time to skim over and pick pages right now, but you can read the manga here (and you should. It is REALLY good). Every chapter Kaori pummels Ryo several dozens of times with one-hundred-ton mallets. Or try to drop him off a window. Or slams him against a wall. Or smashes a bed on his head. Or flattens him... literally. Or rearranges his face. Or...


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Posted 06 October 2013 - 01:47 PM

This whole thing about tsunderes, i would say that it's a matter of taste, there are people who enjoy it and there are not.

i never had any problem with Sakura acting tsundere with Naruto, however there was only one thing that bothered me and it was Kishi's drawing to that Shounen jump thing, where Sakura almost kills Naruto on that watermellon thing.

For some reason i felt really bothered and sad i never felt like this before towards any previous tsundere moments.

 

I feel that Sakura's tsundere behavior is not abusive and she always had a reason to punch Naruto which makes the scenes funny, different than Kishi's drawing who made me feel bad.

That's just my opinion on the matter.


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Posted 06 October 2013 - 02:03 PM

 

 

No, I get -or at least I think I do- your point. To consider abuse is good, acceptable or even funny if it is made by a female on a man it is sexist and demeaning to both, men and women.

 

It reminds me in Urusei Yatsura (by Rumiko Takahashi. Have you read Ranma, Inu Yasha or Rin-Ne? All are Takahashi works), main character Ataru prides in having never hit a girl, and everyone commenting how noble is that. Once a male character -Nagisa- was challenged to a fair fight by the girl he liked -Ryuunosuke-, but he was unable to fight seriously -much to Ryunosuke's anger- because he could not hurt the person he loved. Still, in this series girls beat -and in the instance of Lum, fry with electricity- guys they like the whole time, and nobody ever calls them on it -and often it is implied or outright stated the male got it coming. Why? Because he is male, of course!-.

 

Trouble is, I can not stop disregarding it like comedy using violence like a source of laughs because that is what it is. I can not take it seriously much like I can not take seriously violence on Tom & Jerry or the Loony Toons. It is not meant to be taken seriously. How many times has Homer throttled Bart? And nobody calls him on it because it is to be taken comedically. However, when his father told him he was an accident, it was not played out for laughs. Homer was resentful and his father remorseful (and when Marge reminded her husband he tells the same things to Bart, he replied that, when he does it, it is funny... what is the point).

 

I understand others can find it unamusing or even offensive... but it is a comedical trope in this kind of stories. If you begin to think how it would seem in a realistic setting, you also can begin to deconstruct everything on the series. And I -usually- hate deconstructions. To me, it is a matter of accepting the workings of a series or reading something else (in case of finding it stupid, unrealistic or offensive). Do not try to insert reality in something it is not intended to be realistic because it will not end up well.

 

After all, there are series where abuse is treated like a serious matter, not matter the sex of the abuser and the abused persons. In Great Teacher Onizuka, Noburu was daily abused by Anko and it was not treated like right, acceptable or funny. And she was not her girlfriend, either (coincidentally, when Anko DID fall in love with Noboru she did not hit him again, and she provided her two lackeys bothering him).

 

However, oftenn I find people condemning a tsundere character like abusive and kitteny, but exhonerating another characters who are just so much or more abusive than the characters the hate.

 

Anyway, if someone thinks Sakura is more violent than your average tsundere, I present you... Kaori Makimura from City hunter

 

http://www.mangaread...ity-hunter.html

 

I have no time to skim over and pick pages right now, but you can read the manga here (and you should. It is REALLY good). Every chapter Kaori pummels Ryo several dozens of times with one-hundred-ton mallets. Or try to drop him off a window. Or slams him against a wall. Or smashes a bed on his head. Or flattens him... literally. Or rearranges his face. Or...

 

Oh yes, I will and thank you for understanding my point. Although again I'm not saying to treat this seriously but to say that every moment should not be treated as comedy. I am ultimately not saying that tsunderes or slapstick are bad at all, but just trying to get people to realize this double standard here. I mean, have any of you seen a male tsundere or the like smack around his girlfriend, and have it laughed off as funny? Hmm? the last time I remembered a guy hitting a girl in Manga/anime and having it  be treated as a joke was when Goku  gave ChiChi a playful tap and had her fly out the window and even then I only found it half hilarious because they were bandaging her up up after and it clearly wasn't intentional. Can anyone list any male tsundere who is intentionally violent and cold to a girl still have his most extreme tsundere moments treated as Hilarity?    


