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Posted 02 August 2014 - 07:58 AM

A man can dream right.

our most important dream is hinata sama . realize that she is not in love with naruto and she should lead  her clan  . oooh what a nice dream  :lulz: . ill even be a hinata sama  fan  :yes:



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 09:29 AM

Who wouldn't? I wish either Naruto or Sasuke will die already so I can get released from this bromance. And this is coming from a fan of these two characters (especially Sasuke).

Yeah but even if that happens we still have to ghost bromance. :D  Especially if Sasuke dies, we're going to see Naruto crying for his best friend. And be all devastated and give up on life and the world.

Problem is Kishi failed in making NaruSasu this great bond that he keeps eluding to. We never actually saw it, it was just shoved down our throats.

 

He already failed bringing him back if he fails again this late in the series that would be the third promise to Sakura that's been broken.

The question is does Sakura still care about that promise? I say no.


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Posted 02 August 2014 - 09:46 AM

our most important dream is hinata sama . realize that she is not in love with naruto and she should lead  her clan  . oooh what a nice dream  :lulz: . ill even be a hinata sama  fan  :yes:

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Yeah but even if that happens we still have to ghost bromance. :D  Especially if Sasuke dies, we're going to see Naruto crying for his best friend. And be all devastated and give up on life and the world.

Problem is Kishi failed in making NaruSasu this great bond that he keeps eluding to. We never actually saw it, it was just shoved down our throats.

 

I agree with Lee Kishi should take some lessons from him   -_- sasunaru_by_ninja_noodles-d35lomx.jpg


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Posted 02 August 2014 - 09:56 AM

Yeah but even if that happens we still have to ghost bromance. :D  Especially if Sasuke dies, we're going to see Naruto crying for his best friend. And be all devastated and give up on life and the world.

Problem is Kishi failed in making NaruSasu this great bond that he keeps eluding to. We never actually saw it, it was just shoved down our throats.

 

The question is does Sakura still care about that promise? I say no.

THIS! Exactly the problem. That's why the flashbacks (whenever either of these two think about the other) are awkward and without substance. They hardly talked, they hardly worked together as a team and they did not even like each other one bit. Yet somehow they are supposed to have built an unbreakable bond of some sort and this bond eclipses Naruto's every other bond! BULLSH*T !!! Don't even get me started on Naruto's fixation over Sasuke. "Sasuke was the first person to accept me"  WTF?! I am yet to see Sasuke actually openly acknowledge/respect Naruto or even talk to Naruto like a friend. 

 

What about Iruka, Naruto? What about Sakura? What about Kakashi, Jiraiya, Tsunade and your other Konoha comrades? All of those who have actually stuck by you throughout your journey and who want to see you achieve your Hokage dream? 


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Posted 02 August 2014 - 11:02 AM

I might get shot by someone in this forum for saying this, but I actually do understand just a little why Naruto cares so much for Sasuke because of the Part 1 basis. :sweat:

 

The main SasuNaru bonding I think a lot of you forget about due to Part 2 was when they trained together during the tree climbing. You can argue it was rushed, it was weird, and it didn't make much sense but it was there. Sasuke was the only one who went to go find Naruto when he was out training all night, carried him back when he was exhausted, and worked well with him together with teamwork. They weren't that bad. There was friendship, just in a very weird way.

 

Sasuke nearly killed himself to save Naruto. Why does everyone forgot about this? :ermm: Yeah, risking your life for someone isn't a big deal now because most characters are just inclined to that whether they're close or not, but Sasuke wasn't like that. Nothing mattered more to him than living to kill Itachi yet he sacrificed his ultimate dream just so Naruto could live. I actually think that was the first selfless thing Sasuke ever did. Sasuke was the second person besides Iruka that Naruto actually saw nearly throw away his life for him. This isn't a big deal for someone like Naruto, when most people hated him? :confused:

 

Naruto and Sasuke's communication was just different. They couldn't be particularly nice to each other because of their rivalry. They cared, just struggled to express it right. Really a lot like brothers tbh. I'm the closest to my brother in my family and I love him so much, but I argue with him a lot and rarely tell him I love him when I can say that to my parents and my grandmother every day easy. My relationship with him is different that's all, just like Naruto and Sasuke's. And Naruto himself is not the type of person to be particularly open about how much he cares about someone unless they're in trouble. Sasuke particularly and even Sakura are obvious cases of this.

