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[catsi563]

I think part of it may be Orihimes character development.

 

In many ways Hinata is a blank slate. Shes defined by one singular characteristic; namely her devotion to Naruto.

 

but beyond that like I said blank slate. She has no other development or plot points. take her out of the manga and replace her with generic hyuga girl #2 and you would literal see the story of Naruto not skip a beat

 

so because shes that blank slate, the people that worship her are able to transplant their own feelings and desires onto her character because theres so much room for interpretation. In many ways shes an incels dream. 

[Derock]

I think part of it may be Orihimes character development.

 

In many ways Hinata is a blank slate. Shes defined by one singular characteristic; namely her devotion to Naruto.

 

but beyond that like I said blank slate. She has no other development or plot points. take her out of the manga and replace her with generic hyuga girl #2 and you would literal see the story of Naruto not skip a beat

 

so because shes that blank slate, the people that worship her are able to transplant their own feelings and desires onto her character because theres so much room for interpretation. In many ways shes an incels dream. 

 

Who will like a character who is a blank state and one-dimensional/characteristic? It calls automatic, "BORING!"

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

Who will like a character who is a blank state and one-dimensional/characteristic? It calls automatic, "BORING!"

 

As someone who uses a lot of imagination, Derock, I gotta agree with you. SOmeone who's a blank slate and one-dimensional IS boring!

[James S Cassidy]

I think part of it may be Orihimes character development.

 

In many ways Hinata is a blank slate. Shes defined by one singular characteristic; namely her devotion to Naruto.

 

but beyond that like I said blank slate. She has no other development or plot points. take her out of the manga and replace her with generic hyuga girl #2 and you would literal see the story of Naruto not skip a beat

 

so because shes that blank slate, the people that worship her are able to transplant their own feelings and desires onto her character because theres so much room for interpretation. In many ways shes an incels dream. 

I think this is probably the only thing that comes close to the real answer. She is such a blank slate that people love self-inserting her "obsessive-ness" into her and using that to fulfill their own fantasies. Case and point, look at the abridged series of Naruto and how MasakoX made HInata say "Sorry, Naruto, but I am going out with MasakoX"

We here can definitly say why we like Sakura, but we also admit she has issues that should have been fixed. In fact, we are insulted that she was reduced down to pairing fodder because we saw her as so much more. (Many Pro-enders say that if you are a true fan of Sakura, then you want her to be Sasuke because that is what she wanted. I make the argument for being a fan for Naruto means you want him to be with Sakura, but then they once again brush that off which means, by their own logic, I have proven they are not NH fans because there is no "Naruto" they worship. They only care about the "H" in NH.)

These Hinata fans seems to insert facts they want rather than use the facts that are there.
 

 

 

Who will like a character who is a blank state and one-dimensional/characteristic? It calls automatic, "BORING!"

Yeah, but these people want to believe Hinata is their love interest. That Hinata loves them and they can make her anyway they want.

Maybe behind the shy exterior she is a sex goddess in their eyes. Behind the shy "N-N-Naruto-kun" she wants a gangbang so hard with tons of Naruto clones and just be this.....well, you can fill in the rest. That's what they want. It is not the reality, but the fantasy they crave. Dare I say, we sometimes want that too, but we are more conservative about it. We don't say "this is the canon because we want it to be." We say "this is the canon because that is how it happened."

 

[VanitasDS76491]

She was much better developed. Essentially, she is what Hinata could have been in the Naruto story, but yet...Orihime is HATED by the Bleach community while Hinata is loved.
Every time I see posts about Bleach they all say "OMG, Orihime is so useless. All she is is boobs and a damsel," but Hinata is loved.
That's why I can't get my head around it.
Why do people love Hinata so much? Whatever reason people give, it is never consistent when compared to how they feel to similar characters.
"They love Hinata because she has big boobs," but they hate Orihime because she is big boobs.
"They love Hinata because she was loyal to Naruto," but they hate the fact that Orihime loves Ichigo since the beginning.
"They love HInata because she is shy," while they hate Orihime because she is reserved.
Orihime is everything that Hinata could have been and they hate her in comparison.

appealingly fairness doesn't exist. Would it be shocking if Sakura was made 8th hokage in bolt.
Also Sakura hate makes no sense when people like danzo, orochimaru, madara and obito are characters especially danzo.
  

I think part of it may be Orihimes character development.
 
In many ways Hinata is a blank slate. Shes defined by one singular characteristic; namely her devotion to Naruto.
 
but beyond that like I said blank slate. She has no other development or plot points. take her out of the manga and replace her with generic hyuga girl #2 and you would literal see the story of Naruto not skip a beat
 
so because shes that blank slate, the people that worship her are able to transplant their own feelings and desires onto her character because theres so much room for interpretation. In many ways shes an incels dream.

at least orihime has a personality and an identity outside ichigo we see her be friends with others namely rukia and she has a good drive to want to help but needs work to help.

