Paptala

 

約束の問題じゃねーんだ
This isn't a matter of promise.

サクラちゃんとの約束がなくなっても  関係ねーよ
It doesn't have to do with with your promise, Sakura-chan...
even it's still valid or not.

 

I am not sure if I have translated very well the last part in eng. The core of Naruto's speech is that whatever the promise to her is still ongoing or not, all this didn't have to do with that. Naruto wasn't trying to save Sasuke because of that promise, as thought by Sakura for mistake at the first. Anyway I just took a liberal way there because it wasn't so esplicite in original.

Thanks so much, I really appreciate it a lot!  :-)

Hey, I would really appreciate if anyone could trasnlate these two panels for me:

I've run across the argument that Naruto is saying here that Naruto is dropping the promise or saying that it doesn't matter to him anymore.  And I just wanted to be positive on what exactly Naruto is saying, since I have seen conflicting fan scanlations of these lines.

Thanks in advance! :-)

I think it's pretty much impossible since she has no chakra right now.

Chiyo was also basically out of chakra when she revived Gaara.  She got around that by having Naruto lend her chakra.  Gaara (because I would love the parallel) or someone else like Minato or Kakashi can easily lend Sakrua chakra just as Naruto did for Chiyo.

Exactly. Also, Sakura doing a Chiyo 2.0 is just so dragonball. The optional card that brings the never-ending cycle of killing characters and bringing them back again.

Except if Naruto isn't dead when she uses it (which he isn't now) then she won't die, just like Chiyo didn't die when she used it to save Sakura from the sword wound.  It will just exhuast her.

And if Naruto is dead, then only Rinne Tensei or the life transfer would bring him back, still leaving Sakura and Kakashi as possibles for knowing that technique, and taking Minato off as possible savior since resealing definitely doesn't ressurect dead jinchuuriki - though Obito using RInne Tensei is much more plausible, imo, in that case.

I got to disagree with Hinata's part in your post, Paptala. For Pain Arc, it was all about the village association to Naruto, so we got to have how Naruto changes to many of them, with the village as a whole, Kakashi, Shikamaru, Hinata, Tsunade, Konohamaru, adults like Shikamaru's dad, and of course Sakura.

As for 614/615, while we didn't get much of buildup, hence rushed, we did have her talking about once and for all, standing same ground aka hand holding, so that must be dealt with. Luckily, we did. Now then, what is it that she wants from him? Easy: nothing. Sakura still have few more to deal with Naruto and this is one of them. The most Hinata can get is grouped up with others as in supporting.

Not quite sure what you're disagreeing with - the possibility of Hinata getting more moments in the future regarding her feelings for Naruto?  If so, I'm not saying its likely at all.  But I've thought that Hinata's feelings were done and closed twice now, only to be proven wrong both times.  Heck, look at Karin - she said she was done with Sasuke (which many took to mean as SK being done with) only for her and her feelings for Sasuke to come back later.  I'm not ruling anything out anymore, even if I don't think its all that probable.

Yep. I think we're going to see at lest few more NH/SS moments, especially when we don't expect to see them at all! Kishi loves this kind of trolling. It's always HN/SS followed by NS followed by NH/SS and so on..... the tension will grow as we move to the end of the series.

I'm pretty sure that we're going to have a NS moment soon, but I don't think it will be something super big. A lot of things still need to be explained/dealt-with until Kishi reveals the final pairing.

If anything, I think we'll see the girls' dealing with their feelings, rather than interactions between them (though there's likely going to be at least one significant interaction b/t Sasuke and Sakura resolving their bond at the very end no matter what note it ends on).

I don't know, I think this is the second to last arc personally (and also that we're close to this arc's end), so Kishi could definitely make some big moves with NaruSaku.

Yep, completely agree. Kishi has a pattern going. NH and SS aren't done yet not because of the feelings of the characters are resolved, but because Kishi still has a need to drive up reader suspense. The pairing strife will continue until the very end for suspense purposes, and I'm fully expecting an all-is-lost moment for NS before Kishi resolves it.

These are pretty much my thoughts as well, though I honestly hope that Kishi doesn't drag out the resolutions until the very end.  I'd hope to get some resolution at least before, such as getting Hinata's feelings for Naruto out of the way before the original Team 7 love triangle is tackled/resolved in the final arc.

 

SS definitely needs to get resolved, but what more is there for NH?