 

To be perfectly honest, Sasuke was actually the first of T7 to develop a strong bond with Naruto. He risked his life to save him when Sakura still viewed Naruto as somewhat of a nuisance and still had trouble accepting him. And Sasuke DID acknowledge Naruto by saying he was one of the ones he wanted to fight the most in Part 1. He was acknowledging his strength and for Naruto, who cared so much about their rivalry, that meant a lot to him.  

 

What Kishi screwed up on with the SasuNaru bromance is that every other relationship of Naruto gets shafted in favor of Sasuke, who has not done really anything for him in Part 2. The basis of Part 1 is not enough to make that believable. Kishi also writes Sasuke so uncaring now in comparison to Naruto's over-caring and it just looks bad. I know Sasuke probably cares for Naruto somewhere inside him, but it's only a tiny shred that's enough to get redeemed. That's why Naruto's devotion to Sasuke can look so pathetic at times.

 

I'm not going to say SasuNaru makes sense, that Kishi did a perfect job of developing them, and I'm certainly not going to say Sasuke being Naruto's most important bond even eclipsing Sakura and Jiraiya's is easy to accept when Sasuke hasn't done a thing for him since he left.

 

But I'm never going to say SasuNaru bromance never had even a little basis either. Sasuke and Naruto did care a lot about each other in Part 1, no matter if it made any sense or not.  I'm not going to undermine that and pretend it wasn't there.

 

The problem isn't that Sasuke and Naruto never had a real friendship. The problem is Kishimoto over-glorified it and blew it out of proportion in P2 to a level that P1 SasuNaru friendship just wasn't strong enough to justify. That's all.


Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 02 August 2014 - 11:24 AM.

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 12:10 PM

I might get shot by someone in this forum for saying this, but I actually do understand just a little why Naruto cares so much for Sasuke because of the Part 1 basis. :sweat:

 

The main SasuNaru bonding I think a lot of you forget about due to Part 2 was when they trained together during the tree climbing. You can argue it was rushed, it was weird, and it didn't make much sense but it was there. Sasuke was the only one who went to go find Naruto when he was out training all night, carried him back when he was exhausted, and worked well with him together with teamwork. They weren't that bad. There was friendship, just in a very weird way.

 

Sasuke nearly killed himself to save Naruto. Why does everyone forgot about this? :ermm: Yeah, risking your life for someone isn't a big deal now because most characters are just inclined to that whether they're close or not, but Sasuke wasn't like that. Nothing mattered more to him than living to kill Itachi yet he sacrificed his ultimate dream just so Naruto could live. I actually think that was the first selfless thing Sasuke ever did. Sasuke was the second person besides Iruka that Naruto actually saw nearly throw away his life for him. This isn't a big deal for someone like Naruto, when most people hated him? :confused:

 

Naruto and Sasuke's communication was just different. They couldn't be particularly nice to each other because of their rivalry. They cared, just struggled to express it right. Really a lot like brothers tbh. I'm the closest to my brother in my family and I love him so much, but I argue with him a lot and rarely tell him I love him when I can say that to my parents and my grandmother every day easy. My relationship with him is different that's all, just like Naruto and Sasuke's. And Naruto himself is not the type of person to be particularly open about how much he cares about someone unless they're in trouble. Sasuke particularly and even Sakura are obvious cases of this.

 

To be perfectly honest, Sasuke was actually the first of T7 to develop a strong bond with Naruto. He risked his life to save him when Sakura still viewed Naruto as somewhat of a nuisance and still had trouble accepting him. And Sasuke DID acknowledge Naruto by saying he was one of the ones he wanted to fight the most in Part 1. He was acknowledging his strength and for Naruto, who cared so much about their rivalry, that meant a lot to him.  

