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[Dalton.T.R]

Holy crap, I was going to give this manga an honest couple of years before I gave it a shot, but god damn this is painful to read. I never thought I'd say this about Sakura, but I think it's best she dies now. Her character was great in the original, but now...kitten me...

[Niky]

I don't know about naruhina fans but sasusaku fans on 2ch and twitter are fangirling over the ss sex joke panel

 

Let it go...

Poor things... They are starved...    

[Bail o' Lies]

I don't know about naruhina fans but sasusaku fans on 2ch and twitter are fangirling over the ss sex joke panel

Wow, some of them are still in japan? I thought they'd left by now. Then again they are the larger of the two fanbases in Japan.

Why are they so happy over a joke that they could've heard a year ago?

[yimiiyumi]

Wow, some of them are still in japan? I thought they'd left by now. Then again they are the larger of the two fanbases in Japan.

Why are they so happy over a joke that they could've heard a year ago?

Why would they left when they are getting the trash they wanted ? SS really got popular after ending till now since some NS fans started shipping SS but of course sasunaru is still the most popular couple ever

Yeah the same joke was made in the movie's novel but I guess now they are happy for having an actual proof of ss having sex ? lol

[TheFirstEvil100]

Well all I can to this kitten is one thing as Bardock once said in teamfourstar

"And now I welcome the sweet embrace of death."

[Phantom_999]

Eh, lol material is lol  material. Just treat it as a joke I say

Edited by Phantom_999, 04 June 2016 - 08:37 PM.

[Nate River]

1. Continuity/Honoring the original: So, Boruto's not even going to attempt to pretend to honor Naruto's (the series) original characterizations are they? I get that the reveal of the enemies inside the castle was held back for story telling reasons, but seriously, telling Naruto about the scrolls then forgetting to mention those guys is not something Sasuke would do. So does him taking a student. I don't think its impossible, but the connection here is weak/

 

And then there is Boruto using him as a tool. I struggle to buy the fact that Sasuke would put up with Boruto's crap for this long. Sasuke took being a ninja seriously. Boruto clearly doesn't. The cheating, the apparent lack of interest in actual training (I wanna know his weaknesses). I'm sure Sasuke will tear into him eventually, but I'm surprised its taking this long. 

        

2. Is the author making Boruto unlikeable on purpose? I thought Naruto's OOC behavior last chapter was meant to help justify Boruto's feelings so he wouldn't look so awful. But then we get Boruto taking short cuts and using Sasuke like a tool? I'm confused about the goal here. So, Boruto is lazy and selfish? Hooray. I'm sure we'll get a point where he decides to be serious. Sakura took a similar track, but the execution was so much better and she easier to identify with and root for. Right now, I just want someone to kick Boruto's ass.

 

3. The villains: Yeah, I know we'll get an explanation eventually, but a movie and a series branch off a non-character like Kaguya. Sigh. I still wonder when they decided to do Part 3 because the ending did not let the series up for a sequel. This is the result. I guess you have to use Kaguya when you have nowhere else to go.

 

So, I guess she had a not-so-hidden castle that Sasuke, and no one else, ever found for the las 100+ years. And these guys were just sitting there? Were they unsealed when Kaguya was...and not sure how that would work and why it would more than a decade to do anything. I'm anticipating this making no sense. 

 

4. I do give the author a pass on Bee being owned so thoroughly. Power levels were so out of hand by the end or Naruto there really isn't anywhere to go. They have to be super strong so Sasuke and Naruto can't just kill them in fifteen seconds. So let's just cut the chase and have Boruto go SSJ4 already.

[Bail o' Lies]

@Nate this is the movie. It is just copy paste scenes from the movie. Bolt apparently uses everyone. He not just using Sasuke to get back at his dad. He also had to used Konohamaru in order to be able to use Sasuke as a tool by making konohamru teach him the rasengan.