 

Chapter 615 was literally the climax of Hinata's desire when it comes to Naruto. She was of help to him and holded his hand. She can't go any higher than that. It's not about pretending to be confident, it's that literally there's no more foreshadowing regarding her importances.

 

In the beginning it was all about Hinata wanting to confess, after she confessed it was about Naruto addressing her actions, after he addressed them it was about Hinata wanting to be there for Naruto, after she was there in 615 there was no more build up implied. It ended right there.

 

Now the only thing Hinata wants is to be by his side, which as we say with Shikamaru saying it too, was not meant to be taken romantically. Hinata wants to support Naruto, just like everyone else, and she liking him is her own problem.

I'm kind of this mind set as well, but as I said above, I've already thought twice now that Hinata's feelings had received closure and were done only to be proven wrong.  Logically, I don't think there's anything more to do with her feelings other than show her being happy that Naruto is happy with Sakura at the end, but I have been wrong before so I'm keeping a more open/wary mindset when it comes to Hinata and the pairing subplot in general.

i just watched Konoha Gakuen Den (ova based on naruto shippuden ed 2) and saw this. Is this funny to you guys?

why sakura cut her hair in that ed

hinata asks why sakura cut her hair, on behalf of the viewers.

ino then shows these picture to explain

i didnt find it funny   maybe im too defensive of her.

 

and i always thought this is fanart, but lol studio pierrot, shouldnt expect any more of them and their bias.

hinata and naruto on a date

I didn't find the gum in Sakura's hair to be funny, but I wasn't bothered by it either.  I didn't get the vibe that they were trying to cast Sakura in a bad light or anything - they were just trying to give funny and silly moments to pretty much all of the characters (look at Kabuto and Orochimaru, for instance).

As for the rest, I actually found that particular special to be much more favorable to NS than NH. 

The dialogue and scenes leading to the moment you posted above is all but shouting that Sakura has fallen for Naruto:

Sakura:  "Well, I guess Naruto has his good points too."

Ino:  "So you fell for him?"
Sakura:  "No way!  Why would I fall for a coarse, clueless guy like that?!" (said in classic tsundere fashion, juxtaposed with an image of Naruto cluelessly holding a sweater Sakura made (not just gave, but made) for him, Sakura turned away from him blushing,

NS

and then another image of Naruto and Sakura standing in rain, their eyes hooded, and Sakura asking why he always has to be so reckless)

NS

[The NH "date" scene]

Sakura (to Hinata):  "I don't know what you see in him"

Ino: "Whoa! You're jealous!"

Sakura's facial expressions (and the dialogue before) fully support Ino's statement that Sakura is jealous:

And to add to that, Naruto is not phased at all - no blush, no awkwardness, nothing to suggest he sees her as anything more than a completely platonic friend or little sister.

Maybe some people don't like how Sakura is characterized/presented, but there's no question that Sakura is pretty blatantly implied to have romantic feelings for Naruto, and that Naruto has no such feelings for Hinata.

 

Terrific post, as usual.  

 

The only thing I'd add is that, depending upon the translation, three people have indicated Naruto loves Sakura.  This panel is from volume 1, chapter 3 from the official English version:

 

 

He was henged as Sasuke at the time, and didn't say it out loud, but Naruto is pretty clear on what he feels. ^_^

Thanks!    Ah, how could I have forgotten that Naruto himself said it - and he used the same term Sai and Sakura used in 457/459 ("suki") so I think its pretty safe to count it.  Of course, detractors always argue that it's outdated but when those same detractors twist 457 into Naruto letting go of his romantic feelings for Sakura and 631 into a joke, I really can't take them all that seriously.

Now I got NS feels again...

Heehee   I'm getting all sorts of NS feels from all of the NS 2014 buzz on tumblr

I actually find it somewhat ridiculous that Naruto is the only character with an interest in someone (out of Sakura, Hinata, etc.) that fans try to claim is not in love simply because he's never said it. It's been developed the entire course of the manga. Actions can speak louder than words, he shouldn't need to. It's going to happen at some point in this manga, it was foreshadowed. But it doesn't mean it isn't already obvious. Fans argue "Hinata loves Naruto" "Sakura loves Sasuke" so why is it that Naruto is suddenly the exception? He's the main character. His romantic attentions should be clear at this point.

