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#27221 James S Cassidy

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Posted 04 April 2019 - 09:01 PM

"Step 2. Win Sakura over."

 

I think Naruto kinda did: 

 

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 Sakura having a flashback at her window: 

 

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Then Sasuke looking jealous:

 

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Yeah well....Sadly, it doesn't mean much now.
 

 

The problem with every NS moment is , it's always happen when the other didn't notice OR there's an interruption. Like the bench scene , Sakura didn't know and the CPR , Naruto is unconscious. The hand feed after Naruto injured his hand , Sai and Kakashi interrupt it. As far as i remember the hug after pain defeated is the only legit that both party know and no interruption , but to be honest as sweet as it looks , i somehow feel like that is more like celebration than a romantic moment. I saw this sign .... danger sign back then when i watch the anime and the manga is still on kage summit arc. I wonder why their moment is always interrupt or one of them didn't notice/know ... it feel ... unfinished , as it seems like the author be like "JUST A LITTLE ... NO MORE" , maybe teasing is a correct word. I know now that's the way the author said "ENOUGH , THAT IS IT FOR NOW" , but why ??

I still see that hug as more romantic and legit than "Hinata's hand holding scene." I really want authors and writers to understand that real love isn't glorified and over dramatic. It is subtle and gradual.

I still can't fathom how SS is seen as romantic. In what instance has SS ever been romantic? It doesn't even have over glorified or over dramatic or even subtle moments. It just has "Sasuke and Sakura standing in the same room."


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Posted 04 April 2019 - 09:15 PM

And Sakura swooning over "Sasuke's Hotness". Thats it. :zaru: Which, by the way is not even special. Even Naruto does that, when you think about it. :lmao:


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Posted 04 April 2019 - 09:23 PM

you know it's kind of funny hearing Kishi say that Naruto is a shounen series which is why some things turned out the way they did in the series, and I'm just sitting here going like uh.. that didn't stop Togashi when it came to Yu Yu Hakusho or Hunter x Hunter, and even (this one will controversial author's life wise)  Watsuki the man who did Rurouni Kenshin it sure as hell didn't stop him from writing his characters a certain way in the shounen genre.   

 

Hell if you look at Attack on Titan (different magazine I know) that is a shounen series and there is so much that Isayama has done with his characters along with the story than the excuses that Kishi made with the "because it's a shounen" comment. 


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Posted 04 April 2019 - 09:43 PM

you know it's kind of funny hearing Kishi say that Naruto is a shounen series which is why some things turned out the way they did in the series, and I'm just sitting here going like uh.. that didn't stop Togashi when it came to Yu Yu Hakusho or Hunter x Hunter, and even (this one will controversial author's life wise)  Watsuki the man who did Rurouni Kenshin it sure as hell didn't stop him from writing his characters a certain way in the shounen genre.   

 

Hell if you look at Attack on Titan (different magazine I know) that is a shounen series and there is so much that Isayama has done with his characters along with the story than the excuses that Kishi made with the "because it's a shounen" comment. 

 

Probably shouldn't have written romance at if he is going by that excuse


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Posted 04 April 2019 - 11:24 PM

Touche. Shonen action/battle manga never touch on romance so he shouldn't even be writing it in if "it is a shonen manga" is his excuse 


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Posted 04 April 2019 - 11:43 PM

 Regarding that actually, there is something that I want to say About Naruto is a "shonen manga". If he was going for a "Shonen manga" concept he shouldn't have picked ninjas as a theme then, because Ninjas involve in spying, assassination, and other dark gritty pragmatic concepts that don't fit in "shonen manga" then and Kishi DEFINITELY did not focus on it. He only spoke of those things in an off handed manner and never delves into it. Oda at least has pirates behave like Pirates in One Piece with plundering, razing viillages to the ground and such but Kishi doesn't have his ninjas act like actual ninjas except for fodder characters that no one cares about. the point is, He was not committing to what he was writing one way or another. He wanted the story to be about ninjas but he also wanted the series to have "Dragon Ball-esque fights" with "Flashy bang bang" attacks and mountain destroying explosions that stealth and intel gathering go out the window. The main character develops an unhealthy "gay crush" on his rival to the point where he practically said EFF EVERYTHING ELSE, I must bring back my hot bastard rival BFF or my life has no meaning anymore *sob*. So I guess being Best friends is forcing someone to do what you want them to do and be what you want them to be. They have no say in the matter. "GREAT FRIENDSHIP" lessons for the kids, I tell you!!!  :roll:  :zaru: :banana:

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Posted 05 April 2019 - 03:27 PM

you know it's kind of funny hearing Kishi say that Naruto is a shounen series which is why some things turned out the way they did in the series, and I'm just sitting here going like uh.. that didn't stop Togashi when it came to Yu Yu Hakusho or Hunter x Hunter, and even (this one will controversial author's life wise)  Watsuki the man who did Rurouni Kenshin it sure as hell didn't stop him from writing his characters a certain way in the shounen genre.   

 

Hell if you look at Attack on Titan (different magazine I know) that is a shounen series and there is so much that Isayama has done with his characters along with the story than the excuses that Kishi made with the "because it's a shounen" comment. 

I really do hate that excuse.

"It is a shonen manga."

So? Just because it is not a romance manga does not mean you can't have a meaningful romance subplot. Look at movies like "The Hitman's Bodyguard" where it is an action comedy, but has a good romance aspect to it. This is just an excuse to cover their bad writing.

I hate this excuse so much. It does not give you a license to just write dribble on the page and expect people to accept it like it is legit, but then again seeing how some of the fans are basically like babies dangling keys of pairings in front of them...it is no wonder people thought this way.


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Posted 05 April 2019 - 09:22 PM

The other excuse, "It is not a romance manga" :lmao:   :roll:


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Posted 06 April 2019 - 05:34 AM

I hear bolt is at episode 100 and is getting the first 13 episode on DVD on the 9th in the United States.

I think it hit 100 last Sunday didn't it? It is kind of sad how little has actually happened in that time compared to Naruto. By this point Naruto was done with the Chunn exam, as well as the hunt for Tsunade arc, hitting its peak in popularity, was on it way to the Rescue Sasuke arc, and the end of part one of the story. Episode 100 of Naruto was the Lee & Guy episode which ends with Guy telling Lee that if the surgery to fix his body fails; he would kill himself as punishment to atone. Episode 100 for Boruto is some random episodes about in the current arc which is about...Jugo's curse seal or something.

 

The first 100 episodes of Boruto are either slice of life fluff, or nostalgia bait. The only difference between the first fifty episodes and the last fifty is the chunin exams happened around episode fifty. So, Bolt got the important lesson that he should have been worshiping his dad all along.


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Posted 06 April 2019 - 10:31 AM

Recently came across a reddit topic that was pretty funny.

 

It had an old picture from one of the Naruto OVAs where all characters were lined up, and the text claimed this was the line to sign a petition to save Naruto's legacy by cancelling Boruto.

 

The text went something like this:

Boruto: What's this?
"This is the line to sign the petition to cancel Boruto"

Boruto: I-Is that my dad in the back!?

 

The comments weren't speaking very favorably of Boruto either. One said he dropped Boruto after episode 25, and asked if it was worth getting back into. One responded "Only if you have ABSOLUTELY nothing else to do".

 

Yeah, it seems even pro-enders are getting fed up with arcs that lead to nowhere.

 

 I think I'd rather DO NOTHING.

 


The problem with every NS moment is , it's always happen when the other didn't notice OR there's an interruption. Like the bench scene , Sakura didn't know and the CPR , Naruto is unconscious. The hand feed after Naruto injured his hand , Sai and Kakashi interrupt it. As far as i remember the hug after pain defeated is the only legit that both party know and no interruption , but to be honest as sweet as it looks , i somehow feel like that is more like celebration than a romantic moment. I saw this sign .... danger sign back then when i watch the anime and the manga is still on kage summit arc. I wonder why their moment is always interrupt or one of them didn't notice/know ... it feel ... unfinished , as it seems like the author be like "JUST A LITTLE ... NO MORE" , maybe teasing is a correct word. I know now that's the way the author said "ENOUGH , THAT IS IT FOR NOW" , but why ??
 
