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#24441 T XD

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 06:36 PM

‘‘We talked to Kishimoto and he gave us the green light to do what ever we want. The reason why we’ve been animating Sakura so poorly is because we really need to save up money for the new movie. This has always been our tactic. [laughs]’‘ - Studio Pierott animation director

The movie has been set on January 15th 2018 and the first trailer will be out this fall."
 

Say what ?

 

They show side characters of the previous generation, but not Sakura cause they're low on money ? They should instead not showing a side character or two to have Sakura shown up. This is favoritism shown in all its colors.

 

And on top of that, Kishimoto is like saying : " I know what's happening. Let them do whatever they want. Just leave me alone ".



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Posted 03 July 2017 - 12:57 AM

check this video 



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Posted 03 July 2017 - 03:19 AM

check this video 

 

Too generous with Naruto. Way too generous. Naruto started stumbling after the first timeskip and was driven into the ground upon the start of the Shinobi War Arc.


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Behold! Akame ga Kill's True Canon Pairing!


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Posted 03 July 2017 - 05:09 AM

check this video 

I think he wants to be as neutral / unbiass as possible and secondly ... maybe he doesn't want the video to be too long. But i disagree with 50% of the video. Like Bleach is the worse? worse than Naruto ?? come on .... Hunter X Hunter is bad ?? that to me is BS , but maybe it comes down to individual preference.


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Posted 03 July 2017 - 06:50 AM

Bleach is only worse in entertainment due to slow pacing. Naruto is train wreck but entertainment for all the wrong reason. So...I guess it depends on how you want your entertainment.

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 07:04 AM

Honestly the last arc in Bleach was far better then the war arc in Naruto or anything after that. I honestly think without the anime breathing down his neck Kubo was able to tell his story at his own pace and did it well...until the very end where the executives told him to wrap it up.



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Posted 03 July 2017 - 10:28 AM

I think he wants to be as neutral / unbiass as possible and secondly ... maybe he doesn't want the video to be too long. But i disagree with 50% of the video. Like Bleach is the worse? worse than Naruto ?? come on .... Hunter X Hunter is bad ?? that to me is BS , but maybe it comes down to individual preference.


Ya that's how it usually is with individual preference and that's why no one can agree without being an kitten, I'd say sports rivalry are better than anime fandom.

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 10:31 AM

Honestly the last arc in Bleach was far better then the war arc in Naruto or anything after that. I honestly think without the anime breathing down his neck Kubo was able to tell his story at his own pace and did it well...until the very end where the executives told him to wrap it up.


Yes bleaches last was better til the last six chapter aside from 685, it's better than naruto, it least ichigo didn't ywach the most awesome guy ever after everything he did (cough, cough naruto).

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 12:04 PM

The thing with the War arc is that it could have been done far better I mean there have been lots of other media that have done Wars better as well.


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Posted 03 July 2017 - 12:21 PM

Hinata trip over a rock is the best thing that happen in the war arc.


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Posted 03 July 2017 - 12:47 PM

The thing with the War arc is that it could have been done far better I mean there have been lots of other media that have done Wars better as well.

There was some good ideas but the excaution of them sucked, I mean they could have made kaguya work somehow but no force her in the last 20 chapters and her only good moment was her killing obito finally. Like the ninja Storm games namely ninja storm 3 was a great recreation of the war and had a better ending fight. Best part hinata wasn't in it safe for an image.
 

Hinata trip over a rock is the best thing that happen in the war arc.

The was the best and her just staying there while naruto is dying and Sakura save trying her damnest to save him, while goddess hinata has her face in the dirty nothing trying to save naruto, point Sakura.

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 06:23 PM

I'm actually surprised SP kept Hinata's tripping in the anime.

I was expecting them to completely change the scene and have her rushing to save her precious "Naruto-kun!" only to have Kurama's chakra run out just before she gets there and she ends up collapsing from exhaustion, but not before she crawls a few more feet, desperately trying to reach Naruto and looking oh so heroic and selfless and such.


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Posted 03 July 2017 - 07:01 PM

I'm actually surprised SP kept Hinata's tripping in the anime.

