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[VanitasDS76491]

Yeah, the multi-quoting of the current page will stay when you want to go to another page :)

Thanks plus I usually can't find one or more quotes to response to.

[ultranx]

If they do not have any rights to the Dragonball franchise? Why are all the Dragonball spin off mangas published in Shueishas' magazines? Such as Dragonball SD that started in 2010 in Saikyo Jump another magazine own by Shueisha. Also the Dragonball Super manga is published in Shueisha monthly magazine V-Jump. 

 

Also I check the dragonball website copyright for the US at least Funimation have licencing right until 2023. It currently 2016. They still have 7 years at least left in the US before they have to renew it. But that is licencing rights for Funimation not actual copyrights as far as I know. Now since I can't navigate the Japanese google to try and find out the Japanese copyrights. So instead I looked when the manga ended in Japan. It ended on June 5th of 1995 which meant that the copyright if the same for Japan would have ended in June 5th of 2015. That is a mere fifteen days before Dragonball Super aired on June 20, 2015. Do you honestly believe that the executives in Shueisha would let that slip out from under their grasps? Also that means both movies fell under the copyright, even if they did not renew it.

 

Akira Toriyama is the creator, Shueisha owns the right to published the manga, Toei owns the rights to the anime, Bandai Namco owns the right to the video games, Funimation has licensing right in the US for the anime and I believe the games, and Viz has the rights for distributing the manga in the US. As far as I understand it.

 

http://www.dragonbal.../copyright.aspx

they don't own the rights at all, toriyama does, dragon ball sd was done by toriyama, the dragon ball super manga is done by someone else under toriyama's supervision just like the anime, the jump executives literally have no say in what happens in dragon ball anymore, they literally have no say in dragon ball super because toei is completely separate from them, they aren't as dumb as sp, why do you think they try to milk the cash cow naruto so bad? because they need something to make up for losing out on all that money from dragon ball, come on dude....

 

one small problem with your comment, rights to publish the manga in a magazine only apply to the magazine it is being published in, not every single one of them, and all the magazines are not run by the same executives, the shonen jump ones do not run everything, my point stands, honestly I don't know why you've got it twisted like the entire company of shueisha is responsible for nardo.....

Edited by ultranx, 27 November 2016 - 10:37 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

they don't own the rights at all, toriyama does, dragon ball sd was done by toriyama, the dragon ball super manga is done by someone else under toriyama's supervision just like the anime, the jump executives literally have no say in what happens in dragon ball anymore, they literally have no say in dragon ball super because toei is completely separate from them, they aren't as dumb as sp, why do you think they try to milk the cash cow naruto so bad? because they need something to make up for losing out on all that money from dragon ball, come on dude....

 

one small problem with your comment, rights to publish the manga in a magazine only apply to the magazine it is being published in, not every single one of them, and all the magazines are not run by the same executives, the shonen jump ones do not run everything, my point stands, honestly I don't know why you've got it twisted like the entire company of shueisha is responsible for nardo.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shueisha

 

Shounen Jump is not it's own individual company it is a magazine owned and published by Shueisha. The highest executive in a magazine is the Editor-in-Chief who job is to manage the magazine and report to the owners of the magazine. So The editor-in-chief of Weekly Shounen Jump Yoshihisa Heishi reports to Shueisha's board of directors. Shonen Jump does not own the rights to Dragonball or the right to publish the manga that's Shueisha.

 

Toriyama can decided whether or not to make a Dragonball manga either by himself or supervise and have someone else do it. But it is Shueisha who has the right to publish it. When a person creates something under a company like a book a game or a movie it is the company that owns it. It's like that person who made Castlevania, who had to create a spiritual successor to Castlevania by kickstarter instead of just making another Castlevania game. Because Konami own the right to publish Castlevania games, and if he tried to make a Castlevania game without their approval Konami could sue him. Same with Toriyama with Dragonball. Same with Oda with One Piece. Same with Kishimoto With Naruto. If Kishimoto tried to publish a new Naruto manga outside of a magazine owned by Shueisha they could sue him for it. The same thing would happen if Toriyama or Oda tried as well.

