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Posted 28 December 2021 - 07:02 AM

Again, funny how that DIDN’T apply to Naruto. Even regarding how they wanted it to be the The International sales Juggernaut they were hoping for japan counted for may 95% plus of the sales in the entire run of the franchise. I seriously think all of the Executives that LOVED Hinata heard what they wanted to here from her overseas fanatics. They didn’t actually care how big Hinata was over seas, they just wanted to here worshipping of her from like minded individuals I’m sure

 

I can see that as the case, Phantom. Why else keep the illusion up as they have since Boruto began?



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Posted 29 December 2021 - 01:42 AM

Again, funny how that DIDNT apply to Naruto. Even regarding how they wanted it to be the The International sales Juggernaut they were hoping for, japan counted for at least 95% plus of the sales in the entire run of the franchise. I seriously think all of the Executives that LOVED Hinata heard what they wanted to hear from her overseas fanatics. They didnt actually care how big Hinata was over seas, they just wanted to hear worshipping of her from like minded individuals Im sure


What is funny is that the creator of Love Hina says that Japan shouldnt cater to the West so much. Nor should they listen to the West seeing how crazy the Woke/SJWs are right now.

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Posted 29 December 2021 - 03:10 AM

What is funny is that the creator of Love Hina says that Japan shouldnt cater to the West so much. Nor should they listen to the West seeing how crazy the Woke/SJWs are right now.

I mean, people raised a huge stink over Shield Hero and for what? That the MC is falsely accused of rape by a woman? Then they go to the director of the anime and ask him about it, only for him to say that it wasn't controversial in Japan at all?

 

Or even Hamefura. People make a big deal out of how Katarina's harem is mixed gender, with articles being written about how she should end up with a girlfriend in order to send a message. I mean, I ship her with Maria as much as the next guy, but considering how s2 downplays her female friends in favor of the male suitors and the fact the series isn't marketed as being yuri (and Katarina says multiple times she is straight) I think it's clear that her hooking up with Maria, Mary or Sophia isn't going to happen. Hell, I think a major reason why they haven't announced an English release of the upcoming game is because they know it would create a stink, with the female suitors not having routes and instead adding two new male suitors. They know people would complain about it, so we don't appear to be getting it as a result (I mean, even though I'm a guy I'm curious about how it plays out, what details about Fortune Lover will be released, how it's Alan and Nicol's best shot of winning...and I kinda want to hook Katarina up with the eye-patched pirate because I like his design).


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Posted 29 December 2021 - 05:11 PM

Again, funny how that DIDN’T apply to Naruto. Even regarding how they wanted it to be the The International sales Juggernaut they were hoping for, japan counted for at least 95% plus of the sales in the entire run of the franchise. I seriously think all of the Executives that LOVED Hinata heard what they wanted to hear from her overseas fanatics. They didn’t actually care how big Hinata was over seas, they just wanted to hear worshipping of her from like minded individuals I’m sure

 

Probably the biggest confirmation bias happened here lol


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Posted 29 December 2021 - 10:20 PM

 

Probably the biggest confirmation bias happened here lol

 

Tell me about it, Chatte... and look at how it's ruined the Naruto franchise in the long run too. Even if the higher ups at Shueisha as well as Studio Pierrot do NOT see it like that, that's what the case is.



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Posted 30 December 2021 - 05:04 AM

Just to remind people, that a few Americans have been dumb enough to get into Japanese animation. At least one worked at SP for years. Whose to say, maybe he told them Hinata was popular in the West.