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Posted 06 October 2013 - 05:12 PM

 I mean, have any of you seen a male tsundere or the like smack around his girlfriend, and have it laughed off as funny? Hmm?

 

 

Actually, yes, I do. Although that character is from an anime made in 1974 (and it was not aired in USA, as far as I know), so maybe it is a weak rebuttal, but the fact remains.

 

Regardless, Tetsuya Tsurugi from Great Mazinger was a tsundere. If you have watched Evangelion, the only differences between Tetsuya and Asuka is the latter has boobs and red hair. Anyway Tetsuya ocassionally hit Jun -his love interest and adoptive sister- and it was treated llike comedic. Let's think of it, Jun was also a tsundere, and when she slapped him it usually it was not treated like slapstick, but she getting angry and losing her temper because Tetsuya had said her something very offensive -or dumb. Or both-.

 

I don't remember right now more male tsunderes. And regarding non-male tsunderes hitting females in a slapstick way... Hmm...

 

It sometimes happened in Mazinger-Z/Tranzor-Z, and many of those times I thought it crossed the line and it was not funny, in spite of what the animators intended (and they altered the characters' original personalities. Manga Kouji might be somewhat jerkish sometimes, but usually he was nice and considerate, and manga Sayaka was a pretty non-violent tsundere; Anime Kouji was a big ass and a sexist, and often I asked why Sayaka did not kill him).

 

Talking again about Urusei Yatsura, in a late chapter Ryuunosuke was running from Nagisa and he hurled at barrel at her head to stop her. However, everyone -including the readers- thought Nagisa was a girl at that point (his true gender was revealed shortly after), and Ryuunosuke looked like a boy. When I read that scene I thought usually in this series the abuse is from a female to a male, and I wondered if it would be so funny if it was visually obvious that it is a boy hitting a girl with a blunt, heavy object.

 

Mm... I can not think of more examples right now. There certainly a double standard here: violence visited from a man upon a man, a woman upon a woman or a woman upon a man may be made funny, but often violence from a woman upon a man is considered unamusing and unacceptable.

 

Then again, I have found another double standards such like a male character can be an annoying, loudmouthed jerkass...and fans do not mind. But if a female character has bad temper, fans call her a b***h and scream for her head on a platter. And then you have people does not care if a male character is useless in a fight or little important plotwise, but if a female character is not the Second Coming from Xena Warrior Princess or Lara Croft, she is useless, a waste and should disappear.

 

Sadly, entertainment -and fandom- is filled with double standards, discriminating against a gender or against other. Unfortunately, often when a writer tries to avoid to be sexist against women falls into the trap of being sexist against men, and vice versa (it reminds me of a fanfic I read once. The writer pledged he was not homophobic and intended his writings reflected that. However his fics came across like offensive to gays to me despite his good intentions. You'll see, he turned ALL female characters in bisexual, even if they were straight in the original material, and wrote many scenes where the girls kissed or groped at each other. Of course, no male character did become gay or bisexual. Thus, his attempts to not be homophobic read like a yuri fanboy fantasy). It is a complicated issue...

 

It does not help the tsundere trope has suffered what in tvtropes call the bane of all trope: follow the leader plus trope decay. At the beginning, tsundere characters were characters had both a soft and a harsh side. Their different sides were intended to show they were conflicted, complex characters, and their lively temper was intended to show they were not doormats, and it made them standing out among the mass of demure, soft-spoken characters were the norm back then.

 

Or at least that was the situation in the seventies and the eighties. Later the trope began degenerating. "Conflicted character with several sides" became "abusive girl hit guys secretly loves". Before their mood shifts and reluctance to reveal her feelings were justified -usually being due to inner tensions and conflicts- and explained within the series; now they had no reason. The character had mood changes and refused talking their feelings over because... because. She is a tsundere and that is what the tsunderes do, no reason is needed. This happened because newer series played the trope with no knowledge or understanding of it, missing what did that trope good. Cause that degeneration, the erstwhile new and fresh trope became trite, shallow and open to parodies, subversions and worst of all, deconstructions.

 

Moreover, tropes go through a cycle. They are born and become popular. Then they are used, overused and abused, and people gets tired or sick from them. Then they are parodied, subverted and deconstructed. After that point, they may be forgotten or they may be rescued and made popular again -and then the cycle begins anew-.

 

Back in the seventies, tsunderes were a change from the prevalent and overused female archetypes were used back then and some people started to accuse from sexism. Now the trope has become prevalent, overused and regarded like stale and sexist. So the former female archetypes are slowly becoming popular again.


