Kadardi

On the likely chance I bet banned forever for the pm I just sent tricksie, just want to say I am forever thankful this thread has been started and I agree particularly with Slextrem, James, sushi., and others that I am probably forgetting because I read a lot. I'm on Narutoforums(same name) if anyone wants to talk to me there and I'm thinking of making a tumblr. Just saying in case anyone 'cares'.

Lastly, one point I really like about sushi.'s post is the idea that mods stick to warning thru PMs. That sounds absolutely fantastic. It's been great these...past 11 posts lol.(if I don't get banned I would like to say more. But in case I do I'll treat this as my last post).

EDIT: tricksie read the damn quotes they were said in the very same chapter thread you yelled at me in. And do not try to pass me off as a troll again for what I said.

EDIT 2: And I hope this next volume uplifts people's spirits here. A grand majority of you are wonderful.

Edit 3: Hurrah I can expand and reply some more!



No it is not unfair. It may not be a problem in all parts of this website but it IS a problem in the debate thread and the latest chapter threads. It IS a problem.



It's Codus okay? Co-dus. Codus. Codus' quotes are the ones Slextrem is posting. I honestly have to ask why you are trying so hard to defend him. She did post the issue: people forcing their opinions on others and arrogance over their own opinion run amok. It just so happens that Codus is the worst offender of this.



That is not good advice. You cannot tell people to just ignore what goes on the community they frequent or else they'll 'ignore' it by going somewhere else. You can't even ignore people who post their views on other people's views so why are you demanding members blindfold themselves and keep on scrolling when they come across an opinion they don't agree with?

Forums are created for the specific purpose of discussion and so when you post your opinion prepare to have it talked about. If you post your opinion in an arrogant and obnoxious way(and continually insult those who disagree with you(LOOK AT THE QUOTES)) then prepare to have people get offended and tell you to stop.

Mods have the power to ban but you are NOT the only people who post here nor do you even post that much. This is the members' playground and if something or someone is causing trouble and discomfort they have every right to speak up about it without worrying about being warned or banned for doing so.

Finally how are you so sure they cannot change if you NEVER let people talk about how they feel to Codus and others? Whenever they try you swoop in and stop them so they give up. They don't let it go they just feel they have to shut up.



You AND the other mods? Or just you? Do you not want people to acknowledge the fact that CODUS can get away with anything he says? You can't talk about solutions if no one knows what the problem is. Slextrem brought up one of the main problems, and once again you are telling her(and others) to shut up. That is another big problem. Your modding ability is not up to standard and what you are saying now is exactly why none of the members wanted to start up this thread in the first place. You show up and start telling everyone what to say and what not to say instead of letting them freely expressing their feelings.



I don't understand this question at all but let me say that sometimes they are bashing and breaking rules and making others feel uncomfortable but they get a free pass from you.



I cannot speak for most of the mods who don't frequent the places I do, but I do have a problem with the way the chapter threads are modded. And you all can probably tell I have a HUGE problem with the way tricksie mods things. Have any of heard of the "10 rules for being a Bad Moderator"? It's kinda funny but I feel it fits here. I'll bold the issues I've seen.



Again I'm NOT applying this to all mods since I really only frequent the Naruto discussion section, but those up there are some of the problems I see.

1. I don't see mods actively participating in discussion there and it appears they only show up to warn people. THis in and of itself is not a horrible thing because discussion between members moves fine on its own. But it DOES become a problem when controversial decisions are made like banning members with no regard or even consideration towards the people who ACTUALLY talked to the member and have grown to like him/her(no I am not talking about me. I'm talking more about James and Crimson/Baguttee since they were active and well liked members before you banned them).

2. This problem is obvious especially since this very thread was started by a member. And tricksie you yourself when asked to do something like this told Slextrem straight up that the MEMBERS should be doing something like this themselves. I would actually like to agree that the members should be able to start threads like this on their own when there is a problem, but the problem is it was NEVER clear that this was an option for them. Whenever they try and solve a problem themselves(an unruly member for ex.) a mod would show up and yell at them for not just reporting the guy. So as a result it appeared that problems can ONLY be addressed and solved by the mods(which was not done and so the members had to take the wheel).

