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Posted 05 August 2013 - 07:00 PM

^While I agree with your points, there is a difference between saying "She's not interesting" and "I don't find her interesting". It's all just an opinion.

 

I think it's easier to like Hinata if you like NH, because 90% of her character is about her love story. She had a nice Hyuuga plot in part 1..well that got ditched long ago and since I don't like NH, there isn't much to find appealing about her anymore. :pinch:

Probably. I find it kind of hard to talk about Hinata without getting NH involved one way or another.



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Posted 05 August 2013 - 07:02 PM

The thing is that Sakura and Hinata are two different characters. Sakura being a main character and Hinata being a side character is a single fact that is enough to tell us for how they should be as characters and how they would roll in a manga.

 

Sakura has many aspects and roles that concerns the plot, other characters, special cases like being Tsunade's desciple, etc. While Hinata almost everything should revolve about something in particular and the rest is bits here and there like any other side character.

 

You can say it's the principles and basis of manga on how they are and should be.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 08:17 PM

The thing is that Sakura and Hinata are two different characters. Sakura being a main character and Hinata being a side character is a single fact that is enough to tell us for how they should be as characters and how they would roll in a manga.

 

Sakura has many aspects and roles that concerns the plot, other characters, special cases like being Tsunade's desciple, etc. While Hinata almost everything should revolve about something in particular and the rest is bits here and there like any other side character.

 

You can say it's the principles and basis of manga on how they are and should be.

 

The main issue with Sakura and Hinata is 2 fold on kishi's part, he missed opportunities to make Sakura better than he did and for Hinata he could have just expanded the story. Though there is fault for his missed time on Sakura, he missed a lot more with Hinata. I'll explain:

 

Sakura: As the heroine, kishi has used Sakura but the degree he could have used her could have been better. Sakura did have increments of growth in part 1 and he did make good on her development in the start of part 2. Sakura was able to display her abilities and she got a major fight. However in the time she has spent onscreen, it became apparent that Sakura is a mentally driven character predominant while her physical development is secondary. Basically there were times when he could have given Sakura more attention, kinda like the early parts of part 2, with the kazekage rescue and sasuke and sai arcs. There was plenty of situations in which he could have given Sakura some physical driven development beyond Sasori. A fight between her and Kabuto would have been great back in the Sasuke and Sai arc. Another chance was for her own training back in the time Naruto was learning wind style. One of the biggest opportunities was also in the war for her to face Chiyo if it came to that. Sakura has had some great moments beyond Sasori, that is true I mean nailing the centipede in the pain arc, busting the white zetsu, and now demolishing a horde of jubbi spawn and both summoning katsuyu and healing people, she has had good moments but if anything Sakura's predominant traits for her development are mentally driven, basically her actions tend to flow with the story, this is apparent from major events like Sasuke getting the curse mark, Naruto saving her from Gaara, Sasuke running away, Naruto making the promise, her getting stronger for her team 7, the burdens and curses both her teammates faced, Sasuke's actions, the land of iron, resolving to help Naruto in the fight against obito. More or less her mental development and outlook towards the effects and actions on/caused too others, mainly team 7, is what her character is about. This is also a bit logical in a sense as Sakura was created to be the human element of team 7, this includes human weakness and emotional events. As in what was she the normal girl with no losses or inherited powers to do in a team where her 2 teammates had suffered loss and loneliness? There were times kishi could have done more with Sakura to give her more time kinda like he gave Naruto screentime for 3 training sessions while Sasuke was just given the myangeko on the fly during other fights and Sakura's herself occurred as a work in progress from the timeskip. But overall she has not been bad in other means. Heroes and Heroines do not need to be all powerhouses and able to wreak mountains, I mean now Sakura is able to shake the earth greatly and patch up many people at once, but she has been good where it counts, fulfilling the humanity she was made to represent. If it were not for anime or fillers, she would have not had some extended scenes for fighting which is at least a benefit in some aspects here (this can apply to any and all characters kinda like Asuma in the sora arc before he was axed off he really only had a small scuffle with the sound nin before they tried to kill Shikamaru and had a short encounter with Kisame, his only real fights were against Hidan who he dies against and against his own team as en edo tensei zombie but that had story purpose too.) Even then Sakura is I would say as a character who has developed over the story is 80% mentally built, 20% physically built, this is due to her events in the manga, but she still has her moments where it counts in both of them. She is definitely a mentally driven heroine but still has her own physical aspects that make her notable. Also as a side note, yes many felt her powerup was a quick random occurrence, it was not, it had a purpose, the Sannin deadlock. No matter how strong or weak Tsunade seemed to ororchimaru or Jiraya, they all had their ups and downs on each other, Kishi confirms this. I mean we see Tsunade the most in the series out of any Sannin. Sakura is able to use kage level power now, not as much as Naruto or Sasuke, but she still has her purpose to be a force of her own, this includes healing knowledge as a medical ninja. Her powerup serves a purpose, to keep that Sannin deadlock theme alive. But in all, Sakura is a good character, a mentally driven heroine who you see growing up as the story moves on, she moves from being a pure daydreaming child with no talents to a serious and committed ninja who gains respect for others and others gain respect for her peers over her mastery of medical and chakra enhanced strength.

