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It's a recton. Don't remember the exact chapter but in this page:

 

Late 600's

 

Pretty self-explanatory. Don't even know why Sarada should be having that sharingan in the first place, it's bad news. How she unlocked it the way she did just discarded what the manga already established....kind of a big insult to the other Uchiha's who had to experience horrible things to unlock theirs too!

 

Oh wow, lol! Seriously, a cheating device? Technology? For jutsu? That's even more ridiculous. How does that make any sense?

 

Oh my mistake. I just grazed that chapter because the Uchiha bore me and I don't care for all that text. The one thing I understood was that Uchiha's need to experience strong emotion and I thought the hatred/loss was only for developing new powers of the sharingan. Again, my mistake.

 

However it should be noted that that page itself is a retcon. Sasuke first activated his sharingan (that we see) when he thought Haku was going to kill him and Naruto. He didn't actually lose anything, I think it was the desperation, fear, and determination that pushed him to unlock it. The whole Uchiha thing is a mess and it had the most pages dedicated to it lmao.

 

Yea the guy who invented it did so to make training a thing of the past apparently. What's worse is according to a summary, the guy who made it was a decent but arrogant guy. Totally harmless, just a little thoughtless with his words when speaking the leader of all the ninja.

 

As a matter of fact, imagine how much more sense would be made if HE caused the conflict. What if the plot went something like this?:

 

Thanks to all of the treaties, trade between all nations is booming. Therefore, escort missions and deliveries are at an all time high and are in fact the only missions available. Naruto is working so hard at the office because of the high volume of missions he has to hand out. But he works so hard at it out of the affection he has for the ninja profession. Being a ninja was his whole life (literally) and with wars being a thing of the past, he wanted to keep the profession relevant. No one needs to hire assassins anymore, they just need someone to keep them safe from the occasional bandit. Chuunin and Jounin are a bit restless, but it gives Genin something to do. Ninja go to the academy to learn how to defend yada yada.

 

However, out of the village comes this kitten. He says with his invention, civilians will be safer than ever because they can use jutsu at the push of a button and no longer need to spend so much money paying a ninja to escort them to a destination and back.

 

Naruto is against this obvious reasons and then we get a movie with message about how careful we must be about technology (since the technology in Boruto seems to be a sore spot for even the fans). In addition, action can come from the idea that selling such obviously dangerous technology to just ANYBODY will lead to misuse or it falling into the wrong hands. Someone setting it off at the wrong time (during an argument on accident, blah blah) could lead to an actual conflict.

 

Boruto's story could be him and Naruto learning once more about the importance of forgiveness and how revenge is NOT (always) the right answer. Boruto could argue that the conflict is necessary and Naruto could argue that a peaceful resolution can be reached. And the ninja are in conflict because again, the older ninja remember the glory days of fighting for your home and younger ninja would be scared or excited about possibly having to actually fight.

 

It would be a way he could properly teach the lesson he's been trying to teach the whole manga (and failed at).

 

I don't know what hurts more. What we actually got, or what we could've got.

 

 

 

Also, personally, I think he would've found a lot of success and NOT piss Naruto off if he made it to be some kind of home security system. Robbers would be the thing of the past.

the humor in this oneshot was not up to snuff compared to the Lee and Sasuke SD either.

 

Part of it has to do with the recycled jokes.

 

A character does something ridiculous and others, including the serious character, praises it while the only 'sane characters' wonders what is wrong with everyone. It's been done before SO MANY times in many comedy series (including Lee and Sasuke SD). Now on its own that is NOT a problem because it can be legitimately funny. The problem is Sexy Jutsu isn't funny (even Naruto never found it funny and only used it to mess with and/or bribe his perverted teachers. I'm pretty sure that at 13 (after maturing a little) he was disgusted by anyone who fell for it). Sexy Jutsu on its own isn't outlandish enough to be ridiculous and so much of the humor was lost for me.