 

Now again Toriyama has the right to create a dragonball manga or not. But it is Shueisha who owns the right to publish it, while Toei has the right to create the anime.

 

Now then just in case you still don't get that Shueisha owns the rights not Weekly Shonen Jump: 

 

"Dragon Ball © 2003 BIRD STUDIO/SHUEISHA, TOEI ANIMATION. Licensed by FUNimation® Productions, Ltd. All Rights Reserved. Dragon Ball and all logos, character names and distinctive likenesses thereof are trademarks of TOEI ANIMATION."

 

This is the licensing right Funimation has. Granted for the anime mind you which fall more under Toei but I don't want to look for Viz rights at the moment. Notice that Shonen Jump is not there despite this being within the 20 year period you mention but what is? "Bird Studio/Shueisha." Bird Studio is Toriyama's Studio. Now then what is it connected to? Shueisha. What does Shueisha own? Magazines such as: "Weekly Shōnen Jump, Weekly Young Jump, Non-no, Cookie, Weekly Playboy, Ribon, V-Jump, Jump Square, and Ultra Jump." Where was Dragonball published Weekly Shonen Jump, and where is Dragonball Super being published V-Jump. Both owned by Shueisha. Who owns the rights to publish Dragonball mangas.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 27 November 2016 - 07:21 PM.

[ultranx]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shueisha

 

Shounen Jump is not it's own individual company it is a magazine owned and published by Shueisha. The highest executive in a magazine is the Editor-in-Chief who job is to manage the magazine and report to the owners of the magazine. So The editor-in-chief of Weekly Shounen Jump Yoshihisa Heishi reports to Shueisha's board of directors. Shonen Jump does not own the rights to Dragonball or the right to publish the manga that's Shueisha.

 

Toriyama can decided whether or not to make a Dragonball manga either by himself or supervise and have someone else do it. But it is Shueisha who has the right to publish it. When a person creates something under a company like a book a game or a movie it is the company that owns it. It's like that person who made Castlevania, who had to create a spiritual successor to Castlevania by kickstarter instead of just making another Castlevania game. Because Konami own the right to publish Castlevania games, and if he tried to make a Castlevania game without their approval Konami could sue him. Same with Toriyama with Dragonball. Same with Oda with One Piece. Same with Kishimoto With Naruto. If Kishimoto tried to publish a new Naruto manga outside of a magazine owned by Shueisha they could sue him for it. The same thing would happen if Toriyama or Oda tried as well.

 

Now again Toriyama has the right to create a dragonball manga or not. But it is Shueisha who owns the right to publish it, while Toei has the right to create the anime.

 

Now then just in case you still don't get that Shueisha owns the rights not Weekly Shonen Jump: 

 

"Dragon Ball © 2003 BIRD STUDIO/SHUEISHA, TOEI ANIMATION. Licensed by FUNimation® Productions, Ltd. All Rights Reserved. Dragon Ball and all logos, character names and distinctive likenesses thereof are trademarks of TOEI ANIMATION."

 

This is the licensing right Funimation has. Granted for the anime mind you which fall more under Toei but I don't want to look for Viz rights at the moment. Notice that Shonen Jump is not there despite this being within the 20 year period you mention but what is? "Bird Studio/Shueisha." Bird Studio is Toriyama's Studio. Now then what is it connected to? Shueisha. What does Shueisha own? Magazines such as: "Weekly Shōnen Jump, Weekly Young Jump, Non-no, Cookie, Weekly Playboy, Ribon, V-Jump, Jump Square, and Ultra Jump." Where was Dragonball published Weekly Shonen Jump, and where is Dragonball Super being published V-Jump. Both owned by Shueisha. Who owns the rights to publish Dragonball mangas.