3. Tricksie this so obviously applies to you it is not even funny. You do this constantly with people who do not deserve it and never at all with people who do(COUGH). JUST right now you blast Slextrem for quoting others and you you yourself quote her. You tell me and others not to derail a thread, then you derail a thread to distribute warning(s)(even after the matter has been dealt with or wasn't even an issue in the first place). This is really bad when you are only warning a single person since that can easily be done in PM. It makes me believe you have an ulterior motive for public warnings(namely scaring members). Those aren't your only hypocritical actions either.

5. Like number 1 this isn't so much a problem because hey you don't always know what to say and members are capable of carrying on a convo without you by now. But it becomes a problem when you make decisions that affect the active community when you are not active yourself.

8. This is a problem in another sense. If I have to keep explaining why then I will. Members who bring up their discomfort with the constant negativity are yelled at and banned and members who contribute to the unfriendly atmosphere are left alone entirely.

I honestly feel there might be a disconnetion between some mods and the members. For example Nate River in the quote by you that Shadow Wolf posted in the opening, you completely misunderstood the problem at hand. It isn't the negative opinions themselves it is the WAY they are expressed and the RATE at which they are expressed(a lot. Every week every day and every minute).

Things have slowly been turning around and becoming happy again(I noticed the debate thread and the RtN thread especially have become fun) but not because mods were warning people to shut up and ignore each other. But because problems were brought up by members and talked about.

It's been said over and over that "I know mods have lives and can't watch over this place 24/7" and that there is a problem. If you can't keep up with discussion, can't read every post before making a decision, and can't be bothered to talk to your members before you do something then why be a mod? If you don't want to activately participate that's fine but I think the Naruto section definitely needs a new mod and one who HAS been talking a lot and keeps an eye on everything that goes on(and wants a job).

And I'm bringing it up again just because, tricksie I feel you can't do that and you've shown you can't do that over the past few months.

Members are afraid to talk and speak up because of mods and if the goal of this site is to create a safe, fun, and friendly atmosphere then just the flipping opposite kinda happened. I feel like things are only getting back on track in the Naruto section thanks to the members not the mods.

Okay I'm done for now. Sorry for the huge ass post and as always if you disagree with me I am not speaking for you and I apologize if it comes across that way.

lol oh dear the mods. Sad to say I saw this coming.




Whoaaaaa there! Looks like we're getting off on the LEFT foot LOL!

I know I don't speak for the group. That's why I put the disclaimer that I'm speaking generally and not trying to speak for those who disagree with with me. Wooooow......okay. But I care about their opinion which is why I posted.

And what pray tell, are they enjoying? That's what I was asking. If they don't like naruto anymore then why do they keep coming back to post their opinion but not discuss it? I already admitted I respect zacrathedemon5 for actually telling me why he came back. And I'm sorry(to him NOT you) if my post came off as telling him he should leave.

I wasn't trying to offend anyone other than Codus which is why I posted so many sorrys in my rant.



So couldn't you just ignore my opinion? And I don't think that works very well because it sounds like you are basically saying 'if you don't like this then shut up!'

Not being able to speak is what causes some people here discomfort(ESPECIALLY against Codus since apparently speaking out against him is a bannable offense). I'm not going to name names since I don't want anyone to get in trouble with me, but there have been numerous complaints about the recent negativity which has been building up since 615 apparently and showed no sign of going away(I say this with confidence because I've been lurking here).

I guess mod's word=law and all here but since the members are the ones who keep posting and have to deal with the negativity bringing their spirits down, shouldn't they have every right to complain? I mean seriously go back in this thread and you'll see two regular posters threatening to leave because they keep getting told how hopeless everything in Naruto is and the NOT the first time it has happened(thankfully they didn't follow thru on their threats but others have).

I don't see why you are okay with losing members all to allow some party poopers to speak their mind. Negative opinions are good I'm not saying it's bad that they disagree. But from what I've seen a good chunk of them serve no purpose to the discussion and are only posted to make people who were happy with the chapter upset. And of course, people who do get upset can't say anything because if they do mods come and tell them to be quiet and they should IGNORE the post. It is not a fun atmosphere if you feel you can't speak up because you, according to mods and the negative people in the first place, are being too sensitive.

Now of course I know people who have other opinions of the story(as in they don't like how it's going) should be able to post too and I'm all for it! But like I said most of the negative opinions here consist of 'You're all naive because a SS moment is GOING to happen and it will really hurt NS', and 'That will not happen because Kishimoto is a troll and will make asspulls'(said nonjokingly), and other countless bashing of Kishimoto(which I guess is okay here despite the fact that he's a real guy). Those don't add anything to the discussion they just serve to make people feel bad.