 

Bolt has always came off as a whiny brat since his introduction. Granted he had a good point about Naruto neglecting his family, but then after all the stuff produced especially the hokage inauguration chapter. Would anyone really want to spend time with a smug spoiled rotten little kitten of a son, a sociopathic daughter, and a dull lifeless narcissistic wife? It's no wonder why Naruto would rather spend all his time doing anything else but spend time with them. The only thing kishi really gave him that made him better then Naruto was apparently he is a gifted prodigy which he explains to Sasuke this chapter. Which since he had no interest in being a ninja makes him come off as lazy. There is a reason why people keep saying Salad is the better character. Another problem is we are being shown his unlikable traits slowly. Kishi is really good at showing us the good and the bad of a character in one chapter (chapter one for Naruto chapter three for Sakura for example) or in the case of bolt a movie. The thing is that you only get a full picture of bolt character after watching the whole movie. Not that it makes him anymore likable mind you. but instead we are being show it slowly over the course of basically 9 months. So his negative traits are being shown and highlighted over along period of time before we get even close to him trying to redeem himself to the audience.

 

 

Why would they left when they are getting the trash they wanted ? SS really got popular after ending till now since some NS fans started shipping SS but of course sasunaru is still the most popular couple ever

Yeah the same joke was made in the movie's novel but I guess now they are happy for having an actual proof of ss having sex ? lol

Sad that they did but from what i recall most people left Naruto after the ending and everything that happened after it then they switched over to nH. That joke was in the movie as well. they are "loving" a joke that they have heard three time already.

[Niky]

@Nate this is the movie. It is just copy paste scenes from the movie. Bolt apparently uses everyone. He not just using Sasuke to get back at his dad. He also had to used Konohamaru in order to be able to use Sasuke as a tool by making konohamru teach him the rasengan.

 

Good kid... He takes after his mother after all.

 

But seriously, the supposed NAruto's death, Konoha's destruction, Boruto's brattiness, Salad's coolness (and to me she is Karin's daughter, I am sure now... ), Hinata's no-bobbies, etc.etc... are not a problem...

 

'Everything will be all right in the end'... THIS IS THE PROBLEM!!!!

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

1. Continuity/Honoring the original: So, Boruto's not even going to attempt to pretend to honor Naruto's (the series) original characterizations are they? I get that the reveal of the enemies inside the castle was held back for story telling reasons, but seriously, telling Naruto about the scrolls then forgetting to mention those guys is not something Sasuke would do. So does him taking a student. I don't think its impossible, but the connection here is weak/

 

And then there is Boruto using him as a tool. I struggle to buy the fact that Sasuke would put up with Boruto's crap for this long. Sasuke took being a ninja seriously. Boruto clearly doesn't. The cheating, the apparent lack of interest in actual training (I wanna know his weaknesses). I'm sure Sasuke will tear into him eventually, but I'm surprised its taking this long. 

        

2. Is the author making Boruto unlikeable on purpose? I thought Naruto's OOC behavior last chapter was meant to help justify Boruto's feelings so he wouldn't look so awful. But then we get Boruto taking short cuts and using Sasuke like a tool? I'm confused about the goal here. So, Boruto is lazy and selfish? Hooray. I'm sure we'll get a point where he decides to be serious. Sakura took a similar track, but the execution was so much better and she easier to identify with and root for. Right now, I just want someone to kick Boruto's ass.

 

3. The villains: Yeah, I know we'll get an explanation eventually, but a movie and a series branch off a non-character like Kaguya. Sigh. I still wonder when they decided to do Part 3 because the ending did not let the series up for a sequel. This is the result. I guess you have to use Kaguya when you have nowhere else to go.

 

So, I guess she had a not-so-hidden castle that Sasuke, and no one else, ever found for the las 100+ years. And these guys were just sitting there? Were they unsealed when Kaguya was...and not sure how that would work and why it would more than a decade to do anything. I'm anticipating this making no sense. 

