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#11401 Awes9

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Posted 10 November 2014 - 07:06 AM

I love people who suddenly change their opinions and now believe Kishi always had these pairings in mind when one of them involved physical and emotional abuse of all kind and the other interacted no more than 6 times in a 700 chapter manga. If and that's a big if Kishi really intented for these pairings to be endgame since the beginning then it just shows how awful of a writer he is and there's no excuse especially when the pairing that supposedly wasnt intented has more meaningful moments, hints, foreshadowing parallels and development than the 2 other pairings combined, makes perfect sense.
Sorry if I dont buy this crap.

Edited by Awes9, 10 November 2014 - 07:08 AM.


#11402 Aizen-Sama

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Posted 10 November 2014 - 07:12 AM

I love people who suddenly change their opinions and now believe Kishi always had these pairings in mind when one of them involved physical and emotional abuse of all kind and the other interacted no more than 6 times in a 700 chapter manga. If and that's a big if Kishi really intented for these pairings to be endgame since the beginning then it just shows how awful of a writer he is and there's no excuse especially when the pairing that supposedly wasnt intented has more meaningful moments, hints, foreshadowing parallels and development than the 2 other pairings combined, makes perfect sense.
Sorry if I dont buy this crap.


I don't know what to believe anymore... I want to think that Kishimoto is the good writer he's been 600+ chapters ago and always planned for NaruSaku to happen...but this latest random BS points to the opposite.

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Posted 10 November 2014 - 07:15 AM

The thing is, that's kind of what we are now. I know some people think he changed his mind at the last minute, but the movie has been in development too long for that to be true.

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Anyway, I wanted to bring some positivity back. Narusaku is still alive, despite not being canon. We can still love it and keep it a float without canon.

Most of those are really vague 'similarities' that can apply to any ship that didn't become canon in the end.

Zutara was hardly a friendship. Definitely not like NS and Kataang were.

Idk what kind of "parallels" Zutara had but the ones we had for NS were actually confirmed in the story. All of them. Team 7 = Team Minato & the Sannin, and Minato = Naruto and Kushina = Sakura. But, seriously, most of those can be applied to any ship even if they made more sense in the end. Like with NS vs. SS/NH.

And no, the rest of the fandom doesn't see NS like we see Zutara. Cause see, most people who don't ship the Big 3 or don't ship anything at all agree that SS/NH came out of nowhere and NS makes more sense. Like unburnt said, the only thing they really have in common is that neither of them are canon. That's it.

I'm really sick of hearing people say that NH was always going to be the end pairing because "Kishimoto knew how he would end it years ago". Seriously taking it out of context. He was referring to Naruto/Sasuke battle.

Agreed.

 
Just thinking about how NS interaction will be in the movie makes me really sad. I don't even want to bother with this movie, even if there are some NS because it will look wrong after not seeing anything in the ending of the manga...I mean my god, they look like strangers for god's sake.

I know right. :(

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Posted 10 November 2014 - 07:16 AM

Looking at that it seems like every love will be adressed, meaning that NS will also be resolved. That will be our last NS moment with romantic undertone coming from Naruto, so we should treasuer it, no? LOL And maybe we'll also get some Chôji/Karui in the movie. 

I have a bad feeling it's referring to all the canon couples in the epilogue instead, which includes the dreaded SasuSaku.


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Posted 10 November 2014 - 07:19 AM

SO i just heard the song for The Last and honestly I didn't really like that much. This was actually one of the few things that I possibly could've liked when it comes to The Last, since it doesn't have to do much with the story. 

 

Personally I still think the song from Road to Ninja was much better than this one. 

 

 

Link incase anyone wants to hear it: http://www.saiyanisl...he-movie-theme/


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Posted 10 November 2014 - 07:21 AM

I don't know what to believe anymore... I want to think that Kishimoto is the good writer he's been 600+ chapters ago and always planned for NaruSaku to happen...but this latest random BS points to the opposite.