I think this is probably the only thing that comes close to the real answer. She is such a blank slate that people love self-inserting her "obsessive-ness" into her and using that to fulfill their own fantasies. Case and point, look at the abridged series of Naruto and how MasakoX made HInata say "Sorry, Naruto, but I am going out with MasakoX"
We here can definitly say why we like Sakura, but we also admit she has issues that should have been fixed. In fact, we are insulted that she was reduced down to pairing fodder because we saw her as so much more. (Many Pro-enders say that if you are a true fan of Sakura, then you want her to be Sasuke because that is what she wanted. I make the argument for being a fan for Naruto means you want him to be with Sakura, but then they once again brush that off which means, by their own logic, I have proven they are not NH fans because there is no "Naruto" they worship. They only care about the "H" in NH.)
These Hinata fans seems to insert facts they want rather than use the facts that are there.
 
 


Yeah, but these people want to believe Hinata is their love interest. That Hinata loves them and they can make her anyway they want.
Maybe behind the shy exterior she is a sex goddess in their eyes. Behind the shy "N-N-Naruto-kun" she wants a gangbang so hard with tons of Naruto clones and just be this.....well, you can fill in the rest. That's what they want. It is not the reality, but the fantasy they crave. Dare I say, we sometimes want that too, but we are more conservative about it. We don't say "this is the canon because we want it to be." We say "this is the canon because that is how it happened."

Canon in Naruto means nothing since the last undid the whole canon.

[KClaws_2]

I think part of it may be Orihimes character development.
 
In many ways Hinata is a blank slate. Shes defined by one singular characteristic; namely her devotion to Naruto.
 
but beyond that like I said blank slate. She has no other development or plot points. take her out of the manga and replace her with generic hyuga girl #2 and you would literal see the story of Naruto not skip a beat
 
so because shes that blank slate, the people that worship her are able to transplant their own feelings and desires onto her character because theres so much room for interpretation. In many ways shes an incels dream.

  
I still don’t get how that makes her appealing. There’s NOTHING there, and she’s into Naruto, not them. We all have our biases on how certain characters are to us, but blank slates are no fun. You have to do all the work the author was supposed to.

I think this is probably the only thing that comes close to the real answer. She is such a blank slate that people love self-inserting her "obsessive-ness" into her and using that to fulfill their own fantasies. Case and point, look at the abridged series of Naruto and how MasakoX made HInata say "Sorry, Naruto, but I am going out with MasakoX"
We here can definitly say why we like Sakura, but we also admit she has issues that should have been fixed. In fact, we are insulted that she was reduced down to pairing fodder because we saw her as so much more. (Many Pro-enders say that if you are a true fan of Sakura, then you want her to be Sasuke because that is what she wanted. I make the argument for being a fan for Naruto means you want him to be with Sakura, but then they once again brush that off which means, by their own logic, I have proven they are not NH fans because there is no "Naruto" they worship. They only care about the "H" in NH.)
These Hinata fans seems to insert facts they want rather than use the facts that are there.
 
 


Yeah, but these people want to believe Hinata is their love interest. That Hinata loves them and they can make her anyway they want.
Maybe behind the shy exterior she is a sex goddess in their eyes. Behind the shy "N-N-Naruto-kun" she wants a gangbang so hard with tons of Naruto clones and just be this.....well, you can fill in the rest. That's what they want. It is not the reality, but the fantasy they crave. Dare I say, we sometimes want that too, but we are more conservative about it. We don't say "this is the canon because we want it to be." We say "this is the canon because that is how it happened."

I just wish they would come out and admit that they only like Hinata for her sex appeal (which in my opinion, she never had any).

It really feels like these so-called fans can not distinguish between fantasy and reality. I don’t know whether it is because most of these outspoken fans are teenagers still growing up, or if these are adults with serious problems. Probably a bit of both.

Honestly, it really feels like a no-win situation these days when it comes to female characters. A female character isn’t a powerhouse, people want her written off without any chance of improving. A female is strong, suddenly she is a Mary Sue and it’s part of some feminist agenda. Female is rather perfect in some way, people want her to go through some struggle or reveal skeletons in her closet. Other female has real-life character flaws, suddenly she’s a horrible person who deserves to be murdered and raped, in that order. Female looks rather plain or even athletic, people will poke fun at the flat-chested kitten. Female character is curvy, she’s called a slut.

Can’t there be some sort of middle ground with all of these traits?

[jak123]

 A female is strong, suddenly she is a Mary Sue and it’s part of some feminist agenda. 

The only reason people think like that is because the constant push for "strong female characters" and they just happen to be mary sues because those people don't understand that a legit "strong" character has both strengths and weaknesses. Also, most of the other types you describe are all slammed by the same people who constantly demand that all females characters must be "strong". 

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

The only reason people think like that is because the constant push for "strong female characters" and they just happen to be mary sues because those people don't understand that a legit "strong" character has both strengths and weaknesses. Also, most of the other types you describe are all slammed by the same people who constantly demand that all females characters must be "strong". 