 

4. I do give the author a pass on Bee being owned so thoroughly. Power levels were so out of hand by the end or Naruto there really isn't anywhere to go. They have to be super strong so Sasuke and Naruto can't just kill them in fifteen seconds. So let's just cut the chase and have Boruto go SSJ4 already.

1.) Yep.

2.) And this makes what tiny bit of sympathy anyone may have had for Boruto with Naruto literally ending Boruto's shinobi career for that one act of cheating disappear entirely. He's inherited both Naruto's scumbagginess and Hinata's leeching.

3.) Kishi wrote the series into a corner by bringing in someone like Kaguya the way he did. With Naruto and Sasuke, for their generation anyway, being the supposed new "gods" of the shinobi world, there's really no way they could realistically bring in any other kind of people to be the villains outside of maybe modern military powers with modern guns and whatnot, or just continuing the Uchiha wanking with more "thought-to-be-dead-but-really-aren't" members.

And the castle...like the Uzumaki mask shop no one knew about for so long, except Orochimaru, that literally had a mask that summoned the freaking Shinigami.

4.) The big problem with that is that it makes you wonder how the heck the Boruto generation could have possibly defeated them at all if they were able to own someone as powerful, skilled, and experienced as Bee/Gyuki. It only makes it that much more unbelievable and pulled out the rear in desperation to make them seem worth anything.

[sushi.]

I'm very sad about this because it turns out the cycle of hatred was not broken. This was one of the most important themes in the whole manga. It was Naruto's goal.. It makes me feel so empty. Now Konoha is destroyed for the 100th time..

Edited by sushi., 06 June 2016 - 02:55 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

1.) Yep.

2.) And this makes what tiny bit of sympathy anyone may have had for Boruto with Naruto literally ending Boruto's shinobi career for that one act of cheating disappear entirely. He's inherited both Naruto's scumbagginess and Hinata's leeching.

3.) Kishi wrote the series into a corner by bringing in someone like Kaguya the way he did. With Naruto and Sasuke, for their generation anyway, being the supposed new "gods" of the shinobi world, there's really no way they could realistically bring in any other kind of people to be the villains outside of maybe modern military powers with modern guns and whatnot, or just continuing the Uchiha wanking with more "thought-to-be-dead-but-really-aren't" members.

And the castle...like the Uzumaki mask shop no one knew about for so long, except Orochimaru, that literally had a mask that summoned the freaking Shinigami.

4.) The big problem with that is that it makes you wonder how the heck the Boruto generation could have possibly defeated them at all if they were able to own someone as powerful, skilled, and experienced as Bee/Gyuki. It only makes it that much more unbelievable and pulled out the rear in desperation to make them seem worth anything.

2) You forgot that Bolt adds some more traits that make him unlikable on his own. Namely his smugness (he even think he is a prodigy) and laziness (apparently this chapter is the first time Bolt has actually put any effort into anything). So you feel less sad about some poor kid not having his daddy around and felt force to cheat in a public exam in order to get his father to notice him. When you discover he's a complete and utter spoiled brat that acts like he is entitled to everything without ever putting any effort into it.

 

3&4) The thing is that Bolt's generation should not be fighting "gods" on their first outing. Naruto wasn't going up against Madara by chapter 10. They were going up against Zabuza someone around kakashi's level while they fought Haku a boy that while better then them was more on their level. So it was more believable. Then they slowly fought stronger and stronger opponents until they were fighting solo against kage level enemies. By chapter 9 in this manga Bolt will be scoring hits on guys that are so stronger then kaguya -the closest thing to a deity in the ninja world-. That she was utterly terrified of and had to fled into the ninja world to escape them. Also if I recall being the one to finally defeat them when his father and mentor couldn't.  

 

Where can you go from there?