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Posted 31 December 2021 - 02:10 AM

Again, funny how that DIDN’T apply to Naruto. Even regarding how they wanted it to be the The International sales Juggernaut they were hoping for, japan counted for at least 95% plus of the sales in the entire run of the franchise. I seriously think all of the Executives that LOVED Hinata heard what they wanted to hear from her overseas fanatics. They didn’t actually care how big Hinata was over seas, they just wanted to hear worshipping of her from like minded individuals I’m sure

 

I could almost give Naruto some slack. Love it or hate it, it was a major force in bringing anime and manga to the mainstream in the West. I mean, Gundam SEED was a massive success in Japan only for it to horribly flop in the US (in part because they censored it in order to market it to kids there like they did in Japan). Even One Piece, Shonen Jumps biggest hit, had nowhere near the same appeal in the West (likely because of censorship as well). Naruto managed to be popular, not only selling but helping sell other properties for SJ.
 

Note I said almost. Like, early on it was understandable. Anime was just taking off in the West like never before, manga was being published unflipped, and Japanese companies had no idea how to approach it. But Naruto ran for 15 years, times change and even the notoriously traditional Japanese companies should have seen this. The fact they were trying to get back to some faded glory days, glory days where the market they were chasing was mostly pirating it, just shows how little they actually knew about the situation.

 

I don't waste tears for the stupid, have better things to do with my time.

 

(and I swear, hearing Gundam fans say "IBO was made to appeal to the US" or wanting the upcoming Witch from Mercury to appeal to their sensibilities just says how little they understand the industry. But at least it's not the ticking timebomb that they've turned Hamefura into. I mean, they're releasing the yuri-bait anthology book when the series is going more and more hetro to the point where they're teasing Mary and Alan hooking up? Yeah, that's not going to be pretty.)


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Posted 31 December 2021 - 04:06 AM

I could almost give Naruto some slack. Love it or hate it, it was a major force in bringing anime and manga to the mainstream in the West. I mean, Gundam SEED was a massive success in Japan only for it to horribly flop in the US (in part because they censored it in order to market it to kids there like they did in Japan). Even One Piece, Shonen Jumps biggest hit, had nowhere near the same appeal in the West (likely because of censorship as well). Naruto managed to be popular, not only selling but helping sell other properties for SJ.

 

Note I said almost. Like, early on it was understandable. Anime was just taking off in the West like never before, manga was being published unflipped, and Japanese companies had no idea how to approach it. But Naruto ran for 15 years, times change and even the notoriously traditional Japanese companies should have seen this. The fact they were trying to get back to some faded glory days, glory days where the market they were chasing was mostly pirating it, just shows how little they actually knew about the situation.

 

I don't waste tears for the stupid, have better things to do with my time.

 

(and I swear, hearing Gundam fans say "IBO was made to appeal to the US" or wanting the upcoming Witch from Mercury to appeal to their sensibilities just says how little they understand the industry. But at least it's not the ticking timebomb that they've turned Hamefura into. I mean, they're releasing the yuri-bait anthology book when the series is going more and more hetro to the point where they're teasing Mary and Alan hooking up? Yeah, that's not going to be pretty.)

From what I've seen, Japan has always had problems understanding the Western market. When they try to make something appeal to the West they try to make it as "American" as they can, when something does succeeded whether it was intended to or not they don't really understand how it was successful, once something is successful they expect it to be constantly successful, milking it with constant sequels, if one of those sequel doesn't meet their expectation they cancel it forever, and often they would hand over IP to their Western branches expecting that they will know what to do with it; often those flop.

 

Not that the West is better. When they want to appeal to the Asia (China) they just get a Asian-American and go "look we got an Asian, they must know what other Asians like, right, as all Asian are liked by other Asians, since they all look alike they must all think alike too," or just do sequel of what was successful over there.

 

Naruto was successful while Bleach and One Piece weren't is simple. Naruto was on Toonami (a prime time program,) while Bleach was on Adult Swim (late night program,) and One Piece was on 4Kids (a children's program that did censor it but also ended/was cancelled while One Piece was running.) Naruto was also on Toonami after all the nineties era Shounen anime stop airing and had no real competition; allowing it to become the biggest show on the prime time program for years.