Well do as I do, don't watch the movie, he'll get you down even more. Forget you ever read that 699-700 bull. I mean you know the movie will be between, meaning it serve just to justify this bull. Wrote your own ending from 698 or read a good one   and consider it canon. Stay as far as Naruto related project  as possible afterward. If you like to read mine, it a work in progress,https://www.fanficti...Should-have-end I just ended the 1st chapter 

One piece, fairy tails and hunter X hunter exist for those reasons.

 

I did that with death note. It ended with L and Light rule the world. Spider-man 3 and X3 never happen. And even deeper you might see a glimpse of the drug trip that was ghost rider 2. 


Edited by archangel, 10 November 2014 - 07:25 AM.


#11407 Aizen-Sama

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Posted 10 November 2014 - 07:35 AM

Well do as I do, don't watch the movie, he'll get you down even more. Forget you ever r:ead that 699-700 bull. I mean you know the movie will be between, meaning it serve just to justify this bull. Wrote your own ending from 698 or read a good one   and consider it canon. Stay as far as Naruto related project  as possible afterward. If you like to read mine, it a work in progress,https://www.fanficti...Should-have-end I just ended the 1st chapter 
One piece, fairy tails and hunter X hunter exist for those reasons.
 
I did that with death note. It ended with L and Light rule the world. Spider-man 3 and X3 never happen. And even deeper you might see a glimpse of the drug trip that was ghost rider 2. 


Haha...great story! You kept the 3 main characters more IC than Kikitten did. XD

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Posted 10 November 2014 - 07:41 AM

Haha...great story! You kept the 3 main characters more IC than Kikitten did. XD

thank you XD, I'm working on chapter 2 as we speak, I'm trying to be done with it tonight, afterward it's my week in hell at university that start.



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Posted 10 November 2014 - 08:19 AM

So they're actually gonna throw us a bone for NaruSaku in The Last? I'm not gonna hold my breath, but I believe the scene will either be heartbreaking or have little ramifications, but I do know it'll help NaruHina get ahead which is something I'm not looking forward too.


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Posted 10 November 2014 - 08:33 AM

yeah, kishi can shove his movie up his ass. No one cares about a Ns resolution with a a ruined part 1 fangirl sakura. I cant wait for the SS moments in this movie, its going to be comedy gold.
This asspull movie is really the biggest insult to naruto fans, to see that Kishi needs a movie to make NH even a little believeable if thats even possible.

You know when I first joined this fandom, my first impression of you was that of a devoted NaruSaku fan who was emotionally scarred from 693 and had to bash at Kishi to let out his rage.

Now, I see, that all this time you were right. Kishi is a bad writer- at least when it comes to romance. Sorry, for all the times I had attacked you, I wish I could have listened to you earlier. I guess I just really believed in NaruSaku so much that I could never have forseen the biggest couple asspulls in the history of manga. Even neutral fans believe that at least the SasuSaku couple is totally kittened up. I refuse to accept this movie as cannon. 

One day Kishi will come out with the truth, one day.


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Posted 10 November 2014 - 08:45 AM

Lol I remember when the sketches for Naruto and Sakura first came out for the Last..we were all happy thinking there was going to be more NaruSaku.
Then doomsday NH cover came out and we were all like: F**************CCKKK!!

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Posted 10 November 2014 - 08:51 AM

Sorry aint watching this POS just for being thrown a bone.I have better things to do than hear Naruto-kuns for 110 mins and Sakura going all "Sasuke-kun!!!"

 

I think Kishi has probably lost all his NS fanbase,SK fanbase and also a part of the NaruSasu fanbase to at this point.Good riddance


Edited by DarkRadeon, 10 November 2014 - 08:52 AM.


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Posted 10 November 2014 - 09:25 AM

Naruto-kun! Sasuke-kun! Naruto-kun! Sasuke-kun! Naruto-kun! Sasuke-kun!

kitten that.
What I wanna hear: "SAKURA-CHAN!!"

