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[totherpage95]

some news: there will be a 4 week naruto anime which seems to be about naruto part 1 coming in September

[Bail o' Lies]

Some news: there will be a 4 week naruto anime which seems to be about naruto part 1 coming in September

Oh did no one post that yet? Yeah they are doing a recap of Naruto in anime form. Think that video from last year. It feels like the rest of the stuff happening recently. That the companies are sick of Naruto-Boruto not making them the money they were promised. So there doing all this stuff to see where they can get money or is Naruto-Boruto just dead.

 

Its the same reason we got the two side manga and the poll winning one shot. Same reason they are having CC2 do a new Naruto-Boruto game. Same reason why they had Ikemoto speed up his manga to end part one so they could do part two with a new title in hopes of separating it from part one.

 

I mean think about it: when SP asked Kishi to do a filler arc in the war he came up with that ninja asking Sakura out and him asking if the guy she likes was a great person (and you see Sakura having this unsure expression). I really think he was attempting to show Naruto fans that Sakura loving Sasuke wasn't a good thing. also he spent the rest of the war arc having Sakura have a fake smile when she was around Sasuke to the point where Sai noticed it and on top of that had the part where Karin and Sakura went and saved Sasuke and Naruto respectively and of course the toxic behavior and rejection Sasuke gave Sakura

Kishimoto hates SS so he went on disparaging it until the last minute he was forced to make it the end pairing. Then he continued in the gaiden. He didn't care enough about Hinata to do anything to Hinata other than make her trip. But he still ended up damaging that by not making it perfect like her fans wanted.

 

Not even sp's normal writer they hired some romance tv person who knew nothing about Naruto

Remember that before writing it he was given the scenes from the anime staff gave them. Which were all the filler Hinata scenes they made in the anime.

 

That always felt that the staff were trying to protect their movie while letting any of them get the blame if it flop by giving the role to a respected third party writer. Then molding him into their way of thinking. Even then you still have the contradictions and problems the movie had.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 01 August 2023 - 05:04 AM.

[totherpage95]

Hope the recap is good i wasn't a big fan of when they added new openings to naruto or that video last year

[totherpage95]

It's lowkey strange that kishimoto hasn't done fleshed out backstories or even last names for some characters

[Nefertieh]

From this article here https://www.animenew...omic-con/.94186

Mari Morimoto:
So the fans wanted Naruto to get together with Sakura?

Well, there's definitely camps of fans who felt that way, and there were also those that were very happy he ended up with Hinata. But there were quite passionate opinions on both sides!

I almost caused a rift in my own household too, because my wife was very upset also that Naruto didn't get together with Sakura. In fact, she complained quite vehemently to me!

Jo Otsuki:
Quite few of the female staff at Studio Pierrot that produces the anime, apparently were also upset.

Whoah. So how did you handle that, especially with your wife?

I tried to defuse the situation by assuring my wife that SHE was actually the model for Hinata. (laughs)

As you were saying that, I thought, I wonder if your family life was more like Hinata and Naruto's family or Sasuke and Sakura's? (everyone laughs)

Masashi Kishiimoto: Well it might not actually be like either. My wife is quite strong as well, she's a strong character.

Oh, so kind of like Sakura!

So I think my wife might secretly realize that Hinata wasn't really the model for her (laughs)

Thanks for that, I must have forgotten about the last part of that interview. However, it seems like he said he thinks it would lead to tension in the house, but it was fine for the time being. In either case, I take his interviews even less seriously than the manga ending. There was that other interview, where the guy next to him said his favourite character was Hinata, and Kishis reply was you like big bosomed girls? Barf.

Remember that before writing it he was given the scenes from the anime staff gave them. Which were all the filler Hinata scenes they made in the anime.
 
That always felt that the staff were trying to protect their movie while letting any of them get the blame if it flop by giving the role to a respected third party writer. Then molding him into their way of thinking. Even then you still have the contradictions and problems the movie had.