A guy named Shadow Wolf has a great idea that I think should've been done a while ago. Go read his post it should be right below the post of mmine you quoted. It's a thread where people can just let loose and talk about what has been bothering them recently in this forum.



Ohhhhh okay so this:



and this:



and this:



are TOTALLY okay? Or maybe you did yell at him but you don't want to humiliate him in public like you are trying to do to me(and James and Crimson/Baguette)?

Because really why not send this to me in a PM instead of stopping the thread to yell at me?



As I recall, the big troll was Crimsion who turned about to be another member here who was pretty well liked(and some people were sad to see him banned) and he didn't want to hurt anyone. Just inspire discussion and maybe say things that WOULD'VE been ignored had he said them as Baguette. I thought that was good(mainly because I see debating as a healthy and excellent way to make one think about their own beliefs and why they support them) but...you didn't talk to anyone about how his actions made them feel(not all of them were mad. Some found it funny and great.). You just banned him. Didn't even tell or warn anyone just banned him. Cool.

Granted I also saw I missed a few anti-NS trolls but I think you are misunderstanding the meaning of the word. Seriously.

Go ahead and read the rest of my posts and put me in a group(wtf?). I have a feeling that that little paragraph is all you read anyway.



Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuure. That's what i said if you read my posts. I'm talking about a specific kind of negativity. And please lurk a little I don't understand how you could miss losing members and all of the CONSTANT (valid)complaints here and not address it!



Actually if you noticed the beginning of the thread was going great until about page 4 when the usual crowd came in and brought peoples' hopes down. And then discussion continued normally until Codus posted that he thought everyone here was arrogant and everything stopped until Don-kun and I posted. Then things moved normally until Codus posted again. Then I responded and things have been moving normally since then....and now you guys have posted and here we are.

Lol in other words 'don't be oversensitive. if you don't like his opinion SHUT UP, IGNORE IT, and MOVE ON.' See how well that's been working out so far. And get a good look at the people who HAVEN'T been taking this advice.

Doesn't need to be said because members here GET that a opinion that is not glowing praise is A-OKAY(it is). What they have a problem with is NOT THAT AT ALL. It's something I shouldn't have to explain to you. Please either read more or please please please please PLEASE let Shadow Wolf do his thread where people can discuss things out.

...And so you don't get upset about this again. I'm ONLY speaking for the people who agree with me(or I guess care about what I have to say...which according to tricksie is absolutely 0 so I guess I'm speaking for the imaginary people who agree with me). If anyone disagrees with me then I'm not speaking for you.


I JUST now saw your second post zacrathedemon5 O_O. Wow dude I kinda don't know what to say haha.

Wasn't a double post after all woo! Thanks Dαrkrєrsŧ.



It probably would be more accurate to say that they don't have time to talk because they are fighting a monster who doesn't care at all about what they have to say and doesn't have anything to distract it.

Madara and Obito didn't do much other than stand there when the alliance showed possibly for 2 good reasons:

Madara: picks and chooses his battles. If he doesn't see anything worthy to fight then he won't bother. With the alliance being held down by the Ten Tails he most likely didn't interfere because he thought they were all going to die anyway so why bother with ugly little weak people.

Obito: Kakashi himself said that he was trying to verify something with Naruto. I think that means he's been holding back because he wants some questions answered(which explains why he let Hinata do her speech instead of killing her then and there and letting Naruto despair some more).

Now of course, Obito and Madara are distracted by Kakashi and Hashirama, and the Ten Tails doesn't look like someone who will stop attacking for a minute...

Btw so many good posts here.



You're right, I agree that he needed a reality check and Sakura knew that. But I think she also should've known that reality check=honesty and the way she went about trying to give him that reality check caused more harm than good atm. If Sai/Kakashi wasn't there to explain her intentions then Naruto would've been a confused mess and would only get worse once Gaara shows up.

I definitely think her intentions were good and selfless, but at the same time this whole event should be something she should learn from because it caused more problems than it solved.

