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#25821 Phantom_999

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 06:59 PM

And this is why I hate her character so much. She insults every other respectable anime girl in history. She is just so much trash and yet she is praised.

I don't get why this kitten is so popular. I never could get why this kitten was so popular. Every other story I see, people (Americans) hate the moe character because they see her as this "sex symbol" and they like the strong independant women instead because this way they are not defined by their looks or just to be a peice of meat for men. Hinata is pratically Naruto's slave and yet they love her more than anything. Why?

WHY?!

 

What the hell is so good about Hinata that she just defies all logic and is this beacon of "Women superiority?" That she is seen as this "strong" woman who defies all logic? It drives mad just how ridiculous and praised Hinata is for something she is clearly not. I swear I would give almost anything to understand why.

The only thing I can gather is that Hinata is only popular because she is in love with Naruto. No other reason.

 

Key word here: SEEN AS. She is NOT A STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMAN, deluded loonies want to SEE her as such. And once she got her fat sac inflation, Guys especially enjoyed imagining her giving their self insert Naruto a titty kitten. They are as blind to her faults as they are to Sakura's strengths. They see what they want to see,and their imagination runs wild from there. That is the best explanation I can give you


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 08:46 PM

I can't blame Hinata for any faults or her character issues, I lay it solely at the feet of Kishimoto. He did NOTHING with her. She was literally created to be a moe figurehead for the series and Naruto's wife/fangirl. I can't blame her for what the writer(s)did to her. He/They ruined so many characters simply by neglect or mishandling and have thus created this fracture in the fan base because of it. You have fans that hate Sakura, Sasuke, Naruto, and/or Hinata depending on their interests and preferences which is a shame and speaks even more to how badly they screwed this all up.

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#25823 StrikerTheNoble

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 08:53 PM

Would anyone else watch the kitten out of an Ichiraku ramen standalone cooking anime/manga?


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 09:38 PM

Would anyone else watch the kitten out of an Ichiraku ramen standalone cooking anime/manga?

Hell yeah! I'll watch almost anything besides this sh!it, you pretty much can't go any lower than Naruto/Burrito that's for sure  :roll: .


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#25825 StrikerTheNoble

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 09:55 PM

Hell yeah! I'll watch almost anything besides this sh!it, you pretty much can't go any lower than Naruto/Burrito that's for sure  :roll: .

Teuchi and Ayake. The only two people in the manga with intact characterisation.


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 10:16 PM

Teuchi and Ayake. The only two people in the manga with intact characterisation.

Ain't that something?! But who knows I wouldn't bet even on that at this point judging by the last chapter with Naruto eating instant ramen. I bet you in this sci-fi modern Burrito age they gonna make Teuchi and Ayame selling instant ramen instead of an genuine/original fresh ramen, that's how bad this sh!it has become you can't be certain even about the irrelevant characters.     


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 10:43 PM

Ain't that something?! But who knows I wouldn't bet even on that at this point judging by the last chapter with Naruto eating instant ramen. I bet you in this sci-fi modern Burrito age they gonna make Teuchi and Ayame selling instant ramen instead of an genuine/original fresh ramen, that's how bad this sh!it has become you can't be certain even about the irrelevant characters.     

I fear for this reality. The wiki states that at some point they did start serving instant ramen but in my heart I believe it just a cheap option on the menu. Their hearts are too pure for such villany.


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 10:47 PM

I can't blame Hinata for any faults or her character issues, I lay it solely at the feet of Kishimoto. He did NOTHING with her. She was literally created to be a moe figurehead for the series and Naruto's wife/fangirl. I can't blame her for what the writer(s)did to her. He/They ruined so many characters simply by neglect or mishandling and have thus created this fracture in the fan base because of it. You have fans that hate Sakura, Sasuke, Naruto, and/or Hinata depending on their interests and preferences which is a shame and speaks even more to how badly they screwed this all up.

 

Indeed, but we are not talking about victims or who is to blame for those faults.


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 10:58 PM

I fear for this reality. The wiki states that at some point they did start serving instant ramen but in my heart I believe it just a cheap option on the menu. Their hearts are too pure for such villany.

