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[KeikoxYusuke]

I think I'm coming to terms with the ending a lot sooner then I thought I would, NS is still my OTP, but yeah, just about everyone that we cared about had a happy ending...so *shrug*

Wish NS was canon, but it's not as big as a deal as I first thought it was, I guess the ending still sucks, but overall, it's a good manga, has its ups and downs. I think it should have ended at the pain arc...but there was more to do, so eh....

It's all good I guess.

But if I have to shallow SS he better be good to her! >:|

I want that interview, just to help me move on... >>;;

[Miss Soupy]

Pretty much seconding what Broken Figurine said. It's really frustrating seeing all the shaming posts going around for any criticism towards Naruto's ending. No reader is forced to agree with or like an ending simply because the author 'worked hard' to deliver it. No one should feel shame for disagreeing with plot elements that didn't make sense or receive adequate development. Don't let anyone make you feel like less of a Naruto fan for not simply accepting what the author put in front of you.

 

That being said, acts of actual violence or threats against the author are not an acceptable outlet.

[Pix]

 

the problem is that there is no evidence that this wasn't the planned ending while Anno did not even try to act like he was satisfied, remember the Evangelion movies were not Anno's first attempt at redoing the ending of Eva (episode '25 and '26 as well as End of Evangelion), we would have to wait for an interview before we can say if the is a slight chance that "he" (i now refuse to say his name) might even consider a redo.

I want a redo, but I'm not expecting it. But from the evidence gathered I can assure you that this is not the planned ending. 

 

-First of the interviews. Kishimoto already stated various things that contradict his own ending like: only one "pairing" at the end, coming from the main three, he didn't know how to get rid of Madara, he planned on showing Kakashi's face, Naruto had a boy named Shinachiku, Sakura was being honest in her confession, I mean the list can go on and on. Most of these interviews were taken before the concept of The Last was created by the way. 

 

-The manga/anime. I think it's pretty obvious that everything at the end of the war was a "ride along" type ordeal. Tenten picking up the legendary weapons? Sasuke v. Naruto happening after he found salvation through the dead kages? And saw what happened to Harishima and Madara? Kaguya fight even though she was first mention during the war? And Madara's death in general and how everyone was being played one after another? No this ending didn't even seem like it was created by the same author, but that's my opinon and not really evidence. But overall I think it's safe to make the assumption that Kishimoto was made to drag the story along as much as possible.  

 

 

- News of The Last and Hinata's VA? And how they're milking out everything from Nana Mizuki. Apparently Hinata's even getting her own character song, which by the way, no character songs have been released from any Naruto character (unless you count that one mini album from 10 years ago where they sing re-made songs). But overall this movie is seeming more and more like a Hinata apprectiation video every day. When it was first announced there was nothing about Hinata, and now the entire story focuses on her. If that doesn't scream popularity from a secondary character, I don't know what does (oh wait, in Bleach there was an entire movie about Hitsugaya...). 

 

Overall my theory is that Kishimoto is showing that he's displeased with his ending because- bank. Lots and lots of money. I wouldn't say I was displeased either if I knew what was coming to me. Shounen Jump, which they've done time and time again with Bleach and DBZ, meddled their way into the story and convinced Kishimoto that if he wrote the story in a different matter it would work out better for him.

 

So will it? Only time will tell. But I can also assure you that he lost many fans from around the world... 

[ThroughWithLove]

I want a redo, but I'm not expecting it. But from the evidence gathered I can assure you that this is not the planned ending. 

 

-First of the interviews. Kishimoto already stated various things that contradict his own ending like: only one "pairing" at the end, coming from the main three, he didn't know how to get rid of Madara, he planned on showing Kakashi's face, Naruto had a boy named Shinachiku, Sakura was being honest in her confession, I mean the list can go on and on. Most of these interviews were taken before the concept of The Last was created by the way. 

 

-The manga/anime. I think it's pretty obvious that everything at the end of the war was a "ride along" type ordeal. Tenten picking up the legendary weapons? Sasuke v. Naruto happening after he found salvation through the dead kages? And saw what happened to Harishima and Madara? Kaguya fight even though she was first mention during the war? And Madara's death in general and how everyone was being played one after another? No this ending didn't even seem like it was created by the same author, but that's my opinon and not really evidence. But overall I think it's safe to make the assumption that Kishimoto was made to drag the story along as much as possible.  

