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#21 Freakazoid

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 08:09 PM

Given most translator's view on the pairings in Naruto as well, we can probably expect much to be downplayed.

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 08:11 PM

QUOTE (Freakazoid @ Jul 28 2009, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Given most translator's view on the pairings in Naruto as well, we can probably expect much to be downplayed.


Or see another angry comment? :zaru

Edited by Cloud, 28 July 2009 - 08:11 PM.


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Posted 28 July 2009 - 08:12 PM

QUOTE (Cloud @ Jul 28 2009, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Or see another angry comment? :zaru

Ugh, I hope not. That last one was just beyond pathetic facepalm.png

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 08:17 PM

QUOTE (RyrineaHaruno @ Jul 28 2009, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They are to jumbled to the point they seem fake to me... I would have thought he would show Sai and Sakura talk this week at least. Here hoping next chapter we see them talk..."


They always seem fake to you.

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This is only a fraction of the spoiler, I'm sure Nja just gave us a brief taste and will post the rest up later.

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 08:22 PM

We might get a conversation between them about Naruto but not in the way you might think. It might be a flash back in much the same way that Sai asking naruto about Sakura was.

Sakura may find Naruto and or Sasuke and in the process of confronting one or the other Sais conversation with her may come back as a flash back that helps her make her mind up.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 10:38 PM

QUOTE (catsi563 @ Jul 28 2009, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We might get a conversation between them about Naruto but not in the way you might think. It might be a flash back in much the same way that Sai asking naruto about Sakura was.

Sakura may find Naruto and or Sasuke and in the process of confronting one or the other Sais conversation with her may come back as a flash back that helps her make her mind up.



You deserve a cookie for that one. Geez it's almost as if you are the flippin' creator of Naruto. You always have great ideas.

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 02:15 AM

I'm kinda hoping it is just a quick flash-back with Sai smiling and saying something like "You know...Naruto said almost the same thing" (pertaining to the flash-back in 457). I love those kinds of quick moments happy.gif

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 02:00 PM

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People seem to think this person's spoiler is correct. Said he gave a correct summary last week

by id: GYq76wv70
四代目水影の名前はやぐら
3尾の人中力にそっくり左目の下から頬にかけて縫い跡
あと前にでてたか知らないけどガアラの前任の風影の顔もでてる(ガアラに似てるけど父親だったっけ?)
あと終わりにサクラとサイの会話

サイとサクラ
ナルトがサスケを売らなかったことを話し、サクラとナルトの約束がどんななのかは知らないけど、
ナルトが本当にサクラのことを好きなのは自分にもわかると言うとサクラが今までのことを思いだし泣き出す
さらにサイはナルトがサクラの約束をずっと背負っていて、一生背負う気でいるようだった、
ナルトとどういう約束をしたかは知らないけど、それはまるでボクがされてるのとものと同じ呪印のようだ、
ナルトを苦しめてるのはサスケだけど、サクラもなんじゃないのかい?と問うて終わり。

Basically it confirms what nja said, says the Yondaime Mizukage's name is Yagura (one Japanese commenter wonders if he's also the Sanbi jinchuuriki since that's supposed to be his name) , says the Sanbi jinchuuriki (they used incorrect spelling/kanji here) had some marking starting from underneath his left eye to his cheek, talks about a picture shown of a former Kazekage (presumably Gaara's dad), and that a Sai/Sakura talk happens after the Kage part (insert rolling eyes here). Sai talks about how he doesn't know what type of promise Naruto made to Sakura, but that she should already know how much he likes her. To which Sakura replies when she thinks about it she bursts out and cries. Sai says some more stuff designed to make Sakura think about it.

Anyway I'm not posting this in the spoiler thread, nor do I want it posted there since it's best to wait for Ohana, but just wanted to let you guys know what was going on in the Japanese board.

Edited by Hysteria, 29 July 2009 - 02:01 PM.