One thing that always struck me as funny was how they essentially stole the Sakura/ Ino rivalry to kill narusaku. The part where Sakura explains Naruto pursued her because of his rivalry with Sasuke. That explanation makes no sense, its just lazy plagiarism.

Edit: spelling

Edited by Nefertieh, 25 July 2023 - 12:23 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

One thing that always struck me as funny was how they essentially stole the Sakura/ Ino rivalry to kill narusaku. The part where Sakura explains Naruto perused her because of his rivalry with Sasuke. That explanation makes no sense, its just lazy plagiarism.

It also pisses me off because all it did was make Sakura seem like she was USING Naruto to get what she wanted, ruining her in the process while doing the same to Naruto and his empathy!

[Kagomaru]

It also pisses me off because all it did was make Sakura seem like she was USING Naruto to get what she wanted, ruining her in the process while doing the same to Naruto and his empathy!

And the fact that Naruto doesn't even deny it makes it worse. Especially when you recall that the *real* reason Sakura and Ino fought over Sasuke was a pretext so that Sakura could be included within a group among her peers and avoid being ostracized over her forehead.

 

Thanks for that, I must have forgotten about the last part of that interview. However, it seems like he said he thinks it would lead to tension in the house, but it was fine for the time being. In either case, I take his interviews even less seriously than the manga ending. There was that other interview, where the guy next to him said his favourite character was Hinata, and Kishis reply was you like big bosomed girls? Barf.
 

As he said in the interview, it nearly caused a rift in his own household when he made Hinata Naruto's wife because his wife was deeply upset and was constantly arguing with him about it. It isn't implied that he feared it as a possibility of happening, It literally was occurring at the moment.  As for his comment about Hinata, while sexist, it emphasized once again how little he thought of her compared to her godforsaken fanbase because he has openly stated in past interviews that he doesn't understand her appeal.  In his mind, she served her purpose after the Chunin exams, and her moment against Pain (which was expanded and recontextualized in the anime by her SP fanboys to make her seem more cool and sympathetic as a character than she actually was) was her final hurrah.   Whenever he talked about Hinata, it seemed to range from dismissive to almost mockingly contemptuous.  

Edited by Kagomaru, 24 July 2023 - 05:52 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

It's lowkey strange that kishimoto hasn't done fleshed out backstories or even last names for some characters

Kishimoto generally only does an initial story of a character and they only get more if they interest him. He doesn't go into a character if he doesn't have to.

 

Last names have to do with clans in Japan. If you are not part of a clan, you don't have a last name. They only went everyone has a last name, during the Meiji period due to modernization and westernization. But, it is still not considered that strange for a character to only have a first name in Japan for a manga character, especially if set in a more feudal time.

 

Kushina and the Uzumaki just being the most notable.

 

Originally, Kushina didn't exist and the Uzumaki clan only existed to hide that the Fourth Hokage was Naruto's father. The Uzumaki clan was originally just some random important clan the 4th married into. Which is another misunderstanding the West has as they think Naruto's true name is Naruto Namikaze when it still is Uzumaki, Naruto. Originally, everything Naruto had was either from his father (his looks, rasengan, & seals) or Kurama (chakra, stamina, & regeneration.) With only his name coming from his mother's side of the family. Then, Kishimoto's wife asked about Naruto's mother. So he made Kushina based off her, and since his type is Sakura-like women; Kushina was a very Sakura-like character. Then, to add more to the Naruto-Sasuke conflict, he tied the Uzumaki clan into that hot mess. To make them more important, they got several powers that were originally either Minato's or Kurama's: seals, large reserve of Chakra, stamina, and regeneration.

 

Of course this causes problems as even his biggest defenders question, why did Naruto never learn any sealing techniques?

 

Thanks for that, I must have forgotten about the last part of that interview. However, it seems like he said he thinks it would lead to tension in the house, but it was fine for the time being. In either case, I take his interviews even less seriously than the manga ending. There was that other interview, where the guy next to him said his favorite character was Hinata, and Kishis reply was you like big bosomed girls? Barf.