 

Hinata: Hinata as a character, while the backstory is easily understood and the plot was able to be expanded. It never was. In the same way Kishi missed opportunities of physical growth for Sakura, There were cases where he missed Hinata entirely. The deal with Hinatas growth compared to Sakura's is, its limited. Hers is very very limited. There have been cases when Sakura has been sidelined but for Hinata, those times of being sidelined are even greater. Remember the time Sakura was basically sidelined during the Return of Itachi and search for Tsunade arc? She came back in the following when Sasuke defected, this brought forth the important promise of a lifetime scene and gave her growth in which she saw Naruto as a full friend. Hinata though, her time of importance was in the chunin exams and the moment Naruto finished pummeling Neji, that importance would end until she made another scene in the pain arc. As a side character yes Hinata is naturally not going to be expected to have as much as screentime as Sakura, the problem here though is, whenever Sakura was missing or out of the picture, it was like 3X the length for Hinata. Even then there are other side characters who have had much more important reoccuring roles that notably impact or influence others like Naruto or others significantly more then her. Characters like Shikamaru, Tsunade, Gaara, even Bee and Nagato have had more impact on Naruto than Hinata and they appear even less.  Bee spent a whole lot of time with Naruto which was important in how they could relate and also how they had the same ideals for those they cared about. Nagato even, for his one fight with Naruto and then minor sealing upon re meeting, you find that Naruto focuses on Nagato more than Hinata during the events between her defense and Nagato's story. The problem with Hinata is she had the set-up for a story which could have been expanded, could have grown into something more but she became less important in the long run. Hinata's only real correlation characters were Naruto and Neji. Shino and Kiba were her teammates but their development likewise is limited, yet you still see Kiba at least getting a fair amount of attention even for a guy with just 1 battle. The story of the Hyuga was present and open for expansion but this storyline basically ended when the Sage of the 6 paths was introduced. The Byuakgun no longer had a place of central importance in the storyline as it once could have. Neji appeared more than Hinata herself as well, his story was given a good driven path of former foe to good friend. But in terms of lasting roles, Hinata misses about 300 or so chapters of importance between the time the chunin exam fight again neji ends and until her event in the pain arc. Even then that involvement just gets nearly forced to the back. We don't see any mention or reflection of it for a long time, only a short memory from when Naruto's clone saved her. Then we get 615 but again, its quickly bypassed this time only Hinata remembering the event. I'm not speaking out of pairings here, just that with her total involvement, it is so limited its like at this point we see Hinata do something major then she just tends to only be present and stand around like the other majority cast. The main deal here is Hinata has less screentime, less screentime=less we can work with her. She is not as complex as others. If Hinata had at least the presence of Shikamaru, or team 8 itself was given more time, maybe if they got their own arc like team 10 did then it would make more sense to call Hinata a major character but she is not, she is a minor character. When Neji died, her own involvement in the plot became much more restricted. Aside from Naruto there is not much else who she correlates with. When the time comes for Sasuke to be dealt with this is her biggest downfall, she never even said a word to the guy (save in the bonds movie). Now she is just being a watcher for Sakura to keep updated on the battlefield. Hinata has a bit left in her but to call her completely important would be an understatement, she has her moments but if Kishi does not build on those then where does her development go? Where does it lead? Sakura's speech from 630 was in part because of her experience in the land of iron, even in 635 that has been built upon too from the land of iron and 540. So what is Hinata's development to be if her own moments are all but placed in the background? This is the problem with Hinata, she is too limited but as the story is now its too late, her major moment so far was 615 but if Kishi didn't build on that, if Naruto still loves Sakura, if he even gave us a hint of NS from 631 using Minato no less then whats the point of her romantic hopes of Naruto? This is the problem with Hinata, she is too limited making her a grey character. The manga is almost done, the major fights are coming, Naruto vs Sasuke is a team 7 only zone, not team 7 plus Hinata. Aside from gaining confidence and approval to lead her clan and stand beside Naruto as an acknowledged ally, I cannot see much else for her espcially when her own development from 633 feels kinda like a reversion/repeat of the stuff we know she has said for years and still has not gone much of anywhere. In fact this is where I see in part why NH is not able to work, because when Kishi is showing us the hints of NS and Naruto still loving Sakura this late, and still nothing on Hinata's end what are we to expect? Sakura cannot go over to Sasuke or it would uproot her development and just make her growth become unwarranted. It would make Naruto's promise to her unimportant, even then thats it, the promise and the development around Naruto, we see this brought up more times than Hinata even appears and we are to somehow expect Naruto to just foresake what he said to Sakura? No. just no. Hinata is a decent character but as the manga was written and we see the majority of the stuff laid out focusing mostly on NS, there cannot be a sudden shift or turn in which Hinata gets a free and convenient open pass for Naruto to like her, espcially when we see the development his love for Sakura and her concern and care for him has taken, espcially now with development showing Naruto still loves Sakura, Minato sees her like Kushina, Kushina gave a foreshadow of Naruto wanting a girlfriend like her, and Sakura starting to not trust Sasuke. Hinata's own limitation is in effect the hindrance to NH. If she was around more it would be bigger but she was not. Hinata is decent, but because she has limited attention, this makes her not as developed and in effect easier to understand because there is less content with her.