 

Amen to that. It's why I feel Wonder Woman for the DCEU did things right for a strong female character, because we see even with Diana's drive to want to protect people when she's on the battlefields of World War I, that she is bothered by what happens with Ares and how it doesn't stop the war, and how everything else shapes her to be as she is currently.

 

Captain Marvel had that a bit too, but I also feel it felt a little more forced SOMETIMES, but not all the time. Not the best MCU movie, but it's enjoyable at least.

[James S Cassidy]

  
I still don’t get how that makes her appealing. There’s NOTHING there, and she’s into Naruto, not them. We all have our biases on how certain characters are to us, but blank slates are no fun. You have to do all the work the author was supposed to.

I just wish they would come out and admit that they only like Hinata for her sex appeal (which in my opinion, she never had any).

It really feels like these so-called fans can not distinguish between fantasy and reality. I don’t know whether it is because most of these outspoken fans are teenagers still growing up, or if these are adults with serious problems. Probably a bit of both.

Honestly, it really feels like a no-win situation these days when it comes to female characters. A female character isn’t a powerhouse, people want her written off without any chance of improving. A female is strong, suddenly she is a Mary Sue and it’s part of some feminist agenda. Female is rather perfect in some way, people want her to go through some struggle or reveal skeletons in her closet. Other female has real-life character flaws, suddenly she’s a horrible person who deserves to be murdered and raped, in that order. Female looks rather plain or even athletic, people will poke fun at the flat-chested kitten. Female character is curvy, she’s called a slut.

Can’t there be some sort of middle ground with all of these traits?

As Jak said, the very people who want "strong female characters" are the same people that keep saying that women are weak pathetic and the only way women can be strong is if men are brought down a peg and shown to be evil A-holes that are extremely sexist in every way and are stereotypical that you wonder if these people ever met a real male in the street before.

Wonder Woman is the good example of a women done right. She is strong and can do thing on her own, but never once put down the men in her group because "man are bad, wahmen forever" ideologies that are plaguing the industry. Steve Trevor is still commended for his valor despite not having the same powers and Diana respects him and his sacrifice. This is unlike Captain Marvel which all she seems to want to talk about is smashing the patriarchy, but doesn't really do anything. She is super powerful, but dos nothing really useful with it while making excuses.

"There are other planets that are in need of people."

Yeah, but I think when the whole universe is at stake you can put smaller stuff on the back burner or you won't have any planets at all. Thanos has been wrecking planets for a REALLY long time and you only NOW notice it? What the hell were you doing the whole time? Where was she when Xander was under attack by Ronin? Where was she when the Chitari were on Earth? Where was she when Ego was causing issues on MULTIPLE PLANETS?! Apparently, she was nowhere to be found and no explaining why other than "I was taking care of other things."

It is ridiculous and sad.

This is why I hate Rey in Star Wars too. She has no real formal training. She basically just becomes that good for no reason and the producers and directors themselves literally say "It is because she is a woman and the force is now female."

This society....this culture confuses me. I love Sakura because she was strong, but not flawless and she overcame so much, but apparently I am the one being sexist because I didn't support the useless big boobed, no brain bimbo who only defining feature was being subservient to a man. Is there a gas leak? Did I fall into the twilight zone or something? Why am I sexist cause I wanted to treat a women equally and wanted her to be realistic and independent?

[Nostradamus]

 

Amen to that. It's why I feel Wonder Woman for the DCEU did things right for a strong female character, because we see even with Diana's drive to want to protect people when she's on the battlefields of World War I, that she is bothered by what happens with Ares and how it doesn't stop the war, and how everything else shapes her to be as she is currently.

 

Captain Marvel had that a bit too, but I also feel it felt a little more forced SOMETIMES, but not all the time. Not the best MCU movie, but it's enjoyable at least.

Take a look at this:

Perfect role model. /s

[jak123]

Take a look at this:

Perfect role model. /s

That was a combination of Carol Danvers just generally being a poorly written character ever since taking up the CM mantle + Brie Larson being a terrible actress. It also didn't help that anyone who criticized the movie was called a sexist troll. I'm honestly glad she didn't play a major role in Endgame. 

[VanitasDS76491]

That was a combination of Carol Danvers just generally being a poorly written character ever since taking up the CM mantle + Brie Larson being a terrible actress. It also didn't help that anyone who criticized the movie was called a sexist troll. I'm honestly glad she didn't play a major role in Endgame.

Or we wouldn't have a awesome movie if she was in more of it.