my point stands, the nardo executives have no say in what goes on in dragon ball nor do they make all the money off it, hence why they're trying so hard to replicate it with naruto and failing. and it doesn't matter what rights they have to publish dragon ball manga, toriyama has to agree to it, he is no longer in a contract with them. the entirety of shueisha does not make up the executives of shonen jump, which apparently you are not understanding, different magazines have different offices and departments with their own executives, one magazine's executives doing the stupid stuff with naruto doesn't mean the entire company is run by those morons. 

also problem with your license lasting til 2015  argument, the license didn't begin post manga, IT BEGAN WITH THE MANGA, IN 1984.

what is 2016 - 1984 hmm? 32 years, the license lasts 20 years, their license expired 12 years ago dude,

in 2004,  please get your facts straight before posting stuff like that.

they have rights to it to publish it yes, but they have no contract on toriyama therefore they have no say in what goes on in the movies or db super and they don't get any money from it for their company, they only get the money when manga is being published for it, which is why they rely on milking nardo. sure, they get some money from the products being sold possibly, but not enough to profit, hence why they need nardo.

Edited by ultranx, 28 November 2016 - 04:59 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

my point stands, the nardo executives have no say in what goes on in dragon ball nor do they make all the money off it, hence why they're trying so hard to replicate it with naruto and failing. and it doesn't matter what rights they have to publish dragon ball manga, toriyama has to agree to it, he is no longer in a contract with them. the entirety of shueisha does not make up the executives of shonen jump, which apparently you are not understanding, different magazines have different offices and departments with their own executives, one magazine's executives doing the stupid stuff with naruto doesn't mean the entire company is run by those morons. 

also problem with your license lasting til 2015  argument, the license didn't begin post manga, IT BEGAN WITH THE MANGA, IN 1984.

what is 2016 - 1984 hmm? 32 years, the license lasts 20 years, their license expired 12 years ago dude,

in 2004,  please get your facts straight before posting stuff like that.

they have rights to it to publish it yes, but they have no contract on toriyama therefore they have no say in what goes on in the movies or db super and they don't get any money from it for their company, they only get the money when manga is being published for it, which is why they rely on milking nardo. sure, they get some money from the products being sold possibly, but not enough to profit, hence why they need nardo.

First off the standard of copyrights laws you are using are American copyright laws not Japan's. Second copyright laws were changed in the US because of Disney. Third I got the licensing copyrights from the dragonball website which say Funimation got in 2003, since one would need to buy the rights to licensing before they can start dubbing the anime. Fourth that copyright expiring thing (if Japan's copyright is the same as the US) would start once they stop producing the manga not when they start so that would be when the manga ended in 1995. Fifth even if that were the case any spin off manga in the Dragonball franchise would renew it such as Dragonball SD or Dragonball Super manga. Or are you telling me that Shueisha has only 3 years before all their rights to Naruto including Boruto expire? And all their rights to One Piece expires next year? Hey guys big news!!! One Piece is canceling next year because the copyright will expire and they no longer have the rights to produce the manga!!! Sixth judging by Bird Studio/Shueisha in (...what the word for it eh let got with) "Line Listing Copyrights Holders" including as recently as Xenoverse 2, most likely means that Toriyama's production company is most likely owned by Shueisha as well.

 

