Don-kun

You know lately I'm starting to wonder if this IT is nothing more than an Illusion that gives you everything you want but the only requirement to free yuerself from it just like in RTN you need to accept that they are other things that matter in life for example Tsunade still wants to live a life where Nawaki is alive and Dan is an Hokage, Ino and her popularity desire, Kiba and his Hokage dream, Hinata and her feelings that only Naruto Matters, etc.

Maybe on wrong but lately I being having these thoughts a lot.

One word of advise. Kishi doesn't give a damn about development Sasuke/Naruto, Kakashi/Obito and 687 Naruto/Obito relationship should be a good example of anything this man feels is Okay is what going to take place. Honestly am all for NS but I will hate to see the day NS is not the end pairing because the amount of brain damage I will see on this site will be too hard to read others post. Not too long ago people were all freak out because of an AU cover and why I believe that happen is because most only see the SS and NH side as delusionals fans who Mr. Kishi just keep trolling when we ourselver are also being trolled by this same guy.

Whe can love NS but the cockiness towards the other fandom is too much to a piont where it's even greater than our support towards NS.

NS makes 1.000.000.000 times more sense than NH and SS but this manga stop making sense a long time a go and Kishi well I don't want to elaborate about him at this time.

Funny enough, the drama is actually not that bad of an idea. My biggest issue is its execution and I think this is where Kishi dropped the ball on it. The idea of Sakura feeling hurtful over Sasuke is just I feel should have happened earlier in the manga. That should have all took place during the Kage Summit Arc where it was the opportune time to display that.

Is like after he tried to kill you two time you're just noticing that he doesn't care about you. I don't care but it fills force as hell.

And again this is why we get angry and want to drop the manga the moment Sakura does something that doesn't makes sense.
The moment Sakura show us that she no longer loves Sasuke that will be the moment SS will be dead, there is no blinder fans than the ones who believes Sasuke loves Sakura with out it been shown and guess what the same thing apply to those NS fans who believes Sakura completely move on from Sasuke without any comfirmation.

Sexiest? Well, I'd probably think so if I swung that way, but still, I can't deny then guy isn't bad looking.

Oh. You meant sexist.

Bad English Sorry I meant Sexist as hell am starting to really hate the way the writes and worst the way he handle females characters.

My 682 prediction :
 
- More history lesson from Black Zetsu-Sensei (1 or 2 chapters more from the history book)
 
- Narusasu in action (fights a little bit more)
 
- "That" Jutsu was used
 
- Sealing failed
 
- Sakura is healing Obito
 
- Kakashi tells the back story of Obito and Rin (More flashback)
 
- Sakura's in the beginning of her resolve (Sakura's moment, more flashback)

OK Kishi you hear her don't nèed to look any farther than this.

I slap him and then tell him to stop acting like a child.

I know I've seen almost every argument out there. Most recent one is that Sasuke actually saved both Sakura and Kakashi because he truly cares about them, and what he said in the previous chapter is because he doesn't really what to admit it. He's hiding his true feelings.

 

 

I swear if we ever see Sasuke cutting Sakura's head off, people will still find a way to turn it into a positive way.

So what's the point of having Sasuke insult Sakura the way he does, they want to call him Tsundare but like all Tsundares when teased about someone they like they will say something mean to deflect the accusation but Sasuke was never teased, he was never provoked by anyone he just insulted her for no damn reason so how that can be translated to Sasuke loving her, this just shows SS as a terrible reading comprehension.

 

 

Sasuke knows Sakura can use regeneration to put her body back together, believe it or not I actually saw a SS shipper using this as an legit argument.

I don't even know what box you're referring to. I'm not loyal to any argument I make I just have yet to hear an argument that contradicts it.

The reason why I will not try to contradict what you said is because many readers dislike NS and Sakura for the same reason, people usually don't tent to judge NS because of Naruto most of the displease from females and males readers are because of Sakura so I will not try or even waste my time trying to change their opinions unless they are using false statement or they just keep bashing Sakura on this site every chance they get.

