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[LuckyChi7]

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some similarity

 

 

 

 

Once in a while...I just gotta do this when thinking about it!

[Qia]

Also to: https://i.postimg.cc...61836-Brave.jpg

[Bail o' Lies]

So does this manga still make what kakashi said about naruto surpassing the 4th hokage when he learned rasenshuriken true?

Minato made the basic rasengan. But he always intended to add elemental nature to it, Jiraiya mentions this when he does the rasengan in the one shot, but never could.

 

This is also clearly Minato and Kushina as young adult or very old teenagers. So Minato is stronger in the one shot as Kushina has been teaching him Uzumaki seals and he was able to improve upon Kushina's seal. Naruto... in theory is stronger than him by the time of Boruto. The only problem is how he is treated in Boruto.

 

 

I had the same reaction, this one shot was high top quality!

 

This writing was not applied by the end of Naruto most probably because he was tired of it all and it did show and not just about the pairrings but everything in general. He had to constantly fight with people working for him that didn't have the same vision with his fight editor and him as well and that pretty much told him their biased views instead of thinking on what would really matter most for the story in general.

 

On that part, I can't really blame Kishimoto for giving up to what these people wanted even if it still regretful that he did gave up.

 

Now, he had long break of writing and drawing so he was really more up to his game, so to speak.

 

If the people pushing him so much would have gave him the time to let's say, grief about his father's passing, maybe he might would have giving us something a little more worth reading in the end.

 

Overall, I'm glad to see him back, even if it's much later then I would have liked and even if it's ''thanks'' to a popularity vote and not because he could have done it in the original story. I guess we will take what we can and hope that if he comes back writing, he'll continue to write as good as that.

Kishimoto is at his strongest in short self contained stories.

[Serenity Namikaze]

Kishimoto is at his strongest in short self contained stories.

 

I totally agree on that but I also believe that all the harassment/fights he had to endure surely didn't help.

 

If he had more supports with what he wanted and less greedy/bias people in his envirement maybe things would have helped a great deal for him to do at least better than what he did.

 

But yeah, overall, short stories was and always will be better for writers like Kishimoto because he has proven in the past (with the help of his first editor) that he can be a good writer and has proven it once again with this one shot. 

Edited by Serenity Namikaze, 16 July 2023 - 11:35 PM.

[Qia]

Also to: https://i.postimg.cc...61836-Brave.jpg

 

 

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some similarity

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This one might be more of a stretch but I couldn't help but think of it xD 

[totherpage95]

I wish we got to see more of the Uzumaki clan and Kushina there is some potential imo

[totherpage95]

Minato made the basic rasengan. But he always intended to add elemental nature to it, Jiraiya mentions this when he does the rasengan in the one shot, but never could.
 
This is also clearly Minato and Kushina as young adult or very old teenagers. So Minato is stronger in the one shot as Kushina has been teaching him Uzumaki seals and he was able to improve upon Kushina's seal. Naruto... in theory is stronger than him by the time of Boruto. The only problem is how he is treated in Boruto.
 
Kishimoto is at his strongest in short self contained stories.

Yeah true. Might be a bit of a stretch to think naruto surpassed minato but maybe it's better to not think about those details (i mean when naruto learned rasenshuriken it's not implausible to think naruto in boruto is stronger than minato in the manga or at least as strong)

[totherpage95]

Well, it's too late to fix things unless he rewrites part 2.

The pro enders would have his head

[Bail o' Lies]

Yeah true. Might be a bit of a stretch to think naruto surpassed minato but maybe it's better to not think about those details (i mean when naruto learned rasenshuriken it's not implausible to think naruto in boruto is stronger than minato in the manga or at least as strong)

It is kinda hard to gauge strength in stories sometimes. But, I got the impression that Naruto was Minato's equal or surpassed him when they were working together during the war arc. The main thing Minato had over Naruto at the point was a few more years of experience (he was what, 24 when he died) and Uzumaki sealing jutsu. So logically, people would assume Naruto would gain more experience and learn his clan's sealing techniques once or even before he became Hokage.

 

Of course once Boruto started he went through the Jake Skywalker treatment. If he too impressive, then it would be too difficult for our new hero to surpass him. So better make him a failure to make our new Hero look better. Then just copy the old hero's story and achievements onto the new Hero...which fans then hate as they see them as a poor imitation that ruined a beloved character.

 

It varied depending on who was writing:

 

In the Movie written by Kishi: Boruto had far less chakra then Naruto, however he is far smarter and better educated than his father, and if he applied himself he would eventually surpass him. Of course he is lazy and unmotivated to the point that Naruto was probably better than him by the time they both took the chunin exam; despite Boruto's better training/education. Naruto is a respected figure with some issues at home.

