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Bail o' Lies

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#978920 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 28 May 2020 - 11:42 PM

Also, it makes no sense that Naruto, who was raised as an orphan, would be so unwavering committed to the village, the rookies, his teammates, etc. While Sasuke, who was raised as part of a larger and powerful clan, would be the one to shun everything and go into a solitary life, giving up his goal of resurrecting any part of his clan. ( I don't count his relationship with Sakura/Sarada cause it was clearly something he invested nothing in.)


It makes no sense that the orphan wouldn't have to come to grips with those feelings of abandonment, and the family kid wouldn't have to deal with the fact that he alone is letting the rest of his clan (letting the Uchiha die out) down by going it alone. 

No it does. Naruto is desperate to have the bonds he was denied when he was young. While Sasuke who lost it dwells with that lost, focuses on revenge, and doesn't want to try again with other people. The level they go to are absurd because Kishimoto pushed it to those extremes to justify their final fight.

#978899 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 26 May 2020 - 10:08 PM

random question but why does itachi say only 3 people had awakened mangekyo sharingan to sasuke if he were to awaken it when 3 already had including madara, shisui and itachi himself?

The third wasn't Shisui at the time it was Madara's brother. You know for the whole brother fighting brother for the eyes thing Itachi was going on about.


That was Itachi saying it. So he could have been lying to Sasuke or those are the only ones he knows. Or more likely Kishimoto first limited to that but then expanded it when he focused on the uchiha more and more. Since eventually it apparently became a thing that the uchiha did along with abusing the izangi move to the point they had to come up with a move to punish people for using it.

#978886 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 25 May 2020 - 06:44 PM

Let's refrain from making prejudice folks. lol.

Jokes aside, there's indeed lack of understanding on the subtle messages that Kishi himself put through the manga.

One of the biggest one is of course, Hinata tipping over a rock when Naruto was dying. That's very insulting. The girl he will spend the rest of his life with, wasn't even standing by his side in his critical moment. Not even making appearance or contribution, but shown to be tipping over a rock.

She also wasn't there when Naruto woke up (we got Sakura who did the CPR stuff). Likewise, Sakura wasn't there when Sasuke dying. She wasnt there when Sasuke woke up too.

And of course, let's not forget the bento scene in Boruto Gaiden. The final piece of Kishimoto's writing on this franchise. We were shown that Naruto purposefully left soon to meet Sasuke, despite knowing his son is coming to deliver bento that Hinata made for Naruto.

Now, for everyone who doesn't know Japanese culture, bento (lunchbox) is very important for Japanese Moms. It's a representation of wife's/mother's love to her family. Now, we were shown that Naruto purposefully avoid receiving bento that Hinata made (Boruto said "He knew mom was making it for him, that jerk..." with the strong emphasis on 'knew').

That's probably the highest insult a husband could give his wife. I'd consider it equivalent to raising a middle finger in a subtle way. lol.

And the worst part for NH? The bento was given by Sarada to Naruto. The first thing came to his mind? He recalled about Sakura and Sasuke giving him bento when he was a kid.

There wasn't any thought about Hinata at all coming from Naruto with the bento.

That was really sad for Hinata. Not only her husband left and didn't receive the bento that she made (as a symbol of her love to him). But when he received it (from Sarada), he thought of someone else.

That, my friends, how the author subtly tell the audience that Naruto and Hinata do not have a happy marriage. Likewise with Sakura and Sasuke. None of these couples are depicted as happy and content in the canon materials.

Ah, so that's the importance of a bento that chapter keep going on and on about. And you remember most of that event. He did mentally thank Boruto after having his flashback, but that comes off as he is happy his son/Hinata's son passed off the delivery to Sakura/Sasuke's daughter because it allowed him to be nostalgic about how team 7 formed. After that he was especially friendly to Salad (when the manga kind of implied they weren't that close before hand) to the point by the end it was clear he became her father figure and role model.


To be honest both incidents come off as spiteful by kishimoto by taking a scene demanded by his editor and twisting it so its the exact opposite of what they wanted.


Your forgot about the fact that in the becoming Hokage one-shot kishimoto made Naruto sleeps in his home-office couch, and it was implied he often slept their even before he became hokage. Which the anime desperately made it out to be because he was out partying with his friends in the ova, and then when that kind of confirmed people claims that he taken up drinking in the anime the changed it to he is a complete lightweight who can't even handle looking at alcohol. 


Most Hinata fans are just people that liked the idea of the shy girl getting with the boy she likes, and didn't give it much thought beyond that. The crazy ones are a vocal minority.