 

What Kishi screwed up on with the SasuNaru bromance is that every other relationship of Naruto gets shafted in favor of Sasuke, who has not done really anything for him in Part 2. The basis of Part 1 is not enough to make that believable. Kishi also writes Sasuke so uncaring now in comparison to Naruto's over-caring and it just looks bad. I know Sasuke probably cares for Naruto somewhere inside him, but it's only a tiny shred that's enough to get redeemed. That's why Naruto's devotion to Sasuke can look so pathetic at times.

 

I'm not going to say SasuNaru makes sense, that Kishi did a perfect job of developing them, and I'm certainly not going to say Sasuke being Naruto's most important bond even eclipsing Sakura and Jiraiya's is easy to accept when Sasuke hasn't done a thing for him since he left.

 

But I'm never going to say SasuNaru bromance never had even a little basis either. Sasuke and Naruto did care a lot about each other in Part 1, no matter if it made any sense or not.  I'm not going to undermine that and pretend it wasn't there.

 

The problem isn't that Sasuke and Naruto never had a real friendship. The problem is Kishimoto over-glorified it and blew it out of proportion in P2 to a level that P1 SasuNaru friendship just wasn't strong enough to justify. That's all.

If part 1 was all that mattered, we would be looking at SS as canon  :confused:

About the points you have listed, I think any teammate would have done the same in majority of the cases. 

Wouldn't Shikamaru and Chouji do the same for each other? What is it that really sets apart Naruto and Sasuke's bond so much from other bonds? Why is it supposed to be better than the others? There is nothing special.

 

Again this is very similar to what he hear in Obito's defence. Just because there is some goodness deep deep inside the person and he acted in a human sense some time in the past DOES NOT mean all the bad things he does later, nearer to the present , should be treated as water under the bridge and he should be excused of all the consequences!

In Sasuke's case especially, its safe to say his positive actions have been outnumbered MASSIVELY by his negative actions.

 

If we rank the characters in terms of being supportive and giving happiness to Naruto, Sakura would be at the top and Sasuke would be near bottom. Even Hinata would be better placed than Sasuke!

Then if we rank the characters in terms of being the reason for emotional pain caused to Naruto, Sauke would be near the top.

Despite all this , Naruto's bond with Sasuke trumps all his other bonds and his devotion to Sasuke remains steady as ever! RIDICULOUS!


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Posted 02 August 2014 - 12:26 PM

If part 1 was all that mattered, we would be looking at SS as canon  :confused:
 
Again this is very similar to what he hear in Obito's defence. Just because there is some goodness deep deep inside the person and he acted in a human sense some time in the past DOES NOT mean all the bad things he does later, nearer to the present , should be treated as water under the bridge and he should be excused of all the consequences!
In Sasuke's case especially, its safe to say his positive actions have been outnumbered MASSIVELY by his negative actions. Yet, Naruto's devotion to Sasuke remains steady as ever! RIDICULOUS!

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 12:57 PM

@ns.Believe.It:

 

There is a world of difference between Sasuke and Naruto's bond and Sasuke and Sakura's bonds in Part 1. That's why I don't put them on the same level.  Sasuke singled out Naruto many more times than anyone else on that team. Orochimaru said Naruto held an influence over him and for that very reason had to be taken away. Sasuke acknowledged Naruto as his best friend at the end of Part 1 and then there was nearly dying for him.

 

Sasuke just treated Sakura like a teammate. He didn't single her out the way he did with Naruto and still does. Sasuke always cared about Naruto more than he did Sakura and even now Naruto is the only person he still cares for deep, deep down. I guess that's why it's easier for me to understand SasuNaru than SasuSaku. :sweatdrop:

 

Sasuke has done awful things to Naruto, worse than he ever did to Sakura. But the best way to understand Sasuke is reverse psychology. The more he cares for someone, the more awful things he does to that person ever since the ending of P1. With Naruto, Sasuke never wanted him to 'change'  or sway him with bonds again because he believes it weakens him. Killing Naruto is eliminating that bond he doesn't want to have, but can't really get rid of. I always thought this was obvious ever since he left. He never changed about that, not even in the Kage Summit Arc.  

 

I *think* I understand Sasuke. I understand why he does what he does. I don't excuse it tho. He has been a terrible friend to Naruto. What Sasuke does to Naruto pisses me off genuinely, but that's not gonna stop me from saying Sasuke does care for Naruto in a twisted, minuscule way. He just hates him more. Tho at least half of the hate is because Sasuke hates that he still cares even a little and Naruto gets to him. Again, Sasuke with Naruto = reverse psychology. Not that it excuses it ofc.