 

Also helped that part one showed off Naruto's strengths (likable relatable cast, good initial premises, great arc stories, great battles, and little filler at the beginning) and very little of its weaknesses (bloated underutilized cast, an overarching story that was shallow as it was hollow, fights slowly became generic shounen fights, the initial premises was dropped to focus on a chasing after the rival, and it became infamous for endless filler) allowing it to become the biggest anime from 2003-2014 in the West. Nothing was able to compete with it or compare to it in the West (Dragon Ball was largely inactive during this time) while it was running. It wasn't till after it was over that streaming finally took off and other anime were able to replace it before Boruto got started.

 

I mean, people raised a huge stink over Shield Hero and for what? That the MC is falsely accused of rape by a woman? Then they go to the director of the anime and ask him about it, only for him to say that it wasn't controversial in Japan at all?

 

Or even Hamefura. People make a big deal out of how Katarina's harem is mixed gender, with articles being written about how she should end up with a girlfriend in order to send a message. I mean, I ship her with Maria as much as the next guy, but considering how s2 downplays her female friends in favor of the male suitors and the fact the series isn't marketed as being yuri (and Katarina says multiple times she is straight) I think it's clear that her hooking up with Maria, Mary or Sophia isn't going to happen. Hell, I think a major reason why they haven't announced an English release of the upcoming game is because they know it would create a stink, with the female suitors not having routes and instead adding two new male suitors. They know people would complain about it, so we don't appear to be getting it as a result (I mean, even though I'm a guy I'm curious about how it plays out, what details about Fortune Lover will be released, how it's Alan and Nicol's best shot of winning...and I kinda want to hook Katarina up with the eye-patched pirate because I like his design).

Shield Hero was railed against because it went against the #metoo-#believeallwoman narrative, and anime was taking off because Western media was going into the crap.

 

Hamefura wasn't baiting people. If it doesn't say its yaoi or yuri then it is normally a straight relationship. The light novel is about the fantasy of a woman being beloved by all due to her quirkiness.


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 31 December 2021 - 03:15 PM.


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Posted 31 December 2021 - 07:14 PM

Hamefura wasn't baiting people. If it doesn't say its yaoi or yuri then it is normally a straight relationship. The light novel is about the fantasy of a woman being beloved by all due to her quirkiness.

Yeah, I know. I know that in Japan it's marketed as a shojo series, and it's not marketed as yuri either. The problem is a lot of people liked the yuri ships and how Katarina's harem had both genders in it. But people latched onto the fact even girls were into Katarina, to the point they're releasing an anthology manga that focuses on Katarina's relationships with the girls in the US. So, I would say that there's a very good indication that the Western publishers want to use this to their advantage.

 

...Except Katarina identifies as straight. And while people love Mary as a lesbian, the later books start pointing to her hooking up with Alan. There's even stuff about Maria hooking up with one of her capture targets from Fortune Lover 2, while Sophia puts everything into helping her brother win Katarina's heart.

 

It all reminds me of this trope in Japanese media, where girls date other girls in their teens as "practice." They're not actually lesbians or bisexual, it's them being young and immature and when they get older they'll stop this practice and date/marry men. Kinda like how tomboys are expected to adopt more feminine hobbies and interests as they get older, or for boys to stop liking sweet things. This is the same trope that made people accuse Fire Emblem Fates of having gay conversion undertones with Soleil.

 

This is why I think Hamefura is setting itself up for backlash. People want it to reflect Western values, when in reality it's a Japanese franchise made for the Japanese. It's kinda like how Fortune Lover is supposed to be this big hit in the series, whereas the Western fandom rakes it over the coals and compares it to other otome isekai that deconstruct that exact same scenario. I think that there are things about Japanese or Asian culture that would make it easier for them to digest (like I recall this one Korean otome isekai that talked about how if a guy cheats on his girlfriend, it's her fault because she drove him into the arms of another. Thankfully, Beware of the Villainess calls the everloving kitten out of it). but people would really do well to chill out and try to understand these things rather than claiming the Japanese need to be properly educated or some crap.