LOL!!! So I was somewhat right?!  :lmao:.  I don't usually trust wiki but I'm not surprised at all, for an authentic ramen shop like that its a disgrace to even put instant ramen on the menu and its so not Ichiraku's style. Anyways my point being that its that easy to predict how utterly twisted this series can get  :roll: .  


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 11:07 PM

LOL!!! So I was somewhat right?!  :lmao:.  I don't usually trust wiki but I'm not surprised at all, for an authentic ramen shop like that its a disgrace to even put instant ramen on the menu and its so not Ichiraku's style. Anyways my point being that its that easy to predict how utterly twisted this series can get  :roll: .  

I mean most of the ichiraku canon is from the anime... and that canon is slowly bleeding into regular canon. So if it has to come to that I chose to accept old Man Teuchi for the lovable kind soul he is as is daughter.

 

That said Ayake did some weird kitten buisness wise. Like selling the wildly sucessful diet ramen and replacing ramen with tsukemen for a bit. I`m not sure they would stoop so low as to serve lesser quality ramen especially after what appears to be Narutos one man campaign to get that man as much bussiness as he possibly can.


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 03:58 AM

Would anyone else watch the kitten out of an Ichiraku ramen standalone cooking anime/manga?

If it was well written.



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Posted 13 January 2018 - 03:58 AM

 

Key word here: SEEN AS. She is NOT A STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMAN, deluded loonies want to SEE her as such. And once she got her fat sac inflation, Guys especially enjoyed imagining her giving their self insert Naruto a titty f&%$. They are as blind to her faults as they are to Sakura's strengths. They see what they want to see,and their imagination runs wild from there. That is the best explanation I can give you

 

Bingo. And what's worse is that they're on the defensive. Hinata has been criticized over a number of things: she's not strong, her obsession with Naruto is unhealthy, social anxiety isn't cute irl so it's wrong for Naruto to present it as such, she's a bad mother, it's a bad marriage, she's a sexist caricature of a character and because of her lack of prominence there was little, if anything, to defend her with. Then when they character assassinated much of the cast in order to get her with Naruto, it was one more thing that went wrong for the franchise that people were criticizing. There is a lot of problems with what this story has become and Hinata-pandering is part of the problem.

 

So, they're pretty much cornered and what do cornered animals do? They fight back. They're stuck trying to defend this character with very little to actually go on, and what they do have falls apart under a little scrutiny, They can try to defend themselves with interviews, but Kishi has said many different things that contradict each other. The reaction to The Last blew up in their faces, and now they see Boruto struggling so they try to bring her out again to entice the fans only to find most of them already left in disgust. We are dealing with a zombie franchise right now, the Japanese equivalent of The Simpsons.


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 04:42 AM

When chapter 699 and 700 came this is what i want to say to Kishi :

 

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And now looking at The Last and Boruto , what a sad fate for such a once upon a time a great story , that has been ruin and destroyed by otakus higher ups and rabid fans.


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 05:27 AM

 

The thing about RtN Hinata is she's not that far removed from canon-Hinata deep down. Hinata ultimately has this possessiveness around Naruto, something I've described as her seeing him as moe. Like she doesn't acknowledge his strength, instead viewing him as the same loudmouth who never gave up in the academy. This is the mental image of him  that she idolizes, the failing student who refuses to give up while putting on a happy smile to cover his own sadness. In many ways Hinata fails to acknowledge how he's changed and instead looks down upon him, believing it her duty to defend him even from the criticisms of his children. Behind that shy exterior is someone who very much wants to push herself onto the sad little boy she wants to protect. She gets jealous of a scarf knitted by Naruto's dead mother for crying out loud!

 

RtN Hinata is a lot more open about it with her domineering nature. She is what is hidden underneath the underneath of Hinata.