[VanitasDS76491]

As Jak said, the very people who want "strong female characters" are the same people that keep saying that women are weak pathetic and the only way women can be strong is if men are brought down a peg and shown to be evil A-holes that are extremely sexist in every way and are stereotypical that you wonder if these people ever met a real male in the street before.
Wonder Woman is the good example of a women done right. She is strong and can do thing on her own, but never once put down the men in her group because "man are bad, wahmen forever" ideologies that are plaguing the industry. Steve Trevor is still commended for his valor despite not having the same powers and Diana respects him and his sacrifice. This is unlike Captain Marvel which all she seems to want to talk about is smashing the patriarchy, but doesn't really do anything. She is super powerful, but dos nothing really useful with it while making excuses.
"There are other planets that are in need of people."
Yeah, but I think when the whole universe is at stake you can put smaller stuff on the back burner or you won't have any planets at all. Thanos has been wrecking planets for a REALLY long time and you only NOW notice it? What the hell were you doing the whole time? Where was she when Xander was under attack by Ronin? Where was she when the Chitari were on Earth? Where was she when Ego was causing issues on MULTIPLE PLANETS?! Apparently, she was nowhere to be found and no explaining why other than "I was taking care of other things."
It is ridiculous and sad.
This is why I hate Rey in Star Wars too. She has no real formal training. She basically just becomes that good for no reason and the producers and directors themselves literally say "It is because she is a woman and the force is now female."
This society....this culture confuses me. I love Sakura because she was strong, but not flawless and she overcame so much, but apparently I am the one being sexist because I didn't support the useless big boobed, no brain bimbo who only defining feature was being subservient to a man. Is there a gas leak? Did I fall into the twilight zone or something? Why am I sexist cause I wanted to treat a women equally and wanted her to be realistic and independent?

I agreed James still waiting game for them to ruin wonder woman like that you know they would. I'm worried about Tifa in ff7 remake cause of this sjw kitten.

[KClaws_2]

As Jak said, the very people who want "strong female characters" are the same people that keep saying that women are weak pathetic and the only way women can be strong is if men are brought down a peg and shown to be evil A-holes that are extremely sexist in every way and are stereotypical that you wonder if these people ever met a real male in the street before.
Wonder Woman is the good example of a women done right. She is strong and can do thing on her own, but never once put down the men in her group because "man are bad, wahmen forever" ideologies that are plaguing the industry. Steve Trevor is still commended for his valor despite not having the same powers and Diana respects him and his sacrifice. This is unlike Captain Marvel which all she seems to want to talk about is smashing the patriarchy, but doesn't really do anything. She is super powerful, but dos nothing really useful with it while making excuses. /s

Okay, WHERE does Captain Marvel even mention something about patriarchy? All that was even close to that was her friend mentioning how women weren’t allowed to fly in the Air Force until a couple years prior to the movie, and it was never brought up again. She didn’t look down on Nick Fury because he was a man, she looked down on him BECAUSE HE WAS HUMAN and she thought she wasn’t. If we’re going to continue the fad of attacking Carol, let’s at least be accurate.
Wonder Woman was far, FAR more feminist than CM. She came from an island of nothing BUT women, she thought being a secretary was the same as being a slave, the war room back in London were mad at Steve for bringing her inside, and yes, a lot of that had to do with the time period it took place. Patty Jenkins herself said the movie was feminist, and Gal Gadot herself said “If you’re not a feminist, you’re a sexist.”, and no one on the internet seems to care she said that.
Oh, and let’s not forget the Wonder Woman animated movie where they made her a total misandrist. God, that was cringe.

Take a look at this:

Perfect role model. /s

 
No one finds what the dude there is doing as creepy? She gave him the “Kitten off” look before, and he got in her space. If anything he’s lucky he only got off with a slight burn. Any dude did that to one of my female friends, I would have said “You need to back off.”, and if I wasn’t there, they would tased him where the sun don’t shine. Plus: CONTEXT! Carol was a Kree soldier at this point in the movie, of course she wouldn’t give a damn about him.
It’s not like any of the other superheroes in film were perfect role models. Like the time Supes stole those clothes in MoS. Or when Tony blasted random objects in his suit in a room full of people while drunk. Or when Steve got Stan Lee fired. Or when Thor wanted to throw down with the Frost Giants because they ruined his coronation. Or Scott having been a thief. Or Tony creating Ultron out of paranoia. Or Wanda and Pietro joining Ultron and also being responsible for the deaths of hundreds when they manipulated Hulk. Or Hulk being Hulk. Or when Batman was branding people so they would be killed in prison. Or when Aquaman told the bartender to charge the man he just rescued for his drink. Or Shazam being a brat for most of the movie and pussies out the first challenge he gets. I could go on.

Really, Captain Marvel is the Sakura of the MCU. People hear the name, and they jump on it, thinking she alone is somehow going to ruin the MCU, saying the movie would flop when it exceeded expectations, claiming she was barely in Endgame because of the reception of the movie when in fact it was because Larson shot in Endgame first BEFORE she started filming her own movie, thinking they’re not doing a sequel when her movie literally came out this year so of course it’s not ready, jumping on Brie for lying about doing her own stunts without realizing SHE WAS JOKING. And somehow the other characters/actors get a pass for their flaws. Kind of like how the bashers find every reason to hate Sakura they can pull out of their hole but ignore the other flaws of the Naruto characters.
And you know who’s more sick of this than me? The other people who genuinely didn’t like Captain Marvel for legitimate reasons, but are not into this culture war kitten, are willing to go about their lives but keep getting lumped in with these incels. Yeah, I liked the movie, but I didn’t think it was GREAT. If CM is honestly the worst movie you have ever seen, then I promise you have never actually seen a bad movie in your life. Try watching Meet the Spartans. Just don’t make a drinking game out of it.