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Posted 05 August 2013 - 11:28 PM

I think Hinata is a simpler character and so its easier to see why she does what she does. Also I believe a lot off ppl especially the ones who started with the anime way back when associate Sakura with the hot, snobby, b*tch from high school. 



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Posted 05 August 2013 - 11:50 PM

I think Hinata is a simpler character and so its easier to see why she does what she does. Also I believe a lot off ppl especially the ones who started with the anime way back when associate Sakura with the hot, snobby, b*tch from high school. 

Funny, because Kishi made her a girl who had a rough childhood because she has a feature that people would make fun of. Not only that, but she believed that she has nothing to offer. The only one that is like that, though I wouldn't say the last part lol, is Ino. The closest I can think of.



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Posted 06 August 2013 - 12:19 PM



Probably. I find it kind of hard to talk about Hinata without getting NH involved one way or another.

Well you're right because Nh is N and Hinata but it's not about it, it's when NH is involved Hinata is the main look at doujins and stuff and helps to know what happens on the minds of the fanbase, everytime i read one, Hinata is the main and Naruto is downgraded to some kind of side character.

NH is a pairing centered on Hinata and that's all, even the manga helps to understand this, mostly of the panels is Hinata and Hinata , 90% overall is her and Naruto featuring on flashbacks.


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 12:40 PM

Zu zu zu zuuun!!!

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 12:56 PM

@lady gt
You're kishimoto right??!!! :P
Omg how good it's.

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 01:11 PM

Zu zu zu zuuun!!!

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You got to be Kishi's editor or someone because good god, it looks incredible. Trust me, I'm not overselling it, I seriously think that.

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 01:39 PM

Zu zu zu zuuun!!!

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Well thats a nice picture there, reminds me of your other one a while back from showing Sakura and Kushina standing Naruto and Minato with the temper's in the background. I swear it would not be suprising in a future chapter if Minato is still around for a bit before disappearing but sees Naruto and Sakura then thinks of himself and Kushina, seriously if he does a thought like that and think just like us or he listened to you Kushina, he is happy. That would be enough to say case closed NS is canon, it would be hinting it just too much then and it would be so obvious, otherwise nice work, love how its detailed like the manga.