One thing that always struck me as funny was how they essentially stole the Sakura/Ino rivalry to kill Narusaku. The part where Sakura explains Naruto perused her because of his rivalry with Sasuke. That explanation makes no sense, its just lazy plagiarism.

That's the same interview he called SS toxic and cliché. I take that as Kishimoto finally looking into his fanbase. One of the first things you learn about nH, even if you don't dive deep, is they are obsessed with her breast, that are bigger than Sakura's, and its one of her major points in her favor.

 

An important thing about Sakura in the last is she is the one pushing the two together and she is presented as the one that understands Naruto the most. Though of course doesn't love him, as only Hinata has or ever will love him or is even allowed to love him. So while it is the staff using rivalry to dismiss NS it is suppose to be accurate. With Naruto silence as agreement. Originally, he was suppose to vocally agree and go further but Junko refused to say the lines.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 25 July 2023 - 05:20 AM.

[Nefertieh]

 
As he said in the interview, it nearly caused a rift in his own household when he made Hinata Naruto's wife because his wife was deeply upset and was constantly arguing with him about it. It isn't implied that he feared it as a possibility of happening, It literally was occurring at the moment. 

I meant that the order of events was Kishi made nH -> wife got upset -> Kishi lies about how shes the basis for Hinata -> wife buys it, no tension (at least until she figures it out). Whereas BlueStar made it sound more like Kishi made nH -> wife got upset -> Kishi lies about how shes the basis for Hinata -> wife doesnt buy it, tension still in the house.

As for his comment about Hinata, while sexist, it emphasized once again how little he thought of her compared to her godforsaken fanbase because he has openly stated in past interviews that he doesn't understand her appeal.  In his mind, she served her purpose after the Chunin exams, and her moment against Pain (which was expanded and recontextualized in the anime by her SP fanboys to make her seem more cool and sympathetic as a character than she actually was) was her final hurrah.   Whenever he talked about Hinata, it seemed to range from dismissive to almost mockingly contemptuous.  

Well, there was also that interview where he said he thought for a while about replacing Sakura in the story with Hinata.

Edited by Nefertieh, 25 July 2023 - 12:33 PM.

[Namaenash]

From this article here https://www.animenew...omic-con/.94186

Mari Morimoto:
So the fans wanted Naruto to get together with Sakura?

Well, there's definitely camps of fans who felt that way, and there were also those that were very happy he ended up with Hinata. But there were quite passionate opinions on both sides!

I almost caused a rift in my own household too, because my wife was very upset also that Naruto didn't get together with Sakura. In fact, she complained quite vehemently to me!

Jo Otsuki:
Quite few of the female staff at Studio Pierrot that produces the anime, apparently were also upset.

Whoah. So how did you handle that, especially with your wife?

I tried to defuse the situation by assuring my wife that SHE was actually the model for Hinata. (laughs)

As you were saying that, I thought, I wonder if your family life was more like Hinata and Naruto's family or Sasuke and Sakura's? (everyone laughs)

Masashi Kishiimoto: Well it might not actually be like either. My wife is quite strong as well, she's a strong character.

Oh, so kind of like Sakura!

So I think my wife might secretly realize that Hinata wasn't really the model for her (laughs)

Ah yes, I remember reading this article back in 2015.

The interview that ends all Kishimotos interviews. His career as a mangaka pretty much went downhill from that point onwards. I suppose hes already wealthy enough and he can retire.

You can tell that hes trying hard to do damage control. They knew theyre loosing a segment of the customer with the ending. They just dont know the magnitude of killing NS (more than ~95% manga sales drop if we go by the stats).

Fast forward, Naruto franchise is not even in top 50 annual sales. His new manga barely sold 10k copies per volume and was cancelled at volume 5. Hes forced to return to Boruto, and took it over from the previous writer, only to have its sales continue declining.