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Posted 31 December 2021 - 10:42 PM

Yeah, I know. I know that in Japan it's marketed as a shojo series, and it's not marketed as yuri either. The problem is a lot of people liked the yuri ships and how Katarina's harem had both genders in it. But people latched onto the fact even girls were into Katarina, to the point they're releasing an anthology manga that focuses on Katarina's relationships with the girls in the US. So, I would say that there's a very good indication that the Western publishers want to use this to their advantage.

 

...Except Katarina identifies as straight. And while people love Mary as a lesbian, the later books start pointing to her hooking up with Alan. There's even stuff about Maria hooking up with one of her capture targets from Fortune Lover 2, while Sophia puts everything into helping her brother win Katarina's heart.

 

It all reminds me of this trope in Japanese media, where girls date other girls in their teens as "practice." They're not actually lesbians or bisexual, it's them being young and immature and when they get older they'll stop this practice and date/marry men. Kinda like how tomboys are expected to adopt more feminine hobbies and interests as they get older, or for boys to stop liking sweet things. This is the same trope that made people accuse Fire Emblem Fates of having gay conversion undertones with Soleil.

 

This is why I think Hamefura is setting itself up for backlash. People want it to reflect Western values, when in reality it's a Japanese franchise made for the Japanese. It's kinda like how Fortune Lover is supposed to be this big hit in the series, whereas the Western fandom rakes it over the coals and compares it to other otome isekai that deconstruct that exact same scenario. I think that there are things about Japanese or Asian culture that would make it easier for them to digest (like I recall this one Korean otome isekai that talked about how if a guy cheats on his girlfriend, it's her fault because she drove him into the arms of another. Thankfully, Beware of the Villainess calls the everloving kitten out of it). but people would really do well to chill out and try to understand these things rather than claiming the Japanese need to be properly educated or some crap.

 

Agreed. And it does suck to me with many Western culture stuff how they just wanna push LGBTQ+ so hard, even if it may not fit into things regarding the story or if it is done to push an agenda. That's what it feels like with Hamefura from what you're getting at, Rules-- that people here in the West wanna try to push their agenda for representation onto anime without realizing how anime works and how it's catered to the palette of the Japanese, even if anime also can apply to Western fans too.



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Posted 01 January 2022 - 06:40 PM

 

I could almost give Naruto some slack. Love it or hate it, it was a major force in bringing anime and manga to the mainstream in the West. I mean, Gundam SEED was a massive success in Japan only for it to horribly flop in the US (in part because they censored it in order to market it to kids there like they did in Japan). Even One Piece, Shonen Jumps biggest hit, had nowhere near the same appeal in the West (likely because of censorship as well). Naruto managed to be popular, not only selling but helping sell other properties for SJ.
 

Note I said almost. Like, early on it was understandable. Anime was just taking off in the West like never before, manga was being published unflipped, and Japanese companies had no idea how to approach it. But Naruto ran for 15 years, times change and even the notoriously traditional Japanese companies should have seen this. The fact they were trying to get back to some faded glory days, glory days where the market they were chasing was mostly pirating it, just shows how little they actually knew about the situation.

 

I don't waste tears for the stupid, have better things to do with my time.

 

(and I swear, hearing Gundam fans say "IBO was made to appeal to the US" or wanting the upcoming Witch from Mercury to appeal to their sensibilities just says how little they understand the industry. But at least it's not the ticking timebomb that they've turned Hamefura into. I mean, they're releasing the yuri-bait anthology book when the series is going more and more hetro to the point where they're teasing Mary and Alan hooking up? Yeah, that's not going to be pretty.)