#978827 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 19 May 2020 - 01:12 PM

I stopped reading Black Clover when the Magic Emperor died. Although someone spoiled it for me, so I have to catch up with the manga. I'm not planning to watch anything from SP in the future. I don't really care about pairings. I know viz will force their end game pairings with completed popular manga, because you will know have to expect that these forced pairings will be a common occurrence in Shonen Jumps manga. best not to get attached to pairings with this magazine. 

What happened in Naruto was a mistake cause by thirsty otakus' in the Naruto anime team and the editorial staff of shounen jump. 


In shounen Jump since the ending, even before it, every manga in the magazine has made it a policy to make it abundantly and blatantly clear what the official pairings are. So, they don't have what happened to kishimoto happen to them.

#978795 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 16 May 2020 - 03:54 AM

I was reading the comments. Most of the users commented about how he was ostracized from the village and had no one to believe in him, but didn't "The Last: Naruto the Movie" retconned his early childhood (and personality) for Hinata? Isn't it true that he doesn't understand what love means? All that loneliness he felt as a child only to realize that he couldn't differentiate his love of ramen from his "love" of Hinata. That's why he didn't know Hinata was always with him since day one! His first true friend and first true love...

I jest, but honestly being a reincarnation of basically a God does seem pretty privileged to me. Then being told by Hagoromo that his feud with Sasuke has been destined since Asura just puts a nail in a coffin for it, huh?

I just chalk that up to no one really cares about the Last anymore, considers it canon, relevant, or even significant. 


Beyond that, there are people trying to find aspects of Anime problematic* so they can demand it to change just like they done with Western media. Then again one of the reason anime is in a resurgence is because they destroyed western media.


*One of them is the fact that anime character look white to them.

#978521 Samurai 8 has been axed!

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 26 April 2020 - 11:26 PM

Here's kind of a if not the problem with Kishimoto coming out and either revealing that the ending was a mandate from the higher ups or he tries to change the ending. Boruto is still ongoing. 


If he does anything like what we think he should have done he would be stabbing the people working on it in the back and like Rules said would probably get blacklisted for that alone.


The mangaka of shaman king was able to go back and rework the ending because their was no sequel. Kubo is able if he wasn't to use the upcoming Bleach anime to change the ending if he wants to because theirs no sequel or spin off someone else other than him has worked on.


Another thing is that since Boruto is still ongoing he can never be completely off the radar because Boruto was his creation before he moved on and let others work on it.


Wow, so no interview on the cancellation of Samurai 8? What a pity. Wanted to see his how he would respond to the media and fans (not Japan).

Samurai 8 was just some random flop editorial over-hyped. Why would they want to talk about it instead of just moving on?


Manga industry is built upon loyal readers --it's the returning customers that keep manga afloat. For that reason, characters popularity poll is often considered seriously by authors. It's their job to strike the balance of servicing the fans, at the same time ensuring the stories are sound. Whoever made the decision to went with NH/SS clearly had bias.

I'd recommend Kishimoto to stay away from manga industry for a couple of years. Try to look into other media (e.g. video games, anime, etc). Anything but manga and/or the Boruto Naruto next generation, until at least people 'forget' about Naruto franchise.

Dragon Ball franchise made a good return (commercially) by riding into video games with its new technology. In the meantime, before making comeback, Toriyama was involved in many projects outside of the manga industry. Fans would argue that they milk too much, but hey, all things considered, I'd say they've made a good fortune and keep their fans entertained.

They can kill Boruto series now, and get some chance to make comeback years later like Dragon Ball did. Or they can continue the loss leader game. Selling license just because it has an assumption that people by large are still watch Naruto series.

The proxy metric for Boruto success is simple: how many Boruto movies are made since the ending? I didn't count the first Boruto movie, since it's clearly produced within the same budget as The Last.

To be honest I think he did try staying away to let things cool over...but with Boruto ongoing. He can't.


As for video games. Naruto had good video games when it was on going the best being Naruto Ninja Storm series. Last game if people would recall was suppose to have a release date pretty close to when Naruto ended, then the backlash happened, they moved the release date back months so it wouldn't effect sales, and once they were done with that game CC2 said they were done with Naruto and wanted to move on to another anime. Their next game was Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot.


Oh Toonami took Boruto off the air months back.


There have been no movies or ova since The Boruto Movie...other then the Naruto became Hokage ova.


If Kishi were to come out and publicly apologize for what happened, it would only be because bosses allowed him to. Anything else is, at best, going to be an off the cuft comment that would be hard to verify.