[Bail o' Lies]

I meant that the order of events was Kishi made nH -> wife got upset -> Kishi lies about how she's the basis for Hinata -> wife buys it, no tension (at least until she figures it out). Whereas BlueStar made it sound more like Kishi made nH -> wife got upset -> Kishi lies about how she's the basis for Hinata -> wife doesn't buy it, tension still in the house.

Well, there was also that interview where he said he thought for a while about replacing Sakura in the story with Hinata.

Right, I want you to imagine this: You are married to a famous writer. There is a romance in his most well known work, that is incredibly well received. The main female character who is the love interest is as far as you know is incredibly beloved, well received, and no one seems to hate her in any way. Now, when people you first meet talk to you, they eventually go, "Wait. Excuse me, your last name is 'X' are you related to or the wife of the famous writer Mr. 'X'?" You say, "yes." "Oh clearly, he based the main heroine off of you cause you are exactly like her. You must having a loving relationship like they do." Now, that goes on for years. And as far as you are concern, it is that loving its just he is busy at work. Now, when you ask you husband about the main character's mother he says publicly is based her off you. That character is clearly a Expy of the main heroine, no one you know thinks otherwise. Now then, suddenly to everyone's shock the main character does not marry the main heroine but some other random chick most people you know can barely recall existing. You had no clue it was happening either. Yes, your husband has been acting different for the past few months, but you largely chalk that up to the passing of his father. Now, likely the entire day you are getting message of sympathy because clearly something must be going wrong in your marriage for your husband to do this, because everyone else you know has also gotten used to the idea the main characters' pairing reflects your marriage. Your husband comes home. You ask. He makes excuses. How do you feel?

 

For what it matters, they haven't divorce as far as I know, and they did have more kids after the ending of Naruto. So, I suspect he actually told what happen eventually. She wasn't happy. Once the data came in that the nH/SS was the worse decision financially, neither was he. So they largely patch things up, helped that Kishimoto was able to spend more time with the family. 

 

Ah yes, I remember reading this article back in 2015.

The interview that ends all Kishimoto's interviews. His career as a mangaka pretty much went downhill from that point onwards. I suppose he's already wealthy enough and he can retire.

You can tell that he's trying hard to do damage control. They knew they're loosing a segment of the customer with the ending. They just don't know the magnitude of killing NS (more than ~95% manga sales drop if we go by the stats).

Fast forward, Naruto franchise is not even in top 50 annual sales. His new manga barely sold 10k copies per volume and was cancelled at volume 5. He's forced to return to Boruto, and took it over from the previous writer, only to have its sales continue declining.

To be fair, almost every interview he had since the ending has been trying to damage control in someway.

 

If that's the interview that did it. Then it probably because its the one he had a ComicCon as promotion for the Boruto movie. Most of his interviews are in Japan so they have to filter through both people bringing them into a more international form and who is translating it.

 

Here, this one is in the US, so its easier to spread, and I think there was even video. Easier to disseminate. Easier for people to spot the BS.

 

I still think Kishimoto is just an advisor seeing as Boruto hasn't really changed that much since he has been back. Even if he is doing the writing he leaving Ikemoto in charge of the story.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 26 July 2023 - 08:14 AM.

[Kagomaru]

And as for the Hinata replacing Sakura statement, This was in one of the past interviews mentioned where he was being sardonic when he heard about Hinata's favoritism, then proceeded to say that he would just write Sakura with more spirit to increase her appeal to the fan audiences.  

[Luna]

Honestly, I think Naruto ended being a giant self-insert for Kishimoto. His self-insert is basically Sasuke and one of the reasons Sakura ended up with Sasuke was because Sakura is like his wife and him like Sasuke.. Sasuke leaving the village for extended periods of time while Sakura is home with the kid kinda mirrors his own life aka him being at work all the time and never got to go on his honeymoon or spend quaility time with his wife. So having Sakura get together with Naruto would be like his wife getting with another man. So his thing about Sakura being a horrible person if she moved on from Sakura was parrelleling his own life because if his wife left him because of his hectic work life she would be horrible.

 

I can GO ON about this but I feel like Kishimoto GOT Lucky with this series.