I was expecting them to completely change the scene and have her rushing to save her precious "Naruto-kun!" only to have Kurama's chakra run out just before she gets there and she ends up collapsing from exhaustion, but not before she crawls a few more feet, desperately trying to reach Naruto and looking oh so heroic and selfless and such.

They would never cut a Hinata scene. Also since it involved her racing towards Naruto when he was dying. They probably consider it both romantic that she was gallantly racing towards her true love to save his life and tragic that she failed to reach him due to tripping leaving her with only prayers to her dead cousin to save him. So because of that SP for that episode focused entirely on that scene making sure it was utterly beautiful in order to cover up what the event of Sasuke and Naruto dying was really about*. Also from how I understand it because they also focus solely on that scene it was the straw that broke the camel's back for most of the Japanese fanbase since SP cared more for some side character tripping (granted this was shown after the last was in theaters, so she was post-mortem the love interest) then the deaths of the two main characters in that episode.   

 

Kishimoto on the other hand, if you look at the events that were happening during the "tripping". IE Naruto and Sasuke were both dying at the time. Who was fighting to save their lives? Sakura and Karin. *So, I theorize that Kishimoto was still on board with NS/SK by this point; with him not seeing the appeal of nH and utterly hating SS. He originally intended it to just involve Sakura and Karin fighting to save Naruto and Sasuke life. But his editor realized that if Hinata was not involved in this in any way shape or form then she is completely written off of having any chance as the love interest. No matter what they and SP were scheming to do with the Last. So they demanded that he include Hinata in the saving of Naruto's life. KIshimoto's father was dying at the time so he relented and gave them partially what they wanted. He gave them an inch and they took the whole story out from under him after that, which they been trying to do since the Pein arc.


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 04 July 2017 - 05:21 AM.


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Posted 05 July 2017 - 05:11 PM

They would never cut a Hinata scene. Also since it involved her racing towards Naruto when he was dying. They probably consider it both romantic that she was gallantly racing towards her true love to save his life and tragic that she failed to reach him due to tripping leaving her with only prayers to her dead cousin to save him. So because of that SP for that episode focused entirely on that scene making sure it was utterly beautiful in order to cover up what the event of Sasuke and Naruto dying was really about*. Also from how I understand it because they also focus solely on that scene it was the straw that broke the camel's back for most of the Japanese fanbase since SP cared more for some side character tripping (granted this was shown after the last was in theaters, so she was post-mortem the love interest) then the deaths of the two main characters in that episode.   

 

Kishimoto on the other hand, if you look at the events that were happening during the "tripping". IE Naruto and Sasuke were both dying at the time. Who was fighting to save their lives? Sakura and Karin. *So, I theorize that Kishimoto was still on board with NS/SK by this point; with him not seeing the appeal of nH and utterly hating SS. He originally intended it to just involve Sakura and Karin fighting to save Naruto and Sasuke life. But his editor realized that if Hinata was not involved in this in any way shape or form then she is completely written off of having any chance as the love interest. No matter what they and SP were scheming to do with the Last. So they demanded that he include Hinata in the saving of Naruto's life. KIshimoto's father was dying at the time so he relented and gave them partially what they wanted. He gave them an inch and they took the whole story out from under him after that, which they been trying to do since the Pein arc.

There's also the fact that with every Hinata "moment" (claimed or otherwise) throughout the entire story, they are NEVER revisited within the story itself.(And that's on top of Hinata herself only showing up every 50 to 200 chapters, with only a fraction of those times being even in the same panel as Naruto,(

Hinata in the Chunin Exams? Never brought up again, especially given her "moment" was for developing NEJI, not Hinata herself.

Hinata's (selfish) confession? Never brought up again. Literally forgotten about as soon as the battle was over, with Naruto and Sakura's hug and Hinata herself way in the back.

Hinata's hand-holding? Never brought up again. Completely forgotten about as soon as the battle begins and completely overshadowed by both Minato's interaction with Naruto and Sakura AND the tripping.

Chapter 700? Nothing. Can't even show Naruto and Hinata together. They were shown completely separate, not as a single family.