 

I've always found the most obvious piece of evidence that is undeniable was his reaction to Sakura's confession. He for a slight second did believe her words until he started adding the weirdness of the situation up and then denied her  loving him entirely. Naruto was not uncomfortable or even calm in sorting out her true intentions. As Sakura continued to express she loved him, Naruto got angry at her "lie". He had no reason to be angry at her unless he felt some extent of romantic love.

 

In reality, fans will believe what they want. But at least when Naruto confesses his love to Sakura they won't be able to deny the truth anymore.

I completely agree - Naruto's feelings are obvious, always have been since chapter 3.  I think the "Naruto's not in love with Sakura unless he flat out says it!" argument to be laughable, especially when these are almost always the same people arguing Naruto is clearly in love with Hinata now from his actions.  So, he only has to say he's in love when it comes to Sakura, apparently

If and when Naruto does confess to Sakura, you can bet people will still be trying to twist it into something platonic (I can see comparisons to Kushina telling Naruto "I love you" or Itachi telling Sasuke, "I love you").

good points . Humm i think we have flashbacks of narutos crush on sakura havent we. So we cant say its 5 years may be he had a crush before that.

I ve tried that they say then why did kishi bring hinata in to it why give her special moments like in chunin exam,pain arc, even in the recent war . As kishi has given her those moments the resolution would be nh canon. I said that was just to make the story more dramatic. But they didnt agree. I said that narutos feelings for sakura is far more devloped but they didnt agree so i left the conversation

Thanks - and we know he liked her upon her introduction, but I don't think there were any flashbacks of Naruto crushing on her before that.  The only NS flashback we get is during the Gaara fight and that was after they had joined Team 7.  All we know is that he liked her sometime before they graduated from the academy.  Hopefully, we'll get a flashback of little Naruto and Sakura at some point - I would love to see the origin of Naruto's feelings for her!

 

I don’t think Kishi made all those Hinata moment in the war to bring more drama in her character. He did that to close her character as a side character in my opinion. If you look the War Arc in an objective view, you will see that Hinata is not the only one who got the spotlight. Every side character got its closure. Ino, Shikamaru and Choji with Asuma and their father, Neji with Naruto, Hinata and his uncle (somewhat), and Hinata with Naruto and Neji. You see the common point between those closure, each of them concern the most important bond in their side character story. During her important moment in chapter 615, it wasn’t a romantic moment, it was her closure moment, she wanted to be useful to Naruto (chapter  559) and what did she do in 615 ? She helped him when he was on the verge of surrender.

 

I really don’t understand all those proclamation of romantic chapter for 615, the only thing that could have been romantic was the handholding, but even there, we see at the end of the chapter that Naruto is transferring his chakra to Hinata and in the next chapter, he instantly release her hand and began to grab every character’s hand to do the same. So at the end, it wasn’t romantic, at least on Naruto’s side, it was just a friendship moment.  

 

So my advice is to not pay attention to those who say the War Arc was focused on Hinata. It was focused on side character with a little more on Hinata and InShikaCho.

But next Arc will surely be focused on Team 7, which means Sakura (and Naruto and Sasuke), and I’m sure that at this point the Hinata deal will be over. I don’t know why but I smell a rejection coming at the end of this War Arc, and it’s on our favor. 

I agree - Hinata was certainly not the only side character getting spotlight during the war - a lot of them got moments, including Sai, Team 10, Neji, and Tsunade.  The only thing Hinata has left to resolve with her character is the romance thread, so of course that's what Kishi is going to usually focus on when she's shown in part 2.  I've always thought that NH and SS were about developing the girls' characters rather than developing a romantic relationship between the two, and the focus Hinata's gotten in the war just seems like Kishi tying up loose ends with her character in order to finish her development.

Though of course its just speculation at the moment - this could be building up to NH canon, but at the same time, I find it less likely than the alternative given chapters like 631 and 635.

I meant what if we see Hinata next chapter... Pain Arc v.2

While NS stuff seems far more likely given the build up from the Rescue Gaara arc (among other things), I'm not ruling out this possibility either.  There really wasn't much buildup for 614/615 or 437.  But at least with 437 we got her constantly worrying before throwing herself in (and this time, we've seen Sakura worrying more about Naruto, both during the war in general and about the extraction in particular before), and with 615 there was Hinata's speech from 573 to foreshadow it.

I don't really see anything to foreshadow major involvement from Hinata here this time, but who knows with Kishi - Hinata's gotten involved majorly when Naruto's life has been in danger the last two times.