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Posted 09 September 2017 - 03:21 PM

It still lives in my Chris Lynheart book series and Mages of the North series, and I'm writing a big crossover of my book and Naruto on Fanfiction.net. 

 

It never really died for me. 



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Posted 09 September 2017 - 08:28 PM

 

NH was planned from the beginning because the Author said it was. That's literally the source of that. I am literally just showing moments where the Author showcases the intention that this is the ultimate plan of his.

I'm not going to argue on the interview part cause we've been through it several times. But, I will say as I always do that it's your opinion on the intention of the ultimate plan part.



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Posted 09 September 2017 - 08:52 PM

 

NH was planned from the beginning because the Author said it was. That's literally the source of that. I am literally just showing moments where the Author showcases the intention that this is the ultimate plan of his.

 

 

 

 

 

People are free to hate a fictional character. But some of this is just lies. I will be very specific and just call those out, and ignore the rest.

 

1: -Hinata practically commited suicide and endangered herself and all the flipping village just to confess to her crush, even though everyone else was reasonable and undestanding enough to let him handle it (funny how then she remembers she had the byakugan then, but she has to be TOLD to use it in the war arc, huh?)

 

This is not at all why Hinata jumped in, she jumped in to save him. Her feelings are not a crush, she only revealed her love for him because he asked why. Naruto was defeated, down in despair, had she not jumped in, it would have been over. Naruto himself credits Hinata for saving her. (She did not know where to look, and one is exhausted in battle as counterpoints for your parenthesis remark). 

 

2: -Hinata doesn't give a flying f about her own children, the moment she saw Naruto was in danger she lefts them alone in order to go "help" him, even if she can't do anything about it, she also never confronts Naruto about his neglect of their family

 

Naruto isn't "neglecting" his family, he is overworked. Naruto shielded Boruto and Hinata was with Himawari until she joined in to try to stop Naruto from being taken. (As an aside, I don't know where you get that Hinata doesn't care about her own children from this.)

 

3: -She literally got jealous over an effing piece of wool, A PIECE OF WOOL , which prompted the main character to discard his own mother memento just because she wanted to do so.

 

Hinata is never shown to be jealous. She is shown to be sad when she mistakens on who it is from, but accepting of his happiness. Naruto put away his mother's scarf because he wanted Hinata to give him hers, he was beginning to realize things.

 

4: -She doesn't care about anything at all other than her crush, the fact that she doesn't try to honor his cousin memory and try uniting the Hyuuga clan just proves my whole flipping point.

 

She chooses saving Hanabi over Naruto, she's shown mourning at her cousins' grave and Bolt's name is derived from his. The Hyuuga clan is shown changing, it -is- united, though I assume you mean change. This also was never Hinata's goal. She never wanted to be heiress either, mind.

 

5: And it's not that Hinata NEEDS to apologize to Neji, it's the fact that she doesn't express any feelings of regret or thoughts that express any indication of remorse over being the cause of his death at all that is the issue BSG is raising.  As soon as Naruto takes her hand, she forgets that her own cousin, who just died protecting her a few moments prior, exists and is more concerned about the object of her obsession grasping her hand.  Compare this to Shikamaru, whose guilt leads a depression over Asuma's death that lingers for several chapters before he comes to terms with it. And unlike Hinata,  he had nothing to do with Asuma's demise yet he still felt responsible.

 

This is faulty too, because she does not just "forget" Neji, in fact, he comes up soon after when she does the 64 palm. Speaking of Shikamaru, we hardly hear about his dad much after he dies. If we're playing Double Standards, I am going to defend both in that it is a -war-. When -would- this have been shown otherwise? She very much cares, she is shown visiting his grave. There isn't really time to linger so longly on "Thoughts of remorse or regret". The hand moment, touched on for a couple of panels instead, is exasberated into this huge thing that doesn't mean what you are implying it does.

 

6: And as the Last proves to us, this disregard even extends to her own little sister , because she was ultimately more fixated over Naruto's memento of his mother than her own sister's well being. 