Well I don't think she thinks of him as a kid anymore. But between what Sai told her and leading up to the confession itself I think she did because she was reminded of the promise he made when they were children. She saw him act and look so determined and he even said he understood her pain, but it never occurred to her how much pain he was really going thru and why. I think she wanted to fix that so much and make up for that lack of observation and protect the boy who made a promise to her. I also think this because Naruto himself had to explain to her that it was more than promise that made him chase after Sasuke. Haha this is fun !

Wow you guys move fast lol. I'll have to catch up. But first...



THISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHIS a thousand times THIS!



Good point, she did obviously think about. But I still think she thought about it in the wrong way. Hinata also had a little time to think before jumping in that fight and we saw what happened. My point is she is close to Naruto and she has acknowledged several times that he isn't a little kid anymore, but she still protects him like he IS that little kid. Don't get me wrong. Giving up in the Chuunin Exam was AWESOME on her part and I loved it. But it made sense at the time because she didn't understand who Naruto was completely then.

By the Kage Summit she had seen how much he has grown and maybe should've jumped to the conclusion that if he can handle being a genin Hokage or the death of Jiraiya or a gang of S-class criminals after him(and one of them attacking his home), then he can handle a frank discussion about Sasuke. The fact that she didn't I think shows that in that situation her worry(and regret) DID cause her thinking to be waaaaay off(just like Hinata's concern and regret(not telling her feelings) caused her to make a stupid decision. Though yes her decision was a LOT more selfish than Sakura's).



Thank you! I think that too. And about the 2nd point yeah she did blush and smile you know what else? Sai didn't say it was fake ;P.



Understandable. She hasn't given ANY hint whatsoever that she only sees Naruto as a friend(notable for a fandom that really likes direct/indirect statments and thoughts to decide who likes who). There is 540, but idk Hinata was all 'we have to protect Naruto!' and now look at who's protecting who(she TRIED in 614 but then lol death happened)? So I'm taking that with a grain of salt lol.

Ah the author trying to keep suspense up. I can believe that because if the story went a little bit different, something else would be keeping them apart. I don't think I've ever seen anything ever that was long and had the main couple get together in the beginning or middle. Except in fanfiction. But honestly I heard once that some advice for authors is to keep the main pairing apart for as long as possible because if you get them together TOO soon they will get boring and you have to give them conflict that might make things worse. Not true all the time, but it can happen.

Sai should also be accounted for since I noticed he also believed Sakura when she said she loves Naruto. Her little laugh and 'what are you talking about?' was suspicious but then she did show some righteous anger when Naruto flat out accused her of lying which leads me to believe that the nervousness really was because it wasn't going as planned and not because she was really lying. And of course she never confirmed if she was.





And then they kick ass.

Seriously that would be good! It'd be funny too if he was trying to tell her to get back so she doesn't get hurt or something and then she yells at him like classic Sakura lol.



I'm hoping they get a few seconds to talk on the battlefield as well but the Ten Tails probably won't stand still to let them talk like Obito and Madara do.



YES because I am drawing blanks here.



That's why I love their relationship so much! And yeah she definitely has to understand that they can SHARE burdens instead of trying to covertly protect each other all of the time(hopefully she gets Naruto to realize that in this battle). She better remember how the confession went next time she tries to speak him. Because he won't play that game this time lolI hope we see his thoughts on it now. I want that a lot..



Sai is boss because he knows all, sees all, and tells all. I get that. I wonder if the hospital scene affected him waaaaaay more than he let on(like he wonders if Sakura would ever cry over him the way cries over Sasuke). And then when they failed to grab Sasuke the first time all of those insecurities kinda just took over his mind. Sakura's definitely going to have to take the first step here. Unless we(and Sakura) get a surprise and Naruto makes the first move.

Lol good! I was worried if it made any sense when I typed it up. Yes because she's knows pretty darn well how far he'd go for her. And as far as he cares, Sakura just being by his side is plenty far. But if she can show him how she does more then...yeah.

Yay! Wonderful !

Yeah the doubting periods are kinda hard to read. I mean it's understandable to look at it from all sides from time to time because that does help of course. But sometimes I don't understand how anyone can think the negative conclusion is right compared to the positive conclusion. Especially for these last two chapters where nothing Anti-NS was shown. But I hope you guys regain your confidence soon and with this new volume try not to fret so much unless something obviously/reasonably anti-NS show up.