Finally if you notice my posts that been answering your responses have been focusing on Shueisha copyrights to Dragonball not on anything involving Naruto. The reason for that is in the post that started all this I said:  "But that's are best international seller (this is long before My hero academy, One punch man, or even The New Dragonball movies or anything like that came out or gain popularity)!!!"  My thought were based on since Naruto was their big international seller was ending the executives would get involved. Maybe they did. Maybe they didn't. The important bit was that the Dragonball movie success, and restarting the Dragonball anime was not yet fully formed when kishimoto was deciding to end Naruto. The same with the success of all the manga that started to hit their stride after Naruto ended. So the decision making happening at the time was to maximize the profits of the Naruto ending and then make a sequel to continue making profits off of the Naruto franchise. Since as far as they knew that was their big seller internationally, and didn't have anything at the time to replace it. Now then if they don't own the rights to Dragonball in any way shape or form then them in this line doesn't matter, here for you: "But that's are best international seller (this is long before My hero academy, One punch man, or even The New Dragonball movies or anything like that came out or gain popularity)!!!" Because if they don't get any profits from Dragonball then it doesn't matter to my post. Ignore it. And more importantly Naruto is basically dead by this point only the otaku, foreign nH fans, and China are barely keeping it afloat. Shonen Jump have been trying to find a replacement for themselves since Naruto flopped. They from what I understand are currently hoping My hero academy takes up the mantel. But that's Shonen Jump, Shueisha on the other-hand is still making profits off of Dragonnball because at the very least they still own the manga publishing right. If not the right to Dragonball itself.

 

Now I will tell you something personal about myself. One of my grandfather was an engineer. He made several patents while working for a company. Now then according to your logic since it been well over 20 years, so those patents should fall back into my families hands. According to your logic. Now, what really happened was the company he work for paid for those patents by giving him a raise. Also since he worked for them. They own the copyrights to the patents not my grandfather nor anyone else in my family. The same thing most likely happened to Toriyama or any other mangaka. They give the copyrights of their manga to Shueisha (who then dole out the rights to make games, anime, or, figurines to other companies), and they get a job that pays their bills.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 28 November 2016 - 10:05 AM.

[ultranx]

First off the standard of copyrights laws you are using are American copyright laws not Japan's. Second copyright laws were changed in the US because of Disney. Third I got the licensing copyrights from the dragonball website which say Funimation got in 2003, since one would need to buy the rights to licensing before they can start dubbing the anime. Fourth that copyright expiring thing (if Japan's copyright is the same as the US) would start once they stop producing the manga not when they start so that would be when the manga ended in 1995. Fifth even if that were the case any spin off manga in the Dragonball franchise would renew it such as Dragonball SD or Dragonball Super manga. Or are you telling me that Shueisha has only 3 years before all their rights to Naruto including Boruto expire? And all their rights to One Piece expires next year? Hey guys big news!!! One Piece is canceling next year because the copyright will expire and they no longer have the rights to produce the manga!!! Sixth judging by Bird Studio/Shueisha in (...what the word for it eh let got with) "Line Listing Copyrights Holders" including as recently as Xenoverse 2, most likely means that Toriyama's production company is most likely owned by Shueisha as well.

 

Finally if you notice my posts that been answering your responses have been focusing on Shueisha copyrights to Dragonball not on anything involving Naruto. The reason for that is in the post that started all this I said:  "But that's are best international seller (this is long before My hero academy, One punch man, or even The New Dragonball movies or anything like that came out or gain popularity)!!!"  My thought were based on since Naruto was their big international seller was ending the executives would get involved. Maybe they did. Maybe they didn't. The important bit was that the Dragonball movie success, and restarting the Dragonball anime was not yet fully formed when kishimoto was deciding to end Naruto. The same with the success of all the manga that started to hit their stride after Naruto ended. So the decision making happening at the time was to maximize the profits of the Naruto ending and then make a sequel to continue making profits off of the Naruto franchise. Since as far as they knew that was their big seller internationally, and didn't have anything at the time to replace it. Now then if they don't own the rights to Dragonball in any way shape or form then them in this line doesn't matter, here for you: "But that's are best international seller (this is long before My hero academy, One punch man, or even The New Dragonball movies or anything like that came out or gain popularity)!!!" Because if they don't get any profits from Dragonball then it doesn't matter to my post. Ignore it. And more importantly Naruto is basically dead by this point only the otaku, foreign nH fans, and China are barely keeping it afloat. Shonen Jump have been trying to find a replacement for themselves since Naruto flopped. They from what I understand are currently hoping My hero academy takes up the mantel. But that's Shonen Jump, Shueisha on the other-hand is still making profits off of Dragonnball because at the very least they still own the manga publishing right. If not the right to Dragonball itself.