This is the entire purpose of The Last. No matter how much Kishi and SP try to claim otherwise, everyone with any common sense knows that The Last's SOLE purpose was to try to shove in such missing details, and even retcon important moments, in order to justify NH happening. It was nothing but a "love" story and an extremely poor and obvious one. It's like trying to say a Dragon Ball film isn't about fighting, only for 9/10 of the film to be nothing but fighting.


 


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Posted 06 July 2017 - 02:20 PM

I wouldn't say that there was not much romance in the Manga. Actually, the small stepping stones over the course of many in-universe-years you mentioned, are in my opinion much more worth than anyone could show the audience in a short time frame like in The Last. It furthermore feels much more genuine and natural.
But then again, it depends a lot on the own personal views on romance.
Personally I love the amount of romance Kishi put in it, because it is sparsely enough to not distract from the main plot lines, but always subtle enough there to keep things going. Honestly, without any pairing bias, the only thing that went totally wrong was Sakura's for love for Sasuke - because we simply don't see it in a way, to make us grasp it.
NS and NH were handled okayish, although it didn't go at the end like I personally would have wanted it.^^ It made at least sense.
Of course not to mention that an NS route during the last third/fourth of the Manga would have been sooo much better in every aspect (+ Sakura focus like you wrote) , but well, you can't have everything, can you? :D


The Last is a nice movie; the romance in Naruto was more important than in other series', so it was clear that it had to be addressed somehow at the end, no matter how (In the last chapters or a extra movie like here), or which pairing happened.

The movie did this job, but it had many poor aspects:

-Too much focus on romance, what made the movie feel extremely awkward.

-NH was built up during the last parts of the manga; the movie ignored too much of what was written in the Manga, and makes Naruto look like an total idiot.
Which in reverse makes his love for Hinata look ridiculous.

-Other inconsistencies.

-And of course for us: How NS was handled.
It's not totally bad, with great. allusions to the fake confession scene; but all in all not satisfying enough. Like the things that were implicated, or that it felt like there were things in the air, that weren't talked about.

-Too much unresolved points.


To sum it up:
I don't think The Last is there to 'justify' NH or something like that, enough of it was already there in the Manga; the movie is pure fan-service.
But it is a bad movie in it's core aspect, the romance and doesn't the much else beside romance, which is extremely disappointing for 'the last' movie.

Edited by Aevrum, 06 July 2017 - 02:22 PM.


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Posted 06 July 2017 - 08:08 PM

I think the Last needed that focus on romance though. It's fault isn't that, more that it wasn't long enough. The Last does help fix a lot of NH issues. (Isn't every movie fan-service, technically?), but it could have been better if Kishimoto had chosen to better utilize romance in his manga. If he did, the latter parts of the Manga would have worked better and the Last wouldn't have had to focus so much on romance, giving more time for other things without making the Last drudgingly long.
 
I don't think the Last did the best job of making NS clearly resolved either, I don't think the one line was enough. (As an aside, I did enjoy that fond moment where Naruto saves Sakura when her painted bird is destroyed. Even if you don't ship NS, you have to really appreciate their relationship in this moment.).Again, I think the blame goes to Kishimoto here as well. If he had made it more clear/spent more time on this, it would have been better set for the movie to be successful, and to really enrichen things, particularly around Toneri, whose motives could have used some brushing up.
 
As you see, I blame Kishimoto specifically for a lot of faults. I guess his Editors have their place in things, but as the head, I think it goes to his plate.

Isn't that what I wrote? That the Last needed a slight focus on romance? And that's what I meant with fanservice, I wasn't trying to use it negatively.

The thing is - it HAD to be longer. They were also a lot of other things that were unresolved beside NH.

The most important thing is: What exactly did the movie resolve between Naruto and Hinata?
Including new pasts? Or making Naruto into an idiot, that after the Pain Arc and what happened during the war still somehow didn't understand that Hinata romantically loves him? Or that he somehow instantly falls in love with her after seeing how much she always loved him?

The Last is romantically a catastrophe; You are right, it resolves many things between the two that absolutely needed to be resolved - but not without destroying and ignoring many things that were built up in terms of NH in the Manga, only to build up a less realistic new construct.