 

Very true. But regardless it exempted itself from catering to the native fan base which again falls in the "appeal to the Japanese fans first and foremost" thought process, and again Japan was where at least 95% of where the income comes from. Surely, that was not overlooked at least. It doesn't seem like a business stand point or success stand point if you ask me. it is a "jacking off to Hinata standpoint", because let me say Hinata is WAY BELOW average in terms of a popularity as a character in Japan.  Her highest point  being only making it to the top ten in one popularity poll as one example. Merchandise, I'll actually have to do some research on, but you get my point. If Naruto showed to be astronomically more popular over seas than it was in Japan then the business decision to make it appeal to international fans would have made more sense but evidence points to the contrary opposite actually, Japan was where the franchise was making its grandest amounts of income.


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Posted 02 January 2022 - 02:59 AM

Regarding the Retsuden novel, I've seen some points being made that they are super popular outside Japan, that they have been in top for sales on Amazon and Rakuten something something so that's why it's popular and in-demand.
 
Now I don't know what to say because I haven't been following the topic too closely. But even so, shouldn't this amount to something towards Boruto's popularity as a franchise?
 
From what I'm seeing, it keeps decreasing?
 
The way I've seen it, it's an attempt to somehow keep the franchise afloat by catering more to SS because from what it seems the NH family doesn't sell that much. 
 
Meh, anyway...

If it sold very well, the producers will proudly share the facts and advertise it :)

Rakuten and Amazon publishes bestseller ranks by product category every year in Japan or internationally. You can check it out at both of their websites (Japanese ones or by country to which they operate in).

Retsuden novels wasn't in the top 100 at Rakuten or Amazon in 2020 (let's not even think of 2021, lol). Folks can fact check themselves and I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong :) --here's the current rank at Rakuten for your reference: https://books.rakute...html?junle_id=3

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Posted 03 January 2022 - 02:30 AM

If it sold very well, the producers will proudly share the facts and advertise it :)

Rakuten and Amazon publishes bestseller ranks by product category every year in Japan or internationally. You can check it out at both of their websites (Japanese ones or by country to which they operate in).

Retsuden novels wasn't in the top 100 at Rakuten or Amazon in 2020 (let's not even think of 2021, lol). Folks can fact check themselves and I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong :) --here's the current rank at Rakuten for your reference: https://books.rakute...html?junle_id=3


Tells me this could just be a means to keep pushing the false narrative that the ending is good to the fans by making this into a manga.

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Posted 03 January 2022 - 03:19 AM

Tells me this could just be a means to keep pushing the false narrative that the ending is good to the fans by making this into a manga.

I'd still go with using this to check if there even is a large enough fanbase, trying to get some cash out of them, and giving some of their artist some work. On the side of the company.

 

The fans are just trying to convince themselves the ending they wanted must be popular somewhere. They never see any evidence, but it must be.

 

If it sold very well, the producers will proudly share the facts and advertise it :)

Rakuten and Amazon publishes bestseller ranks by product category every year in Japan or internationally. You can check it out at both of their websites (Japanese ones or by country to which they operate in).

Retsuden novels wasn't in the top 100 at Rakuten or Amazon in 2020 (let's not even think of 2021, lol). Folks can fact check themselves and I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong :) --here's the current rank at Rakuten for your reference: https://books.rakute...html?junle_id=3

If you narrow down the search results enough anything is a top seller on Amazon in that category. Naruto light novels for example. Calling something #1 or top seller makes it more likely someone would buy it. A similar reason that something cost $9.99 instead of $10, to trick you into thinking its cheaper. 

 

This is why I think Hamefura is setting itself up for backlash. People want it to reflect Western values, when in reality it's a Japanese franchise made for the Japanese. It's kinda like how Fortune Lover is supposed to be this big hit in the series, whereas the Western fandom rakes it over the coals and compares it to other otome isekai that deconstruct that exact same scenario. I think that there are things about Japanese or Asian culture that would make it easier for them to digest (like I recall this one Korean otome isekai that talked about how if a guy cheats on his girlfriend, it's her fault because she drove him into the arms of another. Thankfully, Beware of the Villainess calls the everloving kitten out of it). but people would really do well to chill out and try to understand these things rather than claiming the Japanese need to be properly educated or some crap.