 

Now I will tell you something personal about myself. One of my grandfather was an engineer. He made several patents while working for a company. Now then according to your logic since it been well over 20 years, so those patents should fall back into my families hands. According to your logic. Now, what really happened was the company he work for paid for those patents by giving him a raise. Also since he worked for them. They own the copyrights to the patents not my grandfather nor anyone else in my family. The same thing most likely happened to Toriyama or any other mangaka. They give the copyrights of their manga to Shueisha (who then dole out the rights to make games, anime, or, figurines to other companies), and they get a job that pays their bills.

my point is, its nonsensical to act like those nardo executives even have a say in dragon ball super at all or to act like those executives equal the executives running the whole company. and also that's not how copyright licenses work when expiring, they still have some rights to it but don't have full control of it, and it only expires after the 20 year period if you don't do anything with the property to keep it, explain to me how losing the rights to one piece even remotely makes sense when its still ongoing? I'm talking a series like dragon ball that has been long finished. dragon ball sd was just a short spinoff story by toriyama, that doesn't even remotely equal them retaining the rights to publishing all dragon ball manga, they'd still need the okay from toriyama to do any of it, which you don't seem to get. when I'm talking licensing expiring, I'm mainly talking all the stuff in their license to have complete control over dragon ball and their contract over toriyama, both of which have long expired, toriyama has way more creative freedom than kishiot. doesn't matter if they have the right to publish dragon ball manga, they can't do it unless they get permission from toriyama or someone he trusts.

Edited by ultranx, 28 November 2016 - 10:34 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

my point is, its nonsensical to act like those nardo executives even have a say in dragon ball super at all or to act like those executives equal the executives running the whole company. and also that's not how copyright licenses work when expiring, they still have some rights to it but don't have full control of it, and it only expires after the 20 year period if you don't do anything with the property to keep it, explain to me how losing the rights to one piece even remotely makes sense when its still ongoing? I'm talking a series like dragon ball that has been long finished. dragon ball sd was just a short spinoff story by toriyama, that doesn't even remotely equal them retaining the rights to publishing all dragon ball manga, they'd still need the okay from toriyama to do any of it, which you don't seem to get. when I'm talking licensing expiring, I'm mainly talking all the stuff in their license to have complete control over dragon ball and their contract over toriyama, both of which have long expired, toriyama has way more creative freedom than kishiot. doesn't matter if they have the right to publish dragon ball manga, they can't do it unless they get permission from toriyama or someone he trusts.

Look, I understand you watched Dragonball when you were a kid and fell in love with it. You constantly bring it up and put it on a pedestal in your posts. I on the other-hand normally use it as an example because most anime fan (ie everyone on this site) has at least heard of Dragonball. So when I brought up Naruto and Dragonball in the same post about executive meddling you freak out. This is because you are terrified since you are imaging the pure perfect flawless god-given gift that is Dragonball being touch by those evil evil people involved in Naruto's ending debacle. Then again both of their success did involve a huge amount of editorial advice given to the mangaka.

 

Now again: are the American copyright standards the same as the Japanese ones? 

 

"it only expires after the 20 year period if you don't do anything with the property to keep it" Do you honestly believe they have done nothing to keep the Dragonball rights since it ended in 1995? Even if it was just re-releasing the manga volumes? If that weren't the case why are they still allowed to sell the dragonball manga?