[LuckyChi7]

Honestly, I think Naruto ended being a giant self-insert for Kishimoto. His self-insert is basically Sasuke and one of the reasons Sakura ended up with Sasuke was because Sakura is like his wife and him like Sasuke.. Sasuke leaving the village for extended periods of time while Sakura is home with the kid kinda mirrors his own life aka him being at work all the time and never got to go on his honeymoon or spend quaility time with his wife. So having Sakura get together with Naruto would be like his wife getting with another man. So his thing about Sakura being a horrible person if she moved on from Sakura was parrelleling his own life because if his wife left him because of his hectic work life she would be horrible.
 
I can GO ON about this but I feel like Kishimoto GOT Lucky with this series.

True true.


If I had a chance to go back in time, Id go to around the time just before Naruto debuted in weekly shounen jump and see what kind of notes and idea Kishi had for the series as a whole from beginning to end.

Edited by LuckyChi7, 26 July 2023 - 01:58 PM.

[Kagomaru]

Nah, his self-insert has always been Naruto. He freely admits that Naruto's personality - and even his life experiences - are based on himself.  Sasuke, OTOH, was based upon on his twin, Seishi. Furthermore, he has made it empathically clear that he *hates* both SS and NH. He even stated that Sasuke and Sakura would likely divorce in the future, if he had his way. Never mind the fact that he's the one that heavily suggested in the Boruto Gaiden that Sarada is Sasuke and Karin's love child. And what's probably pertinent to point out is that if Sasuke was his alter-ego, his wife wouldn't have been so pissed at him for shipping Naruto with Hinata, instead of the character that was based directly on herself.  So, unless he and his wife's marital situation is far worse than we initially thought, the idea of Sasuke being his self-insert doesn't make any lick of sense. 

Edited by Kagomaru, 27 July 2023 - 03:18 AM.

[LuckyChi7]

Nah, his self-insert has always been Naruto. He freely admits that Naruto's personality - and even his life experiences - are based on himself.  Sasuke, OTOH, was based upon on his twin, Seishi. Furthermore, he has made it empathically clear that he *hates* both SS and NH. He even stated that Sasuke and Sakura would likely divorce in the future, if he had his way. Never mind the fact that he's the one that heavily suggested in the Boruto Gaiden that Sarada is Sasuke and Karin's love child.  So, unless he and his wife's marital issues are far worse than we thought, the idea of Sasuke being his self-insert doesn't make any lick of sense. 

 

 

Definitely, and I think it's also especially telling when you look at the way HachiAnn (Hachimaru x Ann) was being built up in Samurai 8, and how they parallel off of NaruSaku in more occasions than one too. Especially when it pertains to the way certain scenes are paneled out in the manga. 

 

 

Like these: 

 

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[Derock]

The only reason why many people believed Sasuke was Masashi's alter ego because of the damn screen time he hogged up for majority of the story. Remember I stated back then that because of Sasuke's screen time about the Uchihas, there wasn't a balance and it made Naruto a bit more inferior, which led to the jokes and memes that the franchise should be named "Sasuke". It was that reason I stated someone on his writing team or editor (if they weren't on Hinata lust mode) should had suggested to make a Sasuke spin-off so Naruto, Sakura (especially her) and Kakashi would've gain more screen time on the main franchise while Sasuke get his in his spin-off until Masashi decides to bring him back for the major fights. That would've guarantee money and income. 

[Bail o' Lies]

Honestly, I think Naruto ended being a giant self-insert for Kishimoto. His self-insert is basically Sasuke and one of the reasons Sakura ended up with Sasuke was because Sakura is like his wife and him like Sasuke.. Sasuke leaving the village for extended periods of time while Sakura is home with the kid kinda mirrors his own life aka him being at work all the time and never got to go on his honeymoon or spend quaility time with his wife. So having Sakura get together with Naruto would be like his wife getting with another man. So his thing about Sakura being a horrible person if she moved on from Sakura was paralleling his own life because if his wife left him because of his hectic work life she would be horrible.

