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[James S Cassidy]

They got one. DIVORCE IS TOO DARK, MATURE AND INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE STORY!!! Literally, some have said that *cough* analyzer *cough*

Divorce is too dark, but child experimentation, child deaths, eye ripping, blowing people apart, decapitation, eye ripping, heart ripping, body dissection, and so much more is okay.

I forgot about analyzer. That fanatic wouldn't accept anything even from Kishimoto himself.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Divorce is too dark, but child experimentation, child deaths, eye ripping, blowing people apart, decapitation, eye ripping, heart ripping, body dissection, and so much more is okay.

I forgot about analyzer. That fanatic wouldn't accept anything even from Kishimoto himself.

 

She was bat crazy, that's for sure, James.... glad she's just dust in the wind now.

[VanitasDS76491]

Or some of the other kitten like Asuma dying and leaving Kurenai without her husband (since it was hinted they got married when she was shown with a ring when visiting Shikamaru at Asuma's grave) and leaving Mirai without her dad ISN'T... XP That's such blatant hypocrisy right there.

can't tell if that's a joke or not. Plus remember when obito became the ten tails they showed his body get ripped apart even his face.
  

Or y'know, the fact that the story's premise itself involves children being trained to murder people at a young age or how these same children are being experimented on by madmen or turned into WoMD by implanting demons inside of them.

Yes there child soliders.

[VanitasDS76491]

Divorce is too dark, but child experimentation, child deaths, eye ripping, blowing people apart, decapitation, eye ripping, heart ripping, body dissection, and so much more is okay.
I forgot about analyzer. That fanatic wouldn't accept anything even from Kishimoto himself.

What's funny with those gore example is I commissioned a pic on da of a super buff shinachiku as acnologia and really pissed off and had his hand around bolts thorat,and himawari was on the ground ripped in two by shina and it got taken down most likely due to NH fans.

[Nate River]

Remember, the novelization of the Last had Naruto admitting to himself that he got with her out of guilt and Kishimoto himself said that relationship was created out of pity for Hinata. So yeah, the foundations of their "love" is built out of misguided guilt, obligation and pity. Romantic, ain't it?

As for the Bolt thing, IIRC, didn't Sasuke more or less tell Sakura in the manga that the only reason he was home more often was because Sarada? So, the reason these couples haven't divorced yet is because of their kids.

 

Well that and there is no incentive to write such a story line which is bound to be both poorly received and poorly executed.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

can't tell if that's a joke or not. Plus remember when obito became the ten tails they showed his body get ripped apart even his face.

 

Trust me, Vanitas, it wasn't a joke. That always got to me a good bit... and trust me, I remember that when Obito began to become the Ten-Tails. Even Madara didn't have that happen to him!

[VanitasDS76491]

Trust me, Vanitas, it wasn't a joke. That always got to me a good bit... and trust me, I remember that when Obito began to become the Ten-Tails. Even Madara didn't have that happen to him!

I'm lost on the asuma dying thing.
Or maybe it did we just didn't see it. Or where obito went nuts after rin died and turned those mist ninja in human trees or seeing obito missing his one half after madara saved him.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I'm lost on the asuma dying thing.
Or maybe it did we just didn't see it. Or where obito went nuts after rin died and turned those mist ninja in human trees or seeing obito missing his one half after madara saved him.

 

What I meant is how even if it does happen now and then for a spouse to lose their significant other and a child never knowing one parent... it doesn't make it any less sucky or dark to do something like that, especially when I feel Asuma's death was only done to give Shikamaru vague "development".

[VanitasDS76491]

What I meant is how even if it does happen now and then for a spouse to lose their significant other and a child never knowing one parent... it doesn't make it any less sucky or dark to do something like that, especially when I feel Asuma's death was only done to give Shikamaru vague "development".

Agreed hidan arc felt weird and rushed.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Agreed hidan arc felt weird and rushed.

 

It's not like Hidan and Kakuzu were bad villains, it's just that they felt rushed and there was more that could have been done. I even feel that if Kishimoto wanted to do development for Shikamaru, he could have done it without killing Asuma, and trying in some ways to have Shikamaru replace his sensei after his death.

 

Though the whole thing with rushing seemed to be a problem with the rest of the Akatsuki. The only ones who didn't suffer it were Sasori given how hard of a fight Sakura and Chiyo had with him, Nagato/Pain didn't suffer it either considering his fight with Jiraiya and then Naruto, and the revelation of who he was, and neither did Itachi or Kisame.

 

Even if Itachi's final fight with Sasuke could have been better in some ways, I get why it was like it was when we learn Itachi was dying as is, plus he was trying to help Sasuke by rid him of relying on Orochimaru's power, even if his actions led Sasuke to take a darker path since Sasuke once again was not thinking of what Itachi did for him, but only thinking about himself.

