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[Apollo]

I'm sure Orochimaru would have kept tabs on his future host. Also when you think about it, I don't think Orochimaru would be interested in Uchihas anymore since he seems to have found Obito's Sharingan collection

 

For their bodies yeah He would be. It's one thing having the eyes, I guess he probably wants a body that can use them to the same extent as an Uchiha. We saw how it ended whenever Kakashi overused it. 

[Broken Figurine]

I have a sneaking suspicion that Sakura's 'fainting spells' from the beginning of the series are going to come back in. Either as Sakura's pregnant (and that Shizune's mention of it happening since her childhood is a red herring) or as the reason she can't have children. 

 

And as far as raising a child that isn't hers, there's no reason to masquerade as a Sasuke's wife even if she chose to raise his test tube baby. Sakura dusting a house full of Uchiha crap and wearing his clan symbol on his back — if Sarada is not hers and the marriage was never truly a marriage, just an arrangement of convenience for Sasuke — really paints Sakura in a stalkerish light. And she's simply not that way.

 

I don't see her as degrading herself so as to end her career to take care of Sasuke's illegitimate child, pretend she's his wife, and raise his child as hers while he leaves the village forever. Sakura's kind, but she's not crazy.

 

We'll see in the next two chapters what is real and what has been the red herring.

 

And if Kishimoto has Sakura turn out to be this way — stalkerish and giving everything up for Sasuke — then the whole Gaiden has been a red herring centered around Sakura's development, kindness and strength. When all along Kishimoto knew he was just going to leave her out in the cold again.

 

Those are my thoughts on this whole series: either the Gaiden is going to turn out to be Kishimoto's apology to Sakura fans, or the Gaiden is going to be one more chance for Kishimoto to make Sakura the scapegoat for everything that's wrong with this manga.

 

Goodness I hope that's not the way it goes. As I said, it's not so much that she's raising Sasuke's daughter it's the masquerade of being his wife--is she his wife? Why is she living a lie and telling one to Sasuke's daughter if this is the case? Also, if she is a 'stalker' she must be one that Sasuke agreed to because he refers to her as his wife as well. There is just so much that is ridiculous on both sides. Gaiden is just begging for an explanation and they better deliver in these next two chapers.

 

Maybe Sakura is Sasuke's wife, hence the Uchiha symbol and referring to him as such... and that maybe early into their marriage they receive a shock that Sarada is a product of Orochimaru's experimentation. They bring the daughter back and Sakura agrees not to punish the child and raises her as her own. Perhaps Karin didn't want to, or they didn't want Orochimaru having access to Sarada while Karin is still working under him so they didn't give her a choice. Sakura doesn't have to be sterile for this to happen, it just may be that she began raising a child that isn't her own--but Sasuke is 'absolved' of fault there because it wasn't his decision so it's not grounds to stop loving him or divorce in Sakura's perspective.

 

There are obvious problems like why Sakura seems to lie about not just the birth but the relationship that complicates matters, but again--if this is all some ruse it's not just Sakura being a loving fangirl, Sasuke has been keeping up the lie around Naruto and others. It may benefit himself, which paints them both in ugly, disturbing light (he doesn't love her and let's her 'pretend' to be his wife so he doesn't have to raise his daughter)... 

 

I think we do need to wait for Gaiden to explain itself. Is this a terrible pairing and reflecting badly on the characters as it stands? Yeah, Sakura destroying her house and being in a relationship where she needs to lie is already far from perfect. Her status as mother, fertility, and taking care of Sarada has nothing on that. Whether Sakura is Sarada's mother, whether she can be--this whole debate is sort of missing the point. Even if it's the worst possible thing where she's basically a submissive Uchiha fangirl who agrees to pretend to be wife just because she loves Sasuke beyond any shred of reasonability, her care and love toward Sarada stands as a positive. Is she a perfect mother? No, but I don't see her as a horrible one either. 

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I have a sneaking suspicion that Sakura's 'fainting spells' from the beginning of the series are going to come back in. Either as Sakura's pregnant (and that Shizune's mention of it happening since her childhood is a red herring) or as the reason she can't have children. 

 

And as far as raising a child that isn't hers, there's no reason to masquerade as a Sasuke's wife even if she chose to raise his test tube baby. Sakura dusting a house full of Uchiha crap and wearing his clan symbol on his back — if Sarada is not hers and the marriage was never truly a marriage, just an arrangement of convenience for Sasuke — really paints Sakura in a stalkerish light. And she's simply not that way.

 

I don't see her as degrading herself so as to end her career to take care of Sasuke's illegitimate child, pretend she's his wife, and raise his child as hers while he leaves the village forever. Sakura's kind, but she's not crazy.

 

We'll see in the next two chapters what is real and what has been the red herring.