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 06 June 2016 - 12:22 AM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

2) You forgot that Bolt adds some more traits that make him unlikable on his own. Namely his smugness (he even think he is a prodigy) and laziness (apparently this chapter is the first time Bolt has actually put any effort into anything). So you feel less sad about some poor kid not having his daddy around and felt force to cheat in a public exam in order to get his father to notice him. When you discover he's a complete and utter spoiled brat that acts like he is entitled to everything without ever putting any effort into it.

 

3&4) The thing is that Bolt's generation should not be fighting "gods" on their first outing. Naruto wasn't going up against Madara by chapter 10. They were going up against Zabuza someone around kakashi's level while they fought Haku a boy that while better then them was more on their level. So it was more believable. Then they slowly fought stronger and stronger opponents until they were fighting solo against kage level enemies. By chapter 9 in this manga Bolt will be scoring hits on guys that are so stronger then kaguya -the closest thing to a deity in the ninja world-. That she was utterly terrified of and had to fled into the ninja world to escape them. Also if I recall being the one to finally defeat them when his father and mentor couldn't.  

 

Where can you go from there?

2.) Huh, no wonder he likes Sasuke so much. I guess he could tell Sasuke was just like him at that age, but still nowhere near as bad as Boruto himself is being right now. How Sasuke could possibly see young Naruto in Boruto though...yeah...shows just how screwed up in the head he must have gotten.

3&4) Yeah, and even then, it was Kakashi who handled Zabuza and it was only through Kurama's chakra that Naruto overcame Haku rather than any actual skill of their own. It wasn't really meant to be a full-on fight (at least not a normal one) as much as it was meant to be a lesson to show them just how big and dangerous the shinobi world truly was compared to the narrow view they all had while tucked away safely in Konoha where they all thought they were hot stuff to some degree.

[Dalton.T.R]

I'm very sad about this because it turns out the cycle of hatred was not broken. This was one of the most important themes in the whole manga. It was Naruto's goal.. It makes me feel so empty. Now Konoha is destroyed for the 100th time..

100th time? Is that all its been? 

[Bail o' Lies]

2.) Huh, no wonder he likes Sasuke so much. I guess he could tell Sasuke was just like him at that age, but still nowhere near as bad as Boruto himself is being right now. How Sasuke could possibly see young Naruto in Boruto though...yeah...shows just how screwed up in the head he must have gotten.

3&4) Yeah, and even then, it was Kakashi who handled Zabuza and it was only through Kurama's chakra that Naruto overcame Haku rather than any actual skill of their own. It wasn't really meant to be a full-on fight (at least not a normal one) as much as it was meant to be a lesson to show them just how big and dangerous the shinobi world truly was compared to the narrow view they all had while tucked away safely in Konoha where they all thought they were hot stuff to some degree.

I think Sasuke was just looking at his face saw how he looked like Naruto. Then saw how he acted around him as well as his training of the rasengan as the norm for Bolt. Making him believe that he is a more talented version of Naruto with his father determination and desire to prove himself. Despite what Salad said to him and what we have seen of him in these two chapters. That this is completely out of the norm for him. He is generally lazy, whines about his situation, and doesn't seem to care/respect his teammates (or bother getting to know them) thinking they are beneath him and only caring about his family. He is actually the worst aspects of Sasuke, Hinata, and Naruto. The reason why too many people didn't complain about this in the reviews of the movies. Was that the movie moved fast enough that you didn't have enough time to fully immerse yourself in how bratty Bolt is. Now with this manga moving at a turtle pace we are able to look at each scene on it own and fully realize what an absolute little kitten he is.