 

And using a surprising mundane and kinda stupid move in an important battle also can be really funny. But lemon juice was random in a 'LOL RANDOMZ' kinda way as opposed to a 'haha that's random' kind of way. Unless there's a joke I'm not getting, it was WAY too out there for the setting/characters to be funny. It was just, to be frank, stupid.

 

The other part is the characters.

 

We don't really know anything about ANY of them except Sarada and even she acted different. I understand making her the straight man but she wasn't shown to be violent in gaidan and so yes, that was a terribly cheap tactic to parallel her to Sakura (I would understand if she got angry because Bolt put her mother in there. We could've got a hilarious chase scene from that. But a standard 'stop fooling around'? I would've never guessed Sarada would get THAT upset over that). Bolt is a brat but instead of drawing humor from that he was basically a stand in for Lee (only less sympathetic. Lee was fun because of his genuine enthusiasm and naive nature meant that he would do everything with a gusto and seriously believe that what he was doing was cool. Bolt is a brat but supposedly born into greatness.) And who the hell cares about Mitsuki's and especially Konohamaru's opinion (Konohamaru hasn't been relevant since his introduction).

 

I mean I don't know if it was just me or what but this was not at all funny to me.

I'm sorry. How does Sharingan works again? I thought it was done by hatred?

  It's done by strong emotion. Remember Sasuke unlocked his sharingan, for the second time, because he was afraid to die fighting against Haku or something. i mean I remember someone launching into a long explanation that the Uchiha bloodline/strength is largely based on their emotions. Although they are at risk of being consumed by hatred, no one ever said that specifically hatred drives them. I think.

 

Also, anyone else laugh at the missed NH moment? I mean the all-so-special bento in the end was another tool for a Team 7 flashback. I am no longer pro Team 7, but the lack of NH was tooooooo hilarious to me. First he apologized to Bolt. And now he won't even acknowledge who made the bento lmao.

I think Kushina was just born a red bloody habanero xD
 
Can you link me the comic? is it the hyper-realistic-699 styled ns doujin that is going viral in tumblr?

 
I'm not sure because I saw it in the theory thread but it might be the one. It's pretty close to Kishimoto's style and the only page I saw was Sakura and Naruto walking when Naruto asks Sakura why she changed her hair (and then it gets into a 'beautiful forehead moment'). Sorry I don't have a link :(. But if I ever see it again I'll link it.
 

Many fanfics have a habit of going overboard with Sakura's physical attacks and portraying her as a vicious b*tch because they simply don't understand her character or the point behind said physical attacks in the first place.

 
Yes! Yes! Yes! I understand that in bashing fics made to prop up another Naruto pairing (I hate bashing but I understand it when it does happen). I also understand it in fics where it is used to show Sakura's development (a canon/noncanon example being the Road to Ninja movie. Sakura was unnecessarily harsh and violent in the beginning but by the end she's able to turn Naruto down seriously, but in a jest-kinda way that doesn't involve pulling his ear and hearing say 'ow' over and over with zero sympathy).
 
But I see this happen in NaruSaku fics where Sakura and Naruto already have an established friendship or romantic relationship which confuses the heck out of me! So I agree with you. Here is the manga(when it was good) for comparison:
 
Here is Naruto at his brattiest. Sakura keeps her annoyance in her thoughts but that might be because the Hokage and Sasuke are present.
 

 
Now imagine fics where Naruto is 15-20something years old and he's acting like this JUST so that Sakura can punch him JUST for laughs.
 
In this page, Naruto expresses excitement about going on their first C-rank mission and for leaving the village for the very first time. Instead of understanding his excitement, Sakura tries to knock him down a little by implying that there's nothing to be excited about (by asking what he found so exciting in the first place).
 

 
In this page we have Naruto freaking the hell out because Sakura is angry. Notable in that even though his wounds will heal soon, we still get to see the injuries (This was the 'Karui beat up scene' before the Karui beat up scene. I know Karui's beat up was much more serious but you have to understand that many people including me did not find this funny because it was an accident and Naruto was trying to explain that he didn't want to kiss Sasuke in the first place but Sakura didn't listen. You all probably all know this but this scene left a baaaaaaaaaaaaad impression about Sakura.
 