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Posted 06 August 2013 - 01:46 PM

@ LadyGT: Your drawings are awesome. You should seriously think about having a job in studios or something like that. You're really talented. By the way, are you going to color it then put it in deviant art ? It will really look great and I'm sure you'll have admirers on your drawing like always XD


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 02:00 PM

What irritated me the most was the fact that some people posted "Make a Hinata one" in the comments, it seems that they can't stand the fact that Sakura is getting attention .. she is the heroine of the series, what they expected??  :glare:
 
 
anyway .. Awesome video! She made a great Sakura!!!!

Haha yeah I saw those comments :lmao: like thatll ever happen, but those were only like 3 comments. The rest were like how shes awesome and cute and perfect and how sakira is the best heroine. Hinata doesnt get that kind of attention and its only natural, I mean, shes not in the top ten popular charscters amongst the japanese shes not that popular. Sakura is the heroine and shes the top female. What do you expect? Shes loved amongst the japanese. I resd the japanese comments and they said? "Wow sakura-chan is so pretty!" Or "this is so cute" and "your perfect as sakura" and "great cosplay as the heroine" and "wow awesome cosplay" and sasaki replied back to them like, "yes thank you thats great!" Nigahiga liked the video and thanked her for her help. Some other japanese youtubers replied "it was really fun! We shoukd do this more often!" Basically, the japanese fans were all "wows" and "great" and "happy" and all about how sakura looks great and cute and how sasaki looks great. Only natural response!

You shouldve seen all my japanese friends on twitter! They really were excited!

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 02:10 PM

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Eeeeek!!!! :excited:

The main issue with Sakura and Hinata is 2 fold on kishi's part, he missed opportunities to make Sakura better than he did and for Hinata he could have just expanded the story. Though there is fault for his missed time on Sakura, he missed a lot more with Hinata. I'll explain:
 
Sakura: As the heroine, kishi has used Sakura but the degree he could have used her could have been better. Sakura did have increments of growth in part 1 and he did make good on her development in the start of part 2. Sakura was able to display her abilities and she got a major fight. However in the time she has spent onscreen, it became apparent that Sakura is a mentally driven character predominant while her physical development is secondary. Basically there were times when he could have given Sakura more attention, kinda like the early parts of part 2, with the kazekage rescue and sasuke and sai arcs. There was plenty of situations in which he could have given Sakura some physical driven development beyond Sasori. A fight between her and Kabuto would have been great back in the Sasuke and Sai arc. Another chance was for her own training back in the time Naruto was learning wind style. One of the biggest opportunities was also in the war for her to face Chiyo if it came to that. Sakura has had some great moments beyond Sasori, that is true I mean nailing the centipede in the pain arc, busting the white zetsu, and now demolishing a horde of jubbi spawn and both summoning katsuyu and healing people, she has had good moments but if anything Sakura's predominant traits for her development are mentally driven, basically her actions tend to flow with the story, this is apparent from major events like Sasuke getting the curse mark, Naruto saving her from Gaara, Sasuke running away, Naruto making the promise, her getting stronger for her team 7, the burdens and curses both her teammates faced, Sasuke's actions, the land of iron, resolving to help Naruto in the fight against obito. More or less her mental development and outlook towards the effects and actions on/caused too others, mainly team 7, is what her character is about. This is also a bit logical in a sense as Sakura was created to be the human element of team 7, this includes human weakness and emotional events. As in what was she the normal girl with no losses or inherited powers to do in a team where her 2 teammates had suffered loss and loneliness? There were times kishi could have done more with Sakura to give her more time kinda like he gave Naruto screentime for 3 training sessions while Sasuke was just given the myangeko on the fly during other fights and Sakura's herself occurred as a work in progress from the timeskip. But overall she has not been bad in other means. Heroes and Heroines do not need to be all powerhouses and able to wreak mountains, I mean now Sakura is able to shake the earth greatly and patch up many people at once, but she has been good where it counts, fulfilling the humanity she was made to represent. If it were not for anime or fillers, she would have not had some extended scenes for fighting which is at least a benefit in some aspects here (this can apply to any and all characters kinda like Asuma in the sora arc before he was axed off he really only had a small scuffle with the sound nin before they tried to kill Shikamaru and had a short encounter with Kisame, his only real fights were against Hidan who he dies against and against his own team as en edo tensei zombie but that had story purpose too.) Even then Sakura is I would say as a character who has developed over the story is 80% mentally built, 20% physically built, this is due to her events in the manga, but she still has her moments where it counts in both of them. She is definitely a mentally driven heroine but still has her own physical aspects that make her notable. Also as a side note, yes many felt her powerup was a quick random occurrence, it was not, it had a purpose, the Sannin deadlock. No matter how strong or weak Tsunade seemed to ororchimaru or Jiraya, they all had their ups and downs on each other, Kishi confirms this. I mean we see Tsunade the most in the series out of any Sannin. Sakura is able to use kage level power now, not as much as Naruto or Sasuke, but she still has her purpose to be a force of her own, this includes healing knowledge as a medical ninja. Her powerup serves a purpose, to keep that Sannin deadlock theme alive. But in all, Sakura is a good character, a mentally driven heroine who you see growing up as the story moves on, she moves from being a pure daydreaming child with no talents to a serious and committed ninja who gains respect for others and others gain respect for her peers over her mastery of medical and chakra enhanced strength.
 