 

As for Bolt's power level and suspense in future fights. That's been thrown out the window. He already able to help the two strongest warriors take down a god at age twelve. He is absolutely stronger then his father was at his age. Hell, he might be stronger then Naruto was by the ending. Despite the fact the his is a lazy brat that apparently feels the need to cheat in order to win the chunin exams. Just because he so gifted. I'm reminded of My hero academy when All Might is fighting Deku and kaachan and he is telling kaachan that the reason why Deku growing so much is similar to in video game. Where it takes less exp to level up a character at level one then it does at level 50. In this case though instead of having to work to that level 50 Bolt like even kaachan had to. He was born at that level. While he whines and complains and does nothing. Such an interesting protagonist. How can we take any fight seriously if they are below these aliens power? Those tattoos he and that other guy had probably are power he obtained from somewhere to move their power levels to absurdity. Once again he probably be handed it like his father and mentor where handed those last minute power up by the sage. In his case because he is so gifted.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 06 June 2016 - 12:45 PM.

[Catra]

you know, i cant see this brat being any better than his father if he had a family

[Bail o' Lies]

you know, i cant see this brat being any better than his father if he had a family

He would most likely be an even worst father with all his resentment.

 

Let me use what we have seen over the past year. In order to flesh out some of the characters.

 

Naruto is a brunt out dad. He got swept up in his relationship with hinata during the initial stages and quickly agreed to marry her. Once that initial rush ended and they already had a kid on the way. That's when he slowly understood how little understanding, connections, and bond there was between him and his wife. Most likely an attempt to rekindle their relationship led to the creation of his daughter. That did not help their marriage which lowly fell apart. By the time he became hokage. He was used to sleeping on the couch, because the passion of the marriage had long since dissolved.The thing is Naruto know he not spending enough time with his kids. He know he should spend more time with his family. He knows this but can't will himself enough to change because he no longer has the passion to. The thing is he and hinata should had a divorce a long time ago. The reason they didn't. They had two children together and Naruto doesn't want them to grow up in a broken home.

 

Sasuke and Sakura as far as I can tell had a one night stand. To Sasuke it was pointless sex that ended up knocking up a girl with his kid. While Sakura thought it was an act of passionate love. Leading her to think that she was married to him (maybe she is who knows) and was then left to raise his daughter as basically a single mom. With the hope if she raises his daughter well enough he would reward her with affection she so desired. Sakura does love and care about Salad. But she is still clearly upset of the fact Sasuke hasn't come home in over a decade. To see how she been raising their daughter. Sasuke see Salad as his daughter that it. He wants her looked after and is well taken care of. If she is, he does not care about her beyond that. He probably be furious if he found her on the street starving enough to maybe take care of her (or foist her on someone else)but other then that. Let Sakura raise her and let him avoid any of the child rearing. 

 

One of the most important thing to know about Bolt is. He resent the fact Naruto doesn't come home often enough to spend constant quality time with him. Now Naruto has only used his job as an excuse as to why he doesn't spend enough time with Bolt. Which has led to Bolt hating the hokage position. Everyone else on the other hand has used the fact that Naruto was a orphan to try and justify it instead. Which led him to stating that he would rather his father be dead. Then not spend time with him because he has an important job. He also think Sasuke is cool. After the movie his dream became to take up Sasuke's role as a wanderer. So he probably also think that it better to be a wanderer who has no job and never spends time with his kids. Then it is to have a job that keeps you away from you're kids. Also Salad doesn't seem to like him because he is a lazy bum that doesn't understand how great it is to have Naruto as your dad. Now then, let use this and stuff we have seen from Boruto to see how Bolt may raise his kids.

 

So using that lets imaging his marriage with Salad. Since that's who he is most likely going to end up with: He will immediately hate the idea of her being hokage once they are married. He would most like force her to give up her dream and order her to be a housewife, since both their mothers were. If she refused he would resent her for clearly being a bad mother. For clearly caring more about being hokage, then caring about the kids. He while she forced to become a housewife will taking up Sasuke's oh so important mantle of wandering around the world for years on end. Which is so much more important duty then being hokage. If his kids or wife resent this. He will point how "his father was never around for him and that he is a better father then Naruto ever was." While he is doing that "important" duty Salad is struggling between having to choose between achieving her dream of being hokage and the fact that she is basically a single mom. Except the visits where Bolt pops up to tell his kids "He's a better dad then his father ever was." Then leave again. I imaging by this point Sakura and Naruto would probably step in and help offer to raise the kids with Salad since bolt is gone. Naruto since Salad would be taking his place would suddenly have a lot of free time on his hand, while Sakura would probably have nothing else to do since Sasuke probably hasn't given her another child, and because both want to support her dream. Sasuke doesn't care and Hinata thinks "Naruto-kun." So Sakura Naruto and Salad raise Salad's children while Bolt pop in every few years to remind the kids "he is a better father then his old man ever was." Eventually one of his kids will had it and say that Naruto is more of a father then Bolt ever was. This would cause Bolt to snap and kill everyone while muttering "he is the better father."