 

Hinata chooses Hanabi over Naruto, holding her hand, telling her she will save her. 

 

I don't know what you are talking about in regards to fanbase, nor have anything to do with the matter at hand. My issue is that your statements can be proven to be objectively false, yet they are continued to be uttered. Number 5 has some opinion, though it's largely twisted to really give it much foundation. I'm hardly projecting my bias here. There are literally panels and scenes that are saying your words are not true. I am perhaps saying the same things, because the same provable lies are being said...still. 

 

But largely these lies exist, I think, because Hinata is blamed for the death of Narusaku, which is a shame. 

Okay, you know what. I haven't done this in a while, but I'm in the mood right now.

 

NH was planned from the beginning because the Author said it was. That's literally the source of that. I am literally just showing moments where the Author showcases the intention that this is the ultimate plan of his.

 

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Okay, if NH was planned from the beginning, why would Kishi waste his time developing Sakura's character as much as he did. Granted it has been a long time since I read the manga or watched the anime outside of the movies, but this is just utterly ridiculous. If NH was meant from the start, why didn't he put her on Naruto's team, or at the very least show them actually hanging out from time to time in the village? He doesn't even introduce her into the story until the Forest of Death at the very beginning if I recall correctly. That's like a quarter of the way through act 1. The only thing she did here was allow Naruto to cheat off her test, which was actually more selfish than selfless. There was a 99.9% chance the Jonin in the room would have spotted her, then BOTH their teams would have been disqualified. 

 

Sakura, was obviously starting to actually care for Naruto at this point in the story. I don't mean romantically, but as a teammate and a good friend. What was her way of getting Naruto out of this situation? Raising her OWN hand and failing all of squad 7 just so Naruto could have another shot. So she wouldn't have to see him break down into tears and possibly go on a suicidal rampage because his dream would never become a reality. That was selfless. Risking not only your own team's chances, along with another team's is not selfless. 

 

Sakura's opinion of Naruto drastically increased over the continuation of the series. Anyone who denies this is a moron wearing sunglasses at night.

 

So answer me this. Why would Kishimoto sabotage a character he spent the past decade or more developing to view Naruto in a romantic light? Why? I highly doubt its the reasons that he claims in the interviews.  Also, why was Kushina drawn to look and act VERY SIMILAR to Sakura? Why would he then have Kushina specifically tell Naruto to find someone like her? Kishi's interviews are 100% BS. 

 

This is not at all why Hinata jumped in, she jumped in to save him. Her feelings are not a crush, she only revealed her love for him because he asked why. Naruto was defeated, down in despair, had she not jumped in, it would have been over. Naruto himself credits Hinata for saving her. (She did not know where to look, and one is exhausted in battle as counterpoints for your parenthesis remark). 

 

Well, a lot of good that did. She nearly got him killed anyway! While her intentions were good, it was idiotic of her take on someone like Pain all by herself. Pain was on a completely different level than her. Rather than going in alone, why not bring some other ninja along to serve as a distraction while she took the rods out of his hands? It may not have worked, but it wouldn't have been a bad plan. 

 

Naruto isn't "neglecting" his family, he is overworked. Naruto shielded Boruto and Hinata was with Himawari until she joined in to try to stop Naruto from being taken. (As an aside, I don't know where you get that Hinata doesn't care about her own children from this.)

 

:wallbash: 

 

Okay. I didn't even read that much into Boruto because I quickly lost interest, but the attitude of the characters shows they're not happy. I find it very ironic that Naruto and Hinata rarely ever smile at each other, the same being said about Sakura and Sasuke, but Naruto and Sakura actually did smile at one another. The mood setting for Boruto is just depressing. Your excuse is a pretty weak defense.

 

Hinata is never shown to be jealous. She is shown to be sad when she mistakens on who it is from, but accepting of his happiness. Naruto put away his mother's scarf because he wanted Hinata to give him hers, he was beginning to realize things.