 
 
It feels like the humor they are trying to go for is this:
 


 
 
But because Sakura is written like this (acting like Naruto is a misbehaving child that needs to be punished because he needs someone to teach him correct/proper ways):
 


 
AND Naruto is written like this (a loud idiot brat with no manners):
 

 
 
What I end up seeing in fics where Naruto can be anywhere from dating/late teens to married adults is...well this:
 
 

 
(this scene is actually quite lol but please note that they are 12 and weak. Can you honestly imagine them acting the exact same way now?)
 
I would like to believe that Naruto and Sakura's relationship has developed beyond that! Now don't get me wrong there are some more funny moments between them (a moment when Sakura shouts 'IF YOU DON'T CALM DOWN I'LL FINISH YOU!' comes to mind). But still do you understand what I am saying?
 
Think of the discussions where it is said that 699 reverts Sakura's character back to her 12-year-old self. That's why I think some in the NaruSaku fandom have a habit of doing that too.
 
In my opinion, the beauty in NaruSaku is how they grow as people together, not the 'idiot boy violent girl' dynamic (that many of you have pointed out is in MANNNNNNY couples). There is something unique about Naruto and Sakura together and I don't think Studio Perriot-filler comedy is necessary to keep it separate from say NaruIno or definitely NaruHina.
 
If Naruto's suppose to become a more mature, wise, and powerful Hokage, but still Naruto Usumaki like Kishimoto probably originally intended, then it makes that Naruto would bring on the pain (so to speak) by PURPOSEFULLY acting out in a way that riles up Sakura or being an idiot but not like the examples I showed above. It's not like being perverted is second nature to him the way it is to Jiraiya. And since he (should've) obviously gained some people skills and more obviously understand Sakura better, then the comedy (for me) comes from Naruto violating common sense when he should've known better (much emphasis on the bold because Naruto often WILL be dumbed down) or purposefully being an idiot because he couldn't pass up a joke.
 
One headcanon I have is NS' oldest son painting Hokgae mountain (for mischief reasons only or to compete with Naruto's own Hokgae painting achievement) and getting caught by his parents. Naruto says he'll handle it, but instead of lecturing their son, he instead gives him pointers and even takes the paint brush and paints a little. And then Sakura gets upset because what kind of idiot Hokage defaces his own mountain (plus he's teaching their son disrespectful habits)?
 
And of course, on Sakura's end she will always have a temper. I accept and embrace that feisty flaw part of her. But she's also a caring and kind individual (especially towards Naruto) and as pointed out numerous times, she's the one who learned who he is the best. I imagine that she has higher levels of tolerance for Naruto's actions and can pick and choose her reactions. And if we remember that Sakura actually does love a good joke every now and then, then maybe Sakura has her own creative ways to teach Naruto a lesson that are not YELL and PUNCH.
 
That's basically what I'm getting at. I feel there is a balance between comedic use of the usual tsundere violence and inserting it for the sake of familiarity and the second part, I feel, is NOT who Naruto and Sakura are anymore. As they mature, so should the violent comedy.
 
Feel free to disagree tho.

Edit: the spoiler tags were making my images disappear so I got rid of them.

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Um hi, guys?

 

I REALLY don't think that poll is about the ENDINGS. Didn't the person who originally posted it say they were voting on the manga that were ENDING this year? Like they were voting on the manga as a whole, not just the ending.

 

Does that make sense? Because even the tite is 'Fan Poll of Manga THAT FINISHED SERIALIZATION in 2014'. So honestly I don't think Naruto's 'ending' actually ranked #2. The whole manga did.

 

And that's still a fail since it was beat by almost 100 votes plus it has been running longer. Tut tut...

Ah a thought!