 

And if Kishimoto has Sakura turn out to be this way — stalkerish and giving everything up for Sasuke — then the whole Gaiden has been a red herring centered around Sakura's development, kindness and strength. When all along Kishimoto knew he was just going to leave her out in the cold again.

 

Those are my thoughts on this whole series: either the Gaiden is going to turn out to be Kishimoto's apology to Sakura fans, or the Gaiden is going to be one more chance for Kishimoto to make Sakura the scapegoat for everything that's wrong with this manga.

 

T_T Tricks... that is beautiful...

 

     

 

 

[Narufan85]

I just can't imagine Kishi would have a storyline where Sakura is sterile. Just seems too "real." I suspect he just has no clue how to write Sakura without making her look awful.

[James S Cassidy]

Unlike others who are trying to find ways to say "this is the only way to save a character's character" I am going to be more...down to earth with it. There is no way to save these characters and to be honest nothing will ever make them look better. 

This is basically how cynical Kishimoto has made me.

 

Everything that can be done to explain any of this will always make Sakura look bad. I am sorry, but there is no way to save her or even try to save anything at this point. No matter how you look at it, Sakura is Sasuke's kitten. She is a slave to him and she will do anything for him even if it meant jumping off a bridge.

The only thing I wonder now is if it came between Sasuke and Salad who would she pick? Chances are, she would pick Sasuke. That is all she is known for now and it is extremely sad.

As these characters....so deep and full of life have been reduced down to such simple, disgusting, concepts.

Sakura....aka Sasuke's slave
Naruto....scumbag liar
Sasuke....The "I make any excuse not to do anything or to use any power when needed...and people love me for it" guy
Hinata....the cardboard cutout with a button that says the same thing over and over. The only thing that has more depth is her chest.

And every other character in the series is summed up to....the Konoha "We were only made so we can make babies-cranked to" 11.

This is seriously the most pathetic story I have ever seen and the more I read it the worse it gets. Everyone comments how great some moments are, but now....whatever was great about them...is worthless because they end up being nothing, lead to nothing, or if it doesn't have to do with pairings it becomes abandoned.

What's even worse than this is...I used to believe this story had potential, but everyday Kishimoto proves me wrong again. Everyday the story gives me one more reason to believe that they really did only do this for money and fan-service.

The ONLY way to save face is to literally erase this entire concept off the map, claim it a genjutsu or just come out and say "this is redo on the ending. Everything else beyond such and such chapter in the other ending is pretty much non-canon", and redo it with NS instead. That is the only way to make this any better and make the characters likable again...if anyone is still around to read it of course.




 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 24 June 2015 - 04:35 AM.

[BlackBird19]

While Sakura being sterile would make for a decent explanation for the reason that Sarada's not her daughter, it still would not help her character at all. The second Kishi made SS canon her character was destroyed. The sole reason her character is destroyed almost beyond repair is that she is still portrayed as the girl waiting around for Sasuke.

 

She's the girl who was waiting for Sasuke to notice or acknowledge her. Who waited for Sasuke to come to his senses and come back to her and her team. And even now as his supposed wife she's waited another 12 years for him to come home to his family. She's spent over half her life waiting on this man to truly be in her life. Kishi didn't even show her asking him not to go on the mission or fighting with him to stay with his family. She just accepts it because he's Sasuke.

 

The only way for her character to be given any sort of redemption is for her to do something, anything negative towards Sasuke.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Unlike others who are trying to find ways to say "this is the only way to save a character's character" I am going to be more...down to earth with it. There is no way to save these characters and to be honest nothing will ever make them look better. 

This is basically how cynical Kishimoto has made me.
 
Everything that can be done to explain any of this will always make Sakura look bad. I am sorry, but there is no way to save her or even try to save anything at this point. No matter how you look at it, Sakura is Sasuke's kitten. She is a slave to him and she will do anything for him even if it meant jumping off a bridge.

The only thing I wonder now is if it came between Sasuke and Salad who would she pick? Chances are, she would pick Sasuke. That is all she is known for now and it is extremely sad.

As these characters....so deep and full of life have been reduced down to such simple, disgusting, concepts.

Sakura....aka Sasuke's slave
Naruto....scumbag liar
Sasuke....The "I make any excuse not to do anything or to use any power when needed...and people love me for it" guy
Hinata....the cardboard cutout with a button that says the same thing over and over. The only thing that has more depth is her chest.

And every other character in the series is summed up to....the Konoha "We were only made so we can make babies-cranked to" 11.

This is seriously the most pathetic story I have ever seen and the more I read it the worse it gets. Everyone comments how great some moments are, but now....whatever was great about them...is worthless because they end up being nothing, lead to nothing, or if it doesn't have to do with pairings it becomes abandoned.