 

I agreed James still waiting game for them to ruin wonder woman like that you know they would. I'm worried about Tifa in ff7 remake cause of this sjw kitten.

Okay, I doubt Japan gives a kitten about our politics, let alone some ubiquitous fringe group. What’s going on with Tifa, because I swear there was some sort of controversy a couple years ago about her having KK breasts and it just kind of sizzled out. There’s a saying out on the internet: Anti-SJWs are the new SJWs.
Really, this SJW paranoia has gotten ridiculous. The only reason you’re seeing this nonsense is because you’re convinced it exists and we get a case of believing is seeing. These media don’t care about “woke” points, they care about money, and if they think getting that money means appealing to women, PoC or LBGT people, of course they’re going to do that. Given how big FF7 has been, I honestly don’t see the need for them to do that beyond a few Tifa commercials maybe.
So just calm down. Whatever is going to go wrong with FFVII 2 is going to be because of bad marketing, bad programming and bad writing. Don’t blame it on some group of people that don’t exist, and if they do, I doubt they even play games so I doubt Sony is going to reach out to them exclusively.

[Dalton.T.R]

 
No one finds what the dude there is doing as creepy? She gave him the “Kitten off” look before, and he got in her space. If anything he’s lucky he only got off with a slight burn. Any dude did that to one of my female friends, I would have said “You need to back off.”, and if I wasn’t there, they would tased him where the sun don’t shine. Plus: CONTEXT! Carol was a Kree soldier at this point in the movie, of course she wouldn’t give a damn about him.
It’s not like any of the other superheroes in film were perfect role models. Like the time Supes stole those clothes in MoS. Or when Tony blasted random objects in his suit in a room full of people while drunk. Or when Steve got Stan Lee fired. Or when Thor wanted to throw down with the Frost Giants because they ruined his coronation. Or Scott having been a thief. Or Tony creating Ultron out of paranoia. Or Wanda and Pietro joining Ultron and also being responsible for the deaths of hundreds when they manipulated Hulk. Or Hulk being Hulk. Or when Batman was branding people so they would be killed in prison. Or when Aquaman told the bartender to charge the man he just rescued for his drink. Or Shazam being a brat for most of the movie and pussies out the first challenge he gets. I could go on.

Really, Captain Marvel is the Sakura of the MCU. People hear the name, and they jump on it, thinking she alone is somehow going to ruin the MCU, saying the movie would flop when it exceeded expectations, claiming she was barely in Endgame because of the reception of the movie when in fact it was because Larson shot in Endgame first BEFORE she started filming her own movie, thinking they’re not doing a sequel when her movie literally came out this year so of course it’s not ready, jumping on Brie for lying about doing her own stunts without realizing SHE WAS JOKING. And somehow the other characters/actors get a pass for their flaws. Kind of like how the bashers find every reason to hate Sakura they can pull out of their hole but ignore the other flaws of the Naruto characters.
And you know who’s more sick of this than me? The other people who genuinely didn’t like Captain Marvel for legitimate reasons, but are not into this culture war kitten, are willing to go about their lives but keep getting lumped in with these incels. Yeah, I liked the movie, but I didn’t think it was GREAT. If CM is honestly the worst movie you have ever seen, then I promise you have never actually seen a bad movie in your life. Try watching Meet the Spartans. Just don’t make a drinking game out of it.

 

Yeah, I'm sorry, but this is not the first time something like this has happened with a "strong capable woman" character. This is becoming more and more of a trend for female characters and arguably Super Girl was the worst by breaking into a club she wasn't invited to and beating up the bouncers who were trying to get her out. These kinds of movies flop hard and I've seen more and more women are hating them as well. If you want to write a strong female character, this isn't the way to do it. I don't watch a lot of super hero movies because I find them cheesy and the heroes usually have some stupid ridiculous power that makes them all but immortal, but still.

[James S Cassidy]

Okay, WHERE does Captain Marvel even mention something about patriarchy? All that was even close to that was her friend mentioning how women weren’t allowed to fly in the Air Force until a couple years prior to the movie, and it was never brought up again. She didn’t look down on Nick Fury because he was a man, she looked down on him BECAUSE HE WAS HUMAN and she thought she wasn’t. If we’re going to continue the fad of attacking Carol, let’s at least be accurate.
Wonder Woman was far, FAR more feminist than CM. She came from an island of nothing BUT women, she thought being a secretary was the same as being a slave, the war room back in London were mad at Steve for bringing her inside, and yes, a lot of that had to do with the time period it took place. Patty Jenkins herself said the movie was feminist, and Gal Gadot herself said “If you’re not a feminist, you’re a sexist.”, and no one on the internet seems to care she said that.
Oh, and let’s not forget the Wonder Woman animated movie where they made her a total misandrist. God, that was cringe.