 

But what I definitely disagree with you for and is not just now I felt this way for months it's because despite your frustration something everyone is allow to enter at any giving time you tend to abuse of that frustration and just make the environment  more negative each time you post.

I wasn't able to fallow the topic and give my thoughts when I was working but I could read many of your post and most if not all were negative, but now that am currently on vacations who by the way happen to end in 5 days I'been able to see how you spread your negativism even more, like I say everyone is entitle to their own opinion but when a person just keep pushing his disappointment on others repeatedly for months then that becomes a problem for everyone else.

Yep, the fact is that Kishimoto handled it poorly, Naruto and Sakura views were that Sasuke was a victim and was being manipuled by Orochimaru although he was never manipuled by Orochimaru but in reality he ended up using Orochimaru.
Then comes the "comradship", Naruto and Sakura used their connections (Tsunade) to prevent Sasuke from being targeted as a nukenin despite being one.
Sai is punched in the face by Sakura because he calls him a traitor(which he was).
Sasuke's motives and the way he behaved was never from someome who was a victim or a prisoner of hatred like Naruto uses to claim.
Kishimoto showed Sasuke as a man that chose revenge over his friends and is willing to sacrifice everything in order to achieve it even his former friends and from Naruto's perspective he's the innocent, the victim that needs to be saved.

The resut is anticlimatic scenes where Naruto tells Sasuke he will save him like on tthe summit and my reaction was "WTF".

@NarutoFireFoxUzumaki
THe proof is on the same chapter you bring the panel when Sasuke saves Karin, the second is on the summit before Sasuke becomes blind and the former after Sasuke ressurrects Orochimaru and they go to the village.
That's all.

Not only you Sasuke ask the same question.

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I feel Sasuke should also die but if he does I want him to die an heroic way like using his Rinigan to bring back everyone's back to life, so Naruto's endless chase and promise to save his friend does not look like wasted panels and character development, at lease for me that would be a genuine way to pay for his mistake.

 

Oh I also know many users will hate if this happen since most hate what Pain did with the Konoha people.

That right there is the crux of it all. 

Sasuke should have just been left alone like he wanted. Instead Naruto and Sakura just keep harassing him with things he obviously doesn't want. Thats not being a good friend, its being annoying. 

Naruto needs to learn to leave people alone when they want to be left alone, Sakura needs to learn to leave people alone who don't want to be bothered, and Sasuke just needs to get over himself. 

Like I told Dark before, what Naruto doing is something a friend will do for another friend the problem is that Kishi went way to far too damn far; he made Sasuke get away with too many things but them you have Naruto always trying to correct others with his savior personality and telling other or wrong they are but when it comes to Sasuke he becomes a wimp and he plays blind eye to what Sasuke does and Sakura he makes her a depressed freak who becomes very submissive and weak around Sasuke.

 

Saving a friend is something Natural in many story but in Kishi's story saving a friend is so freaking wrong because it strip the heroes from their personality takes away their backbone, their dignity, makes them obsessive, hypocrites and worst the person they are trying to save doesn't gave a sh** about them and feels no regret or remorse for what they did, this is how terrible Kishi is as an Author.

 

 

 

Sorry about the double post.

@BakeNeko-Chan

Like you I also believe that what is holding Sakura from being honest with her feeling towards Naruto has something to do with her not feeling deserved of his affection and to some point knowing how Hinata feels about Naruto something we know Sakura was not happy about, this might sound stp** to others but I will even say that at this point Sakura might see Sasuke has the 2nd best because she would not let her self be with the one she really wants to be with.

The genuine affection Sakura has displayed toward Naruto has never being that emphasized toward another character including Sasuke, Sai notice it, Yamato noticed it, 680 we saw her reaction when Naruto said that he understand Sasuke, chapter 236, that fond smile she reserves for Naruto and Naruto only those are some of the many examples we have gotten so far while reading this Manga.