 

You can't compare him to Obito here. Both Sasuke and Obito changed after the horrible things they endured. But Sasuke had it younger while Obito was older, yet who was worse right away? Obito. He went insane and became a terrorist. Sasuke was just an insensitive jerk who didn't care about anything, but he wasn't doing attempted murder with uncaring intent really until he was 15 (like I said, with Naruto= reverse psychology)

 

My point is, it took Sasuke five years/arguably seven years to try heartless murder without caring. It didn't even take Obito a year. And Sasuke had better motivation to becoming evil. Sasuke may not be much, but he's better than Obito on that at least.

 

I'm not defending Sasuke's actions, but I do say what I think needs to be said as far as his relationship with Naruto and the whole Sasuke/Obito comparison goes.  Unlike most of this forum, I don't particularly hate Sasuke or Obito. I just say what I see. :smile:


Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 02 August 2014 - 01:15 PM.

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 01:07 PM

Sasuke is one of the most inconsistent fictional character ever. I'm not gonna apply any sort of psychology to try and understand the way he's been written. Its impossible and Sasuke's not worth the effort   :roll:


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Posted 02 August 2014 - 02:38 PM

I might get shot by someone in this forum for saying this, but I actually do understand just a little why Naruto cares so much for Sasuke because of the Part 1 basis. :sweat:
 
The main SasuNaru bonding I think a lot of you forget about due to Part 2 was when they trained together during the tree climbing. You can argue it was rushed, it was weird, and it didn't make much sense but it was there. Sasuke was the only one who went to go find Naruto when he was out training all night, carried him back when he was exhausted, and worked well with him together with teamwork. They weren't that bad. There was friendship, just in a very weird way.
 
Sasuke nearly killed himself to save Naruto. Why does everyone forgot about this? :ermm: Yeah, risking your life for someone isn't a big deal now because most characters are just inclined to that whether they're close or not, but Sasuke wasn't like that. Nothing mattered more to him than living to kill Itachi yet he sacrificed his ultimate dream just so Naruto could live. I actually think that was the first selfless thing Sasuke ever did. Sasuke was the second person besides Iruka that Naruto actually saw nearly throw away his life for him. This isn't a big deal for someone like Naruto, when most people hated him? :confused:
 
Naruto and Sasuke's communication was just different. They couldn't be particularly nice to each other because of their rivalry. They cared, just struggled to express it right. Really a lot like brothers tbh. I'm the closest to my brother in my family and I love him so much, but I argue with him a lot and rarely tell him I love him when I can say that to my parents and my grandmother every day easy. My relationship with him is different that's all, just like Naruto and Sasuke's. And Naruto himself is not the type of person to be particularly open about how much he cares about someone unless they're in trouble. Sasuke particularly and even Sakura are obvious cases of this.
 
To be perfectly honest, Sasuke was actually the first of T7 to develop a strong bond with Naruto. He risked his life to save him when Sakura still viewed Naruto as somewhat of a nuisance and still had trouble accepting him. And Sasuke DID acknowledge Naruto by saying he was one of the ones he wanted to fight the most in Part 1. He was acknowledging his strength and for Naruto, who cared so much about their rivalry, that meant a lot to him.  
 
What Kishi screwed up on with the SasuNaru bromance is that every other relationship of Naruto gets shafted in favor of Sasuke, who has not done really anything for him in Part 2. The basis of Part 1 is not enough to make that believable. Kishi also writes Sasuke so uncaring now in comparison to Naruto's over-caring and it just looks bad. I know Sasuke probably cares for Naruto somewhere inside him, but it's only a tiny shred that's enough to get redeemed. That's why Naruto's devotion to Sasuke can look so pathetic at times.
 
I'm not going to say SasuNaru makes sense, that Kishi did a perfect job of developing them, and I'm certainly not going to say Sasuke being Naruto's most important bond even eclipsing Sakura and Jiraiya's is easy to accept when Sasuke hasn't done a thing for him since he left.
 