 

 

That's actually very true, and I completely agree with you.  However, as an inspiring writer whose been working a book for the last 3 years, I fundamentally believe that a characters journey be it a lead or supporting character it's ultimately all up to the author. It's not just in books, but also in movie. One thing that always stood out to be was Carol not appearing in Star Trek Beyond like she had a pretty decent role in Star Trek into Darkness. There was some talks as to why she didn't show up, and Simon Preg brought up an interesting point. She wasn't in the movie because as far as the story goes she would've mainly been in the background and not have much to do in the story. She still exists in the JJ Star Trek Universe, She's just gonna be saved for future stories where she has a legit role. That really stood out to me, and I couldn't help but wonder why Hinata and especially Sakura got the treatment they got in Naruto. It's not because oh she's trash because all she thinks about is Naruto kun or she's trash because she's hardly relevent to the story. All of it traces back to the author because they are the ones who ultimately set the characters to that destination. 

 

People really need to understand that. I mean let's be honest if we look at the story of Naruto as a whole Hinata is a very bland character. She doesn't go through any emotional growth or significant character development throughout the story. You could've argued that with Sakura, but the ending of Naruto says otherwise which is sad unfortunately.  So let's look at RTN Hinata. I really what she had to offer for what she was given, yes like the canon hinata she didn't have much to do.  Though, her character always fascinated me because she had this aura that just stood out. Yes, I'll admit she's hot for sure, but that's not the key feature. It was the personality that RTN Hinata possessed. Like imagine if Road to Ninja wasn't just a movie, but an entire story arc in the context of the manga. If done properly, you could've seen their lifestyles like Shino with the Abarame Clan,  Choji with the Akamichi clan. Hinata and Neji interactions within the Hyuga Clan maybe with her father and her sister Hanabi.  It could've been possible yes, but that's that. 

 

 

Which kinda brings me to my final point of Hinata's role in the canon verse, and how she could've been a good character. Here is one way Kishi could've solved the whole situation with Hinata.  Her role in Part 1 was fine I don't think anything needs to be changed there.  Now Part II on the other hand there would have to be alot to convince me that not only Hinata is a good character, but also is compatible with Naruto.  In fact, my cousin and I had actually written out some notes on the side while we were working on Our Version of The Last Fanfic (which we've been meaning to get back to, timing on our ends have been rather tough with college, and mainly my novel for me atleast). 

 

 

Here it is: 

 

How to fix Hinata's character arc in Part II: 

 

-  Introduce Hinata as being able to comfortably talk with Naruto instead of hiding behind a tree, and pass out due to him surprising her. 

 

-  Showcase some inner jealousy towards Sakura as that is the girl he's been wanting. 

 

- At points (not all like 3 of 7 training segments ) Hinata trains with Naruto not only to help him get stronger, but also to see how far she's come. 

 

- An entire arc on the Hyuga Clan dedicated to her, Neji, Hiashi, and Hanabi within the manga. 

 

- As the canon love interest (can't believe I'm saying that) Hinata can cheer up Naruto at his low points or feeling down (ex. finding out about Jiraiya's death)  

 

-  Showcase the relationship between her sister and Neji in like small moments. 

 

 

Things Hinata can retain as a character, but still develop alot in Part II:  

 

-  Being Shy in terms of her feelings for Naruto, but overtime it progresses. 

 

-  Being Kind in terms with everyone she sees.

 

 

 

 

There might've been some things I'm missing, but I think had these particular things were within the story of Naruto, I think Hinata could've been a decent character, but that's not what we got. We got a bland character who we're suppose to believe has this chemistry with the main protagonist even though his eyes are dead set on someone else throughout the entirety of the story. 

 

 

Although, here's an interesting question my cousin also brought up to me,  let's pretend canon Part II Hinata never existed,   instead we got the RTN Hinata at the start of Part II? Would you have been fine with this? 

 

 

My answer to her was, It would definitely be intriguing, and showcase a change that could've worked for Hinata's character. That's about it. Whether or not it would make NaruHina a better pairing? Not sure if it would make it better, but I still think ultimately NaruSaku would take the cake for me.  That's pretty much all I got to say.  


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 09:31 AM

Teuchi and Ayake. The only two people in the manga with intact characterisation.

And also two characters who were there for Naruto overall long before Hinatatas.
 

 

And this is why I hate her character so much. She insults every other respectable anime girl in history. She is just so much trash and yet she is praised.

I don't get why this kitten is so popular. I never could get why this kitten was so popular. Every other story I see, people (Americans) hate the moe character because they see her as this "sex symbol" and they like the strong independant women instead because this way they are not defined by their looks or just to be a peice of meat for men. Hinata is pratically Naruto's slave and yet they love her more than anything. Why?