 

"explain to me how losing the rights to one piece even remotely makes sense when its still ongoing?" Oh that's because when I brought up the Dragonball manga ended in 1995 and would only have had expired a few weeks before Dragonball Super started in 2015.1995+20=2015. Then brought up the obvious question of; "Do you really think they would let those profits slip from their grasp?" You responded with:"also problem with your license lasting til 2015  argument, the license didn't begin post manga, IT BEGAN WITH THE MANGA, IN 1984." So in order for your argument to work copyright have to only count when you start something not when you finished or as its ongoing. So according you Shueisha loses the right to publish One Piece in July of Next Year. 1997+20=2017. Clearly, this is not the case.

 

"dragon ball sd was just a short spinoff story by toriyama," Yes, Naho Ooishi did started a SD spin off of Dragonball in 2010. Which is ongoing apparently. He also did "Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!!," 2009, "Dragon Ball: Episode of Bardock," 2011, and "Battle of Gods SD," 2013. In Shueisha owned magazines. Apparently to you, none of these count as using the license. Toriyama started the Dragonball super manga last year also in a Shueisha owned magazine. Apparently that also still does not count as using the license. Also apparently other artist are allowed to make Dragonball material as long as they have approval and work at Shueisha.

 

Now then. Yes, Toriyama has creative freedom. The same creative freedom Kishimoto and Oda and all other mangaka working under Shueisha have. The executive are not going to get involved in every little manga that's the editors job. What I'm saying it that Shueisha may have taken some interest in what was their biggest international seller when it was ending. Telling the staff at Weekly Shonen Jump to one) maximize profits from its ending and two) make a sequel if possible. But at the end of the day it is Shueisha that owns the magazines and all the manga publish within those magazines.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 28 November 2016 - 04:03 PM.

[ultranx]

Look, I understand you watched Dragonball when you were a kid and fell in love with it. You constantly bring it up and put it on a pedestal in your posts. I on the other-hand normally use it as an example because most anime fan (ie everyone on this site) has at least heard of Dragonball. So when I brought up Naruto and Dragonball in the same post about executive meddling you freak out. This is because you are terrified since you are imaging the pure perfect flawless god-given gift that is Dragonball being touch by those evil evil people involved in Naruto's ending debacle. Then again both of their success did involve a huge amount of editorial advice given to the mangaka.

 

Now again: are the American copyright standards the same as the Japanese ones? 

 

"it only expires after the 20 year period if you don't do anything with the property to keep it" Do you honestly believe they have done nothing to keep the Dragonball rights since it ended in 1995? Even if it was just re-releasing the manga volumes? If that weren't the case why are they still allowed to sell the dragonball manga?

 

"explain to me how losing the rights to one piece even remotely makes sense when its still ongoing?" Oh that's because when I brought up the Dragonball manga ended in 1995 and would only have had expired a few weeks before Dragonball Super started in 2015.1995+20=2015. Then brought up the obvious question of; "Do you really think they would let those profits slip from their grasp?" You responded with:"also problem with your license lasting til 2015  argument, the license didn't begin post manga, IT BEGAN WITH THE MANGA, IN 1984." So in order for your argument to work copyright have to only count when you start something not when you finished or as its ongoing. So according you Shueisha loses the right to publish One Piece in July of Next Year. 1997+20=2017. Clearly, this is not the case.

 

"dragon ball sd was just a short spinoff story by toriyama," Yes, Naho Ooishi did started a SD spin off of Dragonball in 2010. Which is ongoing apparently. He also did "Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!!," 2009, "Dragon Ball: Episode of Bardock," 2011, and "Battle of Gods SD," 2013. In Shueisha owned magazines. Apparently to you, none of these count as using the license. Toriyama started the Dragonball super manga last year also in a Shueisha owned magazine. Apparently that also still does not count as using the license. Also apparently other artist are allowed to make Dragonball material as long as they have approval and work at Shueisha.