 

I can GO ON about this but I feel like Kishimoto GOT Lucky with this series.

If Sasuke was his "true" self insert. Why does Kishimoto not like having to do scenes together with the character that represents his wife?

 

Here just some things that make that idea not make sense:

 

Chapter three the bench scene. First thing, I want people to remember is Kishimoto has a twin brother, a twin that focuses on art and not money like him; the cool twin. So I want you all to see the scene again like this: Naruto/Masashi confesses/flirt with the girl of his dreams, but she mistakes him for his brother Sasuke/Seishi, and falls in love with him instead. Now, that doesn't happen to most normal people, since most don't have someone that looks exactly like them, but it can happen to twins. I've know at least 5 sets of twins over the years...surprisingly all males, and that happened once in Highschool. The girl apologized after the mistake but the twin who confessed started dyeing his hair afterwards.

 

Now Seishi is also a mangaka and his first manga was 666 Satan/O-Parts Hunter. The main character was Jio Freed a boy with Satan inside of him, and his best friend was Ball. Now it is likely like his brother that Seishi made the main character like him, and the best friend like his brother. So, Sasuke/Jio/Seishi is the more calmer of the two, more visibly talented, more of a loner, and is difficult to tell if he likes girls. Naruto/Ball/Masashi is the more goofy, perverted, less talented but can be cunning, and his main signature attack is a ball. Now, there is this female character called May, who starts out liking Jio but falls for and ends up marrying Ball. Read the manga or just look up May she should look and behave very familiar.

 

Throughout the rest of the Naruto manga. If Sasuke is Kishi's self insert and he wants him to get together with Sakura, why is their relationship portrayed so negatively (that it bad she still likes him and she should just move on) until the end where they got together?

 

The gaiden which is a SS manga. Did that convince you that he supports it? The reason he has stated that its a 10 chapter gaiden was to prove, he was not sexist. He finally been hearing about how everyone treats him as a sexist. So, to prove he wasn't, he turn Sarada's side story that was originally a one-shot like Mitsuki's into a ten chapter gaiden. If you think the gaiden is supporting SS. I suggest reading it again, the first 7-8 chapters are trashing it until the last few when its problems are lazily patched over.

 

Samurai 8. Hachi and Anna are the main pairing at some point after I stopped reading some cool guy was introduce. Now, that story from what I understand did not randomly drop the pairing and switch it for the cool guy, but reaffirmed the pairing. 

 

The recent Minato & Kushina one-shot. Now, Kushina is based on his wife, and Minato is based on Kishimoto. Is Minato more like Sasuke or Naruto?

 

The Boruto manga. Now there were a few scene of SS. The getting flowers for Sasuke's return, and taking care of Sarada at the hospital. Now, both of those scene happened while Kishimoto was gone working on Samurai 8. Since, he has returned, Sakura has vanished.  

 

Look, I get your trying to come up with a justification for SS happening. "It happened because Kishimoto must wish he could be Sasuke." But, nothing beyond, 'they got together,' supports it. Why SS happened was nH happened, they needed to put Sakura somewhere, and SS was popular enough.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 13 August 2023 - 11:02 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

And the fact that Naruto doesn't even deny it makes it worse. Especially when you recall that the *real* reason Sakura and Ino fought over Sasuke was a pretext so that Sakura could be included within a group among her peers and avoid being ostracized over her forehead.

Right!? It was based on a rivalry on top of Sakura wanting to be able to prove herself to Ino, which is what makes it so hypocritical at the same time for the writers of The Last to ignore that fact just to "justify" the "needs for Naruto to "only love" Hinata.

[RedFaction]

The "rivalry" line from the Last always struck me as very odd because it answered a question (in a very poor way) that really didn't need to be answered at the time.

 

NaruSaku was already 6 feet under at the time and all it accomplished was making Naruto look petty and puts all their interactions in the manga in a worse light. 

 

It was a throwaway line that was never brought up again, so why even bring it up to begin with?