Which is why Japanese are getting sick of the West/SJW demanding things of their entertainment and why you have things like Ken Akamatsu running for office to try to protect the Japanese manga/anime from bending to the West/SJW.

 

Also, this isn't new to Japan. They have known that there are people in the West that get offended by whatever they produce. The first time I can recall was Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball 2 where the producers said they weren't going to release it internationally since they figured it would be review bomb since Video Games Are Sexist was becoming a thing.

 

Backlash against Japanese media not appealing to some group in the West has also increasingly become a thing in recent years especially again with streaming reviving interest. Sometimes they try to fix things but increasingly they are just throwing up their hands and ignoring it since the complainers don't effect sales. (Goblin Slayer, Shield Hero, and Redo healer come to mind)

 

So what will happen to Hamefura is one of two thing. The girl will likely end up with her Fiancé the prince either when the backlash hits they will try to apologies while pointing out that it was always the intended pairing or they ignore it.


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Posted 03 January 2022 - 09:44 PM

I'd still go with using this to check if there even is a large enough fanbase, trying to get some cash out of them, and giving some of their artist some work. On the side of the company.

 

The fans are just trying to convince themselves the ending they wanted must be popular somewhere. They never see any evidence, but it must be.

 

If you narrow down the search results enough anything is a top seller on Amazon in that category. Naruto light novels for example. Calling something #1 or top seller makes it more likely someone would buy it. A similar reason that something cost $9.99 instead of $10, to trick you into thinking its cheaper. 

 

Which is why Japanese are getting sick of the West/SJW demanding things of their entertainment and why you have things like Ken Akamatsu running for office to try to protect the Japanese manga/anime from bending to the West/SJW.

 

Also, this isn't new to Japan. They have known that there are people in the West that get offended by whatever they produce. The first time I can recall was Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball 2 where the producers said they weren't going to release it internationally since they figured it would be review bomb since Video Games Are Sexist was becoming a thing.

 

Backlash against Japanese media not appealing to some group in the West has also increasingly become a thing in recent years especially again with streaming reviving interest. Sometimes they try to fix things but increasingly they are just throwing up their hands and ignoring it since the complainers don't effect sales. (Goblin Slayer, Shield Hero, and Redo healer come to mind)

 

 

 

On bolded: It's actually Dead or Alive Xtreme 3. All of the reasons was because how people in the West trashing the franchise of how it depicted the women and believing the spin-off is the "main series" and softcore/porn (in reality, it is not. It tried to back in Xtreme 2 with the stripping/Pole dancing shows) when it's actually the fighting game is the main part of the series. And by general, many people, regardless if you're in the fighting game community or outside, tends to downplay the franchise due to its favoring of the women's sex appeal front and center and has the stigma that only the series does this when other franchises are doing the same thing and never gets any flack.


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Posted 04 January 2022 - 12:59 PM

I've seen the conversation and just wanted to add my two cents. NH X SS  are poor sellers because NONE are interesting as couples and that's the sad truth. They look good on paper but together its a mess. I have always said that even before NH became a thing that they would make an extremely boring couple for television. SS is boring because Sakura did a 180 in personality change around Sasuke and became Hinata-like with some spice. Hinata (tries to be Sakura and fails at it). Its like they said, since the planned couples didn't become a thing, we will make the wives act like the other so the couples won't be boring. 

 

The poor sales, the fans slowly leaving the franchise, the trashy story. Everything is what they deserve and MORE. The amount of kitten they said when Naruto ended about "red herring" and that we "read the manga wrong" is all coming back to them. The day that show gets cancelled will be a JOYOUS one. Also, notice how there even hasn't been rumors about a movie. By this time, Naruto probably had like 3 movies already. Its a damn shame.