 

Now then. Yes, Toriyama has creative freedom. The same creative freedom Kishimoto and Oda and all other mangaka working under Shueisha have. The executive are not going to get involved in every little manga that's the editors job. What I'm saying it that Shueisha may have taken some interest in what was their biggest international seller when it was ending. Telling the staff at Weekly Shonen Jump to one) maximize profits from its ending and two) make a sequel if possible. But at the end of the day it is Shueisha that owns the magazines and all the manga publish within those magazines.

when I say do something to keep the property, I mean as in make new content to not lose the rights to it. do you know why nintendo for example hammers down fangames so much? because if they don't defend their copyright at all or continue to make content for it the judges will be like "well you didn't do anything to hold onto the license, your rights are revoked" and I'm not kidding, that's literally how japan copyright works, people went in great detail about it over the whole pokemon uranium fiasco, even lawyers getting involved in the discussions. tell me how it makes sense for them to lose the copyright to one piece? it is still ongoing is it not? they are still making content for it are they not? therefore their license for it will not expire. why don't you actually research japan copyright before twisting my replies around like this, japan is not more lenient than america, in fact they have the most strict copyright laws in the world, don't do anything to retain the license like defending it or making new content? bam you lose the copyright. so you're telling me selling manga volumes = retaining rights to control over dragon ball? no, even then they'd need permission from toriyama, toriyama is no longer in a contract with them, he doesn't need to listen to a word they say, why do you think users here were hoping that 20 years from now kishiot would not be in a contract with them and do what he wants before the nardo crap started getting worse and worse? because they knew how mangakas and their lifestyles and contracts work, which apparently you do not.

 

and really? "This is because you are terrified since you are imaging the pure perfect flawless god-given gift that is Dragonball being touch by those evil evil people involved in Naruto's ending debacle"

the nardo executives you hate so much are only part of shonen jump, each one magazine has its own office and department with its own executives, they don't make up an entire company, next you'll be saying that multiple news stations here in america owned by the same company are run by the same executives and staff, guess what? THEY AREN'T.  the same people who do a newspaper do not do every single magazine by the same company, they are all done by different departments and offices run by different executives and staff trained in that work. since you seem to be such a knowitall, lets look at all these spinoffs and manga and see if any of them are in shonen jump hmm?

dragon ball sd: Saikyō Jump, dragon ball super manga: v jump,

dragon ball heroes manga spinoffs: v jump

who gives a crap if the company has rights to publish dragon ball, that doesn't mean the nardo executives do, they aren't the heads of the company just executives and editors of one magazine!!

the company still retains some rights but the magazine and the heads of it and anyone who originally made money off of dragon ball in its original run do not,

so no, the nardo executives do not have involvement with dragon ball.

now I'm done with this discussion.

Edited by ultranx, 29 November 2016 - 05:14 AM.

[Frankie]

This escalated rather pointlessly.

Edited by Frankie, 30 November 2016 - 12:17 AM.

[T XD]

This escalated rather pointlessly.

Own Point Across War

[TouKen4Life3g]

Kishimoto is set to announce something at Jump Festa. Possibly his next work.

[Phantom_999]

My problem with that is he can't write. if the writing went through the wringer with Naruto just because Yahagi left that means he can't do manga without a good writer. Now I know Yahagi is the editor for this one, but still I no longer care what comes out of Masashi Kishimoto's head. He couldn't stand up for the integrity of his work, which goes to show how far any series he makes series will actually go, should Yahagi leave him to fend for himself again.

Edited by Phantom_999, 20 February 2017 - 08:40 PM.

[rikakim94]

My problem with that is he can't write. if the writing went through the wringer with Naruto just because Yahagi left that means he can't do manga without a good writer. Now I know Yahagi is the editor for this one, but still I longer care what comes out of Masashi Kishimoto's head. He couldn't stand up for the integrity of his work, which goes to show how far any series he makes series will actually go, should Yahagi leave him to fend for himself again.

 

Actually kishimoto showed his new manga idea to yahagi he is working with another editor for the new manga. He didn't even tell about his new manga idea to his new editor.

 

if Kishi cannot trust himself with his manga then no one will thats not a good sign.