 

Imagine Bolt turning evil because Naruto is such a sh*tty parent.

 

He's burning down Konoha and as Naruto stares at him with tears running down his face, Hinata lying dead at his feet and Himawari so mentally broken she's just sitting next to him catatonic. Naruto only asks 'why?' (because he obviously lost his empathetic ability.)

 

Bolt turns toward him, blood is splattered on his clothes and skin and he smiles the biggest, kitten-eating grin ever and says,

 

"Will you clean Hokage Mountain with me now dad?"

 

This will happen if Naruto doesn't clean up his act. The cycle of hate children growing up to cause genocide will continue as Bolt becomes increasingly bitter that the 'hero' who preaches love and peace can not love his own family and spend time with them in peace.

 

Would be awfully dramatic no? Too bad it works only as a backstory. 

 

How could Naruto have moved on and still look heroic though? Kishi used the excuse that Sakura moving on would make her look like a terrible woman. However, the manga isn't called Sakura. Or Sasuke. Or Hinata. It's called Naruto. He didn't let go of his feelings towards Sasuke, no matter how edgy he got. He's not supposed to quit. Out of anyone in the manga, he's supposed to be the one portrayed as never giving up.

 

There is no believable way he could have stopped loving Sakura as the hero of the manga. It's shounen. It's not supposed to be this complicated >.<

 

 

 

 

Right. Naruto never gave up on Sasuke, someone who tried to kill ever Naruto ever held dear including Sakura, but he did give up on Sakura, who stood by him, supported him, healed him, and confessed her love to him in front of her peers. 

 

Arguably, had Naruto confessed to Sakura and was rejected and didn't let that stop him from finding the Kushina to his Minato, then you could say he moved on without breaking the theme of 'never giving up'.

 

However, it is true that since Kishimoto said Sakura would be a terrible woman for moving on, Naruto is a terrible man for moving on. 

 

Not to mention if he did end up with Hinata regardless, she would still be the easy option/second place, because she was already in love with him. Like Nostradomus said, he wouldn't have to lift a finger by that point because he already earned her love.

 

The only way I'd accept NaruHina is if we actually saw her work for his love. Instead we got a movie where Naruto's going to realize it on his own after another dramatic moment or something.

 

 

What I don't understand is why Tsunade even allowed Kakashi to be Hokage. Seriously what happened to her that she decided to step down and let Kakashi take charge.

I can imagine the following conversation between them:

 

This is a good question and it brings up another really good one.

 

As I recall, The Third Hokage also had to retire and allowed Minato to step up. Arguably, Tsunade was getting old and wanted to stepped down. But if that were the case then why the hell is she still using that genjutsu to look young? It's hard to believe she's slowing down in her old age when she STILL LOOKS 20!

 

But I think another question is why the hell Kakashi stepped down? You KNOW he's young enough to keep going. And like you said it just adds to the overall cheapness of Naruto becoming Hokage in the first place.

 

Naruto didn't earn the Hokage title. He got it because Kakashi quit.

 

Lastly,

 

Nostradomus, you said that there was one panel that made sense in your rant. Which panel was it?

Uh...wow O_O... Some of the comments in here have left me speechless. ...uh...wow geez...

I would like to reply but my lurking has shown me what happens when one disagrees with those kinds of opinions...but I will say a few things.

- I was under the impression that Hinata's biggest criticism stemmed from her character revolving around Naruto while Sakura was praised for having a more dynamic character. And yet she will be hated just the same for the guy she chooses to be with in the end? In that case HOW IS SHE ANY DIFFERENT FROM HINATA? I know it's filler but I'm pretty sure the anime actually got it right when Naruto said he'd be happy if Sakura is happy...

- I would recommend you guys to visit an abuse shelter and to learn some empathy/try to understand why girls would feel the exact way Sakura is feeling. But on second thought it would probably be for the best if you stayed as far away from those women as possible please.