That hypothetical apology would not just make Kishi look bad. It would make at editors at SJ look bad for letting it pass when their job is to help refine a manga into a viable product. If his comments point in the direction of SP and the influence of their staff, then he'll alienate a studio who potentially could bring his work to the home screen. Sponsors would be tagged because they helped support a product now said to be below quality, or even make merchandise for it. You get the idea. Everyone connected to creating and distributing the series would now be associated with a product the creator has now denounced.


And let's not forget, they are still trying to profit off the IP with the cancerous tumor they grafted onto it.


Kishi could very well end up blacklisted within the industry. It happens. Look at any idol who gets wrapped up in a scandal such as smoking or having a boyfriend. There are popular actors in Japan who suffer such a fate.  There was even an isekai anime in production that was pretty much wiped out when it's creator was revealed to be a massive racist when the announcement brought attention to his twitter. The Japanese only apologize when it's safe to do so (this ties into their government denying what happened in WWII, because it would make the people who built modern Japan look bad).

He kind of already admitted that the editors pressured him for years to change the heroine to Hinata in interviews already. We don't keep track/records of his interview -though honestly we probably should have- but from what I recall now that I trying to recall...he pretty much admitted to a lot of things in slip ups throughout the interviews he had since the ending. Its just often ignored or looked over.


The only time Kishimoto can apologies and do the NS ending if he wants to by that point is once Boruto ends.

#978462 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 24 April 2020 - 12:03 AM

He was holding back because of the promise of a life time he made to her.  He didn't feel worth of actively pursuing her till he brought back Sasuke. As he pointed out to Sai after the Pein arc. He still hang out and somewhat flirted because he still was attracted to her.

#978400 Boruto: Naruto Next Generation Anime Discusion

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 20 April 2020 - 02:34 AM

Well at least Naruto doesn't look as bad as he did in the Boruto movie. Dear God what with that girl's hair at 40 seconds?! Also, what group sent the idiot repeater to learn medical jutsu? Are they trying to die in the field?


Its the sequel to SP flagship money maker based off the Naruto anime team staff supported ending and it still being licensed out to other countries. It doesn't matter what its making in those countries as they still get a base price for the licensing. Let's say this Naruto was distributed to about 23 countries if all those countries do the same for Boruto and they pay lets say 500,000 a year. Then they would make 11.5 million a year easily off that, 23 million if they also do that with Naruto.

wait seriously there giving himawari the charka chain wtf
I mean Sakura showed anger strength before training with tsunade

That was me somewhat jesting somewhat expecting it to happen.


Yes but it wasn't anything more than typical angry anime girl strength.

#978388 Boruto: Naruto Next Generation Anime Discusion

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 19 April 2020 - 06:51 AM

And here I thought Super strength required excellent chakra control which is the basis of medical ninjutsu. And Sakura only gained the super-strength after obtaining mastery of medical techniques. Oh wait never mind. F*** canon consistency am I right? :zaru:

Didn't Tsunade make a list of what is required to be a medical ninja right before taking Sakura as an apprentice. And from what I recall the super strength was based on like you said chakra control and was made so a medic nin could survive long enough to heal their teammates.


But its obvious what happened; they decided to give Salad a weakness to deal with complaints. Remember one of the things that is turning the audiences off of Boruto is that the kids are getting their parents' powers with no efforts. So like Rey in the rise of skywalker they give her a quick limitation/moment of weakness and say the problem is addressed. 


So she instead of being a mixture of her parents powers -like the rest of her friends- is instead just sasuke with sakura's super strength. Which doesn't make sense, since Sasuke not the one who raised and trained her. She should be Sakura with the sharingan if anything. But then she wouldn't have the chidori, and it not like they people working on Boruto like Sakura anyways.

#978356 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 16 April 2020 - 09:30 PM

...You need to know the basic of team 7's dynamic at that time. Sasuke was their friend but left, Naruto is an orphan, and Sakura likes Sasuke and is liked by Naruto. Also the Akatsuki are the bad guys hunting Naruto because he has a demon inside him.

#978336 Boruto: Naruto Next Generation Anime Discusion

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 15 April 2020 - 01:14 PM

*Laughs* I can't believe that they're people on Twitter threatening to boycott Black Clover until Boruto is put back on the Toonami slot. Kiddies, your show wasn't taken off the air because of "unfair bias" or "lack of optics" by the CN execs(or whatever conspiracy theory you conjure up to comfort yourself away from the truth), it was pulled because it was doing terribly in terms of ratings. That's business and common sense. Even in Japan, Boruto has been shifted around from timeslot to timeslot because no one is interested in watching it aside from little kids.  And no one but you weirdoes who are in complete denial over Boruto's quality as story, wants to slough through multiple episodes of filler about characters that are as shallow as a pond and as likable as a King Cobra. 