 

Seems I have struck a nerve. I don't know if I want to reply because this is going to lead to nowhere, but I will say this. It is NOT just the scenes themselves that are the issues, it is the context of the scenes compared to the motives of the people making them. Symbols can mean anything depending on context, but they can change. I am not sure how political I want to go here, but I can think of a few symbols that originally oppression and hatred, but are now used to symbol anarchy for freedom. That is history.

Disney and Marvel are EXTREMELY SJW. Not only do they not hide, but they downright admit it. Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy to Star Wars and Kevin Feige to MCU and on and on. It is not a secret and I can pull obvious time where they purposely called fans misogynist for not liking Captain Marvel.

You are also confusing Feminist from femnazi and I think this is a huge difference. Femnazis' berate men non-stop to make them feel better. Feminist point out the sexism that take place, but pushing for equality. Wonder Woman would be a feminist. Yes, she had a scene where she called a secretary a type of slave, but you are missing the context of the scene where it takes places in WWII and the culture was different. It is a different culture meaning she didnt understand one from the other. She didn't just go in there and started spouting how bad men are.

I am a feminist, but I am not a femnazi. I believe in equality of the sexes and if you are not a feminist then you are sexist. That's not that hard to understand, but you automatically assume that "feminism" means "female superiority." That's not it at all. You are confusing the two.

So why is Captain Marvel NOT sexist, but Wonder Woman is? We are talking about the live action movies after all.
 

No one finds what the dude there is doing as creepy? She gave him the “Kitten off” look before, and he got in her space. If anything he’s lucky he only got off with a slight burn. Any dude did that to one of my female friends, I would have said “You need to back off.”, and if I wasn’t there, they would tased him where the sun don’t shine. Plus: CONTEXT! Carol was a Kree soldier at this point in the movie, of course she wouldn’t give a damn about him.

You are looking at context, but you are missing the context I said above. Why was the scene created in the first place? Sure, it became a deleted scene later on, but why was in thought of to be put in? Why did you need a guy to be that creepy and stereotypical when MOST MEN are not like this? Why even created it in the first place? Considering that Marvel and Disney are run by open SJWs who admit to wanting female superiority...the context created for the scene is clear.

Why not make another woman come up and judge her? Maybe call her a slut or something. I go out around my town every day and I NEVER see this kind of behavior occur. Not once. Yet, Hollywood keeps making these scenes like they happen every time a girl walks two steps. No. That is completely stereotypical.

This movie, portraying men like that, is sexist towards men. I am offended as a man for how creepy they portrayed this scene on both ends. It is not me whining about "look at how that huge kitten beat that poor innocent man." No. The entire scene is one sexist portrayal of men and women interaction. This doesn't happen as often as these movies want to portray.

Bonus question: Name a Marvel movie where the MALE superhero berates a female and nearly kills her after she tries to say something like "you know, you would look so much better if you wore tighter shirts" and have him steal her car or something. I'll wait.
 

Really, Captain Marvel is the Sakura of the MCU. People hear the name, and they jump on it, thinking she alone is somehow going to ruin the MCU, saying the movie would flop when it exceeded expectations, claiming she was barely in Endgame because of the reception of the movie when in fact it was because Larson shot in Endgame first BEFORE she started filming her own movie, thinking they’re not doing a sequel when her movie literally came out this year so of course it’s not ready, jumping on Brie for lying about doing her own stunts without realizing SHE WAS JOKING. And somehow the other characters/actors get a pass for their flaws. Kind of like how the bashers find every reason to hate Sakura they can pull out of their hole but ignore the other flaws of the Naruto characters.

 

Okay, this is the biggest joke of the whole thread. No, Captain Marvel is not Sakura. This is not even in the same ballpark. No, none has claimed that Captain Marvel alone is going to ruin the MCU. It's just one part of a whole issue that is growing. No, I am not ignoring the flaws of the other characters. Plus, Brie Larson is not helping by constantly berating white men and insulting them. It is not helping when every single time she goes for an interview the other cast hate her guts and she acts likes she alone can do anything. "Yeah, Captain Marvel can totally lift Thor's hammer, beat Superman, and one shot Thanos without trying." Look this up. She is obviously a SJW misandrist trying to prove something and only comes off as being a real kitten.

Brie Larson is a big girl. She can defend herself. She said these words she has to own up to it.

Did you even read the parts where I had an issues with like Rey being too powerful without formal training in Star Wars and the the reaso why they did that was because Rian Johnson wanted her to be that OP because "We want wahmen to be better than men?" Did you read about the part where I said that Captain Marvel has no excuse for why she was not around for any of the other battles in the MCU that they could have used her help and that the cheap explanation is weaksauce in the grand scheme of things? Thanos and Ego were ruining planets left and right and she did nothing. They were practically destroying the galaxy and she did nothing. Where was she? They have no explanation. Why? Because in reality, Captain Marvel was shoehorned in at the last possible second. THAT is why she is really bad. They forced pushed her in because Black Widow, Scarlet Witch, and any of the other female superheroes were "not good enough." This is exactly what they thought. They wanted a broken OP female superhero who has no emotional connection and it is obvious

Dr. Strange said he have bigger fish to fry to, but even he stopped what he was doing to help the Avengers. Endgame even explained why the Ancient didn't get involved.