Note I am only talking to a few guys here not all of you. I can't lie I didn't expect this at all hah(tho I can't say I'm too surprised by who said it). Sorry I'm nervous now.

Anyways to answer the question I'd feel pity definitely. I think one of the biggest issues is that Sakura doesn't really have a support system. And by that I mean someone who she can be honest with about her feelings for Sasuke. The only likely candidate was Kakashi but unfortunately either she didn't trust him enough or she was too busy thinking of Naruto's feelings again and put them ahead of her own.

That's why I liked 680 and the past few chapters at least. If Sakura learns that Naruto will stay by her side and support her no matter how much she dislikes Sasuke then she actually has a good chance of realizing he's not boyfriend material. That sort of relaxation doesn't come easy when you are alone.

And I agree with TsukiChan about Karin.

Spoilers from the latest chapter..

 

This chapter seriously opened my eyes. Like (excuse me for cussing) but damn. Seriously.

 

I never could see the abusive undertones before because like many SasuSaku fans I really only saw the redemption aspect.

 

Sure I haven't shipped SasuSaku since part 1 (and yeah on other forums I will defend NaruSaku because SasuSaku arguments against it do rely on hypocrisy and double standards), but I've always been a fan of it and really, I thought the bad moments weren't THAT bad. I always thought anger at Sasuke's attitude towards Sakura was just exaggerated mainly because the lack of SasuSaku interaction in part 2 made it hard for me to idk see what was so wrong.

 

Even the murder attempts were just so extreme that they appeared to be situation specific (to be fair I apply that to confession as well. When will Sakura EVER have to use her feelings for Naruto like that again?). It was a low point for Sasuke, but not THE lowest you know? I couldn't imagine him trying to kill Sakura again.

 

But what just happened in this chapter? I don't know if you get this, but it affected me WAY more than anything Sasuke has done in the past.

 

Because it was just so damn realistic of abusive cases. I mean I physically cannot even get mad at Sakura and I definitely CANNOT get mad at Kishimoto for writing her reaction that way because have you seen this unfold in real life? Do you know how hard it would've been for Sakura to stand up for herself? This was shockingly realistic for me! In fact the way Naruto stood up for her I feel was the best way to handle it! Sakura will eventually have to come around, but I understand why Kishimoto is making it take a while for her too. Defending someone else is realistically a LOT easier than defending yourself especially in a relationship like Sakura's and Sasuke's.

 

Someone pointed out that even Sakura's body language communicated the dark understones and I definitely agree. So so so so damn much. This was just all around painful to read.

 

I honestly don't think ANY moment has made me feel bad as what happened in this chapter.

 

And what's worse is seeing other SasuSaku fans treat the moment like it was nothing.

 

'Sasuke's rude to everyone' - HOW THE HELL IS THAT A GOOD THING kitten? And I looked through the 678 thread and I agree SO much ramenanmistu. Sasuke was never pointlessly rude. When he first called Sakura useless it was back in part 1 when she wanted to go on a date with him instead of train and even then it didn't come across as rude as it did now. And how can you sit there and ACT like Sakura has special meaning to Sasuke EXCEPT in cases like this?!

 

'I think what Sasuke did to Kakashi was ruder than what he did to Sakura'  - Shut the hell up. Kakashi deserved that no more than Sakura did but DO NOT kittening trivialize his attitude towards her just so your pairing will not look as bad. Especially when you say (or agree with the people saying) the above.

 

'Sasuke's actually just worried/butthurt that Sakura was injured last chapter and just wants to protect her'- I don't think they know what butthurt means. But I also don't think anyone expresses worry/concern like that not even Sasuke.

 

'Sasuke still cares because he protected her with Susanoo'- The best you can hope for is Sasuke finding use in Sakura's healing abilities because he clearly doesn't care nor respect her in any other way. Maybe in a future chapter when Naruto beats his ass down he'll think, 'All this time I still cared for my teammates' but my GOD if you honestly think Sasuke is aware of his 'care' then 'delusional' is not NEARLY a strong enough word to call you.