 

So, in other words, he basically just ignored what his mother told him - practically pleaded to do. His actions may as well be a way of insulting his mother. He went with someone she specifically told him not to. 

 

 

As for the last two points, I don't remember them well enough to make a counter argument, and I'm too lazy to go back and try to find them.

 

 

honestly, I don't get where you people come up with your excuses. 

 

There is nothing healthy about the NH and SS relationships. 



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Posted 09 September 2017 - 09:05 PM

The problem is that the author's statements(about NH being planned) and the manga moments don't support eachother, they rely on eachother.

When the author said so and so and it is proven in the manga how can you say it isn't true? <This is Analyzer's argument, and the answer is.. we argue that NH wasn't planned, which would make Kishi's statement automatically a lie. If we say Kishi's statement was a lie, it automatically makes the *proof* in the manga false.

You say we deny one thing so how can we deny two things? It seems too many to you but those two things have a domino effect on both sides.

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 09:08 PM

The problem is that the author's statements(about NH being planned) and the manga moments don't support eachother, they rely on eachother.

When the author said so and so and it is proven in the manga how can you say it isn't true? <This is Analyzer's argument, and the answer is.. we argue that NH wasn't planned, which would make Kishi's statement automatically a lie. If we say Kishi's statement was a lie, it automatically makes the *proof* in the manga false.

You say we deny one thing so how can we deny two things? It seems too many to you but those two things have a domino effect on both sides.

You wrote a post on another thread that stated Kishi got angry when fans question the motivation of Sakura's confession and didn't like it when people called her confession fake. He countered by saying the confession was more or less real.

 

Doesn't that alone go against every one of his later interviews? 



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Posted 09 September 2017 - 09:10 PM

 

NH was planned from the beginning because the Author said it was. That's literally the source of that. I am literally just showing moments where the Author showcases the intention that this is the ultimate plan of his.

 

 

 

 

 

People are free to hate a fictional character. But some of this is just lies. I will be very specific and just call those out, and ignore the rest.

 

1: -Hinata practically commited suicide and endangered herself and all the flipping village just to confess to her crush, even though everyone else was reasonable and undestanding enough to let him handle it (funny how then she remembers she had the byakugan then, but she has to be TOLD to use it in the war arc, huh?)

 

This is not at all why Hinata jumped in, she jumped in to save him. Her feelings are not a crush, she only revealed her love for him because he asked why. Naruto was defeated, down in despair, had she not jumped in, it would have been over. Naruto himself credits Hinata for saving her. (She did not know where to look, and one is exhausted in battle as counterpoints for your parenthesis remark). 

 

2: -Hinata doesn't give a flying f about her own children, the moment she saw Naruto was in danger she lefts them alone in order to go "help" him, even if she can't do anything about it, she also never confronts Naruto about his neglect of their family

 

Naruto isn't "neglecting" his family, he is overworked. Naruto shielded Boruto and Hinata was with Himawari until she joined in to try to stop Naruto from being taken. (As an aside, I don't know where you get that Hinata doesn't care about her own children from this.)

 

3: -She literally got jealous over an effing piece of wool, A PIECE OF WOOL , which prompted the main character to discard his own mother memento just because she wanted to do so.

 

Hinata is never shown to be jealous. She is shown to be sad when she mistakens on who it is from, but accepting of his happiness. Naruto put away his mother's scarf because he wanted Hinata to give him hers, he was beginning to realize things.

 

4: -She doesn't care about anything at all other than her crush, the fact that she doesn't try to honor his cousin memory and try uniting the Hyuuga clan just proves my whole flipping point.

 

She chooses saving Hanabi over Naruto, she's shown mourning at her cousins' grave and Bolt's name is derived from his. The Hyuuga clan is shown changing, it -is- united, though I assume you mean change. This also was never Hinata's goal. She never wanted to be heiress either, mind.