Edited by Bryon_Konoha_Ninja, 02 January 2020 - 06:00 PM.

[VanitasDS76491]

It's not like Hidan and Kakuzu were bad villains, it's just that they felt rushed and there was more that could have been done. I even feel that if Kishimoto wanted to do development for Shikamaru, he could have done it without killing Asuma, and trying in some ways to have Shikamaru replace his sensei after his death.
 
Though the whole thing with rushing seemed to be a problem with the rest of the Akatsuki. The only ones who didn't suffer it were Sasori given how hard of a fight Sakura and Chiyo had with him, Nagato/Pain didn't suffer it either considering his fight with Jiraiya and then Naruto, and the revelation of who he was, and neither did Itachi or Kisame.
 
Even if Itachi's final fight with Sasuke could have been better in some ways, I get why it was like it was when we learn Itachi was dying as is, plus he was trying to help Sasuke by rid him of relying on Orochimaru's power, even if his actions led Sasuke to take a darker path since Sasuke once again was not thinking of what Itachi did for him, but only thinking about himself.

Agreed even though itachi just turned into the boss from mgs3 after his death and the truth about him.

[Phantom_999]

 

It's not like Hidan and Kakuzu were bad villains, it's just that they felt rushed and there was more that could have been done. I even feel that if Kishimoto wanted to do development for Shikamaru, he could have done it without killing Asuma, and trying in some ways to have Shikamaru replace his sensei after his death.

 

Though the whole thing with rushing seemed to be a problem with the rest of the Akatsuki. The only ones who didn't suffer it were Sasori given how hard of a fight Sakura and Chiyo had with him, Nagato/Pain didn't suffer it either considering his fight with Jiraiya and then Naruto, and the revelation of who he was, and neither did Itachi or Kisame.

 

Even if Itachi's final fight with Sasuke could have been better in some ways, I get why it was like it was when we learn Itachi was dying as is, plus he was trying to help Sasuke by rid him of relying on Orochimaru's power, even if his actions led Sasuke to take a darker path since Sasuke once again was not thinking of what Itachi did for him, but only thinking about himself.

 

And that lead to another broken message. Revenge is okay if ANOTHER creator's pet does it!!!!  Shikamaru if you didn't catch on. And Kakashi even helps them with it, despite telling his "favorite student" to not pursue revenge. The hypocrisy is pretty blatant there

Edited by Phantom_999, 03 January 2020 - 07:22 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

And that lead to another broken message. Revenge is okay if ANOTHER creator's pet does it!!!!  Shikamaru if you didn't catch it. And Kakashi even helps them with it, despite telling his "favorite student" to not pursue revenge. The hypocrisy is pretty blatant there

 

Exactly. Hell, even Naruto had a small idea of what it'd be like to seek revenge when it came to hearing about Jiraiya's death, but unlike getting it like Shikamaru and Sasuke and it not changing a damn thing for them, Naruto may not have forgiven Nagato, but he refused to kill him for revenge since he knew it'd be dishonor Jiraiya's memory, even if Naruto had all the reason to do it because of that, AND all the other things Nagato did in his desire for revenge on the Leaf for the fact his parents had been killed by Leaf ninjas because they were attacked by his parents due to wartime and all that....

[VanitasDS76491]

And that lead to another broken message. Revenge is okay if ANOTHER creator's pet does it!!!!  Shikamaru if you didn't catch it. And Kakashi even helps them with it, despite telling his "favorite student" to not pursue revenge. The hypocrisy is pretty blatant there

  

further proof kishi only cared about the Uchiha the whole time.
Exactly. Hell, even Naruto had a small idea of what it'd be like to seek revenge when it came to hearing about Jiraiya's death, but unlike getting it like Shikamaru and Sasuke and it not changing a damn thing for them, Naruto may not have forgiven Nagato, but he refused to kill him for revenge since he knew it'd be dishonor Jiraiya's memory, even if Naruto had all the reason to do it because of that, AND all the other things Nagato did in his desire for revenge on the Leaf for the fact his parents had been killed by Leaf ninjas because they were attacked by his parents due to wartime and all that....

Naruto has the worst revenge story ever , I've seen better ones John wick , assassin creed 2 , robocop, maybe God of war.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

   Naruto has the worst revenge story ever , I've seen better ones John wick , assassin creed 2 , robocop, maybe God of war.

 

And in some of those, like God of War, the protagonist realizes in the end that revenge solves NOTHING. Look how it also was in Hamlet; even when Hamlet managed to avenge his father by finally killing Claudius, he still died in the long run, and so many others he was tied to had died as well, both by his own actions and also by Claudius' manipulations.

[VanitasDS76491]

And in some of those, like God of War, the protagonist realizes in the end that revenge solves NOTHING. Look how it also was in Hamlet; even when Hamlet managed to avenge his father by finally killing Claudius, he still died in the long run, and so many others he was tied to had died as well, both by his own actions and also by Claudius' manipulations.