 

'Sakura needs to punt Sasuke in the face'- 'So that the light will immediately appear in Sasuke's eyes and he'll realize that this woman was strong all along and she's perfect for him'. I think EVERYONE agrees that Sakura needs to hurt Sasuke (badly) but the reasoning differs and some people's reasoning just makes me shake my head. A woman cannot just beat a man up and expect him to fall in love with her if they had the history Sasuke and Sakura have had. This does even apply gender reversed! Do you think that Sakura is falling even MORE in love with Sasuke because she sees how strong he is (of course they do)? Sakura isn't even falling in love with Naruto for his strength! This isn't part 1 where Sasuke was seen as SOOOOO cool for being the best in the class! kittening hell people! 

 

I cannot even believe what some of the SS fandom is saying. And the few rational ones who are calling Sasuke out on his kitten? People are trying to convince them why it's not so bad (adding the disclaimer of course that 'I don't agree with what he did THOOOOO!!!!').

 

Fanon SasuSaku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canon SasuSaku.

 

Give me a fanfic where Sasuke has his part 1 characterization just mature and twisted a little so that he'd accept a romance with Sakura? Yes please.

 

Have canon Sasuke sit there and think 'I'm doing this for your own good Sakura.' HELL TO THE NO!

 

...

 

Sorry for stating what was probably obvious to all of you. Just a disillusioned SasuSaku fan expressing her feelings before she has to go to class.

 

Btw, NaruHina still stinks. But the only argument that really bothers me is some believe this chapter is proof that Naruto was reacting to Hinata last chapter because Sasuke had to tell him that everyone was in the genjutsu.

 

I still find that false because 1) Naruto didn't give Hinata any specific consideration. And B) it's much more likely that in the last chapter, Naruto was just realizing/remembering that while he and his teammates were still safe in Susanno, there were a bunch of other people out there who weren't and he wanted to see what was going on (as evident by him asking what is happening out there). And I still think Hinata's thoughts were meant to symbolize the alliance as a whole asking Naruto to help save them.

 

Or hell maybe she was already asleep and seeing her dream Naruto-kun walking towards her with roses. I really don't care about that pairing.

 

The only sweet moments that made me feel better were:

 

Naruto's face when Sasuke insulted Sakura and the way he defended her by pointing out her extreme use to the team (I don't think he was saying that Sasuke was better than him overall, just better at strategics and analysis...He still sounded kinda bitter when Sasuke said they were surrounded and Naruto replied with a rude sounding "I know.").

 

And Gaara's dream. That pulled on my heartstrings in a completely different way and I can't help but feel Kishimoto did that on purpose because the severe mood whiplash was seriously welcomed. For me at least.

 

I'll probably calm down in a couple of hours. Thanks for reading my rant. 

Hi there!

 

I don't know if this has been said yet, but I see the Hinata moment as her once again representing the voice of the alliance.

 

Like in 615, she spoke for all of the people who died and who were still alive in the war, to communicate to Naruto that he needed to stay strong for them.

 

I think she did the same thing here in that you see everyone fall under the illusion and get in trouble, and she's the one that calls for help. I see it like "Naruto-kun" = "Help us". That's kinda why Naruto didn't call her name or specifically refer to her too.

 

So I agree with everyone who thinks that Naruto was reacting to the thought of everyone being in danger, not just Hinata. In my opinion, Hinata's role was more symbolic (or whatever word works here) of the alliance itself rather than a romantic pairing moment.

 

Did that make sense? Someone else can probably explain it better than me, but that's why I see it that way.

 

EDIT: And I believe Kishimoto specifically used Hinata because, like a lot of people here have said, her role since the beginning has been about admiring Naruto. Well now everyone admires Naruto, but who better to use as a mouth piece than the one who looked up to him the most?

 

Everyone else talks as if they already consider themselves Naruto's equal (Kiba's desire to be Hokage, Shikamaru's desire to be his advisor etc.) I think Hinata's the only one who's been talking about catching up to him right? So I think she's the only one humble enough to actually ask him to save them all (or at least it's mroe believable that she does it).