What's even worse than this is...I used to believe this story had potential, but everyday Kishimoto proves me wrong again. Everyday the story gives me one more reason to believe that they really did only do this for money and fan-service.

The ONLY way to save face is to literally erase this entire concept off the map, claim it a genjutsu or just come out and say "this is redo on the ending. Everything else beyond such and such chapter in the other ending is pretty much non-canon", and redo it with NS instead. That is the only way to make this any better and make the characters likable again...if anyone is still around to read it of course.

The only way she can be saved is if she confirmed to the audience that she intentionally lived a lie that her getting with Sasuke was just to help Naruto move on from her and thus she endures a loveless marriage why Sasuke is free to kitten up any women he wants while she sacrificed her love life for Naruto's sake because she feels undeserving of Naruto's love.

Edited by Konoha'sCrimsonFox, 24 June 2015 - 01:04 PM.

[Narufan85]

Unlike others who are trying to find ways to say "this is the only way to save a character's character" I am going to be more...down to earth with it. There is no way to save these characters and to be honest nothing will ever make them look better. 

This is basically how cynical Kishimoto has made me.

 

Everything that can be done to explain any of this will always make Sakura look bad. I am sorry, but there is no way to save her or even try to save anything at this point. No matter how you look at it, Sakura is Sasuke's kitten. She is a slave to him and she will do anything for him even if it meant jumping off a bridge.

The only thing I wonder now is if it came between Sasuke and Salad who would she pick? Chances are, she would pick Sasuke. That is all she is known for now and it is extremely sad.

As these characters....so deep and full of life have been reduced down to such simple, disgusting, concepts.

Sakura....aka Sasuke's slave
Naruto....scumbag liar
Sasuke....The "I make any excuse not to do anything or to use any power when needed...and people love me for it" guy
Hinata....the cardboard cutout with a button that says the same thing over and over. The only thing that has more depth is her chest.

And every other character in the series is summed up to....the Konoha "We were only made so we can make babies-cranked to" 11.

This is seriously the most pathetic story I have ever seen and the more I read it the worse it gets. Everyone comments how great some moments are, but now....whatever was great about them...is worthless because they end up being nothing, lead to nothing, or if it doesn't have to do with pairings it becomes abandoned.

What's even worse than this is...I used to believe this story had potential, but everyday Kishimoto proves me wrong again. Everyday the story gives me one more reason to believe that they really did only do this for money and fan-service.

The ONLY way to save face is to literally erase this entire concept off the map, claim it a genjutsu or just come out and say "this is redo on the ending. Everything else beyond such and such chapter in the other ending is pretty much non-canon", and redo it with NS instead. That is the only way to make this any better and make the characters likable again...if anyone is still around to read it of course.




 

 

You get a baby, and you get a baby, and you get a baby...

[Hatted]

The only way she can be saved is if she confirmed to the audience that she intentionally lived a lie that her getting with Sasuke was just to help Naruto move on from her and thus she endures a loveless marriage why Sasuke is free to kitten up any women he wants while she sacrificed her love life for Naruto's sake because she feels undeserving of Naruto's love.

Sakura was blushing in the last chapter man 

It's confirmed the ss marriage is by love at least on sakura's side

Stop waiting sakura do something like this

her already confirmed naruto is just a dear friend some chapters ago

Edited by Hatted, 24 June 2015 - 03:26 PM.

[Strangelove]

This is my theory.

I think it's the only explanation about Sarada that can help Sakura's character from being degradated even more (even if it's implicit that Sasusaku never had a kiss). And Karin's, of course! Why would a mother leave her child in the care of another like that?

Sasuke's DNA in Karin's drawer theory is just ridiculous. Well, the whole story of Naruto Gaiden is pretty ridiculous (including that kitten villain) but as the king of the obvious, Kishimoto can't be any more ridiculous like that. Or can he?

 

Yeah...except there is a problem with your theory. It requires the use of a brain, to which Kishimoto has none.

[Shadow1275]

I have a sneaking suspicion that Sakura's 'fainting spells' from the beginning of the series are going to come back in. Either as Sakura's pregnant (and that Shizune's mention of it happening since her childhood is a red herring) or as the reason she can't have children. 

 

And as far as raising a child that isn't hers, there's no reason to masquerade as a Sasuke's wife even if she chose to raise his test tube baby. Sakura dusting a house full of Uchiha crap and wearing his clan symbol on his back — if Sarada is not hers and the marriage was never truly a marriage, just an arrangement of convenience for Sasuke — really paints Sakura in a stalkerish light. And she's simply not that way.

 

I don't see her as degrading herself so as to end her career to take care of Sasuke's illegitimate child, pretend she's his wife, and raise his child as hers while he leaves the village forever. Sakura's kind, but she's not crazy.