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Posted 29 July 2009 - 02:14 PM

BWAHHHHHHH! No Sai and Sakura chat? Geez, its probably going to end up being a talk about a mission or somthing knowing Kishimoto. sad.gif


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Posted 29 July 2009 - 02:43 PM

Spoiler Text is out, just waiting for translations...

458 Japanese Text --Click here to view--
1st part
458 五影の大論戦…!!

口火を切ったのはガアラ

ガアラ『オレから話す 聞け』
土影『ずいぶんと五影も様変わりしたの その歳で影を名乗るとは
大したもんじゃぜ 風影殿よ オヤジさんの指導がさぞ素晴らしかったようじゃが
礼儀はしつけられてないようじゃな』
ガ『だろうな…だから風影としてここにいる』
土『ガハハハなまいきな奴じゃぜ!!』
水影『土影様チャチャをいれないでください 風影様続けて…』
ガ『…オレは元人柱力だ ”暁”に拘束され 尾獣を抜かれ殺されかけもした』

会談を隙間から見ている テマリ カンクロウ
カンクロウ(何だあの土影ってのは!)
テマリ(静かにしろ)

ガ『だからこそ”暁”が極めて危険な存在であると考えている
オレは何度も五影に協力を求めたが無視されてきた
…前火影以外はな そもそもここまでひと柱力を奪われておいて
協力するのが遅すぎる』
土『フン… 五大国の隠れ里が人柱力を奪われたとあっては他国に示しがつかん!
大恥じゃぜ! 秘密裏に回収するのが常識じゃぜ 奪われた時点で他国に
協力など求めるハズがないわい!!』

黙って聞いてる 赤土 黒土

ガ『体裁… 面目… くだらぬ古い考えだ』
土(フン…若造が…)

2nd part
595 :ohana ◆luR4HO8C2g :2009/07/29(水) 23:17:26 ID:mfxe1ptu0
水『尾獣が奪われたからといって それがすぐ恐怖につながる訳ではありません
コントロールには技術と知識・時間が必要ですから』
土『人柱力は尾獣と共に成長し 順応させる必要がある
それでもコントロールは難しい…おいそれとはいかん…
なぁ…そうじゃろ風影殿よ』
ガ『…』
ダンゾウ『そもそも尾獣を本当の意味でコントロールできたのは
かつての うちはマダラと初代火影桂間… それに四代目水影の
やぐら  …雷影殿の弟キラービーくらいだった だが…』

フートルネ。青、長十郎 反応すると

雷影が机を叩き割る
雷『ぐだぐだと いいかげんにしろ!!』
たたき割ると同時に フートルネ。青、長十朗。テマリ、カンクロウ。赤黒土
雷影お付きとダルイ
動く。(雷影の騒ぎを止める)
雷影お付きは、他のお付きを止める。この時点で、カンクロウのカラクリ見える

ミフネ『ここは話し合いの場でござる 礼を欠いた行動は慎んでもらいたい』
ダ『下がれ フートルネ』
ガ『お前等もだ カンクロウ テマリ』
水『青 長十朗 大丈夫よ…』
土は、赤黒に首で合図

雷『…木の葉!岩!砂!霧! お前らの里の抜け忍で構成されとるのが
”暁”だ! それだけではないぞ!! 前任者の影も含めた お前らの中には
”暁”を利用してきた者がおる事も調べはついとる!!』
ガ『利用してきた…?』
雷『ワシはお前らを信用しておらん! 話し合いすらする気もなかった!
だがワシがここへきて 五影を召集したのは いいかげんお前らの
信義を問うためだ!!』
ガ『利用してきたとはどうゆうことだ!?』
雷『風影のくせに何も知らされてないのか!自里の じじい共に聞いてみろ!
お前らは かつて戦争に”暁”を利用してきた!』
土『…』