But I'm never going to say SasuNaru bromance never had even a little basis either. Sasuke and Naruto did care a lot about each other in Part 1, no matter if it made any sense or not.  I'm not going to undermine that and pretend it wasn't there.
 
The problem isn't that Sasuke and Naruto never had a real friendship. The problem is Kishimoto over-glorified it and blew it out of proportion in P2 to a level that P1 SasuNaru friendship just wasn't strong enough to justify. That's all.

Basically THIS! The problem of NaruSasu bond...lies in P2 and NOT P1! If the same story would have unfolded in P1...Naruto running behind Sasuke was understood....but what Sasuke has done to Naruto in P2...masks all of his achievements in P1 and his story sort of....backfires! P1 Sasuke, however he was....he still showed care towards anyone may he be useful or not and he did not use people! But P2 Sasuke is...terrible! I have no problem with P1 Sasuke. The problem lies towards what has he become now. Their teanwork is still UNBEATABLE! I mean, there's not a single duo who comes to my mind when a battle on dual fronts is concerned. Their teamwork far outclasses even Hashirama's and Madara's teamwork! If Sasuke had changed a little from P1....

Even I am the closest to my brother in my whole family and basically...we fight and argue till death until mom and dad have to stop us! But for alll I know, he cares and loves me alot! I have a difficulty in expressing my emotions particularly to him because its just not so easy as it is with parents. But really, each of us knows automatically that the other one is angry or down about something or anything like that. Same is with Sasuke and Naruto! They don't have to tell each other what the other one is up to! Sasuke knows what attack Naruto will use and so does Naruto. They don't have to tell each other which attack to use when or what's wrong with the other, they know it already! I still maintain my stand saying that Naruto knows every bit of what Sasuke is up to. Their teamwork is still unbeatable but on solo level especially in the personalities and power levels.....Naruto far outclasses Sasuke.....Sasuke is strong no doubt! But Naruto is the strongest. But when their teamwork is concerned, really, no one's a match for them. I mean what more do you want when both the partners are practically reading each other and they know how to compliment the other!

Naruto doesn't need Sasuke to win a battle.....or yeah maybe he does....but Naruto saying that I cannot win the battle without him when he can clearly hold his ground on his own....is telling! We can say that....the bromance is good...but perhaps it is written badly?

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 02:40 PM

Off topic.
Have you guys starting to notice that this Hamaru character was only created as an excuse to give Sasuke a reason to feature in these last chapters and future chapters, unless BZ is Hamaru there will be no way to not let me believe that Kishi is Sasuke biggest fan. Since the day Hamaru was mention am still waiting for his introduction in the story that way I can see Kishi a little less than a massive Sasuke fanboy.

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 02:45 PM

Yeah, it's something like, "So long as we live under the same sky, silently and strongly, for that day, I wait." I only know that because I see it everywhere as evidence for SS. It's funny because Kishi doesn't even write those texts, they're added in by the editor.
 
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Really? Never knew that.

Anyway get stronger for what day? What was she supposed to have gotten stronger for? The day she reunites with him and tries to forcibly take him back to the village? How romantic.

Meh I still think Kishi went a little far with SS to begin with, making Sakura's feelings ambigious and a total mystery until LOI didn't help either and even then thats debated by people here.

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 02:45 PM

who the kittening is Hamaru? :lol:  maybe you meant Hamura, the Hagoromo's brother?


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#554 Don-kun

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 04:36 PM

I was like Hamaru or Hamura not sure lets use Hamaru.
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#555 Sojobo

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 09:08 PM

Kakashi and Sakura are all alone again. Will they talk about Obito?

I had the impression that Sakura was interested in Obito, like the reason he wanted to die, and the reason he turned evil.

So there is a chance that Kakashi talk about him to her, about his love interest, wich you know guys that this could lead to a NS hint or NS moment.

 

Hope Minato and other Hokage will come soon, and that Naruto's father supports NS before leaving.

If Minato supports it even now, than there will be no doubt anymore, Kishi can do lots lots SS/NH moment (oneside all the time, obviousily), it won't change what the father did say about Sakura and Naruto.

 

Come on Kishi, let's finish this annoying pairing war...