 

In the manga made by Ikemoto: Boruto is a gifted genius that started to apply himself after the chunin exam and with the help of the karma seal and the power of Bro with Kawaki. He became the most powerful person on the planet onto if not a literal God before he reached the age of 13. Oh and Naruto is entirely dependent on Kurama to do anything and once he is gone it made clear everyone thinks he is complete dead weight.

 

In the anime by SP from what I recall years ago: Boruto is a child born of the Goddess Hinata how can he not be perfect at everything more power than anyone since he was born as proof that Hinata was the better woman.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 17 July 2023 - 05:00 AM.

[totherpage95]

The one shot doesn't imply minato spent 3 years inventing rasengan it implies he just recently started inventing it and jiraiya told him how to spin it and it got created 💀but other than that it was good perhaps kishimoto put himself in a tricky situation by having rasengan take 3 years to invent but only naruto and jiraiya can use it (and kakashi later too). It might have also been the case that an uchiha would be better at inventing jutsu since they have the sharingan(sorry lee i didn't mean to imply hard work can't beat natural talent)

Edited by totherpage95, 17 July 2023 - 08:04 PM.

[totherpage95]

It is kinda hard to gauge strength in stories sometimes. But, I got the impression that Naruto was Minato's equal or surpassed him when they were working together during the war arc. The main thing Minato had over Naruto at the point was a few more years of experience (he was what, 24 when he died) and Uzumaki sealing jutsu. So logically, people would assume Naruto would gain more experience and learn his clan's sealing techniques once or even before he became Hokage.
 
Of course once Boruto started he went through the Jake Skywalker treatment. If he too impressive, then it would be too difficult for our new hero to surpass him. So better make him a failure to make our new Hero look better. Then just copy the old hero's story and achievements onto the new Hero...which fans then hate as they see them as a poor imitation that ruined a beloved character.
 
It varied depending on who was writing:
 
In the Movie written by Kishi: Boruto had far less chakra then Naruto, however he is far smarter and better educated than his father, and if he applied himself he would eventually surpass him. Of course he is lazy and unmotivated to the point that Naruto was probably better than him by the time they both took the chunin exam; despite Boruto's better training/education. Naruto is a respected figure with some issues at home.
 
In the manga made by Ikemoto: Boruto is a gifted genius that started to apply himself after the chunin exam and with the help of the karma seal and the power of Bro with Kawaki. He became the most powerful person on the planet onto if not a literal God before he reached the age of 13. Oh and Naruto is entirely dependent on Kurama to do anything and once he is gone it made clear everyone thinks he is complete dead weight.
 
In the anime by SP from what I recall years ago: Boruto is a child born of the Goddess Hinata how can he not be perfect at everything more power than anyone since he was born as proof that Hinata was the better woman.

I only meant kakashi directly saying naruto surpassed him when he created rasenshuriken it's why I assumed naruto would be hokage soon afterward since he mastered the rasengan and sage mode which his father never could do. The only thing which naruto hadn't done was master the nine tails but he was still the strongest in the village after jiraiya was murdered... Made no sense danzo was picked as he wasn't the strongest or even kakashi but at least with danzo he used his genjutsu to force the choice on the other villagers

Edited by totherpage95, 17 July 2023 - 08:13 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

Apprantly sadara's new design is coming out in a few hours

[Bail o' Lies]

 

The one shot doesn't imply minato spent 3 years inventing rasengan it implies he just recently started inventing it and jiraiya told him how to spin it and it got created but other than that it was good perhaps kishimoto put himself in a tricky situation by having rasengan take 3 years to invent but only naruto and jiraiya can use it (and kakashi later too). It might have also been the case that an uchiha would be better at inventing jutsu since they have the sharingan(sorry lee i didn't mean to imply hard work can't beat natural talent)

I only meant kakashi directly saying naruto surpassed him when he created rasenshuriken it's why I assumed naruto would be hokage soon afterward since he mastered the rasengan and sage mode which his father never could do. The only thing which naruto hadn't done was master the nine tails but he was still the strongest in the village after jiraiya was murdered... Made no sense danzo was picked as he wasn't the strongest or even kakashi but at least with danzo he used his genjutsu to force the choice on the other villagers

One-Shot doesn't say he didn't spend three years coming up with it, nor that he only started working on it recently. It could've taken three years to reach this point, as he slowly came up with the idea, and then slowly developed it. As he may have felt he was close to making a breakthrough. Or, more likely, that battle with the battle with the two biju using their tailed beast ball reminded him, and made he want to focus on finishing it. He didn't say, "he just came up with it recently," he just wanted to focus on it 'today' over Kushina teaching him more Uzumaki sealing.