3rd part
ohana ◆luR4HO8C2g :2009/07/29(水) 23:18:17 ID:mfxe1ptu0
土『今や大国は一様に安定してきた…軍拡から軍縮へと移行しとる
各国間の緊張緩和で戦争の脅威が小さくなれば 国にとって軍事力である里は
金食い虫の邪魔な存在じゃ… かと言ってじゃぜ それはリスクでもある
突然戦争になってみろ!実戦経験のない忍びに頼るには問題があるじゃろ
それじゃ戦争に負ける』
ガ『そのリスクを回避する一つの方法が戦闘傭兵集団…”暁”だったという事か』
土『自里で優秀な忍びを育成するには手間と金がかかるが 戦争を生業としている
”暁”は常に現役のプロ集団 しかし安い金で戦争を請け負う その上最高の結果を
もたらしてくれたからのう』
雷『開き直るな土影!』
土『フン!』
雷『砂は”暁”を利用し木の葉崩しに利用した 大蛇丸だ…!その時”暁”を
抜けていたかどうかは定かではないが! それで風影と火影の前任者が死んだ』
雷『…これが誰かの画策である可能性も捨てがたいがな』
ダンゾウのほうを見る雷

雷(…古狸が…)
雷『一番怪しいのは霧隠れだ!!お前ら霧は外交しない…”暁”発生の地との噂もある!!』
水『…』

水『ここまできたので正直に言います…』
青(まさか五代目は あの事を…!)
水『先代…四代目水影は何者かに操られていたのではないかという疑いがありました…
それが”暁”の可能性もあった… だから事を大げさにはしたくなかった…』
雷『どいつもこいつも…!!』
土(…!!)

4th part
:ohana ◆luR4HO8C2g :2009/07/29(水) 23:19:05 ID:mfxe1ptu0
土『口を慎め雷影!そもそも この軍縮の時代に お前らがなりふりかまわず
力を求めて忍術を集めよるから… 対抗するために”暁”を雇わざる得んようになったんじゃぜ』
雷『何だと!!』
ダ『…立場の事で言い争う前に 先ほど言おうとしたことを皆に伝えたい…』
雷『何だ!?』
ダ『”暁”のリーダーは おそらく うちはマダラだ』

土、雷、風、水 !?

土『おやつは とっくに死んどるハズじゃぜ…!?』
ダ『ワシもよくは分からん…ただ かなり確かな情報だ』
土『まさか本当のバケモノだったとはのう…』

ミフネ『中立国の長の立場から言わせていただこう ”暁”のリーダーは時代の流れを
読んでいた… 国々の安定…そして国々の不信感のスキを突き力の拡大を計った…
このままでは鉄の国も… しかし災い転じて福となす…五影が全員揃う事も滅多にある事ではない
どうであろう”暁”を処理するまでの間… 世界初の五大隠れ里…忍連合軍をつくってみては』
雷『連合軍だと!?』
ダ『…いい案だ 今は非常事態に等しい協力こそが必要だ』(…いい流れだ)
ミフネ『指揮系統は統一するのが望ましい これ以上混乱は避けねばならぬ』
土『で…問題は連合軍の権限を誰に託すかじゃが…』
ミフネ『あなた方だけでは揉め事になる…それゆえ中立国の拙者の立場を尊重して頂いた上で
拙者が提案したい この五影の中で誰が適任なのか』

ダ(これでツナデの時代が終わった)

final part
さくらテント

サクラ『ナルトが…!』
サイ『そう…サスケを庇うためにね 体中ボロボロで…でも絶対サスケを売らなかった
それに…君を心配させまいと この事はサクラには黙っておけって…』
サクラ『…』
サクラ(ナルト…)
サイ『今は雷影にサスケの事を許してもらうために行ったよ…おそらく無理だろうけど…』
シズネ『そんな無茶な事どうして?カカシさんが付いていながら』
サイ『カカシ先生はナルトを信じてるから たとえ無理だとしてもチャンスは作ってあげたいんだ と思う』
シズネ、寝てるツナデを見る
サイ『ボクは最近サスケの代わりにカカシ班に配属された だからカカシ班の事は
まだよく分からないし… …人の感情もよく分からない』