The interruptions are typical romance writing fare, especially in anime or any other media where they tease at a couple but want nothing resolved. the reason for Sakura not knowing it was Naruto disguised as Sasuke is simple. that would have been too easy. That'd be no different than a tsundere or insecure type of girl (one way or another) straight up confessing to the guy they like and the guy DOES NOT misunderstand her or vice versa in another anime or manga series. The idea was to drag the romance on and on until it felt appropriate to resolve it like it  always has. As for Naruto not remembering Sakura saved his life. Well  that is true but the intention was still there right? the MC being on the verge of death and his/her love interest swoops in desperate to save him/her and/or is completely frantic about losing their "love".
 
Those are not danger signs, they are the typical type of romance writing you see all the time. Where the LACK OF JUSTICE to those scenes is done is that they were NEVER addressed nor had their purpose acknowledged or fulfilled because everyone just wanted the end of Naruto's era out of the way so they can focus on "Brato Trash's" time to shine, therefore they just rushed and resolved the two main couples they THOUGHT fans wanted to see and the rest was mix and match just for baby making to pop up peers for Brato trash's "social circle" so that the next gen project can get underway. That what is so infuriating.
 
The ending did not get the love and attention it deserves (Same as Bleach, actually), and Naruto's love for Sakura was resolved in a half assed, lazy, out of nowhere excuse where Sakura said "you only loved me because you did not want to lose to Sasuke-kun", and fans would think to themselves "okay sure, say that to the guy that suffered years of EMOTIONAL AGONY to make you happy, to the point where you found out, you broke down crying you hypocrite. (What was your rivalry with Ino then, huh?)

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Posted 06 April 2019 - 03:19 PM

The other excuse, "It is not a romance manga" :lmao:   :roll:

That's another one.

My response:
"THEN WHY HAVE PAIRINGS?! EVEN MORE, WHY HAVE A MOVIE FOCUSED SOLEY ON THAT TOO?!"

Seriously, the villain should have been named MacGuffin because that is basically the purpose of him. He was simply there to fall in love with Hinata to make Naruto jealous. Did we get an explanation why he fell in love with Hinata? No. Do we get an explanation for why Toneri was never around before? No. The dude was supposed to be the "guardian of Kaguya's body," and yet he didn't exist until after everything was said and done with NO explanation for anything. 

Where did he come from? Who is he? Why didn't he do his job? Why was he in love with Hinata at all? Where did his eyes go?
 
We got nothing. His ONLY purpose was to de-fibrillate the dead pairing of NH which was basically a dead body on puppet strings pretending to exist only to make this walking dead zombie with spray paint colors. It "looks" pretty I guess, but it isn't pretty which is why proenders fill in all the "lovey dovey" stuff. It stinks, it is a rotting corpse, but they want us to believe there is life in it.

Toneri's existence is an insult to writing ethics and is so obviously a MacGuffin that that is why he doesn't exist anywhere else nor is ever brought up again.

 


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Posted 06 April 2019 - 03:24 PM

 WHY HAVE A MOVIE FOCUSED SOLEY ON THAT TOO?!"

 

Because they needed some way for the nonsensical main couple to "make sense" when they only interact in the main story a handful of times. They also needed to make the girl who made actual sense into a scumbag by coming up with some absurd reasoning as to why Naruto liked her.



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Posted 06 April 2019 - 04:05 PM

I think it hit 100 last Sunday didn't it? It is kind of sad how little has actually happened in that time compared to Naruto. By this point Naruto was done with the Chunn exam, as well as the hunt for Tsunade arc, hitting its peak in popularity, was on it way to the Rescue Sasuke arc, and the end of part one of the story. Episode 100 of Naruto was the Lee & Guy episode which ends with Guy telling Lee that if the surgery to fix his body fails; he would kill himself as punishment to atone. Episode 100 for Boruto is some random episodes about in the current arc which is about...Jugo's curse seal or something.
 
The first 100 episodes of Boruto are either slice of life fluff, or nostalgia bait. The only difference between the first fifty episodes and the last fifty is the chunin exams happened around episode fifty. So, Bolt got the important lesson that he should have been worshiping his dad all along.

so basically jack kitten has happened in bolt in 100 episode where as 100 episode into part 1 a lot happened even in shippuden that far in stuff happened hidan and kukuzu happened which was a highlight.