 

So yeah I just wanted to add that on.

 

To be bluntly honest, I never "got" SasuSaku.

 

Since the beginning it looked like one of the classic love triangles: Boy likes Girl, Girl likes Another Boy, Another Boy does not know/care/reciprocate, Girl starts to warm up to Boy.

 

For me personally, it's the fact that Sasuke and Sakura are such dynamic characters. Neither can be described in only three words and you can't just place a label on them(like JUST calling Sakura a tsundere as if that's all there is to her character) and that'll explain it all.

 

It makes it easier for me to relate/understand/feel sympathy for their feelings and so imagining a boy like Sasuke returning Sakura's feelings and being genuinely happy with her gives me a warm fuzzy, feelings.

 

I guess if you switch the boy and girl in that very last statement; the appeal comes from there. Because it was great enough seeing Sasuke start to care for his teammates as friends(I like seeing the loner-on-purpose make friends), but seeing the potential for just a litttttttle bit more down the road would've been awesome. 

 

 

I have seen it often (Ranma 1/2, Slam Dunk, Evangelion... gender-flipped in Macross/Robotech or Kimagure Orange Road...) so I never gave much thought to SasuSaku. The story did not give me reasons to care for it, either.

 

Anyhow I appreciate you tried to give your point of view in a polite fashion, and I regret you have run into people bashing SS fans. There are rules against that in this forum, and they ARE enforced, but our mods can not spot all.

 

Just like how Naruto's part 2 development was dominated but Sasuke, ANY of Sasuke's ties/attachments to Konoha was dominated by Naruto.

 

In part 1 Sakura obviously loved Sasuke but did not understand him. If the story focused more(even by just a little) on HER journey/attempts to understand Sasuke more, then I would've thought that SS has a big chance. But it didn't. Only Naruto tried to understand him and so I see where all of the claims of Sakura's love for Sasuke being shallow come from and I can see why people don't really care to see her win him over haha.

 

I don't think her love was kiddie pool shallow. I just think that she was nowhere near mature enough to love a guy like Sasuke. She has matured by leaps and bounds but really towards understanding Naruto better. I mean I think she's mature enough now to at least get to know Sasuke better and do much better than when she was 12. But the story shows that she has a much better fit with Naruto now soo..yeah.

 

It's fine haha. We're all human. And the point of this thread is to hopefully debunk some of the harsher accusations and generalizations. But thanks :)! 

 

 

SS had a chance to become a serious contender for the love triangle drama if sasuke had romantic feeling to sakura backthen.

it doesn't necessary a proclamation of love, only a thought is enough, but sasuke never show it to her or anyone else  

sasuke is the combination of rukawa and vegetta.

 

Actually, I don't believe that Sasuke needed to have romantic feelings for Sakura back then for SS to be a contender. Because Sakura herself didn't have romantic feelings for Naruto and look at where they are now.

 

It's kinda what I say earlier, but I think in order for SS to have a better chance, the story would have needed to focus more on Sakura's refusal to let HER bond with Sasuke be severed and vice versa. I mean there were some points where it looked like Sakura was just as heartbroken as Naruto, but in the confession it appeared that she was chasing Sasuke mainly for Naruto.

 

Sasuke...I liked how in the fight with Killer Bee he thought of her, when he finally showed up to the battlefield she was the first person he spoke to, and when she was in trouble no one had to tell him to go save her. With him, it's the little things I gotta latch onto to believe that he still cares.

 

But with Sakura? There really wasn't an excuse NOT to focus on her feelings apart from Naruto.

 

On top of that, Sasuke hasn't been romantic towards Karin. Different, but not romantic. But I still believe that is the most likely Sasuke couple because we have little hints that Sasuke cares, but Karin's romantic feelings are given a lot more focus.