Hinata: Hinata as a character, while the backstory is easily understood and the plot was able to be expanded. It never was. In the same way Kishi missed opportunities of physical growth for Sakura, There were cases where he missed Hinata entirely. The deal with Hinatas growth compared to Sakura's is, its limited. Hers is very very limited. There have been cases when Sakura has been sidelined but for Hinata, those times of being sidelined are even greater. Remember the time Sakura was basically sidelined during the Return of Itachi and search for Tsunade arc? She came back in the following when Sasuke defected, this brought forth the important promise of a lifetime scene and gave her growth in which she saw Naruto as a full friend. Hinata though, her time of importance was in the chunin exams and the moment Naruto finished pummeling Neji, that importance would end until she made another scene in the pain arc. As a side character yes Hinata is naturally not going to be expected to have as much as screentime as Sakura, the problem here though is, whenever Sakura was missing or out of the picture, it was like 3X the length for Hinata. Even then there are other side characters who have had much more important reoccuring roles that notably impact or influence others like Naruto or others significantly more then her. Characters like Shikamaru, Tsunade, Gaara, even Bee and Nagato have had more impact on Naruto than Hinata and they appear even less.  Bee spent a whole lot of time with Naruto which was important in how they could relate and also how they had the same ideals for those they cared about. Nagato even, for his one fight with Naruto and then minor sealing upon re meeting, you find that Naruto focuses on Nagato more than Hinata during the events between her defense and Nagato's story. The problem with Hinata is she had the set-up for a story which could have been expanded, could have grown into something more but she became less important in the long run. Hinata's only real correlation characters were Naruto and Neji. Shino and Kiba were her teammates but their development likewise is limited, yet you still see Kiba at least getting a fair amount of attention even for a guy with just 1 battle. The story of the Hyuga was present and open for expansion but this storyline basically ended when the Sage of the 6 paths was introduced. The Byuakgun no longer had a place of central importance in the storyline as it once could have. Neji appeared more than Hinata herself as well, his story was given a good driven path of former foe to good friend. But in terms of lasting roles, Hinata misses about 300 or so chapters of importance between the time the chunin exam fight again neji ends and until her event in the pain arc. Even then that involvement just gets nearly forced to the back. We don't see any mention or reflection of it for a long time, only a short memory from when Naruto's clone saved her. Then we get 615 but again, its quickly bypassed this time only Hinata remembering the event. I'm not speaking out of pairings here, just that with her total involvement, it is so limited its like at this point we see Hinata do something major then she just tends to only be present and stand around like the other majority cast. The main deal here is Hinata has less screentime, less screentime=less we can work with her. She is not as complex as others. If Hinata had at least the presence of Shikamaru, or team 8 itself was given more time, maybe if they got their own arc like team 10 did then it would make more sense to call Hinata a major character but she is not, she is a minor character. When Neji died, her own involvement in the plot became much more restricted. Aside from Naruto there is not much else who she correlates with. When the time comes for Sasuke to be dealt with this is her biggest downfall, she never even said a word to the guy (save in the bonds movie). Now she is just being a watcher for Sakura to keep updated on the battlefield. Hinata has a bit left in her but to call her completely important would be an understatement, she has her moments but if Kishi does not build on those then where does her development go? Where does it lead? Sakura's speech from 630 was in part because of her experience in the land of iron, even in 635 that has been built upon too from the land of iron and 540. So what is Hinata's development to be if her own moments are all but placed in the background? This is the problem with Hinata, she is too limited but as the story is now its too late, her major moment so far was 615 but if Kishi didn't build on that, if Naruto still loves Sakura, if he even gave us a hint of NS from 631 using Minato no less then whats the point of her romantic hopes of Naruto? This is the problem with Hinata, she is too limited making her a grey character. The manga is almost done, the major fights are coming, Naruto vs Sasuke is a team 7 only zone, not team 7 plus Hinata. Aside from gaining confidence and approval to lead her clan and stand beside Naruto as an acknowledged ally, I cannot see much else for her espcially when her own development from 633 feels kinda like a reversion/repeat of the stuff we know she has said for years and still has not gone much of anywhere. In fact this is where I see in part why NH is not able to work, because when Kishi is showing us the hints of NS and Naruto still loving Sakura this late, and still nothing on Hinata's end what are we to expect? Sakura cannot go over to Sasuke or it would uproot her development and just make her growth become unwarranted. It would make Naruto's promise to her unimportant, even then thats it, the promise and the development around Naruto, we see this brought up more times than Hinata even appears and we are to somehow expect Naruto to just foresake what he said to Sakura? No. just no. Hinata is a decent character but as the manga was written and we see the majority of the stuff laid out focusing mostly on NS, there cannot be a sudden shift or turn in which Hinata gets a free and convenient open pass for Naruto to like her, espcially when we see the development his love for Sakura and her concern and care for him has taken, espcially now with development showing Naruto still loves Sakura, Minato sees her like Kushina, Kushina gave a foreshadow of Naruto wanting a girlfriend like her, and Sakura starting to not trust Sasuke. Hinata's own limitation is in effect the hindrance to NH. If she was around more it would be bigger but she was not. Hinata is decent, but because she has limited attention, this makes her not as developed and in effect easier to understand because there is less content with her.