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Posted 10 November 2014 - 09:54 AM

who? Kishimoto? The one who said, a year ago, that he made Madara too powerful and didn't know how to defeat him in the manga. Then tadàdà, zetsu and kaguya asspull.


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Posted 10 November 2014 - 10:46 AM

You know when I first joined this fandom, my first impression of you was that of a devoted NaruSaku fan who was emotionally scarred from 693 and had to bash at Kishi to let out his rage.
Now, I see, that all this time you were right. Kishi is a bad writer- at least when it comes to romance. Sorry, for all the times I had attacked you, I wish I could have listened to you earlier. I guess I just really believed in NaruSaku so much that I could never have forseen the biggest couple asspulls in the history of manga. Even neutral fans believe that at least the SasuSaku couple is totally kittened up. I refuse to accept this movie as cannon. 
One day Kishi will come out with the truth, one day.

Well yeah, after 693 and the following early movie teasers, it was pretty clear for me that kishi was about to screw the story so
Of course i had to rage on him. But at the time there was at least this little spark of hope that i was wrong. Well in the end even though i expecte it i still got hit full force by it. Also i never expected it to be that bad.... Never i imagined SS had even the slightest chance.

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Posted 10 November 2014 - 11:49 AM

You know when I first joined this fandom, my first impression of you was that of a devoted NaruSaku fan who was emotionally scarred from 693 and had to bash at Kishi to let out his rage.

Now, I see, that all this time you were right. Kishi is a bad writer- at least when it comes to romance. Sorry, for all the times I had attacked you, I wish I could have listened to you earlier. I guess I just really believed in NaruSaku so much that I could never have forseen the biggest couple asspulls in the history of manga. Even neutral fans believe that at least the SasuSaku couple is totally kittened up. I refuse to accept this movie as cannon. 

One day Kishi will come out with the truth, one day.

I think SS would have made sense if Part 2 wasn't there. At least it had potential in Part 1, unlike NH which was friendzoned until the very last chapter that need a movie to make it credible. SS on the other hand has chapter 699 which imply that Sasuke was finally touched by Sakura's feelings. 


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Posted 10 November 2014 - 12:04 PM

I think SS would have made sense if Part 2 wasn't there. At least it had potential in Part 1, unlike NH which was friendzoned until the very last chapter that need a movie to make it credible. SS on the other hand has chapter 699 which imply that Sasuke was finally touched by Sakura's feelings. 

Honestly if Kishi had just tuned down the murderous intent from Sasuke towards Sakura then I think people would be a bit more acceptable of SS endgame.

 

I mean Kishi says hes not good at romance but you don't have to know anything about romance to know that murder isn't a way to show affection.


Edited by Zatheko, 10 November 2014 - 12:05 PM.


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Posted 10 November 2014 - 12:07 PM

If Kishi was intended on making SS/NH canon from two years ago, what I don't understand is the Minato comment, CPR AND making Hinata fall at the same time, and Kakashi commenting on how Sakura's feelings have changed.
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Posted 10 November 2014 - 12:08 PM

The NH was always in his mind theory is BS
that isn't the way how you present a pairing you always had in mind to your readers.
1st we have the SO6P random Brother with no backstory, Kaguga sudden apearance to give the Hyuga importance, but why? Because he wanted to make a movie that could be use as an excuse to get two characters who as no more than 10 interactions a thousand so in a way he could try to justify why he went with the popular pairing instead of what he develop, through the whole manga and lets not talk about 693 and Sasuke sudden forehead thing, that was straight out of left field.
NH was in his mind, thats BS and we all know it.

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Posted 10 November 2014 - 12:16 PM

If Kishi was intended on making SS/NH canon from two years ago, what I don't understand is the Minato comment, CPR AND making Hinata fall at the same time, and Kakashi commenting on how Sakura's feelings have changed.

 

he has multiple personalities.


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