OR in assassin's creed 2 ezio learned that after beating Rodrigo at the end and it played into his character in brotherhood. And look at Kratos now the game showed a new Kratos and a more developed one.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

OR in assassin's creed 2 ezio learned that after beating Rodrigo at the end and it played into his character in brotherhood. And look at Kratos now the game showed a new Kratos and a more developed one.

Bingo! And yet when Sasuke got his revenge, all he did was keep turning it on others since his desire to kill Itachi had also stemmed from his jealousy towards him, not just Itachi killing the Uchiha clan.

And even as he got his payback on Danzo, all Sasuke kept seeking was ways to destroy others to make HIMSELF feel better, showing he never cared about the truth he learned from Obito (twisted since Obito lied about unleashing Kurama on the Leaf), just about himself and what he wanted.

Makes me wish when Itachi came back to life briefly that he would have said how disappointed he was that Sasuke has let hate consume him so much, and proof of why I also hate the Curse of Hatred thing for the Uchiha as an excuse for their darker nature....

[Riverkid]

It's not just Naruto.

Over the last few years, we've seen more and more bad scripts in cinemas and TV shows.

 

TV shows have gained the upper hand in recent years. Titles like "The Sopranos", "Breaking Bad", "The Walking Dead" (earlier seasons), "Westworld", "Mr. Robot" etc. show more and more how to experience a story and not just watching it passively. Nevertheless you can still find a wide range of garbage on Netflix or Amazon.

 

I recently went to see the movie "Star Wars" with friends and found a lot of similarities to Naruto.

 

Many retcons, forced emotions, unprepared twists, boring and repetitive dialogues. Everything is thrown at the protagonists feet to make the fight against the antagonist easy. Logic and meaning are cannibalized by values like "force", "hope" and "friendship", which in an exaggerated way get a pedestal in every imaginable scene.

 

It is always this "safe way" that most scripts follow to appeal to the largest audience. Just so that every character gets at least one scene and is there until the end. Just so that it looks cinematically great at the end. Just so that the opinions, views and expectations of many are met.

 

In most cases it's not about how to write a good script but how to reach the masses and entertain them in the easiest way.

Thats why i also hate the Avenger-Movies. Everything is only carried by the CGI and the Score. How Game of Thrones was mostly carried by the film Score last season. Just like most of the music songs today with all the good beats, which the artists don't even produce themselves, covering their bad and boring lyrics. It doesn't matter as long as people watch and listen to it.

 

Naruto is just one of those examples. You've never experienced the relationship between Naruto and Hinata, it was always just thrown right in front of your face. You just watched it. There aren't countless dialogues where you might have to read between the lines to find hidden feelings. Everything has been revealed since the beginning and nothing has been explored. Don't want to start with the other hundred things that "Naruto", like "Star Wars", did badly.

 

That's how I see most movies and series these days, it's just all openly bluntly provided and you don't enjoy the little details that make for the quality. It's kinda sad that most people don't care for stuff like that. They are happy enough when their favourite game (e.g. The Witcher) is getting a TV-Show on Netflix. Happy enough to ignore all the flaws and bad writing, to the point where they even give 10-Star ratings with the comment "I give it a 10/10 against those people who criticize my favourite show". People who try to argue with "Art is in the eye of the beholder" are the ones who don't understand art.

Edited by Riverkid, 03 January 2020 - 11:22 PM.

[VanitasDS76491]

Bingo! And yet when Sasuke got his revenge, all he did was keep turning it on others since his desire to kill Itachi had also stemmed from his jealousy towards him, not just Itachi killing the Uchiha clan.
And even as he got his payback on Danzo, all Sasuke kept seeking was ways to destroy others to make HIMSELF feel better, showing he never cared about the truth he learned from Obito (twisted since Obito lied about unleashing Kurama on the Leaf), just about himself and what he wanted.
Makes me wish when Itachi came back to life briefly that he would have said how disappointed he was that Sasuke has let hate consume him so much, and proof of why I also hate the Curse of Hatred thing for the Uchiha as an excuse for their darker nature....

That curse of hatred is bs anyway.
Or batman himself is a great tale about revenge solves nothing even batman forever had a great saying by Bruce about what would happen if kitten got revenge on two-face.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

That curse of hatred is bs anyway.
Or batman himself is a great tale about revenge solves nothing even batman forever had a great saying by Bruce about what would happen if kitten got revenge on two-face.

 

Yep, and kitten even felt that after Two-Face died in Batman Forever. Hmm... and look at how revenge for Shikamaru changed jack for him. Asuma was still dead, and deep down, he felt he had to fill the void due to blaming himself for Asuma's death and to honor him.