The reason hinata has never been focused on is because kishimoto never made her for that role. Sakuras character hasnt been lacked imo since hes done alot with her. Shes full of surprises and is a kick ass heroine.

You see, its because people expect things from hinata in the west that they think kishi has neglected her character when in fact this is how her character is. Her charscter has come to a full circle much faster than the other rookies but thats just how kishi did things.

I've never once seen anything in japanese forums including hinata and power ups or why she didnt get more screen time or why kishi neglected her. They know that shes a side character and thats it, they know her character has come to a full circle from the fans I've discussed with. Shes not orihime or rukia. These two girls are actually like heroines. I actually thought that rukia was the heroine and was shocked when I found out orihime is the heroine. They're both practically heroines. But ive never even known hinatas existance and that alone says alot. I gues its cuz my childhood friend was japanese and back in the day and I wasnt part of any western forums.

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 02:53 PM

Eeeeek!!!! :excited:
The reason hinata has never been focused on is because kishimoto never made her for that role. Sakuras character hasnt been lacked imo since hes done alot with her. Shes full of surprises and is a kick ass heroine.

You see, its because people expect things from hinata in the west that they think kishi has neglected her character when in fact this is how her character is. Her charscter has come to a full circle much faster than the other rookies but thats just how kishi did things.

I've never once seen anything in japanese forums including hinata and power ups or why she didnt get more screen time or why kishi neglected her. They know that shes a side character and thats it, they know her character has come to a full circle from the fans I've discussed with. Shes not orihime or rukia. These two girls are actually like heroines. I actually thought that rukia was the heroine and was shocked when I found out orihime is the heroine. They're both practically heroines. But ive never even known hinatas existance and that alone says alot. I gues its cuz my childhood friend was japanese and back in the day and I wasnt part of any western forums.

I agree. Although Hinata's actions may be admirable, this does not make her deserving of the role of the heroine. She had her shining moment, now it's time to move on. 615 gave her the development that she needed and her western fans should be happy about that rather than disappointed that she's been "brushed to the side" these past few chapters. I think some people just need to accept the fact that Sakura is the heroine of the series. Kishi always intended it to be that way from the get go. I mean, it's obvious, but some people insist that Hinata deserves to be the heroine because she's a sweet, perfect angel -__-.