  

That's another one.
My response:
"THEN WHY HAVE PAIRINGS?! EVEN MORE, WHY HAVE A MOVIE FOCUSED SOLEY ON THAT TOO?!"
Seriously, the villain is should have been named MacGuffin because that is basically the purpose of him. He was simply there to fall in love with Hinata to make Naruto jealous. Did we get an explanation why he fell in love with Hinata? No. Do we get an explanation for why Toneri was never around before? No. The dude was supposed to be the "guardian of Kaguya's body," and yet he didn't exist until after everything was said and done with NO explanation for anything. 
Where did he come from? Who is he? Why didn't he do his job? Why was he in love with Hinata at all? Where did his eyes go?
 
We got nothing. His ONLY purpose was to de-fibrillate the dead pairing of NH which was basically a dead body on puppet strings pretending to exist only to make this walking dead zombie with spray paint colors. It "looks" pretty I guess, but it isn't pretty which is why proenders fill in all the "lovey dovey" stuff. It stinks, it is a rotting corpse, but they want us to believe there is life in it.
Toneri's existence is an insult to writing ethics and is so obviously a MacGuffin that that is why he doesn't exist anywhere else nor is ever brought up again.

Exactly James why the hell should we even care about toneri dude means nothing in the story.

Edited by VanitasDS76491, 06 April 2019 - 04:06 PM.


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Posted 06 April 2019 - 04:49 PM

Exactly James why the hell should we even care about toneri dude means nothing in the story.

It leaves me wondering "what's the point?"

I mean, they say it was "to explain stuff," but the simple fact of its existence defeats itself. Why did NH need to be explained in the movie if it was so obvious in the manga? Why need Toneri to push the NH narrative? They wrote the movie BEFORE they actually wrote the ending and they still screwed it up.

I am beating a dead horse I know, but this line always sticks out
Sakura: "Naruto, you should ask if you can walk Hinata home"
Naruto: "Why?"

Really? You really had Naruto say that? The person who is supposedly so much in love with Hinata since the beginning "apparently" questions why he should be romantic to her? Let alone wondering why this scene exists in the first place if Naruto already acknowledged Hinata's love.

It is mind boggling how any person can see any of this as "a good thing."

I also hate the excuse:
"Naruto loves Hinata since the beginning, he just didn't know it yet."
Which is one of the most dumb things I have ever heard.

 


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Posted 06 April 2019 - 05:50 PM

That is generalizing SO MUCH we could turn that around and say" Well Sakura was always in love with Naruto then, she just didn't realize it yet because she's a typical tsundere biatch. (dohohoho, *sarcasm*)". 


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Posted 07 April 2019 - 02:15 AM

 

Out of all the original anime content (even though it's from revolution) is one of my favorite bits. 

 

 

It was just really cool seeing Team Kakashi before the entire Kanabi Bridge event taking place. 

 

 

That, and I also really liked Obito and Kushina's interaction they were really nice! 

 

Even Kushina's moment with Rin was cute too. 


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Posted 07 April 2019 - 08:10 AM

^^^^

That's disturbing ... The fact that Obito will murder Kushina and her husband latter.

 

I F-ing hate uchihas .... they are all need to be exterminated and burn in hell.

As much as i hate Danzou , he make one right decision which is to kill them all.


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Posted 07 April 2019 - 08:45 AM

Pffft, yeah that was suppose to be "cute"? It only makes Obito look like and even more of a ungrateful deranged lunatic


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Posted 07 April 2019 - 01:31 PM

^^^^

That's disturbing ... The fact that Obito will murder Kushina and her husband latter.

 

I F-ing hate uchihas .... they are all need to be exterminated and burn in hell.

As much as i hate Danzou , he make one right decision which is to kill them all.

While he did kill them, considering all that Obito went through, I found him to be kind of a tragic character. Way more than kittening Sasuke.



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Posted 07 April 2019 - 01:39 PM

While he did kill them, considering all that Obito went through, I found him to be kind of a tragic character. Way more than kittening Sasuke.

 

very much so! 

 

 

That and he was probably the only person in the Uchiha Clan we know who wasn't exactly gifted or talented like Itachi, Sasuke, or Madara in that respect. 


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