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Posted 06 October 2013 - 09:27 PM

Fair point. Still does not occur frequently though heh heh. Well anyways I acknowledge the Tsundere slapstick here and don't mind it actually despite my views (I think I've hammered it in enough). By the way on the subject of double standard, you brought up a good point. If a woman isn't a "tough as nails" badass then fans tend to not like her, So this proves my hypothesis that People bash Sakura and put Hinata on a pedestal because of how they treated Naruto as kids. I mean Hinata is not technically a "strong" woman either, if we count the manga fight scenes cause she loses usually when she's in a fight or needs a "Naruto-kun" charge to do anything so if anything she's "weaker" so to speak than Sakura. 

 

Sakura shows to be competent if fighting, as She took down an Akatsuki member and Clobbered those Juubi minions. they say Sakura had help from Chiyo, I'd counter So? Hinata needed Naruto to save her from a zetsu fodder and the key difference here is that Sakura was NOT knocked on the ground and about to be killed. they say Sakura was only good for fighting Juubi clones, I'd  say, you mean the Same Juubi clones that gave your "Moe" princess a hard time? Y'know, when she needed a Narutogasm (There's NOTHING ELSE to call it) to complete a 64 palms technique that her recently deceased cousin mastered by the age of 14? To take down 1!? Granted I'm not saying I dislike Hinata but these are counters to arguments that Sakura is useless and Hinata is some warrior goddess.


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 02:40 PM

Im not sure if this belongs in this topic but it has something to do with Naruto so im putting it here

 

so I was talking to 2 Naruto fans and I said I liked Sakura and I got bashed on the spot for no reason

 

That's really sad :/ Think of yourself as a mainstream japanese fan then, haha.

 

 

I agree about the double standards, everyone. I think it's weird to see absolute fanboys/girls who love everything in Naruto, except Sakura.

 

I agree that there are ligimate reasons to dislike her, but her most of her flaws aren't unique to her character. Some say she is undeveloped, but I think each main character is undeveloped in different ways. And some say she still loves Sasuke, but so does Ino and Karin? Or that she hits Naruto, but honestly who hasn't?

 

I'm not saying all her flaws are seen elsewhere in the manga too, but we sometimes forget apply the same logic when judging the characters.

People are more tolerant for ino's case because of her recent development, saying how ino didnt see with her eyes how much sasuke changed bla bla

 

coz sakura is just so demonized in their eyes -.-


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:00 PM

Pppfff hahahahahaha! There might be sakura haters In the west but there are also lovers, not only that but think of sakuras vast fanbase in japan and other places.

Sakura is a great heroine, I dont know why some peoplw think shes under developed compared to team 7. Thats just wrong.

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:11 PM

Pppfff hahahahahaha! There might be sakura haters In the west but there are also lovers, not only that but think of sakuras vast fanbase in japan and other places.

Sakura is a great heroine, I dont know why some peoplw think shes under developed compared to team 7. Thats just wrong.

 

The heroines always seemed to get bashed, one way or another, generally much more than male characters. The only male hero I can think of that got a lot of unjustified hate (in my opinion) was Shinji from Evangelion.

 

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 11:00 PM

The anti-Sakura has been out for years. At first she's a character you could dislike because she was being a kitten to Naruto until Kishi started developing her character. By part 2 her fanbase increase significantly. Now the only folks who don't like Sakura is because they see her part 1 attitude towards Naruto (more likely watching anime not reading the manga :down: ) although I can count only handful when she hit him in part 2 manga. Of course NH pairing! No need for explaination there... :hm: Kishi's fault of lack of further development thus being very overshadow by Naruto & Sasuke. Yet the three are stronger and weaker than each other in different ways despite many opinions!


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 11:26 PM

Now the only folks who don't like Sakura is because they see her part 1 attitude towards Naruto (more likely watching anime not reading the manga :down: ) although I can count only handful when she hit him in part 2 manga.

Woah! Hopestar, where have you been?

 

This is something I don't get, how are people blind to the building of the relationship with Sakura and Naruto in part 1? Sakura starts admiring him as a teammate and eventually looks at him as a friend through the Chunin Exams. I never get how people don't notice that.


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 11:46 PM

Ugh, I literally can't stand the Sakura hate. I was watching a Sakura video on Youtube not too long ago and the first thing I saw in the comments section was "All Sakura does is hit Naruto. She's abusive to the person she supposedly 'cares' for. And this is how she gets fans??"