Edited by rikakim94, 17 December 2016 - 02:59 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Actually kishimoto showed his new manga idea to yahagi he is working with another editor for the new manga. He didn't even tell about his new manga idea to his new editor.

 

if Kishi cannot trust himself with his manga then no one will thats not a good sign.

After the last few years it would not surprising if kishimoto lost confidence in his abilities as a mangaka. So checking the story out with the guy that help make his previous manga the international success isn't a bad idea, and if the editor he will have is or is not a editor the was involved with the whole forcing nH to happened. If they were, I'm surprise he kept them on. If they weren't, (and are a new editor) then he still doesn't trust them as much as he probably does yahagi. Who he worked together with for about ten years.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Boruto anime confirmed for 2017.


Hey, I got to deal with Trump, I don't need another.

But seriously, what a shocker. Eh. Sorry, Twin Stars Exorcist. Pierrot wants to only push the greatest cash cow.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Oh sweet Jesus....

 

Naruto Live Action Hollywood Movie is happening. Director: Michael Gracey. Some guy...Kishimoto is behind it, but since art isn't needed, it leaves to writing. Yeah...We got DBE sequel in works.................

 

 

[Namikaze Clan]

I mean an anime adaptation was pretty much a given. There were going to run out of novels eventually

[Bail o' Lies]

I mean an anime adaptation was pretty much a given. There were going to run out of novels eventually

Pretty much, but they didn't do all the novels yet even in the filler they are planning?

 

DBE? According to just a quick google search the movie is being produced by Lion's Gate. It does make sense they are still doing a movie. In theory, they still believe that there is a huge international fanbase that once existed. They may be hoping that a live action movie will garner more attention for the west then the two animated movies did. Therefor bring those old fans that didn't pay attention to the animated moves back into the fold or gain new ones. The problem for them is these types of adaptations are hit or miss at best.

 

http://www.franchise...ction-movie.htm

 

"And while Lionsgate is reportedly gearing up for the "Naruto" live-action movie, creator Masashi Kishimoto on the other hand, has announced that he's working on a new sci-fi manga series after the retirement of the "Naruto" manga.

In a press conference held by Otaku Art, Kishimoto made the announcement about his new project."

 

Also it isn't kishimoto, he done with Naruto for the most part. Unless confirmed he is writing it.  From what I recall this was planed very early on after Naruto ended before the backlash seriously happened. He probably just approved around that time, but he has moved on and other people are working on it. Beyond that he "acted" as editor for bolt for it first year while planning out his new manga.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 17 December 2016 - 08:55 AM.

[rikakim94]

After the last few years it would not surprising if kishimoto lost confidence in his abilities as a mangaka. So checking the story out with the guy that help make his previous manga the international success isn't a bad idea, and if the editor he will have is or is not a editor the was involved with the whole forcing nH to happened. If they were, I'm surprise he kept them on. If they weren't, (and are a new editor) then he still doesn't trust them as much as he probably does yahagi. Who he worked together with for about ten years.

 

Im not surprised about that ether but its still not a good sign. He is too dependent on someone else for help, At best i could see him making another average manga with yahagi involved. With someone else it depends on the editor if there good or not if there not good the manga will be mediocre at best. 

Edited by rikakim94, 17 December 2016 - 01:55 PM.

[LuckyChi7]

Hmm okay so the anime for Boruto I had a feeling that was going to be a thing so it doesn't really surprise me.   

 

As for Kishi's next manga, i'm curious i'll say that, just to see what's like. I'm just entirely neutral when it comes to that particular subject.

 

 

The live action movie however i know for a fact will probably suck given Dragon ball Evolution and The Last Airbender... though and Ria brought up something that got me wondering for a bit.. How would you guys feel if in the live action NaruSaku happened? Don't worry I'm not holding out on hope for that to happen, but it be interesting if it did...  However, as for KIshi being involved with the movie i'm not sure what to feel about it.

 

 

HMm I'll probaby do a video for these topics on my channel.