I just don't get why the western fandom does not want to accept Sakura for what she is and what she was intended to be. With the western fandom, Sakura is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. If god forbid you ever see her cry(Oh no! Sakura displaying human emotion!), people call her weak (because crying automatically labels someone as weak :roll:). If you don't see her in action, people call her useless even though she's spending her energy and chakra healing people. If she does jump into action and displays what she is really capable of, people will call it an asspull or will look for any excuse necessary to completely downgrade her performance. I don't get what the western fans want from Sakura. My best guess is that they want her to disappear from the series, but unfortunately for them, that's not going to happen anytime soon ;).


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 03:02 PM

Honestly, if I was a fan of the pairing or the character, I would be glad to have what I received from the manga. It may not be the endgame pairing, but to get this amount of stuff for the character, I would be happy and move along. You may be thinking, "What about as a NS? Should you be happy on what you have?" Not really, because it's too open to leave it off like that. I know that people would say the same for Hinata, but due to lack of mention and lack of connection to make, it is easily can be done on its own. Why else the games choose to brush it off. Because it's not valid and not really adding anything. If I know better, it only add for Sakura to show hints on her feelings for Naruto. It may be cruel by Kishi, but that's only because he wants NS to happen.



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Posted 06 August 2013 - 03:03 PM

 

Well thats a nice picture there, reminds me of your other one a while back from showing Sakura and Kushina standing Naruto and Minato with the temper's in the background. I swear it would not be suprising in a future chapter if Minato is still around for a bit before disappearing but sees Naruto and Sakura then thinks of himself and Kushina, seriously if he does a thought like that and think just like us or he listened to you Kushina, he is happy. That would be enough to say case closed NS is canon, it would be hinting it just too much then and it would be so obvious, otherwise nice work, love how its detailed like the manga.

I think if anything Minato will be about to disappear and say in his thoughts something like "You'll be happy Kushina, he followed your advice."

 

 

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bolded, I think it's already reached that point. Just considering all the hints Kishi has made and all the development NaruSaku has it's just too much in my opinion to mean anything else.

 

The ONLY way I can see NaruSaku not happening is if Sakura dies and Naruto must learn to overcome his pain and not try to put the entire world under a genjutsu. and then maybe some kind of lesson about learning to move on. But if you ask me, that's a bit too f'd up for a shonen manga.


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 03:08 PM

Does anyone see Minato and Naruto have one more talk about love, such as advice or good wish (take care of her) or something?



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Posted 06 August 2013 - 03:13 PM

Zu zu zu zuuun!!!

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 03:15 PM

Does anyone see Minato and Naruto have one more talk about love, such as advice or good wish (take care of her) or something?

That depends on how and if Minato eventually leaves. If they win the war and Minato is still there then yeah they would obviously have a nice conversation, and hell if he wanted to Minato could just live with Naruto for a few years and maybe even have Tobirama use edo tensei on a zetsu and bring back Kushina. In any case I think the chances are very likely if and only if Minato survives until the end of this war.


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 03:22 PM

I agree. Although Hinata's actions may be admirable, this does not make her deserving of the role of the heroine. She had her shining moment, now it's time to move on. 615 gave her the development that she needed and her western fans should be happy about that rather than disappointed that she's been "brushed to the side" these past few chapters. I think some people just need to accept the fact that Sakura is the heroine of the series. Kishi always intended it to be that way from the get go. I mean, it's obvious, but some people insist that Hinata deserves to be the heroine because she's a sweet, perfect angel -__-.

I just don't get why the western fandom does not want to accept Sakura for what she is and what she was intended to be. With the western fandom, Sakura is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. If god forbid you ever see her cry(Oh no! Sakura displaying human emotion!), people call her weak (because crying automatically labels someone as weak :roll:). If you don't see her in action, people call her useless even though she's spending her energy and chakra healing people. If she does jump into action and displays what she is really capable of, people will call it an asspull or will look for any excuse necessary to completely downgrade her performance. I don't get what the western fans want from Sakura. My best guess is that they want her to disappear from the series, but unfortunately for them, that's not going to happen anytime soon ;).

People read too much Hinata biased sites like Narutopedia and such , there it stays written that Kishimoto never intended Sakura to be the main character but grew found of her , which is total lie , but what can you do?

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