サイ、ナルトとの会話を思い出す
ナルト(…ンなもんできっかよ 約束も守れねェ男がよ…)
サイ『…それに君とナルトの約束も知らない…』
サクラ『…!』
サクラ約束を思い出す
(ナルト…私の一生の……お願い サスケくんをサスケくんを連れ戻して)
サイ『けど…ナルトはあ君の事が本当に好きだって事ぐらい――
このボクだって分かる!!』
サクラ ハッとする『…!!』

サクラ回想
小さいナルト サクラちゃんはサスケが大好きだからなぁ…
サクラ目に涙 ジワ…
小さいナルト 今サクラちゃんがホントに苦しんでるって事は痛いほど分かるってばよ…
 サスケはぜってーオレが連れて帰る! 一生の焼いう即だってばよ!!
サクラの目に涙が溢れる
小さいナルト …サクラちゃん!オレ… 約束は絶対守るってばよ
まっすぐ自分の言葉は曲げねェ それがオレの忍道だからよ…
サクラ『うっ…うっ…』
ボロボロに泣く

シズネ『サクラ…』
サクラ『う…』
サイ『ナルトは君との約束をずっと背負ってるようだった…一生背負う気でいるみたいだった
君がナルトに何を言ったかは知らない…でもそれはまるでボクがされているものと同じ…
呪印のように感じた』
ハッとするサクラ
サイ『ナルトを苦しめてるのはサスケだけど…   君もなんじゃないのかい?』

ガーンとした顔のサクラ

会談に戻る
ミフネ『今や人柱力は木の葉ぼ九尾だけだ…それをどう導くかがカギとなろう…
火影に忍連合軍の大権を任せてみてはいかがか?』

ガ『…』
雷『何だと!?』
土『なっ!?』

会談は修羅場へ…!?

終わり
サーセイ★


So yes, that little summary Hysteria posted is pretty much confirmed.

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 02:50 PM

OMG, so if Hysterias spoiler is correct, then there is a talk between Sai and Sakura about Naruto's feelings for her. And she cries! Or she says that it makes her cry? Whatever.
Wow. This is going to be great. tongue.gif

Edited by Gaara, 29 July 2009 - 02:52 PM.


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Posted 29 July 2009 - 02:52 PM

First part translated:

458 The great debate of the five kage

Gaara: I will talk, listen
Earth: The five kages have changed a lot, if you can be a kage so young. Kazekage, your father was a wonderful leader, but he seems not to have taught you manners. (Ain't that the truth)
Gaara: probably... That's why I am the Kazekage here
Earth: Gwa ha ha ha, cheeky fellow!!
Water: Tsuchikage-sama, do not interrupt. Please go on, Kazekage-sama
Gaara: I'm a former Jinchuuriki. I was abducted by Akatsuki and almost killed when they extracted the bijuu.

Temari, Kankurou are looking in the conversation
Kankurou: What's with the Tsuchikage!
Temari: Be quiet

Gaara: That's why, thinking of the extreme threat posed by Akatsuki, I made many requests for the five kage to collaborate, but I was ignored. ...Apart from the former Hokage. Now that Jinchuuriki have been taken, it is too late to collaborate.
Earth: Huh... The Jinchuuriki of the hidden villages of the five great countries have been taken. What would it show to other countries is they knew. We would be ashamed! It is common sense to keep our secrets. Now that they have been taken, the assistance of other countries cannot be counted on!!

Gaara: Keeping appearances... Honor... That is stupid ancient thinking
Earth: (huh... What a brat...)


Oh, BTW pics are up already at MH

Edited by Newkerz, 29 July 2009 - 02:56 PM.

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 02:52 PM

I'm all confused! I've read so many different spoilers for this chat that my brain is going on meltdown.