 

 

- News of The Last and Hinata's VA? And how they're milking out everything from Nana Mizuki. Apparently Hinata's even getting her own character song, which by the way, no character songs have been released from any Naruto character (unless you count that one mini album from 10 years ago where they sing re-made songs). But overall this movie is seeming more and more like a Hinata apprectiation video every day. When it was first announced there was nothing about Hinata, and now the entire story focuses on her. If that doesn't scream popularity from a secondary character, I don't know what does (oh wait, in Bleach there was an entire movie about Hitsugaya...). 

 

Overall my theory is that Kishimoto is showing that he's displeased with his ending because- bank. Lots and lots of money. I wouldn't say I was displeased either if I knew what was coming to me. Shounen Jump, which they've done time and time again with Bleach and DBZ, meddled their way into the story and convinced Kishimoto that if he wrote the story in a different matter it would work out better for him.

 

So will it? Only time will tell. But I can also assure you that he lost many fans from around the world... 

 

Where did he say Sakura was being honest in her confession? Do you have a link?

[harry4e]

While I do want to punch Kishi in the face, I hope anyone unhappy with the ending doesn't do anything stupid like the person who disliked Kuroko no Basket and kept on sending bomb threats which lead to event being cancelled and ultimately achieved nothing.

 

If they don't like it, write letter to SWJ to complain, stop buying the publication, don't watch the movie, just hope they don't do anything stupid that makes us look as bad as some of the NaruHina fans.

 

 

Pretty much seconding what Broken Figurine said. It's really frustrating seeing all the shaming posts going around for any criticism towards Naruto's ending. No reader is forced to agree with or like an ending simply because the author 'worked hard' to deliver it. No one should feel shame for disagreeing with plot elements that didn't make sense or receive adequate development. Don't let anyone make you feel like less of a Naruto fan for not simply accepting what the author put in front of you.

 

That being said, acts of actual violence or threats against the author are not an acceptable outlet.

 

IF the ending made sense, was properly developed within the manga I don't think anyone would complain, Actually that's not true, someone will always complain, and the way the manga was written no matter who ended up with who, someone had a reason to complain and be dissapointed, Because Kishi set out to deliberately mislead his fanbase, he never tried to sort the mess he made, even when he knew how things were ending, this movie was announced back in Dec 2012, so the end was all planned out back then.

 

He didn't have to bring Karin back in the mix and show her mourning him, when he never intended to do anything with it, he should have left her in Prison, or atleast keep up her Resolution of giving up on Sasuke. He didn't need to have the moment with Minato asking his son if Sakura was his girlfriend and have his son say yes, and then neither denying it. Kishi had plenty of time to sort the pairing wars out, but chose not to, instead he made one final pairing an insult to all women, that scene...I can't even find words for it, for a mistreated part to go crawling back....Argh, I'm a bloke and it makes me feel sick, I don't even understand how anyone if they actually thought about it would be OK with that. Then made the other pairing, put all that progress including any tidbits he could have put in the manga and packaged it away to sell as a movie. He essencially made the Manga the equivelant to a modern day game, took the main game, then cut it up into little pieces to sell as DLC. Kishimoto is the EA of manga. Fans accept this and pretty much every manga will follow suit.

 

I'm getting off topic but anyway, but what I'm essentially saying is I agree, just because the auther worked hard on something doesn't mean he shouldn't get criticised if he didn't do a good job. What is he 9 years old. When EA released Mass Effect 3, failing to deliver on the promise they made before the series was even released, fans were justified to be miffed, because they felt they were missold and were rightfully angry. This is no different.

Edited by harry4e, 10 November 2014 - 09:52 PM.

[Pix]

 

Where did he say Sakura was being honest in her confession? Do you have a link?

I'm sorry, I looked for a little while but I'm afraid that I couldn't find the interview specifically because I forgot where it came from and the title. I'm honestly relying on my memories from reading all of his interviews. I remember reading one where he talks about Sakura being an "honest girl" on NarutoForums and MangaFox, but I couldn't find it. It's quite an old interview though...