WHY?!

 

What the hell is so good about Hinata that she just defies all logic and is this beacon of "Women superiority?" That she is seen as this "strong" woman who defies all logic? It drives mad just how ridiculous and praised Hinata is for something she is clearly not. I swear I would give almost anything to understand why.

The only thing I can gather is that Hinata is only popular because she is in love with Naruto. No other reason.

Even long before the ending, I would raise a brow when I see people say how Hinatatas is their favorite character, and whenever I asked them why exactly, they could never give me a straight or true answer; just the same crap as they say today in that, "She's so strong!", "She's so nice to Naruto!", "She's so cute!", and when I press them for specifics, it usually boils down to, "Read the manga again! It's obvious!".
 

 

 

 

That's actually very true, and I completely agree with you.  However, as an inspiring writer whose been working a book for the last 3 years, I fundamentally believe that a characters journey be it a lead or supporting character it's ultimately all up to the author. It's not just in books, but also in movie. One thing that always stood out to be was Carol not appearing in Star Trek Beyond like she had a pretty decent role in Star Trek into Darkness. There was some talks as to why she didn't show up, and Simon Preg brought up an interesting point. She wasn't in the movie because as far as the story goes she would've mainly been in the background and not have much to do in the story. She still exists in the JJ Star Trek Universe, She's just gonna be saved for future stories where she has a legit role. That really stood out to me, and I couldn't help but wonder why Hinata and especially Sakura got the treatment they got in Naruto. It's not because oh she's trash because all she thinks about is Naruto kun or she's trash because she's hardly relevent to the story. All of it traces back to the author because they are the ones who ultimately set the characters to that destination. 

 

People really need to understand that. I mean let's be honest if we look at the story of Naruto as a whole Hinata is a very bland character. She doesn't go through any emotional growth or significant character development throughout the story. You could've argued that with Sakura, but the ending of Naruto says otherwise which is sad unfortunately.  So let's look at RTN Hinata. I really what she had to offer for what she was given, yes like the canon hinata she didn't have much to do.  Though, her character always fascinated me because she had this aura that just stood out. Yes, I'll admit she's hot for sure, but that's not the key feature. It was the personality that RTN Hinata possessed. Like imagine if Road to Ninja wasn't just a movie, but an entire story arc in the context of the manga. If done properly, you could've seen their lifestyles like Shino with the Abarame Clan,  Choji with the Akamichi clan. Hinata and Neji interactions within the Hyuga Clan maybe with her father and her sister Hanabi.  It could've been possible yes, but that's that. 

 

 

Which kinda brings me to my final point of Hinata's role in the canon verse, and how she could've been a good character. Here is one way Kishi could've solved the whole situation with Hinata.  Her role in Part 1 was fine I don't think anything needs to be changed there.  Now Part II on the other hand there would have to be alot to convince me that not only Hinata is a good character, but also is compatible with Naruto.  In fact, my cousin and I had actually written out some notes on the side while we were working on Our Version of The Last Fanfic (which we've been meaning to get back to, timing on our ends have been rather tough with college, and mainly my novel for me atleast). 

 

 

Here it is: 

 

How to fix Hinata's character arc in Part II: 

 

-  Introduce Hinata as being able to comfortably talk with Naruto instead of hiding behind a tree, and pass out due to him surprising her. 

 

-  Showcase some inner jealousy towards Sakura as that is the girl he's been wanting. 

 

- At points (not all like 3 of 7 training segments ) Hinata trains with Naruto not only to help him get stronger, but also to see how far she's come. 

 

- An entire arc on the Hyuga Clan dedicated to her, Neji, Hiashi, and Hanabi within the manga. 

 

- As the canon love interest (can't believe I'm saying that) Hinata can cheer up Naruto at his low points or feeling down (ex. finding out about Jiraiya's death)  

 

-  Showcase the relationship between her sister and Neji in like small moments. 

 

 

Things Hinata can retain as a character, but still develop alot in Part II:  

 

-  Being Shy in terms of her feelings for Naruto, but overtime it progresses. 