 

We'll see in the next two chapters what is real and what has been the red herring.

 

And if Kishimoto has Sakura turn out to be this way — stalkerish and giving everything up for Sasuke — then the whole Gaiden has been a red herring centered around Sakura's development, kindness and strength. When all along Kishimoto knew he was just going to leave her out in the cold again.

 

Those are my thoughts on this whole series: either the Gaiden is going to turn out to be Kishimoto's apology to Sakura fans, or the Gaiden is going to be one more chance for Kishimoto to make Sakura the scapegoat for everything that's wrong with this manga.

I have to respectfully disagree here.

 

I can understand how Sakura's kindness plays into this, we've always seen and known how kind of a person she can be and how it really defines her character. Part 1 showed that several times even as far back as the Land of Waves arc, hell even as far back as chapter 3.

 

But being a pragmatic person there are two reasons why I have to disagree. The first reason is that while we may read between the lines and understand the truth as to why she does what she does the general public will not see it that way. They will see Sakura as a pathetic housewife who either is inferior to Hinata who has already beget 2 healthy children or if Sakura is the mother and is pregnant then she will be seen as the classic designated housewife who is always fainting and belongs in the kitchen.

 

And while I couldn't care less about popular opinion I have to say that they do have a point, mainly bc of 693. As much as I know Sakura's kindness plays a role 693 clearly shows how in reality the driving factor is her unhealthy obsession with the man, to the point where even Sasuke states that he feels nothing for her and that he has no idea why she likes him at all. This means that her kindness has not even reached him and there is no bond whatsoever. As a former SS fan I used to argue that Sasuke saying thank you in part 1 was evidence that Sakura had reached him with her kindness, further evidenced by Shikamaru later saying to her, "Even you couldn't convince him huh?" But 693 just destroys that argument. Why would he just mind rape her when he could have simply knocked her out like in part 1 or put her down with a nicer genjutsu? Simple he wanted to harm her, he wanted her to stop bothering him, her kindness had not reached him at all.

 

The second reason is character development. We knew she was kind in the beginning, we knew she liked Sasuke in the beginning, so what has changed exactly? Nothing. She still loves a man who barely acknowledges her, her personality is pretty much the same, and now she's fainting again. So has she grown at all as a person? No and this is a big problem for main characters. They have to change throughout the series and yet Sakura is still the same girl she was at step one. If she is Sarada's mother and is pregnant, then she's going to be sidelined again and worthless to the plot besides pairing drama. If she isn't then she's just another useless woman who can't even move without fainting.

 

In the end 693 just destroys so much concerning everyone's characters. Naruto doesn't stick up for Sakura a girl he "loves", Sakura loses all respect and just comes off as a whiny obsessive teen who has no idea about love, Kakashi comes off as a horrible mentor for actually encouraging his student to date this guy who is killing her as well as encouraging him to date this girl he has no interest in, and Sasuke not only comes off as an un-repentant douchebag but apparently 5 chapters later he is totally cool with marrying the girl "I had no interest in and honestly I don't know why she likes me at all."

 

Sigh...

 

But that's just my opinion.

[Pix]

Okay, there are a lot of problems with Sakura's character but her fertility vs sterility aren't one of them. Her character does not get degraded by Sasuke's and Karin's actions. Why would a mother leave her child in someone else's care? Well, that depends on the circumstances, but I don't understand this argument that Sakura's role as a mother to a child that isn't hers is somehow 'degrading'. Her agreeing to take on and raise a child that isn't hers should be seen as a positive, unless there were some sinister motive to it. And so far, we really don't know the circumstances around this convoluted relationship. 

Well it's not the action that makes Sakura look bad. 

 

It's the fact that the author even decided to write that in. 

 

Sasuke has tried to kill her, mentally abused her, and years later she's taking care of his child that she didn't even bare, which infers that he has something else to add on to the list: he's cheated on her. So when all of that is put together....yeah. It does make Sakura look pretty bad. And the fact that Kishimoto even wrote this is quite awful.

[Nami]

 

I don't see her as degrading herself so as to end her career to take care of Sasuke's illegitimate child, pretend she's his wife, and raise his child as hers while he leaves the village forever. Sakura's kind, but she's not crazy.

 

Oh tricksie my dear I really wish I had your optimism after everything that's happened.  Once upon a time, I really thought there was an ounce of sense in Sakura left, even if she did still fangirl over Sasuke and degrade herself for no good reason. The ending of the manga proved me completely wrong, though,

But yeah, the way I see it, there's no way all this is going to leave Sakura is a good light, I can't see any possible resolution that will end positively for Sakura. She can only seem either more of a little less stalkerish and crazy.

[ThroughWithLove]

Sakura is a red herring.