#556 TouKen4Life3g

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 09:16 PM

Pretty much. A rebound will kill all. No more excuses. Even though I still think there shouldn't be now but whatever. One last chance.

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 09:27 PM

Even though I still think there shouldn't be now but whatever. One last chance.

Yeah but, manga will end soon, so if Kishi wants to begin final NS developpement, it's right now.

I have the impression that Sakura forgot about Naruto's feelings towards her. Am I the only one who found it weird to not having a simple conversation about what happened in Iron Village?

 

It's like they are running away.

I want them to talk about it, and especially see Naruto confess his feelings. Cause this is what Naruto planned to do to begin with, confess his love to Sakura.

And knowing it from Sai is not the same as having Naruto in front of her.

 

Minato was meant to see Naruto's futur girlfriend before leaving this world and talk to Kushina to not worry about the girl he fell in love with.

I'm not surprised that Minato never met and will never meet Hinata in the manga.



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 10:01 PM

Yeah, when Minato talked to Sakura, I knew I shouldn't taken account with Hinata anymore.



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 10:41 PM

I am just going to say this:

Who are we to say what is an "acceptable" reason to be evil and what isn't? Just like opinions, our weaknesses are all different. We all hold something sentimential in something that can push us over the edge. Some people can be really emotional after losing the family dog and other might just say "Well, it was just a stupid animal. Stop crying." One anime literally has a character go evil because someone killed his dog. Would you all find this more or less acceptable than Obito's reason?

It wasn't Rin's death alone that drove him to the dark side. He was also heavily influenced by Madara who promised him things. Do you think Obito would have been evil if Madara never got to him? He'd be dead really. Not only that, but we have other villains who were evil for even lesser reasons.

Orochimaru was evil because he didn't want to die. He wanted immortality.

As well, there are so many characters who have tragics pasts and didn't go evil. Let's make a comparison.

Why did Madara become evil? He became evil because his brothers were killed in a war and he was jealous of everyone loving Hashirama.
Hashirama lost brothers too in the same war and he still became good. So basically, jealousy is what drove Madara evil.

Sasuke lost his family and became an anti-hero seeking revenge. Then he turned evil because Danzo forced Itachi into that situation. Then he became an an anti-hero again for no real reason.
Naruto has no parents, everyone hated him in the beginning and saw him as a monster and he was mostly alone. Did he become evil? No.
Gaara too. Whole clan hated him, saw him as a monster, etc and he eventually became good. (Not only that, but both Naruto and Gaara both had parents that wanted the best for them and nobody listened.)

 

Obito became evil due to Rin dying and Madara's corruption.
Tsunade lost her lover too and she didn't become evil. Just depressed.

So basically whatever villain you want to bring into the equation to explain their reasons what you deem "acceptable" is really a subjective view and I could easily say all reasons for their bad behavior is unacceptable with them all being spoiled brats and throwing a hissy fit because they didn't get what they wanted. Orochimaru's reason for being evil is even less than Obito's reasons, but I don't see anyone really complaining about this one....and he was a major villain in the beginning. Kabuto also had weak reasons for being evil and he was only semi-tragic.

So here is a better idea: what has been the best reason why some turned evil and we shall go from there. We will go down the list from best to worst. I'll say right now, Obito's reason are not the best, but they are not the worst either.

Is there any good reason to become evil for that matter? As I said above, we all have breaking points and some are more harsh than others. Obito's case is not too far off from what I have seen of others. I know this guy who lost his father to cancer. After that, he became a total ass and sold drugs on the side even getting into gang warefare. I have seen people become bad over less reasons. Trust me.


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#560 Sakamaki Izayoi

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 11:04 PM

I am just going to say this:

Who are we to say what is an "acceptable" reason to be evil and what isn't? Just like opinions, our weaknesses are all different. We all hold something sentimential in something that can push us over the edge. Some people can be really emotional after losing the family dog and other might just say "Well, it was just a stupid animal. Stop crying." One anime literally has a character go evil because someone killed his dog. Would you all find this more or less acceptable than Obito's reason?

It wasn't Rin's death alone that drove him to the dark side. He was also heavily influenced by Madara who promised him things. Do you think Obito would have been evil if Madara never got to him? He'd be dead really. Not only that, but we have other villains who were evil for even lesser reasons.