 

The hurdle he was having this chapter was his chakra molds in both directions, which with some help from Jiraiya he figure out how to work with that. That could of had him stuck for awhile as that is much different than anyone else we have seen using it as they only had to mold theirs' in one direction.

 

So I don't consider that a contradiction. It simply took him three years to reach the point that we saw in the one shot, and from what I recall the intention even then was it was only that the first stage was complete.

 

Minato has always been able to use the rasengan in Naruto. He taught it to Jiraiya (who as we see helped him create it), his student Kakashi (it is possible he also taught it to his other genin Obito and Rin but we never saw them use it), and probably Kushina because as he made it for her. He used it against Obito in the Naruto's Birth Flashback, we saw Killer Bee remember him using it, and he used it during the war arc. What he couldn't do is add his elemental nature to the jutsu.

 

There were always four intended aspects to the rasengan: rotation, power, concentration/condensing, and elemental nature. A basic rasengan is the first three. He didn't figure out how to add his elemental nature to it before he died. So the jutsu was left incomplete. Kakashi tried adding his lighting element to it but couldn't keep the rotation. So, the failure became his signature jutsu the chidori/raikiri. Naruto completed it.

 

Like I said by the war arc the story implied Minato and Naruto are more or less equal in power. But, Naruto is still young and inexperience genin which isn't going to make him hokage over older, higher ranked, and experience men like Danzo and Kakashi.

 

You're trying to find plot holes where surprisingly there is none.

 

Apparently, sadara's new design is coming out in a few hours

What some tape and a piece of string?

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 18 July 2023 - 02:28 AM.

[luans7]

Kishimoto wanted to convey the entire relationship he had with his wife to the characters of Naruto and Sakura; however, his editors did not allow it. The only way out he found was to express it through Minato and Kushina, which makes him feel so comfortable and happy when writing their story.

[BlueStarSaber]

Well here is sadara's new design and the official name of part 2 of boruto https://twitter.com/...-vmGJfPFOA&s=19

[Bail o' Lies]

Well here is sadara's new design and the official name of part 2 of boruto https://twitter.com/...-vmGJfPFOA&s=19

Boruto: Two Blue Vortex? Is that to represent Nail and Boruto or Boruto's eyes? The fact that it as a new title, says to me, they are desperately trying to distance themselves from part one.

 

They are using Sarada as the poster girl for this as she is the most popular character in Boruto...or at least of the main cast.

 

Sarada's chocker as the Hanuro's circle and she is wearing Uchiha clan's fan as earrings. Also, yep this is another Ikemoto design. When I saw it my first thoughts were trying too hard to be sexy, trying too hard to be modern, and trying too hard to be cool. For those that haven't been reading Boruto, a lot of the original characters and even the story fit that description. The entire manga feels like someone that is desperately trying to make something cool to show they are cool but don't have the sense of style or self-confidence to actually pull it off. Making them instead come off as a try hard tosser. Think someone who wear sunglasses, a fedora, and a trench coat now a days.

 

This can also be seen in how Ikemoto's creator's insert character Kawaki is treated in the anime and manga. In the anime, apparently, he just a try hard trying to be a cool deep character as his gag because the anime is more light hearted. In the manga, he is suppose to be this deep dark cool tortured character that is always right, because he is what Ikemoto wishes he was, but just comes off as a try hard. Also Ikemoto's dream girl Eida/Hime who looks like granola girl hipster that is really into astrology.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 18 July 2023 - 03:58 PM.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

Kishi... you are not winning me back. You damaged your work. You think this will fix everything? If anything, you're making it worse. 

[Derock]

Is Ikemoto trying to make Sarada a fashion model? 

[LuckyChi7]

There were so many direction in which Sarada's time skip design could've gone, and this is the best they could come up with.

 

 

 

Let me show you a fan art that one of my friends showed me, and....

 

 

https://pbs.twimg.co...pg&name=900x900

 

 

 

 

it's astonishing how fans have a better imagination than the original artist. 

[Bail o' Lies]

Kishi... you are not winning me back. You damaged your work. You think this will fix everything? If anything, you're making it worse. 

This isn't Kishimoto's doing, this is Ikemoto's.

 

 

Is Ikemoto trying to make Sarada a fashion model? 

There were so many direction in which Sarada's time skip design could've gone, and this is the best they could come up with.

 

Let me show you a fan art that one of my friends showed me, and....

 

https://pbs.twimg.co...pg&name=900x900

 

it's astonishing how fans have a better imagination than the original artist. 

Like I said before he has terrible sense of design/ascetics/whatever term you want to use. 

 

Kishimoto for his girls generally came up with a theme or an idea but still made sure they were both attractive and practical. Ikemoto goes for what he thinks will looks sexy and cool, and try-hard coolness mattered more than the outfit making sense for a fight.