Oh so it has been completely knocked off Toonami roster now. Let's see...2 episodes of dragonball kai did they already finish super and don't want to air it again, Bob's burger, American Dad, Rick and Morty, Family guy, lot of fox shows that are now owned by disney I think, My hero academy, demon slayer,food wars, black clover, jo jo golden wind, Naruto...its in the chikara arc you know the NS movie that was replace by road of a ninja, Genndy's Primal and Samurai Jack and the venture brother and boon docks reruns and so on.


So they rather have at least 9 re-runs of adult cartoons and six or so other anime than Boruto one of which is its prequel. How embarrassing.


Well first off Boruto doesn't really fit in with Toonami/adult swim seeing that it is a kids show targeted at really young kids as baby first shounen. Which is how it finally stop chaining time-slot when it finally was put on sunday in Japan. Second, they are kittening about this just like they are kittening about Samurai 8 being cancel which they only really care about because its kishimoto work and if his work is constantly getting cancelled after he gave them nH it lead to question about if that was popular. Ulitmiately their kittening doesn't matter because three they don't put their money where their mouth is and buy kishimoto's products to support his work.


And it still begs the question...why are they still making it?

It still being licensed out to foreign countries. I assume Boruto still being dubbed its just off toonami. Hell it still has viewers in the middles east and china apparently from what I gather more out of lack of other anime; though important as china as always is a big market everyone wants a piece of. Everywhere else they moved on to other anime like MHA.

#978254 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 10 April 2020 - 06:50 AM

Which was the dumbest marketing move they ever pulled. They believed the franchise would be global cash-cows like Dragon Ball and Pokemon. You see why those two are currently successful to this day: those franchises NEVER, EVER ignore their home market and fanbase!

It was a Global Cash-Cow. Until it wasn't. They thought that every fanbase, except for the domestic Japanese fanbase, were Hinata fans. When in reality it was only the US and that was mainly for three reasons: people sympathized with Hinata seeing her as a victim, saw Sakura as a slut for friend-zoning and hitting Naruto, and the anime stopped at the end of Naruto part one. Of course a lot of Hinata fans were working in Naruto so they saw what they wanted to see and convince everyone else Hinata would be a huge hit.


It made sense to them because they wanted that international fanbase because that was the selling point of Naruto; it was Shounen Jump/TV Tokyo/SP biggest international seller. That's also why it instantly got a sequel, and why Samurai 8 was hyped up as the next big manga/anime. Once both those flopped; they stopped caring and focused on things that were becoming a hit like My Hero Academy and such.

#978238 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 09 April 2020 - 06:15 PM

Ironic, don't you think? since there was SOOO MUCH pandering to the American fanbase for Naruto. To the point they thought that having Hinata as Naruto's "true love"/"dutch wife" would sky rocket merchandise sales and profits in the Americas :zaru:

That was the plan. Naruto was the big international success. They didn't mind losing the Japanese fanbase if the international made up for it; it didn't. tWhich is partly why kishimoto Samurai 8 didn't last that long even once it went international for the first volume...I think.


The nH fans were suppose to support it, but they just pirate.

#978222 Boruto: Naruto Next Generation Anime Discusion

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 08 April 2020 - 04:57 AM

it's the same singer that did the original naruto opening in the sasuke rescue arc

Oh I know that, its just another call back to that arc to tie it into Nail and how he is The New Sasuke -despite Naruto going on and on how he is him-.

#978084 Boruto: Naruto Next Generation Anime Discusion

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 26 March 2020 - 03:28 AM

Wow, they're people who honestly expect Kishimoto to come back to this dumpster fire of a series (that he deliberately left in the hands of others because he was sick of Naruto) now that he has no other projects to "distract" him.  They truly don't understand that he wants nothing to do with the franchise anymore.

Well, it is part of their weird mindset they gotten themselves into in order to try and justify why Boruto is good/great or how it fine it only has some minor flaws. The thing is their is no fixing Boruto. The story is playing the same beats that Naruto did with the SNS conflict, they have to deal with the slow pacing of the manga, and it already been going for what 3 maybe 4 years now.


What kishimoto is probably doing right now is probably wondering where Samurai 8 went wrong and how can he make his next manga work. Honestly, if people want to do him a kindness either send him a letter or do a youtbue video pointing out what were the flaws of Samurai 8, as well as what was good, and how he could improve for the next one.