It ignores the few things that make NH unique and becomes a boring sappy soap romance in fast forward mode. [And includes the ridiculous and stall Kaguya + Doujutsu plot lines as a frame, but that is a matter of taste]

It's still a nice movie, with all its visuals, music's and nostalgia - but is not completely compatible with how the Manga ended.


I think Kishi was on a very good way with how he used romance, for a very veery long time. The last 200 chapters or so, the whole Manga was rushed, which made the romance to take a backseat.
You are right, more romance resolvement at the end, rather than in the movie would have worked much better (like I wrote in my first post - I always thought that we would get a lot of romance resolvement in the last chapters), but the romance is not the only thing that suffered in Naruto during the end.

NS is a tricky thing in such a movie - you also can't give it too much time, because it is a NH movie.


But then again, a lot could have been so much easier and better if Kishi had simply continued with the path NS was going during the Manga, before he shot it off.
I mean, EVERYTHING was there for a great romance [NS is still the main and most interesting romance plot in Naruto although it has a sad ending], he included the many things, scenes and drama aspects that made me love it. I even like the not happy ending - it conveys a whole own selfless message in it, that I cherish.

Edited by Aevrum, 06 July 2017 - 08:16 PM.


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Posted 07 July 2017 - 01:28 AM

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 01:37 PM

@analyzer
I disagree, naruto may be an idiot but he's not an emotionally retard guy who can't differentiate between a romantic love and food. That just an excuse to make Hinata naruto first love which is idiotic on itself.

And then the fact that naruto capable to do kage bushin at academy days is butchering establish canon fact.

On top of that naruto love sakura because he want to one up sasuke when there's no evidence in the manga and even if that true then why don't he go to ino which more beautiful and has more than sakura who is just your ordinary fan girl?

That doesn't mention Hinata sudden amnesia to walk on wall, naruto perfect jinchuriki genjutsu immunity and how the kitten sakura capable to become immune to genjutsu that genjutsu a perfect jinchuriki.

This movie is canon and it take two years to make it as that's the best thing they can do?
Heck a rush naruto movie (road to ninja) do better than that.

The last has supreme animation quality though.

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 02:31 PM

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The movie make naruto an emotionally retard guy by making him can't differentiate between confession and love for food. He can't oblivious when hinata make a love confession, he should know that Hinata is in love him and he may or may not answer her confession.
And naruto can't understand about love when he can tell that sakura lie with her confession and when he aware when to confess to sakura and ask his mother love life. So it's a retard move In order to justifies naruto not answering Hinata suciadal confession.

My point is ino is better (fan)girl than sakura in universes wise but uzumaki always has a hot for strong boy/girl that's why he love sakura :fu:
She's in team 7 in order to make one side love triangle.

She doesn't drained chakra, that thing happen in order to make dramatic romantic scene(the transferring red scarft from Hinata to naruto).

Perfect jinchuriki genjutsu immunity already establish in sasuke vs killer bee. So it already long time ago, 5-6 years before the movie.

Kage bushin is a plot hole that should not happen especially when the movie is consider canon. But yeah I'm aware that they will just simply hand wave it.

It take two years to produce, more than average naruto movie that take one year to make or even less (road to ninja). And it also explain the quality of the animation.


If the last is non canon then all of this thing could just ignore.

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 03:04 PM

I don't know if it is terrible but I think it just continues the questionable and rushed things they seem to have been doing towards the end of naruto. Obviously naruto is dense to a lot of things as said throughout the manga, but I'd argue through narutos pain, he knows about love as much as anyone. I think sakura is the one who doesn't know what love is (I'm not saying that she loved naruto deep down or anything, I'd like to think so but a little late) because of her development of love for sasuke that had no basis or real reasoning for it. I guess it wasn't a bad movie but what hurts it is the lack of development from the writing to reach that point where they were and the turn they took. Also With sakuras talk with naruto about only loving her to compete with sasuke definitely did not provide closure for many. Why didn't naruto respond? Have him acknowledge it and talk about it for a sentence or two. I still think that was a poor backpedal for his love of Sakura but it would have helped. He didn't even confirm or deny it. How would she know why he loved her or not? She never seemed to think that way before. So I guess for the most part peoples gripe was what led up to the movie not the movie in itself although there were still flaws





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