Lol picturing Shino going out in a buggy blaze of glory. I don't mind either way if more people die or not but I can guess that all of Team 10 is safe. Can you imagine the effect on Sakura if Ino was killed? Team Guy is pretty open...especially Lee and Guy I think(I mean Tenten too but she survived the banana fan so she's fine). Team 8 wise...I just don't want anyone close to Hinata killed again . But Shino should be up for grabs lol.



I was in love with the friendship between Naruto and Sakura but put off by the romance. It's kinda hard to explain but as noble as Naruto's love for Sakura was I thought they had more chemistry on a friendship level(noooooo not sibling/family. Friendship). I did recognize the romantic potential however which is why I looked at the Anti-NS side to find good arguments.

It was hard to find them between all the 'Naruto doesn't love Sakura anymore', 'Sakura cares about Sasuke more than Naruto', 'Their relationship is all about SASUKE. Other than him they have nothing together', and of course bashing/twisting character motivations and intentions(one argument I saw was this: During the bench scene Naruto liked Sakura because they both wanted acknowledgment from SASUKE. That pissed me off because at that point 1) Naruto didn't even want to be on Sasuke's team. 2) He said nothing about Sasuke and it clearly implied that it was because they both sought acknowledgement from the people they cared about. and 3) It was incredibly obvious that he wanted to impress Sakura and his whole plan was to learn what she liked about him so he could do it) and twisting characterizations as well(usually done with Naruto's parents but the entire cast isn't immune from this).

I am well aware that Naruto is deeply in love with Sakura and Sakura's feelings are ambiguous, I was just wondering how likely it was they would still end up as friends DESPITE that. But I couldn't find much there either because most of those arguments involved SasuSaku as the main argument or the things I said above. I met some people who felt the same way I do and they said they were just gonna hope. I was fine with doing that too but see this pairing war...it's kinda big. And I found myself defending Naruto's and Sakura's relationship in general against naysayers.

Sooooo here I am, looking for arguments for why ultimately a romance between Naruto and Sakura is better for the both of them than close friendship. Does that answer your question?

EDIT: Forgot to say I do have an OTP that conflicts with NaruSaku. But it has a chance in hell at happening so NaruSaku happening over it doesn't bother me(specially cuz there is fanfiction).

@ coolcatjas

LMAO!

@ sushi.

Don't forget Kurama! Hinata wouldn't have succeeded without him hehe.And isn't funny how if she failed we now know Minato would've came to the rescue anyway? Yet again?




I totally respect your right to come here and post. The one thing I couldn't understand is why some of you seemed completely set in your thinking that Kishimoto is not going to improve and that his series is trash now, and yet you come here week after week to remind everyone of this. If you aren't looking to change your opinion, then wouldn't be better to post your thoughts on a blog or maybe even an Anti-Naruto club? That way you could avoid making people feel bad and at the same time avoid people making you feel bad by calling you negative or something. tumblr is a really good place to post your thoughts and I'm SURE there are plenty of anti-Naruto clubs who think the same way as you.

And really like I said the main problem wasn't the fact that you dislike Naruto. The problem is that you and everyone else who kept coming and posting over and over again how much the series and Kishimoto suck and after weeks of hearing the same thing with no change(and even with chapters that seem good for this pairing) it gets grates on people's nerves. People just want to enjoy what they want to enjoy ya know?



First I just want to say really fast that people have been making good arguments on why the manga is going the way it's going and some of those things are predictable. 615 for example, Hinata said she would hold his hand and she did. 614 is what surprised me since Neji like...got killed. NO ONE saw that coming but I'm sure quite a few people saw the Hinata hand-holding(and I think there were some sighs of relief in hindsight because it happened due to Neji and not because Naruto asked her out). But if you don't think that way that's fine.

Second I think we all know nothing is guaranteed. However if we just accept that then there wouldn't be anything to talk about right haha? Besides think of all the people who make predictions that DO come true. Must be a happy feeling!



I personally believe the manga is doing just fine. And okay okay I'm VERY okay with the Sasuke situation because I despite NaruSasuNaru with the passion of a thousand burning suns so I let that slide*cough*. But uh, yeah I think you can find people who say all of that works out well for the story but maybe you don't want or care to listen(and I'm not bashing you for that. You have every right to decide what you do or do not read). But that is your opinion overall. Sooo yeah haha .

Do note that if you WOULD like to talk about it, I would be happy to discuss it with you here!



Awwww that's so sweet! I respect you for admitting that!