 

When I saw that comment, I was just couldn't believe the level of ignorance some of these fans have. Sakura doesn't just hit Naruto, she does a lot of other things too. Like healing Hinata and saving her life. Healing Naruto after his 4-tails period. Saving Kankuro's life. Nearly dying without hesitation for Chiyo by getting stabbed. How she helped take down Sasori. Just ... seriously?   :facepalm: They act like all she does is hit and she doesn't. Besides, Sakura hasn't been a b**ch in a long time now. She's usually very polite and kind to people, so what if she's a little short-tempered? Never mind the fact that Sakura doesn't hit Naruto nearly as much in the manga as she does in the anime.

 

Honestly, I think the Sakura hate would be less if she wasn't the girl Naruto loved. All the haters can deny Naruto's feelings as much as they want, but when it comes right down to it, their only reason for doing so is because they believe "Naruto deserves better", not that they think he doesn't love her. And that brings in Hinata, the polar opposite of Sakura who is also tied into this romantically somewhere. She's so different than Sakura (complete with the sympathetic backstory), you get people fawning over Hinata and saying Naruto deserves her. Of course most of the fans are Hinata fans, but that doesn't mean I haven't seen a lot of people say this.

 

It's all basically a recipe for disaster for Sakura in the fandom. There was never no getting away from it. -_-


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 12:51 AM

Nope..... there would be less Sakura hate if if she was a "childhood saint" like Hinata who's supposed to be in love with Naruto from the get-go and never question him or have slapstick with him. A "trophy wife" so to speak. Not saying that is Sakura's fault at all or that she should change, but that is the typical mindset of those that bash her and Praise Hinata to the heavens. If it was bashing Sakura simply because they don't like her then it's for other reasons I'm sure, though those are harder to pin. Let them hate though, cause I LOVE Sakura and am not afraid to show it.  :D  


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 08:52 PM

 

Well as a matter of fact I did. I liked the manga quite a bit actually. Look, the point of my rant is not saying Sakura is abusive of Naruto but to inform people that to say all female on male violence is for comedy is sexist. With an emphasis on ALL. when we laugh at all males getting hit by females we subconsciously laugh at the irony that a male is getting abused by a "so-called weaker" female and therefore is a wimp. Sure I understand it's  for laughs and that Sakura is far from the worst case, but I am just informing that women and men who just wave this stuff off as 100% comedy are insulting themselves, That's all I'm getting at. if you still miss my point I'd be happy to explain further, though I'm personally viewing my explanation as easy to understand.

 

Bolded: lol. Okay, I have to laugh at this one. You say you don't like it when Sakura hits Naruto and claim about equality, but you like Love Hina which cranks that sort of violence up to 11 to the power of 5? It kind of doesn't help set a good image when trying to debate. That's like saying "I hate guns, they should be banned," but then people see me go to the shooting range every saturday.

 

No, I got your point quite clear, but the problem with this logic is is that if you think men and woman should be equal then do men have the right to hit women when they do something wrong? Many say no. I am sure you will probably tell me that "No one should hit anyone," but unfortunately that's not how it works. Sadly, this world never sees the third option. I do want to point out though that in the manga when Sakura hits Naruto he kind of deserves it...most of the time. Usually, he does something childish or inappropriate that warrants a smack to the face, unlike Naru who kind of just hits Keitaro at times for the sake of hitting and a few moments at that where she hit him even though it was her fault to begin with. Like the times she hit him out of fits of jealousy. Actually, now that I think about it the only hit that really was warranted was the last one she did with head butted him out of embarrassment.

 

Kaze No Stigma is actually one where I see the guy hit the girl more often because she does something stupid. Is this just as inappropriate? 

 

The sad truth is is that if woman were treated on the same caliber as men...things would be a lot worse for woman. I am not saying that woman are weak, but rather they are different. Our biology is different and sometimes men can handle things that woman cannot and vice-versa. Like how can woman say the greatest pain is childbirth, but think that a punch in the face hurts more? Woman can be fighters too and at times they can throw some punches that even men get taken back from. However, I think men on average are built tougher than woman in terms of biology structure.

 

Nope..... there would be less Sakura hate if if she was a "childhood saint" like Hinata who's supposed to be in love with Naruto from the get-go and never question him or have slapstick with him. A "trophy wife" so to speak. Not saying that is Sakura's fault at all or that she should change, but that is the typical mindset of those that bash her and Praise Hinata to the heavens. If it was bashing Sakura simply because they don't like her then it's for other reasons I'm sure, though those are harder to pin. Let them hate though, cause I LOVE Sakura and am not afraid to show it.  :D  

 

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