I used to be a SS fan before I jumped ship and stayed with NS (no regrets!) but I would be interested In why you still like it.
My question is, are you still preferring SS or has SK started to seem more likely? And one more, what differences do you like in SK compared to SS?

 

Understandable. To be honest NaruSaku does look to be the end game pairing so I ship it for that haha.

 

This is something you've probably heard a MILLION times, but when I think of SasuSaku, I think of beyond the Kage Summit. Don't get me wrong, the murder attempts definitely have to be addressed and trust rebuilt.

 

But it's sort of like with NaruSaku and the confession. It's a low point but NOT the DEFINING point. It's another obstacle to work through and like I said, I like how well Sakura's and Sasuke's personalities can mesh well together. So I think they could work through it. If Sakura could forgive Gaara for once trying to kill her and Sasuke can realize how wrong it was to hurt Karin, they can definitely work through the murder attempts. 

 

I really like them both but SK looks to be ten times more likely than SS. I mean by a long shot. Even if it doesn't happen it's still more likely to happen  than SS lol.

 

The main difference between the SS and SK is interactions and role in relation to Sasuke's character. And I have to run again but I will definitely elaborate more when I get back!

 

Both Karin and Sakura treated Sasuke differently, and Sasuke treated them differently in return. But other than the Kage Summit arc I wouldn't say that he's ever acted despicably unforgivable towards them(moreso Karin than Sakura. With Sakura he typically brushed off her concerns even if he did appreciate them. With Karin he typically addressed them and explained himself).

 

What makes Karin stand apart from Sakura is that Sasuke needed/s her in a way he never needed/s Sakura. Sakura could definitely represent the concern he's been missing(it's been beaten over our heads that he's had no one since his family died so I think Sakura so openly expressing her concern and crying for him, while obviously annoying him at times, is the reason why he said 'thank you' to her and appreciated her in part 1).

 

But it's pretty clear that 'concern for his wellbeing' isn't really what Sasuke needed the most. He needed help.

 

And that's what Karin can give him that Sakura can't. Sakura wanted to steer him down a different path(not a bad one but a different one) and that's what I think is the biggest difference. I don't recall Karin ever thinking about the future, but it's clear that helping Sasuke get revenge on Itachi was her goal too. Okay yes, Sakura implied that they would one day get him, but that just showed how little she understood Sasuke. 

 

But above all, I think Kishimoto wrote Sasuke to realize that too. He never got rid of her, he never forced her to shut up and do as told and he apologized to her.

 

Karin too. She was given the same choice as Sakura, Konoha or Sasuke, and she has obviously chosen Sasuke. In contrast to Sakura who thinks minimally of Sasuke on the battlefield, Karin hasn't geared a single thought towards Naruto(you know, the guy with the REALLY warm chakra and who she might or might not know to be her cousin).

 

Whatever feelings they have for each other, some part of it is mutual. Whereas Sakura and Sasuke only had mutual concern(I would say friendship too but right now that's iffy and back in art 1 Sakura's feelings were too strong for the friendship that Sasuke felt).

 

I also think it's been said here a lot that Kishimoto thinks hard about how to set up a situation so that the story goes in the direction he wants it too. The most obvious and recent example is the CPR thing. I mean three medics right there and ONLY Sakura has the ability to continue healing Naruto? Definite set up right there.

 

Kishimoto wrote the story so that Sasuke wanted Karin as opposed to Sakura on his team. He gave her an ability to sense chakra instead of making it so that Sakura's smarts could be used to track Itachi down. She's an Uzumaki. She's kicking ass and taking names to be at Sasuke's side. Her role is definitely unique compared to Suigetsu and Jugo(definitely so in the fandom where she's talked about infinitely more than those two).

 

Kishimoto is giving her roles and keeping her relevant and I think that too is a set up for something. Whether sh and Sasuke will be in an explicit romantic relationship at the end is anyone's guess but I do think something will be hinted there.

 

I'm trying to keep these short haha. Hope I answered your questions...