Madara promised him nothing, he ranted the world was trash and etc... and Rin died after that he was muh rage and went evil.
And psuhed him over the edge to a point that he was going to destroy his village when he had a place to return.
His actions were without thinking and it can shown how he was "easily" converted by Naruto whom only needed to show him that his whole life should not be around Rin.
 

Orochimaru was evil because he didn't want to die. He wanted immortality.

Orochimaru was evil because he wanted to amass power and jutsus, his ambition was to reach the same state Madara reached.
 

As well, there are so many characters who have tragics pasts and didn't go evil. Let's make a comparison.

Why did Madara become evil? He became evil because his brothers were killed in a war and he was jealous of everyone loving Hashirama.
Hashirama lost brothers too in the same war and he still became good. So basically, jealousy is what drove Madara evil.

Also you must take in mind how they are redeemed, it completely destroy their characters.
Look at Nagato, he went Evil because his emotions during the moments Yahiko died, then later he's redeemed just by Naruto reminding him about his vow that he'd made on a distant past.
Obito give up his fight against Naruto/Sasuke when he was close to achieve his goals because of Rin.
Dont see how stupid it is?
It's not just the reasons but also how Naruto redeem those guys it's completely retarded.
 

Sasuke lost his family and became an anti-hero seeking revenge. Then he turned evil because Danzo forced Itachi into that situation. Then he became an an anti-hero again for no real reason.
Naruto has no parents, everyone hated him in the beginning and saw him as a monster and he was mostly alone. Did he become evil? No.
Gaara too. Whole clan hated him, saw him as a monster, etc and he eventually became good. (Not only that, but both Naruto and Gaara both had parents that wanted the best for them and nobody listened.)

Nope, Sasuke's result on evilness is that he was being manipulated the whole time, he only wanted to seek revenge on his life and sacrificed his bonds to achieve it then it turns into nothing because Itachi was good all along he wanted to blame someome else and his ego prevented him from seeing he was wrong since the begining.
It's not reasonable for him to take revenge on Konoha but it's understandable for him to seek that path, he was made to believe Itachi was evil and he should had eliminate him at all costs just to later discover that the truth is not it.
 

So basically whatever villain you want to bring into the equation to explain their reasons what you deem "acceptable" is really a subjective view and I could easily say all reasons for their bad behavior is unacceptable with them all being spoiled brats and throwing a hissy fit because they didn't get what they wanted. Orochimaru's reason for being evil is even less than Obito's reasons, but I don't see anyone really complaining about this one....and he was a major villain in the beginning. Kabuto also had weak reasons for being evil and he was only semi-tragic.

I'll take Naruto as an example.
He's the character who had all the reasons of the world to become evil but he didnt on a forced manner and there's lots of inconsistences.

1st - His dream to become hokage
- Naruto wants to become hokage so the people of the village will acknowledge him
Inconsistence - The people of the village hated him, it wasnt a case of acknowledgement, they treated him like trash and a monster leading a difficult childhood.

2nd - Heritage.
- Hokage prevents people from knowing about that his parents saved the village by sacrificing themselves and sealing the kyuubi on their own son.
- That would take out the hatred of the villagers towards Naruto on the equation.
Inconsistence - Sandaime tells that hiding it from the villagers is for Naruto's safety, however his enemies knew about his background, Akatsuki, Danzou and Orochimaru knew he was the son of the hokage.
So for what purpose?

3rd - Naruto saves the village(Pain arc)
Inconsistence - not a single villager comes out to apologize Naruto.
They suddenly forgot that they treated him like trash on his infancy and no one come out to speak with him about it.

I never understood Naruto's reason to be on the good path, never, his will to be hokage has any reasonable explanation, he forgives his villains so easily and his decision always pass unchalenged, he passed three years training his jinchuuriki powers with Jiraiya and didnt even knew that there were like 8 people around like him and they needed help and what he does? Pass the entire part 2 on missions to "Save" Sasuke who didnt asked to be saved, it's really the most unappealing hero i've ever see on as shounen.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 02 August 2014 - 11:10 PM.

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