 

 

...You know. I kind of want a fan comic/doujin made off of what i just wrote in order to mock the boruto manga and the pairings.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 09 June 2016 - 09:22 AM.

[Catra]

goodness thats freaking depressing. what a mess this ending was, so much so a train wreck would wince in pity my gosh

[Bail o' Lies]

goodness thats freaking depressing. what a mess this ending was, so much so a train wreck would wince in pity my gosh

The sad thing is other then a guess about how nH daughter came to be procreated. Everything else is based on everything released since the ending happened. Yes, that's how bad they been handling the series over the past year.

 

I used what we have been shown and told about their relationship and how they behave about their relationship when they are brought up as well as an understanding of how their characters behave. In order to formulate the first two paragraphs. Then just used everything thing we have been shown of bolt so far to formulate the next two paragraphs. 

 

That is how poorly they have shown the relationships of ss and nH, and how unlikable they have presented/portrayed Bolt since the ending.

 

Honestly, when I was thinking it up. I added that Naruto and Sakura taking a more active role in raising the grand-kids just to cheer myself up.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 06 June 2016 - 07:25 PM.

[Nate River]

@Nate this is the movie. It is just copy paste scenes from the movie. Bolt apparently uses everyone. He not just using Sasuke to get back at his dad. He also had to used Konohamaru in order to be able to use Sasuke as a tool by making konohamru teach him the rasengan.

 

Bolt has always came off as a whiny brat since his introduction. Granted he had a good point about Naruto neglecting his family, but then after all the stuff produced especially the hokage inauguration chapter. Would anyone really want to spend time with a smug spoiled rotten little kitten of a son, a sociopathic daughter, and a dull lifeless narcissistic wife? It's no wonder why Naruto would rather spend all his time doing anything else but spend time with them. The only thing kishi really gave him that made him better then Naruto was apparently he is a gifted prodigy which he explains to Sasuke this chapter. Which since he had no interest in being a ninja makes him come off as lazy. There is a reason why people keep saying Salad is the better character. Another problem is we are being shown his unlikable traits slowly. Kishi is really good at showing us the good and the bad of a character in one chapter (chapter one for Naruto chapter three for Sakura for example) or in the case of bolt a movie. The thing is that you only get a full picture of bolt character after watching the whole movie. Not that it makes him anymore likable mind you. but instead we are being show it slowly over the course of basically 9 months. So his negative traits are being shown and highlighted over along period of time before we get even close to him trying to redeem himself to the audience.

 

 

Sad that they did but from what i recall most people left Naruto after the ending and everything that happened after it then they switched over to nH. That joke was in the movie as well. they are "loving" a joke that they have heard three time already.

 

I didn't see Boruto the Movie.

 

But the reason I asked is because Naruto using a shadow clone for his daughters birthday is terrible. The point seemed to be to validate Boruto's feelings and at least sympathize with him even is he is a jerk. Naruto first act was to vandalize a monument and his fairly bratty himself. But the series was quick to explain and people sympathized with his behavior. Good or bad, attention was attention. It's clear we were supposed to at least sympathize with Naruto. I thought the same of Boruto in chapter 1, but then we get this?

 

I can't find a single likable quality about him. He's a first class jackass throughout the chapter.