More forgiveness does not equal UNLIMITED forgiveness. It does not mean no consequences or suffering for ones actions. 

Where are Sasuke's consequences? Obito's? Orochimaru's? I don't see any. What I do see, is a story telling people to be terrible friends and human beings, but its fine if that have a sad pass because they should expect to be forgiven even without making steps to work for it, or even WANT forgiveness. 

That tells good people they shouldn't bother being good, because being bad is easier and you get more out of it. 

So again its a  HORRIBLE MORAL because there are people who cannot be reasoned with. Society is full of them. How many people do you think have tried reasoning with their murderer/rapist/torturer/abuser/bully? A hell of a lot, and it did very little good for the vast majority of them. 

Kishi hasn't stretched the Nakama theme he's obliterated it when it comes to Sasuke. There is hardly any development it feels more like he's trying to pigeon hole Sasuke into Naruto and Team 7's lives. He's a completely unlikable guy- if you knew him in real life how many of us would ACTUALLY want to be anywhere near him? 

What positive thing does he bring to them emotionally or mentally? Nothing. its not healthy, its not even likable.  

That whole "Crazy with love" BS is exactly why Sasuke should be left alone like he wants to be and certainly not reproduce. If being in love turns Uchiha's into psycho's its better that they DON'T get close to people. I would call it preventative care. It really feels like that was just thrown in there as an hall pass for Sasuke and its awful. 

I can suspend my disbelief for a lot of things, but their relationship with Sasuke is not organic. Kishimoto's writing on that front is so lacking its not even funny. 

The Quote of the week.

 

I will always be amazed by all the excuses that are made towards Sasuke character, I know some people like bad character and to me that's fine under a fictional story but when people start trying to justifying the bad person actions is where I kind of find it disturbing.

In all truth the Uchiha race no matter how you look on it as being nothing but fight and war and it all started with the first person who inherit the ocular power then fallow by the rest of the Uchihas race, sadly the only person who was able to see that is the one person that is accused for what Sasuke has become when Sasuke had the love of an entire Village and was given a choice something the  others didn't have, even Madara wanted to make amen to his past but he was disliked by the Village and his own people but don't get me wrong because with all that said I will still give Madara, Nagato, Orochimaru, Kabuto and Obito a life sentence without freedom, execution, electric chair or gas chamber.

Now lets compare then to Sasuke whose life's as being noting but the desire for revenge despite having the love of an entire village and friend who loved him and would go to the end of the world for him, but what he did in return try to kill them try to destroy there village become and international criminal and when that mentality changed he still kept hurting the ones who loves him, compare that to Naruto who grow up with an entire Village hating him.
Seeing how Sasuke having a brother who kept pushing him to revenging because he loved him and wanted to see him become a hero in contrast to a Kurama who kept influencing Naruto to become an evil person nd am sure we all know what a bad influence frond a Jinchuuriki can do to a persons mind quick example early Gaara.

So to judge Sasuke all I need to compare Naruto's life vs Sasuke's own to make up my mind on why Sasuke will never be redeemed in my eyes.

If the pairing of my choice does not happen I would be disappointed, but my feelings towards NH and SS or one of these two pairing happening without the other would increase my disappointment to a level where it could not be measure. I believe Hinata is too damn selfish and she has disregarded every single person around her to favor her love for Naruto even when Neji die all her thoughts was about Narutos big strong hand and her fans I don't think I need to elaborate on this.

Sasuke My God this guy have such and awful personality towards the people who always cared about him and love him, he has done too much wrong to a point where no matter how much good Kishi force on his readers he will never be redeemed in my eyes and worst be a boyfriend material for any of the named females he had contact with. Sasuke has done too much wrong to a point where he deserve no one or a no name character.

 

Just to make myself clear if what I like does not happen I would be sad but as long as Naruto ends with anyone that is not Hinata and Sakura ends with anyone that is not Sasuke I could deal with the result and still smile with the happy ending.