 

5: And it's not that Hinata NEEDS to apologize to Neji, it's the fact that she doesn't express any feelings of regret or thoughts that express any indication of remorse over being the cause of his death at all that is the issue BSG is raising.  As soon as Naruto takes her hand, she forgets that her own cousin, who just died protecting her a few moments prior, exists and is more concerned about the object of her obsession grasping her hand.  Compare this to Shikamaru, whose guilt leads a depression over Asuma's death that lingers for several chapters before he comes to terms with it. And unlike Hinata,  he had nothing to do with Asuma's demise yet he still felt responsible.

 

This is faulty too, because she does not just "forget" Neji, in fact, he comes up soon after when she does the 64 palm. Speaking of Shikamaru, we hardly hear about his dad much after he dies. If we're playing Double Standards, I am going to defend both in that it is a -war-. When -would- this have been shown otherwise? She very much cares, she is shown visiting his grave. There isn't really time to linger so longly on "Thoughts of remorse or regret". The hand moment, touched on for a couple of panels instead, is exasberated into this huge thing that doesn't mean what you are implying it does.

 

6: And as the Last proves to us, this disregard even extends to her own little sister , because she was ultimately more fixated over Naruto's memento of his mother than her own sister's well being. 

 

Hinata chooses Hanabi over Naruto, holding her hand, telling her she will save her. 

 

I don't know what you are talking about in regards to fanbase, nor have anything to do with the matter at hand. My issue is that your statements can be proven to be objectively false, yet they are continued to be uttered. Number 5 has some opinion, though it's largely twisted to really give it much foundation. I'm hardly projecting my bias here. There are literally panels and scenes that are saying your words are not true. I am perhaps saying the same things, because the same provable lies are being said...still. 

 

But largely these lies exist, I think, because Hinata is blamed for the death of Narusaku, which is a shame. 

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You know, what? I'm not even gonna bother, ALL your arguments are literally, "my opinion on the matter is a fact, because I say so, therefore you're just hating because you want" , this is true for ALL your posts ALL of them or at least more than 90%. Why even bother raising a fact if you are gonna negate it as an unfounded opinion all the time?
If I say what Hinata did was selfish, you say that it was selfless
If I say Hinata HERSELF admitted in the manga that it was a selfish action, you say otherwise
If I I or someone else points out Hinata is a bad mother and doesn't care about Neji, you say no-no and that YOUR opinion is a fact

What good is an argument, if one part of it is always and I do mean ALWAYS negating the other part opinions and even sometimes  facts??
There's literally no point in arguing with you.


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Posted 09 September 2017 - 09:16 PM

You wrote a post on another thread that stated Kishi got angry when fans question the motivation of Sakura's confession and didn't like it when people called her confession fake. He countered by saying the confession was more or less real.
 
Doesn't that alone go against every one of his later interviews?

Yes and his later interviews also go against eachother. I don't believe them at all and they shouldn't be used as an argument because..whem the manga is done, of course the author would defend it? Like. He cannot talk kitten about it. At least not directly.

This post was in response to some tings Analyzer has said before. That when supporte by both the author's statements, and the manga, how can it be a lie? It's quite simple.

Edited by sushi., 09 September 2017 - 09:17 PM.

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 09:21 PM

Yes and his later interviews also go against eachother. I don't believe them at all and they shouldn't be used as an argument because..whem the manga is done, of course the author would defend it? Like. He cannot talk kitten about it. At least not directly.

This post was in response to some tings Analyzer has said before. That when supporte by both the author's statements, and the manga, how can it be a lie? It's quite simple.

I think I remember that interview, but I haven't seen any of his later stuff. 

 

I just don't get it. Naruto has been done for three or four years now. He's made as much as he's going to with the series, so why not just tell the truth? If he openly admitted he just sold out to the fans his reputation would be damaged even worse, sure. But he would also get some respect back as well. 



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Posted 09 September 2017 - 09:24 PM

They're still trying to cash in Boruto. And Kishi has or had a contract. He'll probably get fired and not hired for another manga in the future.

Edited by sushi., 09 September 2017 - 10:09 PM.

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