I have a whole list of issue with the MCU, but this is not the place to put them. You are taking one thing and making it seems like a majority.
 

And you know who’s more sick of this than me? The other people who genuinely didn’t like Captain Marvel for legitimate reasons, but are not into this culture war kitten, are willing to go about their lives but keep getting lumped in with these incels. Yeah, I liked the movie, but I didn’t think it was GREAT. If CM is honestly the worst movie you have ever seen, then I promise you have never actually seen a bad movie in your life. Try watching Meet the Spartans. Just don’t make a drinking game out of it.

 

The worst movie I have ever seen? The Room. The worst MCU movie I have ever seen? It is a tie between Captain Marvel, Thor Dark World, and Iron Man 3. They may have some good scenes, but overall the plot was severely lacking. Second to last worst? Age of Ultron.

I gave you legit reasons why Captain Marvel is horrible. I have also talked about this extensive motives of Marvel behind the scenes and the issues with pushing more agendas than story telling.

Again, the only thing they push for Thor Love and Thunder is Lady Thor (who Marvel can't stand us saying even though it is cultural appropriation at its finest) and a lesbian Valkyrie being the first gay superhero...even though she really isn't and it was Nova who was the first openly gay superhero in Marvel. It is the same reason why everyone praises Black Panther because "It is the first black superhero" when really the movie itself was mediore at best and was basically a rehash of Iron Man mixed with The Lion King. Not bad, but mediocre. It was grand standed for being a black superhero and not because it was a good movie. That is pathetic.

But hey, cultural appropriation is par for Disney now....just look at the black Little Mermaid. Apparently Ginger is the new black. I rather have something more original. Maybe make actual meangingful characters instead of forcing diversity into something that makes no sense to do so.

Of course, these same people are going after Mulan because something about the main heroine supporting the Chinese police?  I don't really care, but it makes me question the validity of seriousness when people chime in with "culture acceptance" non-stop only to toss out other cultures because they don't have the same agenda mindset.

I am more of a freedom of choice and freedom of speech guy. You can say or do whatever you want, but don't affect other people's lives.
 

  Okay, I doubt Japan gives a kitten about our politics, let alone some ubiquitous fringe group. What’s going on with Tifa, because I swear there was some sort of controversy a couple years ago about her having KK breasts and it just kind of sizzled out. There’s a saying out on the internet: Anti-SJWs are the new SJWs.
Really, this SJW paranoia has gotten ridiculous. The only reason you’re seeing this nonsense is because you’re convinced it exists and we get a case of believing is seeing. These media don’t care about “woke” points, they care about money, and if they think getting that money means appealing to women, PoC or LBGT people, of course they’re going to do that. Given how big FF7 has been, I honestly don’t see the need for them to do that beyond a few Tifa commercials maybe.
So just calm down. Whatever is going to go wrong with FFVII 2 is going to be because of bad marketing, bad programming and bad writing. Don’t blame it on some group of people that don’t exist, and if they do, I doubt they even play games so I doubt Sony is going to reach out to them exclusively.

Hahahahaahahahahahah. Ahhh....good one.

Magic Mirror on the wall. Who has never been on twitter at all?

But I will remember this. Next time I see Jamie Marchi wanting to cut off another innocent man's balls...I'll remember that I am just making it up.

Next time I see someone complain about False Rape accusations existing in an anime saying how they are not real and how this is sexist against women...I'll remind myself that I am just imagining it.

And of course, next time I see a woman act like a victim because she claims that ten years ago someone hugged her inappropriately.and all of sudden NOW she feels uncomfortable even though back then she was giddy as a school girl...I'll remember that it is conservative brainwashing.

I wonder what you would say to a women who claims rape when no such rape occurred?

Discussion....terminated.




 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 21 August 2019 - 06:17 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

  Okay, I doubt Japan gives a kitten about our politics, let alone some ubiquitous fringe group. What’s going on with Tifa, because I swear there was some sort of controversy a couple years ago about her having KK breasts and it just kind of sizzled out. There’s a saying out on the internet: Anti-SJWs are the new SJWs.
Really, this SJW paranoia has gotten ridiculous. The only reason you’re seeing this nonsense is because you’re convinced it exists and we get a case of believing is seeing. These media don’t care about “woke” points, they care about money, and if they think getting that money means appealing to women, PoC or LBGT people, of course they’re going to do that. Given how big FF7 has been, I honestly don’t see the need for them to do that beyond a few Tifa commercials maybe.
So just calm down. Whatever is going to go wrong with FFVII 2 is going to be because of bad marketing, bad programming and bad writing. Don’t blame it on some group of people that don’t exist, and if they do, I doubt they even play games so I doubt Sony is going to reach out to them exclusively.