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 03:01 PM

The Ball is in your court Sakura, make the right choice wink.gif

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 03:06 PM

We have a rough translation of the first part of the Sai Sakura talk.

QUOTE (Louchan)
I've started to translate the Sai/Sakura talk.
Here's the first half of it.

Sakura: Naruto was...!
Sai: Right... For the sake of protecting Sasuke he got all beat up like that... but he still refused to sell out Sasuke. Also... for the sake of not ---- you, he decided to stay quiet about this to you.
Sakura: ... (Naruto...)
Sai: Today he left in order to persuade the Raikage into forgiving Sasuke... but I fear that that it was no use.
Shizune: Why would he do something so reckless? Kakashi-san is ----.
Sai: It's because Kakashi-sensei belives in Naruto. Even if it was useless I think he wanted to give it a chance.
Shizune looks at the resting Tsunade.
Sai: I was originally placed in Team Kakashi as Sasuke's substitute so I still don't know much about Kakashi-sensei... I also don't know much about people's feelings.
Sai has a flashback about Naruto.
(Naruto: Like I can do that... I'm a man who couldn't even keep his promises...)
Sai: ... And I still don't know all about you and Naruto...
Sakura: ...!
Sakura has a flashback.
(Naruto... my one wish... please, bring Sasuke-kun... bring Sasuke-kun back!)
Sai: But still... how much Naruto really loves you, even I can understand!!
Sakura is shocked.
Sakura: ...!!

I'll get on with the rest soon.

Edited by Nick Soapdish, 29 July 2009 - 03:06 PM.


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Posted 29 July 2009 - 03:13 PM

QUOTE (Hysteria @ Jul 29 2009, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

THE SAI SAKURA CHAT!!!! whatthekitten.gif So cute! Sai did end up mentioning Naruto's feelings for Sakura, and Sakura starting crying! Is that wrong that I see that as a positive sign for NS??

Yay for Gaara putting down thte old outdated ways and not being afraid to speak his mind (he's as blunt as he ever was, bless his heart :teehee:)

EDIT: @ NIck -> Did Sai really use the word love?! eager.gif

HOLY kitten - I just looked at the spoiler pics - DOES KANKURO HAVE SASORI AS A PUPPET?!?!?! th_confused0089.gif

Edited by Paptala, 29 July 2009 - 03:18 PM.

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 03:18 PM

QUOTE (Nick Soapdish @ Jul 29 2009, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We have a rough translation of the first part of the Sai Sakura talk.


HOLY kitten. Yes. Finally. wub.gif

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 03:27 PM

Here's part two of the Sai/Sakrua discussion.

QUOTE
Sakura has a flashback.
Little Naruto: Sakura-chan, you really like Sasuke huh...
Sakura gets tears in her eyes.
Little Naruto: I know how much you really are suffering right now, so much that it hurts... I'll definitely bring Sasuke back! It's the promise of a lifetime!
Sakura starts crying.
Little Naruto: ... Sakura-chan! I'll... I'll definitely keep my promise! I never go back on my words, because that's my nindo...
Sakura: Uuh... uuh...
She's really crying.
Shizune: Sakura...
Sakura: Uu...
Sai: Naruto has always --- his promise with you... --------- I don't know what it is that you said to him... but it's like it's the same as that which I ------... -------. {Ugh, sorry... but I have no idea what's being said here. }
Sakura is surprised. {Not sure here either.}
Sai: The one who's making Naruto suffer is Sasuke but... but isn't it you as well? {Whether he's accusing her of making Naruto suffer or whether he's implying that she's suffering as well, I'm not sure.}
Sakura makes a shocked expression.


And Patpala, Sai says "hounto ni suki", which is really like, or really love, totally dependent on context.

Edited by TwilightLink20xx, 29 July 2009 - 03:27 PM.


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Posted 29 July 2009 - 03:28 PM

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the second one looks really interesting.. any clue who they are attacking??

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 03:31 PM

Yeah I was wondering who they were attacking as well. If that is what's going on.




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