 

-  Being Kind in terms with everyone she sees.

 

 

 

 

There might've been some things I'm missing, but I think had these particular things were within the story of Naruto, I think Hinata could've been a decent character, but that's not what we got. We got a bland character who we're suppose to believe has this chemistry with the main protagonist even though his eyes are dead set on someone else throughout the entirety of the story. 

 

 

Although, here's an interesting question my cousin also brought up to me,  let's pretend canon Part II Hinata never existed,   instead we got the RTN Hinata at the start of Part II? Would you have been fine with this? 

 

 

My answer to her was, It would definitely be intriguing, and showcase a change that could've worked for Hinata's character. That's about it. Whether or not it would make NaruHina a better pairing? Not sure if it would make it better, but I still think ultimately NaruSaku would take the cake for me.  That's pretty much all I got to say.  

It only further shows what nonsense the "it was planned from the beginning" excuse is. It's lose-lose for them. If they come out and admit that it was never planned and only done near the end, obviously, it shows they completely lied to the fan base and caused the fall of the franchise, and if they continue to try to say it was planned from the beginning, then it shows how much of a hack Kishi is. "Not good at writing romance" isn't an excuse for a COMPLETE lack of ANY character development, period. Hinatata's character development and "romance" DO NOT automatically go hand in hand.


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 09:52 AM

I mean most of the ichiraku canon is from the anime... and that canon is slowly bleeding into regular canon. So if it has to come to that I chose to accept old Man Teuchi for the lovable kind soul he is as is daughter.

 

That said Ayake did some weird kitten buisness wise. Like selling the wildly sucessful diet ramen and replacing ramen with tsukemen for a bit. I`m not sure they would stoop so low as to serve lesser quality ramen especially after what appears to be Narutos one man campaign to get that man as much bussiness as he possibly can.

I know what you mean. but that's the thing you can't differentiate anymore between the canon and the anime bc as you said they started to blend in long time ago, and its apparent bc of the fact that the rotten author had to draw a scene (Sakura & the infamous letter nin) for the sake of an anime filler I mean how fuked up is that?! 

 

LOL When did this happened? Wait was this a P1 filler? I think I remember something like this but its foggy  :sweat: . But yeah you're right its weird it makes no sense to replace it as a whole, I would understand if they simply put it in the menu if the quality is good unlike instant ramen but its not in the spirit of Ichiraku as we know.     


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 06:15 PM

I have no idea when... i think ppst shippuden sometimes...

Also. It fills me with glee the idea that some day in the future a group of students will study the work of Naruto in their literature class. And the students shall argue if the endgame pairings make sense or not and the flames of the shipping war shall reignite once again. We shall rise once more.

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 06:58 PM

I have no idea when... i think ppst shippuden sometimes...

Also. It fills me with glee the idea that some day in the future a group of students will study the work of Naruto in their literature class. And the students shall argue if the endgame pairings make sense or not and the flames of the shipping war shall reignite once again. We shall rise once more.

I see, well anyways I dropped the anime after the Pain arc so I don't think its the same one  :headscratch: .

 

:wot: Dear Lord No!!! If something like that happens I wish I was a senile old man  :argh:. I just wish that this whole series can fade away from existence.  


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Posted 14 January 2018 - 12:18 AM

I see, well anyways I dropped the anime after the Pain arc so I don't think its the same one  :headscratch: .

 

:wot: Dear Lord No!!! If something like that happens I wish I was a senile old man  :argh:. I just wish that this whole series can fade away from existence.  

Litterature is funny that way... you just never know what will end up sticking as the example of a genre.

 

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 12:30 AM

When chapter 699 and 700 came this is what i want to say to Kishi :

 

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And now looking at The Last and Boruto , what a sad fate for such a once upon a time a great story , that has been ruin and destroyed by otakus higher ups and rabid fans.

 

Also kishis poor writing ability and not caring much for the main character to develop instead he relapse all the time. Same could be said for sakura cant write a proper herione without being sexist and making sakura look weak and trophy wife to be earned.

 

When i look back at the series now, i think the series was always meant to be doomed kishi depends to much for editors help and can't write that good without screwing things up.







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