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[InvaderSpax]

Ok, this has probably been gone over before, but I'm going to bring it up anyway, in the hopes that someone knows the answer.

In many a fanfic where the Yondaime is included, his name is either Uzumaki Arashi or Kazama Arashi.

Now, as far as I know, nowhere in canon Naruto has the Yondaime's name been revealed (though, this IS just to my knowledge, I could be wrong).

And here's the weird part.

For some reason, I just have this serious feeling of Deja Vu when I hear the name Kazama Arashi. Maybe I'm just remembering it from a ton of fanfics, but I can't help thinking it's in canon somewhere.

Also, since Kishimoto seems to be determined to hold off on admitting that Naruto is the Yondaime's son (come on, who the hell else would it be?), it would also make sense that they had different surnames.

Not to mention (and correct me if I'm wrong) that it's not unheard of in a "feudal Japanese" type setting that the husband would join the wife's clan upon marriage if her clan was more prominent (hence Kazama Arashi and his wife Uzumaki "girl"), i.e. if Naruto married Hinata he could theoretically become Hyuuga Naruto.

So, basically, the question is this:

Is the Yondaime's name actually mention anywhere in canon (and I do include the artbooks and such as they were done by Kishimoto)?

And if so, is it Kazama Arashi?

I'm probably way the hell off in space on this one and muddling together canon and fanfics, but I had to ask.

[Coupe]

I dont think his name has ever been mentioned. I think Arashi is a made up name.

[Gaara]

Hm, I remember there was a scene once, I think it was at the time when Naruto started learning Rasengan - or wait, no I think it was when he started summoning the frog boss, there was a scroll with all the names who had summoned him before (or something like this) and I think there was the name Arashi (surname was unreadable) and since Yondaime was the former summoner of the frog boss, many people think his name was Arashi.

But I'm not sure about this - can someone confirm it?

[Aaron Nowack]

The name comes from The SOC Puppets's Bloodlines. Apparently, "Arashi" comes from squinting really hard at the toad summoning contract (as I understand it, the name isn't clearly legible), while "Kazama" is entirely made up. Neither is canon.

[SilverLily]

Yep, fandom as far as I know, but it seems like a fitting name.

[Pite]

No in the scroll for Frog Summoning the Name nest to jiraya's is written "Kazama Arashi" Which is also infront of Naruto's. We can deuct that if Yondi summoned gama and he was Jira's student that means the he had to sign the contract befour Naruto but after Jira.

[SpongeBobtheBuilder]

here you go.
wikipedia doesnt give much on him. also, there are naruto handbooks or i'm told that give biographies of all the characters in the anime/manga.
heres my input- Uzumaki Naruto =whirlpool fishcake lol. maelstrom where as Kazama Arashi= Something wind Storm. similiarities in name meanings, and maybe their names come from the Rasengan or the fact they both could use it.

[MagusKyros]

Kayaku has also been used as the Yondaime's name. People say it's either this or Arashi that is written in the frog summoning scroll.

[SilverLily]

This may be a little off topic, but I've had an idea buzzing around my head for a while.
I'll bet that the Fourth's TRUE last name is Uzumaki. I'll bet that the Uzumaki clan was either in trouble/hunted by/sought after by other ninja from other villages. I'll be that he changed his name to Kazama for some reason or another, and had to use his real name on the summoning scroll. And, since the Uzumaki name seems to have fallen into the background, Naruto was able to carry it without being in danger.
It may be a little odd, but I like the idea. I hope it's true!

[narusakulover2468]

This may be a little off topic, but I've had an idea buzzing around my head for a while.
I'll bet that the Fourth's TRUE last name is Uzumaki. I'll bet that the Uzumaki clan was either in trouble/hunted by/sought after by other ninja from other villages. I'll be that he changed his name to Kazama for some reason or another, and had to use his real name on the summoning scroll. And, since the Uzumaki name seems to have fallen into the background, Naruto was able to carry it without being in danger.
It may be a little odd, but I like the idea. I hope it's true!

That makes more sense than some stuff I've heard.

[Akano Kin]

Hey! That is a good idea! I like it a lot!

[Demonic_Wonder]

That seems logical

[desaix]

I think, to sum up, the response is "Is it canon? No. But it's not entirely fanon, either -- it's supposition with some debatable evidence." Past examples of similar 'not quite canon, not quite fanon' suppositions that worked out to be true include the 'Asuma is related to the Third\Konohamaru.' I can't think of an example which worked out to be false at this time, but I'm sure there have been some. Just about every serious "____ pairing is going to be canon" speculation is also just like this -- you can't really say it's wrong, but you can't say it's right, either. Similarly, so is the 'Yondaime is Naruto's father' speculation (although that seems to have a touch more positive evidence then the 'what is his name' evidence we've had).

[Vespar]

Yeah, Aaron hit the nail on the head in being that it was The SOC Puppet who made the name popular. Bloodlines is a great piece of work. Unfinished, yes, but a great read none the less.

And thanks for that link, SpongeBobtheBuilder!
It's interesting to see the anime having wrote it more 'cleanly' than the manga. This could either mean that Kishimoto had to spoil that particular detail to them, or they went their own direction again.

And geeze, either way the Fourth had terrible hand-writing. My japanese understanding is rusty enough as it is.
Though I can't quite make heads or tails of the Fourth's name in the manga (looks like Kanji and I'm horrible at that), but for the anime... No matter how I squint at it, I still can't quite see the 'A' in 'Arashi' though. The 'ya' in 'Kayaku' also looks suspect too.

In fact, I'd go so far to say that the Fourth's name starts to look like 'Naru' but the last character doesn't look enough like a 'to'.

Anyone want to comment?

[InvaderSpax]

Wow, you guys rock.

Ok, the toad summoning contract/episode thing was where I had seen "Kazama Arashi" in the series.

I can finally clear my head of that.

So basically, it's exactly like I thought before I asked the question. It's kinda fanon, with bits of canon sprinkled in for good measure.

Chances are, the guy who signed the toad contract before Naruto was the Yondaime (unless Kishimoto decides to pull another random twist out of his ass *cough*kakashi-mangekyo-rasengan-god-only-knows-what-else*cough), though whether or not the name on there is "Kazama Arashi" or really sloppy handwriting that kinda looks like it if you tilt your head and squint and have a super fluent understanding of written Japanese is open to debate.

So is that his name? Wouldn't be surprised.

Thanks for helping me clear that up.

[MonkeysTotallyRock]

The name comes from The SOC Puppets's Bloodlines. Apparently, "Arashi" comes from squinting really hard at the toad summoning contract (as I understand it, the name isn't clearly legible), while "Kazama" is entirely made up. Neither is canon.

yeah, i always thought kazama was made up... though from a different source. actually, i thought for a long while it was uzumaki arashi... hm... but can you imagine being 5' 11' and only weight roughly 150 lbs!!! that's insane! that means the guy had no muscle and no fat whatsoever! ai... some of these sources are insane...

[naruto zero]

This may be a little off topic, but I've had an idea buzzing around my head for a while.
I'll bet that the Fourth's TRUE last name is Uzumaki. I'll bet that the Uzumaki clan was either in trouble/hunted by/sought after by other ninja from other villages. I'll be that he changed his name to Kazama for some reason or another, and had to use his real name on the summoning scroll. And, since the Uzumaki name seems to have fallen into the background, Naruto was able to carry it without being in danger.
It may be a little odd, but I like the idea. I hope it's true!

hi im new here but thats not the point, i have a little thing to add mabe the fourth's wife had the last name of kazama so he took that chance to use her name so he would not get caught.