 


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Posted 04 January 2022 - 02:09 PM

Boring and they have no chemistry as couples. Their personalities don't play off each other, they don't really communicate, the guys did not show interest in their wives before they married and definitely don't show interest now. I've already said the women are the ONLY ONES putting any effort into the relationship or even raising the kids. You don't feel any passion or emotional connection between them, and it goes doubly so for Sakura and Sasuke that married offscreen. Call Naruto and Sakura predictable, boring and abusive all you want (not us obviously, but their detractors) but at least they were the couple that were given on screen emotional bonding and support for each other. And if it is to be called familial or platonic love they were developing, how come other characters caught on to Naruto's feelings and they notice it was not "love for a sister"? There was blushing between them a few times and last time I checked that is not the reaction of a "platonic relationship". If SS and NH had any real development at all, the story would have seen to it and for the millionth time, "The Last" would not have even been a thing, and definitely wouldn't have been necessary to canonize NaruHina.


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Posted 05 January 2022 - 12:51 AM

Speaking of the last does anyone know how SP reacted to the response of the last from the fandoms?

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Posted 05 January 2022 - 01:34 AM

Speaking of the last does anyone know how SP reacted to the response of the last from the fandoms?

Guessing they behaved like any company does in a similar situation. Pretended that it was a huge success that everyone loved. Cover up anything that said otherwise. Waited hoping the international fanbase would prove the gamble right. Doubling down on the ending, and the planned Path to Boruto. Cutting cost once it was clear it was going to be a flop.

 

Derock or Namaenash may have better answer by actually looking things up.

 

I've seen the conversation and just wanted to add my two cents. NH X SS  are poor sellers because NONE are interesting as couples and that's the sad truth. They look good on paper but together its a mess. I have always said that even before NH became a thing that they would make an extremely boring couple for television. SS is boring because Sakura did a 180 in personality change around Sasuke and became Hinata-like with some spice. Hinata (tries to be Sakura and fails at it). Its like they said, since the planned couples didn't become a thing, we will make the wives act like the other so the couples won't be boring. 

 

The poor sales, the fans slowly leaving the franchise, the trashy story. Everything is what they deserve and MORE. The amount of kitten they said when Naruto ended about "red herring" and that we "read the manga wrong" is all coming back to them. The day that show gets cancelled will be a JOYOUS one. Also, notice how there even hasn't been rumors about a movie. By this time, Naruto probably had like 3 movies already. Its a damn shame.

Pretty much, they are the perfect couples the 'fans' wanted. But, perfect is very boring especially since in both cases the girls are too submissive to confront their husbands about anything. Also add in conflict by Kishimoto disrupting their perfect marriages.

 

nH was based on the idea that Hinata was an easy to get/please girl that would never hit Naruto or disparage him in anyway. Of course that what those fans wanted in their dream girl because they found getting a girl too hard, and couldn't handle criticism. Naruto always needed his significant other to be on some level his handler; which is Sakura's job which always meant taking over her role on some level. In fact, Hinata couldn't fulfill that role to such an extent that SP, after Kishi showed this, had to add in the almighty mom bit. Even then she never confronts her husband an lets the problem fester till her children act out.

 

SS was a shoujo romance with none of the development. Since they barely interact with each other and SP has to work around the whole Sasuke didn't visit for 12 years. They went with Sasuke just can't show his feelings. Which is only cute to a certain extent and needs to be handled well. And still has the problem of Sakura (nor Sasuke for that matter) doesn't fully express themselves to their significant other in this pairing.


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 08 January 2022 - 06:47 AM.


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Posted 05 January 2022 - 02:27 AM

Speaking of the last does anyone know how SP reacted to the response of the last from the fandoms?

 
If any 2 or 1 stars and negative reviews on google Japan etc.  being deleted soon after is any indication. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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