The decision about Tifa was an order made by the American branch of Sony; who has been in-charge of Sony for quite a few number of years. Its the same reason Lara Croft also got a reduction in the reboot. The Japanese from what I understand don't like it and the company that does those dissieda games got good press for saying Tifa's figure would remain voluptuous in their games.

 

Japan is aware of this issue and has been for years as well. A moment I recall is that a developer of DOA Beach Volleyball said they weren't shipping the game over to the US because they didn't want to deal with the bad press. That was at the very early stage of this game censorship SJW/anti conflict nonsense before that was even a term. 

 

So, Japanese are aware of the fact that their games will be criticized if they try to sell them in the US, not because they are good or bad, but because of politics. Also, Sony under the command of the American branch has been using its influence to make Japanese game companies self-censor their games if they want to be on the playstation; which is why a lot of Japanese games are slowly moving to PC.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 22 August 2019 - 02:09 AM.

[jak123]

The decision about Tifa was an order made by the American branch of Sony; who has been in-charge of Sony for quite a few number of years. Its the same reason Lara Croft also got a reduction in the reboot. The Japanese from what I understand don't like it and the company that does those dissieda games got good press for saying Tifa's figure would remain voluptuous in their games.

 

Japan is aware of this issue and has been for years as well. A moment I recall is that a developer of DOA Beach Volleyball said they weren't shipping the game over to the US because they didn't want to deal with the bad press. That was at the very early stage of this game censorship SJW/anti conflict nonsense before that was even a term. 

 

So, Japanese are aware of the fact that their games will be criticized if they try to sell them in the US not because they are good or bad but because of politics. Also, Sony under the command of the American branch has been using its influence to make Japanese games company self-censor their game if they want to be on the playstation; which is why a lot of Japanese games are slowly moving to PC.

Yeah, Japanese gamers are starting to get mad because these decisions are affecting their versions of the games as well. 

[James S Cassidy]

The decision about Tifa was an order made by the American branch of Sony; who has been in-charge of Sony for quite a few number of years. Its the same reason Lara Croft also got a reduction in the reboot. The Japanese from what I understand don't like it and the company that does those dissieda games got good press for saying Tifa's figure would remain voluptuous in their games.

 

Japan is aware of this issue and has been for years as well. A moment I recall is that a developer of DOA Beach Volleyball said they weren't shipping the game over to the US because they didn't want to deal with the bad press. That was at the very early stage of this game censorship SJW/anti conflict nonsense before that was even a term. 

 

So, Japanese are aware of the fact that their games will be criticized if they try to sell them in the US, not because they are good or bad, but because of politics. Also, Sony under the command of the American branch has been using its influence to make Japanese game companies self-censor their games if they want to be on the playstation; which is why a lot of Japanese games are slowly moving to PC.

Yeah, they are going after Japan lately for alot of their stuff now.

Rising of the Shield Hero was being going after for the False Rape accusations saying that it is sexist towards women and saying the author is sexist towards women. Even though the author was female using a male pen-name....whoops.

They went after Goblin Slayer for the rape scenes in the first episode

but these two died down after the whole Vic thing happened.

They are going after many of the director's and such of anime studios for all the "perverted" content of anime even though, again, this is their culture and not our. Some Japanese are actually going on board with it like the Pokemon Artist I think.

However, this is causing more problems than it is worth. Pretty soon, Japanese famous people or director's and stuff won't come to American because our culture has become so toxic with the the SJW stuff that they don't want to come here.  It is sad what is happening.It is a growing issue that started back in January and Anime News Network lead the way.

I do remember the DOA beach Volleyball one and my friend was so sad for it. He wanted that game so badly at the time. This is becoming a problem now.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 22 August 2019 - 03:29 PM.

[Derock]

About Dead or Alive:

 

You do realize many people treat the series nowatdays like a harem/ecchi simulator instead what was originally was, a fighting game series that took elements of Sega's Virtua Fighter series and evolved as its own to rival other 3D fighters like Tekken, with multi-tiered stages, gorgeous graphics (and of course the breast jiggles, which can be turned off) .

 

But ever since the emergence of Marie Rose and Honoka in Dead or Alive 5 and updates, the 2 girls based on loli-type characters, their popularity skyrocketed to epic proportions by otaku fans, outranking Kasumi AND Ayane. What's even worse about that is that Team Ninja when developing Xtreme 3, they ignored the rest of the female characters like Tina and Lei-Fang (at the time, but now she got in through updates) by using the popularity polls as the main tool of who's in or not. And that's not all, Team Ninja added brand new females in the game that are so generic, those otakus tried to bring them over the fighting scene in 6. But the big factors is that they are treating the characters for perverted fantasies (strip pole scenes and simulators that can lead to almost near lewd situations). 

 

As much as I am fan of DOA series, but not with the Xtreme spin-offs because I really don't get what was on the mind of the creator at the time, Tomonobu Itagaki (he left Tecmo after Xtreme 2 came out) when creating the volleyball game but then later turning it into an almost hentai simulator.  Not to mention DOA 6 isn't doing well with uninspired gameplay and bugs galore, both on characters and stages.